Vic Vance

[somerockindude]

Ok, look, this has been bugging me since I beat GTA: VCS on my PSP last nite. I lookd on my Vice City copy, startd a new game, and went through the intro. Did Vic Vance really die in the intro?

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Has been discussed many times, but I think that's a no and the brother was Pete.

[Smiley001]

Ok, look, this has been bugging me since I beat GTA: VCS on my PSP last nite. I lookd on my Vice City copy, startd a new game, and went through the intro. Did Vic Vance really die in the intro?

Whether it was Vic or Pete who died in the opening cut scene of Vice City is under speculation. R* likes to hint it was Vic but fans keep suggesting it was Pete, the third brother who suffered from asthma in VCS. But the ending cut scene in VCS really objects to the fact that it was Vic in the drug deal since he made it clear he didn't want to be connected to drugs anymore.

The final verdict is up to you...

[Tyla]

I think it was Vic. There was a time when I thought(or rather hoped) it was this Pete guy. But this is my theory. At the end of VCS, Lance and Vic head out of town with that 20 keys of Coke. They resurface in Vice City sometime in '86 to get rid of the Coke. Vic begins to set up a deal through Gonzales, the guy working as a mole for Ricardo Diaz and also Colonel Cortez' right hand man. Through Gonzales, Colonel Cortez becomes involved and begins talking to Ken Rosenberg who has contacts with Giorgio Forelli. Giorgio Forelli talks to Sonny Forelli about "Expanding down south", as Sonny says in Marco's Bistro "We've been talking about expanding down south right?". So Tommy Vercetti becomes involved as the Forelli's representative. "Harry and Lee" must have been involved as the communication between North and South. Then we get to Vice City "The Docks". Gonzales, being the rat in all of this, went to Diaz with an opportunity to make a lot of money AND get 20 keys of Cocaine. Diaz hires Leo Teal and his Hitmen and they ambush the deal, killing Vic, Harry and Lee and therefore Diaz gets the Coke and the Cash.

 

About Vic's appearance, the accent, I think its all down to R* not amagining having Vic as the front man for a Vice City Stories game at the time. As we see with Toni Cipriani, people can change in a small amount of time.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

I think it was Vic. There was a time when I thought(or rather hoped) it was this Pete guy. But this is my theory. At the end of VCS, Lance and Vic head out of town with that 20 keys of Coke. They resurface in Vice City sometime in '86 to get rid of the Coke. Vic begins to set up a deal through Gonzales, the guy working as a mole for Ricardo Diaz and also Colonel Cortez' right hand man. Through Gonzales, Colonel Cortez becomes involved and begins talking to Ken Rosenberg who has contacts with Giorgio Forelli. Giorgio Forelli talks to Sonny Forelli about "Expanding down south", as Sonny says in Marco's Bistro "We've been talking about expanding down south right?". So Tommy Vercetti becomes involved as the Forelli's representative. "Harry and Lee" must have been involved as the communication between North and South. Then we get to Vice City "The Docks". Gonzales, being the rat in all of this, went to Diaz with an opportunity to make a lot of money AND get 20 keys of Cocaine. Diaz hires Leo Teal and his Hitmen and they ambush the deal, killing Vic, Harry and Lee and therefore Diaz gets the Coke and the Cash.

 

About Vic's appearance, the accent, I think its all down to R* not amagining having Vic as the front man for a Vice City Stories game at the time. As we see with Toni Cipriani, people can change in a small amount of time.

Vic angrily said he DOESN'T want to get involved with the whole 20 keys in the end of VCS, I don't see how he agreed to leave town WITH them, he told Lance to get rid of them as soon as possible.

[Gojuggah]

Ok, look, this has been bugging me since I beat GTA: VCS on my PSP last nite. I lookd on my Vice City copy, startd a new game, and went through the intro. Did Vic Vance really die in the intro?

Whether it was Vic or Pete who died in the opening cut scene of Vice City is under speculation. R* likes to hint it was Vic but fans keep suggesting it was Pete, the third brother who suffered from asthma in VCS. But the ending cut scene in VCS really objects to the fact that it was Vic in the drug deal since he made it clear he didn't want to be connected to drugs anymore.

The final verdict is up to you...

I'm sure that Pete was killed bacause in vice city opening the brother that was killed had a latin accent,and vic doesn't have a latin accent so it was pete that was killed.

[Tyla]

And we all know Lance isn't known for his trustworthyness. "I got hold of 20 keys man. We sit on it, its hidden, out of town". Ok fair enough, Vic says he isn't interested. Two years down the line and Lance still has the 20 keys, he could have persauded Vic. Lance is the sort of person who would bring things up like "If we sold that Coke, think of the medical care we could get for Pete". From the other perspective, Lance could have well gotten the sick Pete to go to the deal. Or Lance could have just arranged a deal anyway, and at the last moment springs it on Vic. Vic proberly knows if the Forelli's turn up wanting their 20 keys and Lance dosen't show, the Forelli's will have Lance's head on a stick, so Vic agrees to it. These are all "What if's".

[Flesh-n-Bone]

In VCS Vic kills quite a few Forelli's when saving Phil Collins.

[Tyla]

Phil Collins isn't Lance though. Phil Collins might be a rock star, but to Vic, Lance is more important. If Phil got killed, Vic wouldn't give half as much of a damn about it as he would if Lance were to be killed. Lance wasen't at harm when Vic was out killing Forelli's to save Barry and Phil from death, but if Lance were to walk into a Coke Deal worth millions which involves the strongest mob outfit in the North, and "The Harwood Butcher", i'm sure Vic would be concerned for his brothers safety and play the Big Brother role.

[MC.]

Pete Vance dead and Victor Vance alive ftw

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Pete Vance dead and Victor Vance alive ftw

For once somebody agrees with me lol...

 

I have thought for sooo long about making a video as to why I believe Vic is alive and Pete died.

[Playstation_Loyalist]

Rockstar suggested that Vic was the one who died in Vice City. We could NOT change the fact. So what if Vic had an accent in Vice City? Look at Toni Cipriani. Would you recognize him in 2001 if you played LCS first, or if you're a new guy in the GTA world?

 

Victor Vance is the type of person which is too much weak and prone in terms of being convinced. In Vice City Stories, the missions Lance Vance gave went through a series of debates and persuasion. Vic doesn't want to hold the 20-keys. But look at Lance. That prick is good at convincing, adding to the fact that Vic is Lance's older brother. And the theory Tyla said had a good sense. And Rockstar. They MADE the game. So we fans can't change the FINISHED game. We have NO rights. We are only FANS, F-A-N-S. We are not dictators. We don't own Rockstar. We just anticipate THEIR OWN work. If you want, create your god-damned game and get sued for copyright violations.

 

Who is Pete? Who the f*ck is Pete? He is just a MENTIONED character in Vice City Stories. He was just added to add some more information about Vic and Lance. Just to add some reason why Vic joined the army in 1984. What? Would he join for fun? That is a brainless idea from some imbeciles out there.

 

So, NO. It's Victor Vance who died in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. Rockstar confirmed it. So you guys CAN NOT change it. Damn.

Edited January 6, 2009 by Playstation_Loyalist

[Flesh-n-Bone]

So, NO. It's Victor Vance who died in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. Rockstar confirmed it. So you guys CAN NOT change it. Damn.

Show me where you got that from, otherwise I'm not going to believe how much you're going to rant about it. Don't show me that stupid picture taken with Internet Explorer from the Vice City web because it doesn't prov sh*t.

 

Toni Cipriani? Yeah well... in LCS they came up with reasons why he would change so much in three years (being called thin, and all kinds by his mum which would force him with her, kind of.)

 

With VCS we get more reasons as to why it is NOT Vic in VC. So what if Pete is just a mentioned character? Come on, it's obvious why they just made up a third brother, to show that the Vance you will play as did not die in VC.

 

Stop saying unconfirmed things, and then say R* has done it all. They never said ANYTHING about the VC scene, they just simply released VCS with an unknown brother of Lance, known as Vic and then left a bunch of excuses for who we should believe died in VC.

[Playstation_Loyalist]

So, NO. It's Victor Vance who died in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. Rockstar confirmed it. So you guys CAN NOT change it. Damn.

Show me where you got that from, otherwise I'm not going to believe how much you're going to rant about it. Don't show me that stupid picture taken with Internet Explorer from the Vice City web because it doesn't prov sh*t.

 

Toni Cipriani? Yeah well... in LCS they came up with reasons why he would change so much in three years (being called thin, and all kinds by his mum which would force him with her, kind of.)

 

With VCS we get more reasons as to why it is NOT Vic in VC. So what if Pete is just a mentioned character? Come on, it's obvious why they just made up a third brother, to show that the Vance you will play as did not die in VC.

 

Stop saying unconfirmed things, and then say R* has done it all. They never said ANYTHING about the VC scene, they just simply released VCS with an unknown brother of Lance, known as Vic and then left a bunch of excuses for who we should believe died in VC.

FYI, I don't IE. That thing sucked. Firefox FTW.

 

OT: What is the purpose of Rockstar having a site for information about Vice City?

 

Then why did Toni aged SO much in LCS? He had this wrinkles scattered along his face. And that white hair. lol.

 

Clicky.

 

And you just answered your own question in the last paragraph. That is self-explanatory.

 

Off to bed. Hope you have a good nightmare..err...I mean a good dream about Vic getting alive.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Stop using gta wikia as your source. It's just a random site where random people write stuff. Don't show that as your source, it's just as bad as using fansites and wikipedia to prove your point. Happy sleeping, you haven't proved a crap with your post. I am also there you'll recognize me as (GTA4PC), yeah I know what a stupid username but back then I really wanted to play GTA4 on PC even though I don't even have it now.

 

And Toni has aged because he has been fatter, you are intelligent enough to realize it or?

 

I have at least explained my beliefs with words and not used fansites and such to prove my point. ROCKSTAR NEVER SAID A WORD WHETHER IT WAS VIC OR PETE, it's left to us F-A-N-S to speculate and give our view. I believe it's Pete, you believe it's Vic, enough said.

 

 

Truth.

 

 

 

EDIT: OK, here are my proofs as to why I believe Vic didn't die in the VC intro...

 

 

1. Vic in VCS didn't have an accent and spoke English in a proper American way.

- Yes that's one of the main reasons we believe Pete died instead, there is no reason Vic would change his way of speaking like that.

 

2. The guy in VC sounded like he had suffered from asthma or some sickness.

- That's the case with Pete, in the end of VCS Vic sends some money to him and the bills are paid so he gets better.

 

3. The appearance between Vic and the VC brother changes a lot.

- Not only clothes, but the eyes and the head size have suddenly changed? I know weight, hair and stuff can change in two years but never knew that could happen to eyes and size of head.

 

4. Vic said he was out by the end of VCS.

- True, he said there's no way he's dealing anymore because he's got all he was out for when he was in the army but instead with the empire. He leaves it behind and lays low. Lance is good at convincing? But what excuses are there when Vic has no longer anything to worry about? At first we could understand he needed the money and all, but now he's sent the needed money to Pete and it's done.

 

5. Lance after being ignored by Vic could have asked Pete to team up in Vice City and do the drug deal.

- Lance was the pilot, in VCS Vic told him to never ever drive again after "Jive Drive", plus in the deals in VCS it was always Lance who traded with the buyers/dealers and Vic was only there to save him from trouble. In VC it's the complete opposite?

 

 

There are more and more I can add-on but for now it's enough.

Edited January 6, 2009 by Flesh-n-Bone

[Berkley]

I think it was Pete too, however. Did you see how he walked to the meet out of the chopper ? I assume he got out of hospital, and still was ill abit.

[somerockindude]

AND you have to remember that Vic wants to leave town @ the end of VCS. He also isn't anywhere near Haitian so ya.

[Rucke]

Stop using gta wikia as your source. It's just a random site where random people write stuff. Don't show that as your source, it's just as bad as using fansites and wikipedia to prove your point. Happy sleeping, you haven't proved a crap with your post. I am also there you'll recognize me as (GTA4PC), yeah I know what a stupid username but back then I really wanted to play GTA4 on PC even though I don't even have it now.

 

And Toni has aged because he has been fatter, you are intelligent enough to realize it or?

 

I have at least explained my beliefs with words and not used fansites and such to prove my point. ROCKSTAR NEVER SAID A WORD WHETHER IT WAS VIC OR PETE, it's left to us F-A-N-S to speculate and give our view. I believe it's Pete, you believe it's Vic, enough said.

 

 

Truth.

 

 

 

EDIT: OK, here are my proofs as to why I believe Vic didn't die in the VC intro...

 

 

1. Vic in VCS didn't have an accent and spoke English in a proper American way.

- Yes that's one of the main reasons we believe Pete died instead, there is no reason Vic would change his way of speaking like that.

 

2. The guy in VC sounded like he had suffered from asthma or some sickness.

- That's the case with Pete, in the end of VCS Vic sends some money to him and the bills are paid so he gets better.

 

3. The appearance between Vic and the VC brother changes a lot.

- Not only clothes, but the eyes and the head size have suddenly changed? I know weight, hair and stuff can change in two years but never knew that could happen to eyes and size of head.

 

4. Vic said he was out by the end of VCS.

- True, he said there's no way he's dealing anymore because he's got all he was out for when he was in the army but instead with the empire. He leaves it behind and lays low. Lance is good at convincing? But what excuses are there when Vic has no longer anything to worry about? At first we could understand he needed the money and all, but now he's sent the needed money to Pete and it's done.

 

5. Lance after being ignored by Vic could have asked Pete to team up in Vice City and do the drug deal.

- Lance was the pilot, in VCS Vic told him to never ever drive again after "Jive Drive", plus in the deals in VCS it was always Lance who traded with the buyers/dealers and Vic was only there to save him from trouble. In VC it's the complete opposite?

 

 

There are more and more I can add-on but for now it's enough.

Damn I would like that shirt on Vic in VCS.

[ChillyPhilly]

This debate has always intrigued me, right from the start.

 

 

And we all know Lance isn't known for his trustworthiness. "I got hold of 20 keys man. We sit on it, its hidden, out of town". Ok fair enough, Vic says he isn't interested. Two years down the line and Lance still has the 20 keys, he could have persuaded Vic. Lance is the sort of person who would bring things up like "If we sold that Coke, think of the medical care we could get for Pete". From the other perspective, Lance could have well gotten the sick Pete to go to the deal. Or Lance could have just arranged a deal anyway, and at the last moment springs it on Vic. Vic probably knows if the Forellis turn up wanting their 20 keys and Lance doesn't show, the Forellis will have Lance's head on a stick, so Vic agrees to it. These are all "What ifs".

 

Lance never says exactly whom was killed in VC, just 'one of his brothers'; when you rescue him from the Little Haiti Junk Yard, during the mission Death Row, he says, 'He killed my brother, what do you expect me to do, mow his lawns?'

At the very very start of VC, when Tommy is picked up by Ken Rosenberg at the northern airport terminal, he says,'They're brothers. One does the flying and the other does the dealing. [or operates the business (or something.)]' I pick this up because there's actually a bit of flesh to the story behind the deal from this, really. We learn some of it from VCS, and how it is pulled off we find out in VC. Perhaps this suggests that their work has gained something of a reputation, and therefore it is slightly unlikely that they would have made a last minute connection before deciding to do the deal.

 

Rosenberg also goes on to say later on, 'I helped set up this deal, right away from Vice City's established thugs.' This does not say as much as the previous quote, but it does tell us for sure that Diaz found out about the deal, rather than being told of it by a character in the storyline.

 

So is Pete dead? Or is Victor dead? We know who for certain is: Lance.

 

What we cannot put down as certain is the background of the brother who died in VC. By that I mean, we cannot simply say it is someone else other than Vic because of the differences in the accent; hell, Toni Cipriani had two different voice actors.

 

Besides, Vic was probably tired of Lance's scheming and selfish ways of life and decided to break off and leave Vice City.

 

When Vic said at the end of VCS that he was gonna head out of town, it certainly seems he did because by 1986 Ricardo Diaz had become known as Mr. Coke, that is, the cocaine kingpin of Vice City. Thus, he must have taken over at least part of Vic's empire after he left Vice City.

 

Other points to consider, taken from a debate on this topic I had on the IMDb VCS message board:

• Vic doesn't sound like, act like and doesn't look like the brother who died at the start of VC (which has already been said previously many times)...so why would Rockstar purposely make him completely different than he is in VCS...it is not like they were forced to make him the main character in VCS...it could have easily been someone else.
• Vic promised to never get into the drug game again...and I'm sure he had enough money to be set for a while after he left Vice City
• Why do you think Rockstar decided to mention another brother of all a sudden for the first time in VCS...that can't be just a coincidence
• In VCS Vic mentions their father was from the Dominican Republic...Rockstar probably purposely did that to cover up for the Latin accent the dude had in VC...Vic or Lance didn't have any accent..but Pete could've just been still living in DR or raised most of his life there...while Vic and Lance were raised in America

Here is a whole post:

Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's Vic that dies at the beginning of VC. For it to be Pete just seems to be stretching it a bit much, IMO. The difference in appearance and accent between Vic in VC and VCS could be explained by a simple ret-con on Rockstar's part. They obviously weren't planning anything like VCS at the time of VC's development, and the version of Vic we saw in VC really wouldn't be appealing enough aesthetically to be a main character.

 

I also find it difficult to believe that sickly brother Pete gets his medical treatments and then up and decides to get involved in large-scale cocaine deals with his brother in a different country. We weren't given any indication that he's the sort of person to do that.

 

And finally, if it's Pete at the beginning of VC, then what's the point of exploring Vic's character in VCS while Pete is an off-screen presence? I mean, you had Toni in GTA III and then he was the main character of LCS. If it's not Vic that dies in VC, then VCS is kind of pointless in going into depth about Vic, a character we've never even seen before.

 

I just think the simplest answer is that it's Vic who died in VC, we saw that he was willing to do things he was opposed to for his family and how Lance specifically managed to rope him into reckless schemes. I think it was likely this that led him to participate in the coke deal and eventually get him killed.

 

So I think that's enough for one post...

 

[Flesh-n-Bone]

In LCS they went with the backstory of a character in the game (a major one), with VCS they might have made it to show what the city was like before Tommy took over.

[GTAquests]

This is a bit stupid but

 

Maybe vic got beaten up in a previous deal in those 2 years so in the VC Start Deal he looks all diffrent because he was almost bashed to death?

 

 

 

[chngdman]

Let me clear it up, finally, for all of us

 

The man who gets shot in the drug deal is a random cuban (or maybe Cuban Pete? )

 

And here is Vic, dead, in the scene just before that deal:

 

Edited February 25, 2009 by chngdman

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Vic has absolutely nothing with Vice City (1986) to do. He decided to stop the criminal empire by the end of VCS, and done... Lance had to get someone else for backup and he choose Pete..

[chngdman]

 

Vic has absolutely nothing with Vice City (1986) to do. He decided to stop the criminal empire by the end of VCS, and done... Lance had to get someone else for backup and he choose Pete..

You....

 

I JUST posted a picture of Vic Vance dead, just above your post. He is dead. Right there. Hanging on a meat hook. Best of both worlds: Vic actually was dead in VC1 beginning, and it wasn't the guy who everyone thought it was. Win/Win.

 

That pic is Victor Vance. You are lying if you say it isn't.

[Flesh-n-Bone]

How is it Vic Vance? Do you have proof, is it another rumor you have come up with? Why would he go to Liberty City and why would the Forelli's do that to him? Really... think a bit more before publishing your theories. Besides was there a need of posting the same picture three times?

[chngdman]

No, not a theory. Mail Rockstar. They'll probably be happy

 

And I was wrong in the other topic.

 

This is basically how it is:

 

Vic rises to power in VCS ---> Between then, he begins planning to take over Diaz's place (this is one reason why lance wants diaz life, not just business) --> He visits Mafia in NYC who know he is about to become the big shot --> Whatever happens, whether it is disagreement or just a take over, Vic is hung on that hook (I know it is him [for a fact]) and now Sonny see's his chance --> Sonny decides they need to send someone down there, Tommy is the guy for the job and expendible enough to lose "just in case" ---> Tommy goes to Miami and when he meets vic, it is because vic wants diaz, and he knows who Tommy is replacing - his own brother - and who tommy works for - his brother's murderers. By the end, you understand a lot more about lance now, and it really blew my mind

 

The actual, and literal, details might be off, but that has to be it, that finally connects the intro to VC to the end of VCS.

 

WHY did I think it so important? Because it was allllll the talk I had read in the past (actually, it was youtube videos mostly) about Vic being the cuban guy (Cuban Pete). That always confused me, but I had to accept it because hey, lance's brother IS dead, he WAS a boss type, the guy who dies at that coke deal IS basically the role that tommy becomes (lance flies him on chopper. Not deep, I know ) but then I started the game up last night and lo and behold, there he is, there is vic. And not "that could be vic but it doesn't look like him" but rather, that is "vic, and it looks exactly like him, and it might even be a different color scheme on an outfit I wore in VCS..."

 

See why it bugged me out now? lol. So cool. Someone should really send mails, I didn't get one back yet and I want them to confirm this to me...

Edited February 25, 2009 by chngdman

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Let me see...

 

True ---> Vic never had any plans of wiping out Diaz, if anything he wiped out the Mendez's and let Diaz run the town (Lance wants Diaz dead because he killed his brother) ---> Why would even care about the mafia if he already said he was out ---> By that time Vic already gave up his businesses and left down.... and so it goes on.

 

Please, stick to one topic?

 

EDIT: I suggest you to either play VCS from the beginning again and pay attention to Vic as a whole specially his face and outfits, then play VC and ask yourself what question do the two have?

 

And no Vic doesn't have any outfit in a different color or anything like the one that "texture-less face". Also another question, what is the e-mail to R* games? I want to ask them the question as a whole and about Vic's fate. So if you can give me the email I might have easier believing you...

Edited February 25, 2009 by Flesh-n-Bone

[chngdman]

Yea, you are right about Diaz, but that is Vic. It makes more sense that way and I don't have to stretch my mind around it. I bet then, those details I had said are probably wrong, are replaced with your logic:

 

Maybe Vic was told in a meeting with Sonny to take over Diaz, and he wouldn't, "hey man, that guy might be such and such, but I'm out of the game, I'm just the boss of my own family now". Then they killed him.

 

Vic being dead is the reason the mob sends Tommy out there. That is an important thing to remember because that means Vic was dead already, and Tommy wasn't supposed to die - but he was picked because if he did die, he wouldn't be missed - so the deal wasn't setup to kill him, it was to kill the cuban guy.

 

The Cuban dude must be Diaz's boy. And that ties even more of the two stories together and that makes what you said make sense even more except the very last part, because vic didn't leave town (unless he moved to liberty) and def didn't leave 'the game'. Because he's dead in a mafia's freezer as we begin Vice City, and he's got to be there for a reason.

 

One VERY important thing we should all begin to realize is that not only in the movies is EVERY thing you see on the screen carefully planned, but that is especially true for video games (because they are harder and take much longer to make than the 30 second final product video)

 

Basically, the "dead body in the meat freezer" would not be the black dude with the pimp suit, at the very moment the people we are seeing are talking about sending out someone to take over miami, it wouldn't be that, if it wasn't Vic Vance. So it is him, that is the dead body of Vic Vance. They killed him in a plan to take over Miami. And that's what VC was all about anyway was the italian influence coming back over the cuban influence again in the 80s. Wow. So yuor contradictions to my Diaz/Vic/mafia were right, but they also show even more depth and back story in that intro.

 

Also, the intro to VC can be looked at as a "previously on..." that came out years before the prequel. That's awesome.

 

I did have it a little off though, and maybe you will still have more to point out, I am fuzzy on the ending of VCS, was there anything else that hinted what was next in the end of VCS? Yes, we'll keep it to one topic. can you link those others/this to those?

 

edit: That Is Vic Vance. And his face has texture, eyes, mustache, shadows... but keep going, this isn't "case closed" yet. because there is probably so much more in these first few scenes than we realize...

Edited February 25, 2009 by chngdman

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Sorry to say I'm not replying with a mega reply, but all of these things you say are just rumors and made up theories with a bunch of "maybe this happened" and "maybe that happened". Who got Vic and Sonny together for a start? No one, Vic already said he was out by the end of VCS and being able to free roam in the streets doesn't mean he still was in the cocaine game (there's no point in a game if you can't continue playing after the storyline, bear that in mind...)

 

Besides, the Forelli's are nothing special to do that to Vic, I control him and no one can mess with him!!! what makes you think Vic would go unarmed without bodyguards and all the stuff he had to a meeting that hasn't even happened. And the face doesn't look like Vic at all, honestly, it's just a plain black face with low-quality textures and an eye.

 

About the ending of VCS. Well, Vic got his revenge on his enemy(ies) and dropped the pistol off his hands, meaning he was no longer into fighting and being armed with guns. Then Lance arrives in a helicopter supposedly helping, however after a short talk, Lance offers Vic 20kg cocaine for a later deal and Vic refuses his interests saying he doesn't want to deal drugs anymore and he is going to leave town (not in-game).

[chngdman]

please read my posts and think them over before you respond, you will understand why. The whole things, not just little bits you scan since my posts are "so long", in so few of your words. Don't take offense, this post to you is about being thickheaded, not about being a dick. I think you're not seeing how cool that intro scene really is.

 

No, you are giving me support to my "theory" with each thing you say. With each assumption I make about the story, you correct one tiny aspect of it, and make me realize where it fits in there now too.

 

You did not even read my entire post to realize you are helping me because you don't realize that in itself. It is also evident by your calling those tiny little paragraphs of mine a big post, in so few words. That is nothing, and it goes to show...

 

Be selective all you want. I am telling you, point blank, you are wrong about this not being Vic, and I am wrong about some of the details that support it - ALL THE WHILE - you are f*cking handing me even more supporting evidence by clearing up the story a bit more than I already have it.

 

Thus, since you are literally Dense and you really are only ever noticed by me when I see you disagreeing with me (which has been often enough on this same two games), your replies to me will from now on be ignored unless they come with sense and you stop f*cking denying that That Is Vic f*cking Vance On The Meat Hook, NOT the f*cking 'Cuban Pete' Who Gets Killed I know for a f*cking Fact, stop Doubting THAT detail and lets start appreciating the better parts of the damn games, they were made to convey something. wtf.

 

Jesus, did your parents force you to have a N64 when you were a kid or something? You're not being a dick or anything, but you are being soooo dense right now when you are even proving it and I'm so glad you are telling me these details, but you are not seeing how awesome that is. That is some never before seen stuff right there in video games AND other mediums. Dude, this is and amazing discovery.

 

And EVERYONE who thinks Vic was 'Cuban Pete' need to be told about it, because I f*cking guarantee THEY will realize it, while you who aleady know it isn't Cuban Pete will not realize that "Yes, it is NOT cuban pete, but Chngdmans pic IS vic vance"

but I am actually happy you dont realize it because now you are helping me and giving me even more understanding of the story and why that pic is indeed vic vance and fixing my misconceptions with the rest of the story at the same time.

 

Edited February 25, 2009 by chngdman