R* should keep Toronto away from porting! MANIFEST

[v00d00m4n]

Well, to be honest most of us seen how good was GTA 4 done for consoles by Rockstar North, and we all can see how poor is PC version that wasnt created by Rockstar North....

 

More then 50 guys (plus guys who decide to free R* North from PC porting) responsible for lot of problems of GTA 4 for pc...

 

CAN YOU COUNT SUCKERS??? CAN YOU DIG IT? I SAID CAN U DIG IT???

 

The problem of GTA 4 PC is SLOW AND NOT SO WELL SKILLED ROCKSTAR TORONTO TEAM WHICH FAILED TO FINISH PORTING AND OPTIMIZATION 4 TIMES IN A ROW BEFORE @MILESTONE@ aka SCHEDULED FINISH\RELEASE DATE.

 

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1st time they failed to finish Bully SE for 360 before scheduled time and it was released slow and buggy, then patched a bit.

 

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2nd time they did the same with Bully SE for PC and again unfinished and unoptimized port was released NOT PATCHED YET!

 

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3rd time they failed to finish GTA 4 PC port before November of 2008 as originally planed, and game was delayed until December for that reason

 

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4th time they failed again to finish GTA 4 PC port even week before December, and to fit in Christmas sales GTA 4 was forced to go on shelves in that unfinished unoptimized almost beta state as it was in the end of November, delay really didnt helped slow Toronto to get their job finished rite in time.

 

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U c guys?

 

R* TORONTO CANNOT DO THEIR JOB WELL IN TIME FRAME THEY LIMITED BY R* and Take two, LOOKS LIKE TORONTO CODERS ARE NOT SKILLED ENOUGH TO DO THE JOB FAST AND CAREFUL, AND PROBABLY TEAM HAVE BAD MANAGEMENT AND CANNOT SET WORK PRIORITY WELL (For example i believe that POOR IN-GAME VIDEO EDITOR was MAJOR WASTE OF TIME THAT THEY SHOULD BETTER USE FOR CORE GAME CODING AND OPTIMIZATION, ), ALSO OTHER REASON - THERE WAS TOO MUCH OF PROJECTS FOR ONE SMALL NOT SKILLED ENOUGH TEAM of R* TORONTO (WHICH BOTH PROBLEM OF R* NYC and T2 who game them so many projects to deal with and so little time, and Not really enough of experience and skills of TORONTO to do such hard job ).

 

4 TIMES IN ROW!! ITS A BAD TENDENCY THAT SHOW THAT THEY AINT GOOD FOR THIS JOB AND R* NYC HEADQUARTER GUYS SHOULD REALLY THINK BETTER BEFORE GIVING OUT PORT OF GTA 4 TO GUYS THAT JUST DID 1 BUT GOOD GAME IN THEIR LIFE - THE WARRIORS.

 

Its all reminds me how UBISOFT SHANGHAI SCREWED UP SPLINTER CELL DOUBLE AGENT, AND THIS FINISHED WITH LOT OF MANIFESTATIONS LIKE "KEEP SHANGHAI AWAY FROM SPLINTER CELL, TRUE SPLINTER CELL ONLY FROM UBISOFT MONTREAL",

 

So to finish this whole mess i believe we better start the same manifistation against Toronto ports, because all their ports are really unfinished and unoptimized and buggy !

if u guys played Max Payne 1 and 2 on PS2, this not really good port was also created by toronto.

 

Dont get me wrong! I do not hate Toronto, they did @The Warriors@ game that i really love (that where i get this "CAN U DIG IT" from), but making 1 game isnt enough to give em lot of experience and making their own game isnt the same as making ports of other games, so for good TORONTO SHOULD NEVER PORT ANY GAME/!!!

 

For example another team - ROCKSTAR LEEDS also making almost all the time just ports for handheld systems (ALL GTA and MC for PSP and Chinatown wars for DS), but they doing their job really well, not bad like TORONTO do!

 

JOIN THE MANIFEST TO SHOW ROCKSTAR THEIR MAIN FAULT ABOUT GTA 4 and BULLY - HUGE MISTAKE TO GIVE THIS JOB TO TORRONTO !!

 

TORONTO PORTS NO PASARAN!!!))

Edited January 1, 2009 by Voodooman

[[RM]]

I agree, That is BS, and no excuses! Anyway, what exactly do you want us to do?

Brat po neshyast'yu;)

[nick18]

inb4 lock

 

also +1

[v00d00m4n]

Well, i want peoples who agree with that point to post some words about it here, also i want other peoples who dont know that truth about Toronto and why PC version of GTA 4 is so bad to know the real reasons of this,

 

As more attention this tread will have as more chances that in future R* will do better decisions and will not give their main IP to some low skilled small team WHICH ALREADY SCREWED UP THEIR PORTS BEFORE!

[nick18]

Well, i want peoples who agree with that point to post some words about it here, also i want other peoples who dont know that truth about Toronto and why PC version of GTA 4 is so bad to know the real reasons of this,

 

As more attention this tread will have as more chances that in future R* will do better decisions and will not give their main IP to some low skilled small team WHICH ALREADY SCREWED UP THEIR PORTS BEFORE!

Trust me dude, No matter how much sense you make there will always be the idiots around to say you are wrong, and lock your thread, And rockstar would never read this nor would they care, its just the cycle of things and it will keep going on, We are nothing but livestock to them. Get over it, The only people who will get this game fixed is US, That is how it has always been since gta 3 to now, They don't give a sh*t about us until they have to, So give them a reason to start caring, Bitching an moaning is not going to do sh*t, Boycott them, Pirate all of there software, Show them that we can hit back as well, We are not just random voices complaining in the wind, Most of us are computer programmers and some of us even work on games and we as well don't expect to get treated like sh*t especially from someone like rockstar who is supposedly in touch with there fans when its the complete opposite, Its like they are gods that we just imagine in our minds but in reality they don't even exists they are all sitting in there beach front resorts sipping on mythais laughing about people not being able to run there games on the best rigs out.

[Killuminati91]

just fire everyone at R* torronto

[CharmingCharlie]

Hm so many inaccuracies I don't know where to begin.

 

 

Well, to be honest most of us seen how good was GTA 4 done for consoles by Rockstar North, and we all can see how poor is PC version that wasnt created by Rockstar North....

Has it occurred to you that maybe Rockstar North didn't want anything to do with the PC version ? Especially considering everyone and their dog stole the last PC game they did. I really can't understand why people think Rockstar North are the knights in shining armour here. Let's look at the console version it has it's share of problems in fact things were so bad Rockstar North had to get MS and Sony engineers in to get the game working on the respective consoles. The game works well on the consoles NOT because of Rockstar North but because they were bailed out by more competent programmers from MS and Sony.

 

Now lets look at the last game Rockstar North did on the PC, which was of course GTA SA. The recommended specs for GTA SA was a Pentium 4 with 384mbs of system ram and 128mbs of video ram. So basically Rockstar took a console game that could run on a 300mhz processor and just 32mbs of ram and ported it so efficiently that it needed a processor 3 - 4 times more powerful and TEN times more ram. Trust me Rockstar North would have made an even bigger balls up of the GTA 4 port.

 

 

1st time they failed to finish Bully SE for 360 before scheduled time and it was released slow and buggy, then patched a bit.

I would like to see some proof please that Rockstar Toronto did the port for the 360 version, last I heard it was Rockstar VANCOUVER that handled the ports of Bully.

 

 

2nd time they did the same with Bully SE for PC and again unfinished and unoptimized port was released NOT PATCHED YET!

Again PROOF please that Rockstar Toronto did Bully for the PC because all I am seeing is Rockstar Vancouver

 

 

3rd time they failed to finish GTA 4 PC port before November of 2008 as originally planed, and game was delayed until December for that reason

Erm so ? Rockstar North missed their deadline by 6 months yet you seem to be under the impression they would work miracles for the PC.

 

 

4th time they failed again to finish GTA 4 PC port even week before December, and to fit in Christmas sales GTA 4 was forced to go on shelves in that unfinished unoptimized almost beta state as it was in the end of November, delay really didnt helped slow Toronto to get their job finished rite in time.

Your opinion I don't think the game is any rougher around the edges than any other game I have played this year.

 

I would reply to the rest but it is just another childish rant in caps too.

[nick18]

Hm so many inaccuracies I don't know where to begin.

 

 

Well, to be honest most of us seen how good was GTA 4 done for consoles by Rockstar North, and we all can see how poor is PC version that wasnt created by Rockstar North....

Has it occurred to you that maybe Rockstar North didn't want anything to do with the PC version ? Especially considering everyone and their dog stole the last PC game they did. I really can't understand why people think Rockstar North are the knights in shining armour here. Let's look at the console version it has it's share of problems in fact things were so bad Rockstar North had to get MS and Sony engineers in to get the game working on the respective consoles. The game works well on the consoles NOT because of Rockstar North but because they were bailed out by more competent programmers from MS and Sony.

 

Now lets look at the last game Rockstar North did on the PC, which was of course GTA SA. The recommended specs for GTA SA was a Pentium 4 with 384mbs of system ram and 128mbs of video ram. So basically Rockstar took a console game that could run on a 300mhz processor and just 32mbs of ram and ported it so efficiently that it needed a processor 3 - 4 times more powerful and TEN times more ram. Trust me Rockstar North would have made an even bigger balls up of the GTA 4 port.

 

 

1st time they failed to finish Bully SE for 360 before scheduled time and it was released slow and buggy, then patched a bit.

I would like to see some proof please that Rockstar Toronto did the port for the 360 version, last I heard it was Rockstar VANCOUVER that handled the ports of Bully.

 

 

2nd time they did the same with Bully SE for PC and again unfinished and unoptimized port was released NOT PATCHED YET!

Again PROOF please that Rockstar Toronto did Bully for the PC because all I am seeing is Rockstar Vancouver

 

 

3rd time they failed to finish GTA 4 PC port before November of 2008 as originally planed, and game was delayed until December for that reason

Erm so ? Rockstar North missed their deadline by 6 months yet you seem to be under the impression they would work miracles for the PC.

 

 

4th time they failed again to finish GTA 4 PC port even week before December, and to fit in Christmas sales GTA 4 was forced to go on shelves in that unfinished unoptimized almost beta state as it was in the end of November, delay really didnt helped slow Toronto to get their job finished rite in time.

Your opinion I don't think the game is any rougher around the edges than any other game I have played this year.

 

I would reply to the rest but it is just another childish rant in caps too.

And that is your biased opinion another baseless post by yours truly.

[chngdman]

Bully ran fine for me. So does GTA IV. I have minimum specs. GTA IV will continue to get patches and be worked on and the boxed-version is the calm before the storm in this case, as this game will come with more than just bugfixes. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the consoles suffered some of the same problems this "port" does.

 

Running this game right is going to come down to a machine by machine basis. Timings and bios settings galore before you can run This Game on Current machines. Later on, sure, with "future PCs" you can run this game fine on unoptimized bios that we all think must not matter if it actually booted, and setting on Auto for this or that "is ok".

 

Really. Because the game does need some work to make it faster at some points, but the same could have been said bout san andreas, and low and behold, go run it. Runs like a dream These Days doesn't it? But how did it run back then? How many did the same thing over and over again?

 

because, really, I don't want to make anyone running quad and dual 4870s to be made angry, but I have minimum specs considering my 3850 is the AGP one, for what its worth, and my processor is dual core and 1.86ghz, and I play this game at 1680 and it only slows down when there is a lot going on on-screen and has way less pop-in than I saw in all the console videos.

 

And the console versions don't look nearly as good as this one does because you can turn on the blur when you want it and turn it off when you are doing other things and it makes a huge world of difference both on and off in different scenarios of game play.

 

Especially when and if you start to lag out, which that aspect of it, I agree, there has to be something that can be done to speed things up without sacrificing functionality. I have also learned the game is very particular about your hardware and gfx settings.

[v00d00m4n]

NIck18 I got your point, and its true in some things, but not in all, some things u saying really pessimistic...

 

Well each major moves of masses of peoples always started from some spread words, there are lot of words about GTA 4 PC problems around, some of them started here as was noticed by Rockstar and many peoples around the world and spread as virus infection, but no one yet talked seriously in dedicated tread about main problem - TORONTO WHICH CANNOT FINISH THEIR JOB RITE IN SCHEDULE AND SCREWING UP the game + R* HQ managers that making such a bad decision to give so such huge projects and so little time for small and not skilled team like R* Toronto.

 

Believe me (as worker of major game publisher) everyone reading everything, just not so many of us - publisher`s and dev workers answering on public - NDA, loyalty and risk to be fired and other sh*t makes us all very silent or anonymous

Edited January 1, 2009 by Voodooman

[CharmingCharlie]

 

And that is your biased opinion another baseless post by yours truly.

Naturally you are not biased in anyway what so ever are you. All your posts ever seem to do is attack anyone that says anything positive about GTA 4.

 

 

NIck18 I got your point, and its true in some things, but not in all, some things u saying really pessimistic...

 

Well each major moves of masses of peoples always started from some spread words, there are lot of words about GTA 4 PC problems around, some of them started here as was noticed by Rockstar and many peoples around the world and spread as virus infection, but no one yet talked seriously in dedicated tread about main problem - TORONTO WHICH CANNOT FINISH THEIR JOB RITE IN SCHEDULE AND SCREWING UP the game + R* HQ managers that making such a bad decision to give so such huge projects and so little time for small and not skilled team like R* Toronto.

 

Believe me (as worker of major game publisher) everyone reading everything, just not so many of pub and dev peops answering on public, NDA, loyalty and risk to be fired makes us all very silent or anonymous 

 

Voodooman how about you provide some proof for the accusations you are making here, you clearly state that Rockstar Toronto did bad ports of both bully and GTA 4. Yet I see you providing NO evidence they went anywhere near Bully.

[nick18]

And that is your biased opinion another baseless post by yours truly.

Naturally you are not biased in anyway what so ever are you. All your posts ever seem to do is attack anyone that says anything positive about GTA 4.

 

 

NIck18 I got your point, and its true in some things, but not in all, some things u saying really pessimistic...

 

Well each major moves of masses of peoples always started from some spread words, there are lot of words about GTA 4 PC problems around, some of them started here as was noticed by Rockstar and many peoples around the world and spread as virus infection, but no one yet talked seriously in dedicated tread about main problem - TORONTO WHICH CANNOT FINISH THEIR JOB RITE IN SCHEDULE AND SCREWING UP the game + R* HQ managers that making such a bad decision to give so such huge projects and so little time for small and not skilled team like R* Toronto.

 

Believe me (as worker of major game publisher) everyone reading everything, just not so many of pub and dev peops answering on public, NDA, loyalty and risk to be fired makes us all very silent or anonymous 

 

Voodooman how about you provide some proof for the accusations you are making here, you clearly state that Rockstar Toronto did bad ports of both bully and GTA 4. Yet I see you providing NO evidence they went anywhere near Bully.

Yes we have to post facts but you don't You are no better than us just because you are a mod here. Get over your self, I find it hard to believe you actually really believe the stupid sh*t you are saying, But hey its not easy being a middle aged single man it really hurts the mind doesn't it.

[gamerzworld]

 

1st time they failed to finish Bully SE for 360 before scheduled time and it was released slow and buggy, then patched a bit.

 

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2nd time they did the same with Bully SE for PC and again unfinished and unoptimized port was released NOT PATCHED YET!

 

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3rd time they failed to finish GTA 4 PC port before November of 2008 as originally planed, and game was delayed until December for that reason.

1. How can they "fail" at porting Bully for the 360, when Rockstar New England was the one who ported it? (Funny story, I didn't have a problem with Bully for the 360) Rockstar Toronto ONLY did the Wii port, which didn't have any problems.

2. Again, how can Rockstar Toronto fail at porting when Rockstar New England was the one who ported it?

3. So you work for Rockstar and know the reasons why they delay things? Please, give me your insight into why Beaterator and L.A. Noire haven't been released yet.

 

Do some research next time BEFORE you post idiotic topics like this one.

 

Oh and stop bringing Rockstar Vancouver into this. They had nothing to do with the ports of Bully, they only created the original game for the PS2.

Edited January 1, 2009 by gamerzworld

[CharmingCharlie]

 

[Yes we have to post facts but you don't You are no better than us just because you are a mod here. Get over your self, I find it hard to believe you actually really believe the stupid sh*t you are saying, But hey its not easy being a middle aged single man it really hurts the mind doesn't it.

God you are obsessed with the fact I am a "mod" when I am not a mod, I am a ledby there is a DIFFERENCE. Is it possible for you to post in a civil manner without bringing personal attacks into every post you do ?.

 

I merely ask for proof from the topic creator because he is saying Rockstar Toronto did the ports of Bully which shows Rockstar Toronto are evidently "crap". However it looks more to me like it is Rockstar Vancouver handled Bully and if that is the case I think it is pretty damn unfair to blame Toronto.

 

I have never said GTA 4 is a good port, I merely think it is no better or worse than all the other games we have had this year. It is on a similar pegging as the previous ports, in short we have always had sh*t ports of Rockstar games yet all of a sudden people are complaining about it. I just wonder why, that is all.

[Jackmackg]

 

Let's look at the console version it has it's share of problems in fact things were so bad Rockstar North had to get MS and Sony engineers in to get the game working on the respective consoles. The game works well on the consoles NOT because of Rockstar North but because they were bailed out by more competent programmers from MS and Sony.

 

That not a bad thing.

 

here they are with a great idea and design of a game but are lacking in understanding this new hardware they are with. i mean they did not even have real time city loading till sa. It showed you that the power was there from the start of the gta 3.

 

And if these people can make the game better i dont see whats wrong with that. I see nothing wrong for asking for help.

 

would you rather play a game without there help?

[v00d00m4n]

PLEASE EVERYONE STOP OFFTOP FLAME!! STAY ON-TOPIC!!

 

Charlie IF U DIDNT NOTICED THE SUBJECT NOT ABOUT BULLY OR PORTING TECHNIQUE AND OTHER STUFF BUT ABOUT GTA 4, DONT JUST HOOK 2 SOME WORD OUT OF CONTEXT!

 

Toronto did bad port of GTA 4, they are didnt finished it at scheduled time and thats why we all suffering and thats what this THREAD ABOUT!!! MOD RIGHTS DOESNT GIVE U RIGHTS TO START OFF-TOPIC TALKING FLAMING.

Mod should follow the rules like all the others! IF U DO NOT AGREE JUST LEAVE THIS THREAD AND LET IT STAY ON TOPIC (IF U WILL CONTINUE WE CAN DEAL IT WITH ADMIN) !!!

Edited January 1, 2009 by Voodooman

[chngdman]

Also please I would like to make this point:

 

 

3rd time they failed to finish GTA 4 PC port before November of 2008 as originally planed, and game was delayed until December for that reason

 

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4th time they failed again to finish GTA 4 PC port even week before December, and to fit in Christmas sales GTA 4 was forced to go on shelves in that unfinished unoptimized almost beta state as it was in the end of November, delay really didnt helped slow Toronto to get their job finished rite in time.

 

I think that they released it because it's the best thing they can possibly do. We are PC gamers and we expect patches and we expect it to work and it does if we do our part too, because not even Mac's are truly "just works". Hear me out, maybe some time through the final testing stages they started running into rare problems - let's face it, the only people who complain are the people not playing the game happily, and there are sections not about bugs and stuff on this forum - so there were some problems in the beginning, it had to ship, not really for christmas, but I'm sure that was part of the thinking. But more for getting it out to the audience and making sure we knew:

 

"hey, it does work, there are some issues though, we are aware you all have been waiting for a long time and many of you dont have consoles and love our games on PC, and we do visit the forums and saw how many times the console ppl laughed when you asked about a PC version, and now you know it's coming, and we've already delayed it once, and you guys are PC gamers, at least you'll be glad to have it and we'll get a much wider view of these rare problems with seemingly similar and even matched hardware behaving differently and so on, and we do plan to support IV for years to come, maybe it's best to give you the game - to make sure YOUR christmas wishes "I hope IV releases before christmas, all I want for xmas, is IV <3" come true and to hope the best with these rare problems. We know this community is the more vocal of all of gaming, if not only of all of our games, and so we'll have someone here to represent toronto and try to find a solution."

 

Sure, it's all theory, and I'm just using wishful thinking, but that could be the case. They could have been ready, went into testing, started seeing some issues for people, some reproducible, others not,and just thought it was the best to not keep you all waiting. Like, you can't just delay a game twice. You can, but if you do, you need to delay it many more times. If you delay it once, you need to get it out and be there for the community because you know two things:

 

1: It is software and in this case it is software that is meant to have versions and upgrades and come with updates every so often.

2: Your fan base has waited once, they will wait again, but you really don't want to make them when the problems you're having could be solved faster by having more people having the problems, minority they may be, it still makes the view wider.

 

It's tough to really get into it and maintain clarity without going a lot of different ways, there are endless variables to the reasons why this game has the issues it has with certain setups and even different platforms, and I suppose the same amount of variables to the reason why we treat games as something other than software, or in more extreme cases expect software to run as crisply and smoothly as a printed film or analogue tape deck.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Charlie IF U DIDNT NOTICE THE SUBJECT NOT ABOUT BULLY BUT ABOUT GTA 4, DONT JUST HOOK 2 SOME WORD OUT OF CONTEXT!

Erm you mentioned Bully first and devoted a great deal of your post to Bully in the hope it would show everyone that Toronto have a history of bad PC ports. You have yet to show any proof of that and till you do the rest of your ranting is just pointless drivel.

 

Toronto did bad port of GTA 4, they are didnt finished it at scheduled time and thats why we all suffering and thats what this THREAD ABOUT!!! MOD RIGHTS DOESNT GIVE U RIGHTS TO START OFF-TOPIC TALKING FLAMING.

How am I flaming you ? I merely ask you to provide proof for your statements. So far you haven't and by the way feel free to report me if you think I am doing anything wrong.

 

 

Mod should follow the rules like all the others! IF U DO NOT AGREE JUST LEAVE THIS THREAD AND LET IT STAY ON TOPIC (IF U WILL START TO SHOW "WHOS MOD HERE" WE CAN DEAL IT WITH ADMIN) !!!

Again I am remaining on topic, you are trying to paint Toronto as a company that always does PC ports badly you are misrepresenting the truth. Rockstar Toronto had nothing to do with the PC version of Bully as your original post suggested.

[gamerzworld]

 

Charlie IF U DIDNT NOTICED THE SUBJECT NOT ABOUT BULLY OR PORTING TECHNIQUE AND OTHER STUFF BUT ABOUT GTA 4, DONT JUST HOOK 2 SOME WORD OUT OF CONTEXT!

If the topic isn't about Bully, why the f*ck would you mention it then? Just admit it, you have NO f*ckING CLUE what your talking about. If you think it's so f*cking easy to port a game like GTAIV, why don't you offer to port it for Rockstar? Oh and Rockstar Leeds didn't "port" the GTA Stories games nor Chinatown Wars, they are their own games that were made FOR A SPECIFIC platform.

 

 

1 game isnt enough to give em lot of experience and making their own game isnt the same as making ports of other games

Let's see here...Rockstar Toronto ported Bully for the Wii, Manhunt 2 for the Wii, Oni for the PS2, and Max Payne for the PS2.

Edited January 2, 2009 by gamerzworld

[nick18]

[Yes we have to post facts but you don't You are no better than us just because you are a mod here. Get over your self, I find it hard to believe you actually really believe the stupid sh*t you are saying, But hey its not easy being a middle aged single man it really hurts the mind doesn't it.

God you are obsessed with the fact I am a "mod" when I am not a mod, I am a ledby there is a DIFFERENCE. Is it possible for you to post in a civil manner without bringing personal attacks into every post you do ?.

 

I merely ask for proof from the topic creator because he is saying Rockstar Toronto did the ports of Bully which shows Rockstar Toronto are evidently "crap". However it looks more to me like it is Rockstar Vancouver handled Bully and if that is the case I think it is pretty damn unfair to blame Toronto.

 

I have never said GTA 4 is a good port, I merely think it is no better or worse than all the other games we have had this year. It is on a similar pegging as the previous ports, in short we have always had sh*t ports of Rockstar games yet all of a sudden people are complaining about it. I just wonder why, that is all.

Idk what you are trying to say that all of the rockstar departments are sh*t at porting games? Or that porting games is just a sh*t idea to begin with, In which case I agree with both of those. The fact I bring up you being a mod is because the only reason you are here is to hold it over peoples heads, Its either your way or the highway while all along I have never seen you help 1 person on these forums, You are either jumping in to defend rockstar or telling people to stop getting off topic and locking the thread not solving any issues besides pissing the OP off and anyone else who needed help. Than you go around locking threads telling people there are other threads about this with 1000+ posts that you would never get help on anyways. Its obvious you are just an ass puppet covering up for rockstar. Why don't you try to stop being a douche bag who is only ruining the forums and be someone who can help people.

 

I have probably helped more people than you for the week I have been here. In turn I have never locked any threads for no reason other than to be an ass or to spread your pro rockstar propaganda.

[Jackmackg]

Charlie IF U DIDNT NOTICE THE SUBJECT NOT ABOUT BULLY BUT ABOUT GTA 4, DONT JUST HOOK 2 SOME WORD OUT OF CONTEXT!

Erm you mentioned Bully first and devoted a great deal of your post to Bully in the hope it would show everyone that Toronto have a history of bad PC ports. You have yet to show any proof of that and till you do the rest of your ranting is just pointless drivel.

 

Toronto did bad port of GTA 4, they are didnt finished it at scheduled time and thats why we all suffering and thats what this THREAD ABOUT!!! MOD RIGHTS DOESNT GIVE U RIGHTS TO START OFF-TOPIC TALKING FLAMING.

How am I flaming you ? I merely ask you to provide proof for your statements. So far you haven't and by the way feel free to report me if you think I am doing anything wrong.

 

 

Mod should follow the rules like all the others! IF U DO NOT AGREE JUST LEAVE THIS THREAD AND LET IT STAY ON TOPIC (IF U WILL START TO SHOW "WHOS MOD HERE" WE CAN DEAL IT WITH ADMIN) !!!

Again I am remaining on topic, you are trying to paint Toronto as a company that always does PC ports badly you are misrepresenting the truth. Rockstar Toronto had nothing to do with the PC version of Bully as your original post suggested.

why are you talking with some one who does not even know how to turn caps lock of. is he really worth your time?

 

im with cc. with out a link to ligitiment sites this topic is just a hair ball in the series of tubes we call the Internet.

[livilaNic]

Well yeah this should have been locked liked the rest, not sure on that either nick18. But to start personally attacking the guy for his short comings doesn't make you the better person.

 

I'd comment on the rest of this nonsense, but why? This guy certainly won't change his mind any time soon (Keyword: Manifest).. He'll be hating on Toronto until he finds something else to start hating on.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Idk what you are trying to say that all of the rockstar departments are sh*t at porting games? Or that porting games is just a sh*t idea to begin with, In which case I agree with both of those.

I have never been all that impressed with any of Rockstars programming ability to be honest. I have often said that Rockstar are great game designers but sh*t programmers. This was evident all through the GTA 3 series and it will carry on through the GTA 4 series. That is my point this is NOTHING new, we had sh*t ports of the previous GTA's and we are going to get sh*t ports of the new GTA's. However despite all that the gta franchise is still a fantastic game and it is thanks to the power of the PC that it still works despite all the f*ck up's that Rockstar keep doing.

 

 

The fact I bring up you being a mod is because the only reason you are here is to hold it over peoples heads, Its either your way or the highway while all along I have never seen you help 1 person on these forums, You are either jumping in to defend rockstar or telling people to stop getting off topic and locking the thread not solving any issues besides pissing the OP off and anyone else who needed help. Than you go around locking threads telling people there are other threads about this with 1000+ posts that you would never get help on anyways. Its obvious you are just an ass puppet covering up for rockstar. Why don't you try to stop being a douche bag who is only ruining the forums and be someone who can help people.

I never use my position to go "listen to me or else" and if I did I am sure I would soon be removed from my position. I was going to lock this thread but I saw the TC but a bit of work into it so decided to leave it open despite all of his inaccuracies. I do not defend Rockstar but at the same time there is a hell of a lot of bull posted on this forums about GTA 4 and Rockstar Toronto and I don't like to see bull posted. So you might think I am a Rockstar defender but I am not, I have GTA 4 on both my PC's both run "acceptably" they are not great ports in fact I think they are god awful in a lot of ways.

 

As for how I manage the forum, I am only following the guidelines that I have been told to follow. I am not given free reign here you know. I am part of a moderating team and they follow the same guidelines I do. I don't believe I am being a douche but I do believe that the naysayers on here are ruining the forum for ME. Like many I am getting sick and tired of the same sh*t being posted over and over again. Seriously I don't even like coming here anymore because of naysayers like you nick18 (I don't mean that as an insult) they are ruining my GTA 4 and they are ruining the GTAforums.

 

 

I have probably helped more people than you for the week I have been here. In turn I have never locked any threads for no reason other than to be an ass or to spread your pro rockstar propaganda.

Please show me evidence that I am part of some conspiracy to spread Rockstar propoganda. I like GTA 4 so that makes me guilty of being part of an elaborate conspiracy does it ? You don't like GTA 4 so would I be right in saying you are part of a console user conspiracy to slag off the PC version so we never get another ? I lock threads not because they are anti-rockstar but because usually they are just a meaningless rant that we have all read dozens of times already. You may think that is being a Rockstar lackey I like to think of it as good forum management.

[livilaNic]

Wish I was a mod, ledby, w/e (anyone who can lock threads). I'd have locked this sh*t by now.

 

If you 2 want to go back and forth about how whos what and whats who how.

 

Couldn't you just do that in PMs? I just don't get it.

Edited January 2, 2009 by livilaNic

[nick18]

Wish I was a mod, I'd have locked this sh*t by now.

 

If you 2 want to go back and forth about how whos what and whats who how.

 

Couldn't you just do that in PMs? I just don't get it.

Ya srsly whats the point of even having forums we should all just get on aol instant messenger and discuss gta.

[livilaNic]

Wish I was a mod, I'd have locked this sh*t by now.

 

If you 2 want to go back and forth about how whos what and whats who how.

 

Couldn't you just do that in PMs? I just don't get it.

Ya srsly whats the point of even having forums we should all just get on aol instant messenger and discuss gta.

Your not discussing GTA, your discussing something entirely different. Just because you mention GTA in what you are saying doesn't mean you are discussing GTA as a game. W/e...continue your "discussion" of GTA then.

 

My bad...

[nick18]

Wish I was a mod, I'd have locked this sh*t by now.

 

If you 2 want to go back and forth about how whos what and whats who how.

 

Couldn't you just do that in PMs? I just don't get it.

Ya srsly whats the point of even having forums we should all just get on aol instant messenger and discuss gta.

Your not discussing GTA, your discussing something entirely different. Just because you mention GTA in what you are saying doesn't mean you are discussing GTA as a game. W/e...continue your "discussion" of GTA then.

 

My bad...

So does this mean you are not discussing gta, since we are only discussing, discussing gta? In which case you should stay on topic maybe you should be the one who is locked.

[PacMaan]

[CharmingCharlie]

Ok let's not picture spam the topic. To be honest I am not sure what to do with this topic really since the TC's assertion that :-

 

 

they failed porting 4 times in row !!!

 

is wrong. I would be surprised if anyone here thinks that GTA 4 is the best most efficient port in the history of PC gaming. there are clearly some things that Rockstar Toronto have done wrong. I don't think it is fair to blame Toronto for the social club, games for windows live or even securom. The decision to use those three things will have be down to management at Take two.

 

Even if Rockstar North had done the game we would have still got a game that used securom, GFWL and the social club. I am still of the view that this port is no better or worse than any of the other gta ports we have seen in the past. Which when you consider this is Rockstar Toronto's FIRST pc game since Warriors isn't too bad.

 

I personally believe we got the port that time and finances allowed, it isn't nice to say that but this is a commercial world we live in. If Toronto had been given another 6 months and a couple of million more I am sure the port would have been massively better. The only problem is no one would have really cared that much about the PC version a year after the console version. Hell most people had lost interest in the PC version just 6 months later.

[Coldkilla]

AND PROBABLY TEAM HAVE BAD MANAGEMENT AND CANNOT SET WORK PRIORITY WELL (For example i believe that POOR IN-GAME VIDEO EDITOR was MAJOR WASTE OF TIME THAT THEY SHOULD BETTER USE FOR CORE GAME CODING AND OPTIMIZATION, )

The video editor was the only reason I bought this game for PC.