juscal Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 What card would be better at running GTA IV? I'll be getting a Quad core *hopefully* and if not it'll be a dual core. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burtington Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 buckle up for some flaming Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevyboy Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I run a 4870, and while I find it a great card, if I were to buy now I would definitely go with the 216 core 260. That said (to get the obvious fanboy flames aside hopefully) 4850's generally perform better (often far better) than 9800's Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grizz46 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Of course a 4850, it beats 9800GTX in most places (especially with AA on) let alone 9800GT.. and 9600GT is out of the question.. no, i'm not a fanboy Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
travbrad Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I can't believe the poll is this close... Can you people please let me know what kind of drugs you're on? I'd really like to have some. The 4850 is clearly faster than a 9800GT, and completely blows the 9600GT out of the water. Of the cards in the poll, the 4850 is BY FAR the best choice. A 9800GTX would be a better comparison though. They cost about the same as a 4850, and perform about the same. It's really down to personal preference between those two (unless you play at extreme resolutions, then the 4850 has an edge) That being said, with GTA4 it might not make much difference which card you get, since it's so dependant on the CPU rather than the video card. It's still nice to get the best video card you can afford though, for other games Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeeze Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 im a happy owner of ati 4850 ! it ownsssslol Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayushisrocking Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 shouldn't this be in the Tech and PC section? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp2018 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The 4850 and 9800gt are virtually the same performance wise until you hit resolutions higher than 1280x1024. Add to this the fact the 4850's secret weapon is dx10.1 support which can increase FPS by 10% over stanard dx10 and it really has NO benefits in gta 4 over a 9800gt until you hit higher resolutions or start using AA (which OOPS cant do in GTA 4). Also add to this the fact the nvidia cards pull ahead when in sli vs crossfire and again, neither are a clear winner, HOWEVER, if you are going to buy the card to replace your old one, I would still suggest the 4850 as you are going to use the card in more than one game. FYI this is coming from a 9800gt user, so im not an ATI fanboy. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
640509-040147 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I'll go for for the ATI, I had an nV which was crappy, crappier than my old Intel! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcrysis02 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I'm with the 9800GT.Yeah,performance matters the most,but to me what really matters is that i can actually play a game on release.ATI simply doesn't have enough supporters.Almost all games are Nvidia proof these days,and i'm not saying that the 9800Gt is better.(from the lookes of it,it isn't)But i love the tought that all future games will start on my computer,a feeling not all ATI card owners can get.The mayority of the ATI gamers had trouble starting up GTAIV,and that was not because of the DRM.It was because of the cards and driver.At least Nvidia cards managed to start playing in the first two hours.But that's just my opinion. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juscal Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 shouldn't this be in the Tech and PC section? No, because I'm trying to find out which card performs better with GTA IV. So from what I can see, the ATI seems to be the way to go. Now onto it actually working. I've seen a lot of problems involving cards and them not working well/at all with IV. Is this a problem with the 4850 or is it with another card? Is it likely that I'll run into problems with the ATI? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eye776 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I'm going to say this AGAIN... the game runs maxed out on the folowing machine: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ 2GB DRR2 1600 Palit GeForce 9600GSO 768MB 192-bit Windows XP service pack 3 (original version, not sh***y hacked versioons such as PowerXP, Ulitimate Mega Edition XP, etc ) After f***ing around with the game's resources it CAN RUN decently (all @ min) on the following machine: AMD Sempron 3000+ 1GB DDR2 667 GeForce 6800 256MB 128-bit Windows XP service pack 3 All those with ATI 4850's that can't even run the game @ medium... check your machine specs for incompatibilities. The 4850 should EAT GTA IV FOR BREAKFAST. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058832965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I voted for the ATi 4850 because I'm running it along with a Q6600 and I can play GTA IV with an average fps of 30 on medium settings. And I haven't even updated my video drivers. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058833025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIR_NazcaC2 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) I'm an NVIDIA fanboy, there it's said. But, between the choices you listed, you'd certainly want to choose the 4850. PS - Oh, and I did own an ATI (Xpert @ Play 2000) way back when, but never got one since. Edited January 1, 2009 by NIR_NazcaC2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058833450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldoribeiro Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 HD4850 beats 9800GT but 9800GTX+ beats HD4850 and here in South Africa, the 9800GTX+ is cheaper. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058833626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenia Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 HD4850 beats 9800GT but 9800GTX+ beats HD4850 and here in South Africa, the 9800GTX+ is cheaper. Here in Finland the 9800GTX goes for over 30€ more, not worth paying for a mere 2% improvement in performance But yeah, it all depends on where you live, go for the one that's cheaper tbh. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058833680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgt.slaughter Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 i voted Nvidia 9800 GT cuz thats what im thinkin about gettin.i have an old nvidia card that cant run GTAIV.you may think its just laggy,but no,its worse than that.when i first tried GTAIV,my card couldnt run it on the lowest settings !it hilariously bad,like all i could see in the intro was the characters,and some badly pixelated water.so bad its good.funny good. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058834340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juscal Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 It turns out I can't get the 4850 at the place I was planning to get it. So I might go with the Inno3D Nvidia 9600GT, because it's $139AU which is within my price range. The Inno3D Nvidia 9600GT will play GTA, won't it? Will I get decent FPS with it? And if I decide to go with the Dual core rather than a quad core, will the be a major change in the performance? The dual core is much cheaper than the quad core, so if I can play IV with the dual core, that will save me a good $100AU. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058834392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chngdman Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 (edited) edit: dude! you will be much more pleased for a longer amount of time with ati 3800 and above than anything nvidia has from 9000 series and below, and probably the 4850 will be better than even newer nvidia cards, and I like nvidia the best. Your last post just now above mine, get a 3800 series card then instead! I've got one, but it's agp, and not officially supported so I had compounded issues that made me want to stay away in favour of "the next-next-nvidias", hd3850 runs GTA IV flawlessly and is only ever bottle necked by my other hardware, never the video card! If it's the only game you care about running perfect, get this card, because I feel that way and I am glad I have the 3850 and only sometimes wish I had a better chipset on my mainboard edit: quad core. yes dude, do not get a 9 series lol. Get a 3850 with the intention of buying either a 4870 or whatever nvidia lay birth to this year, but nothing they have out right now (in your price range, for gaming). DUDE! The 4870 for sure. To help you see my urging you for that card over a 9600, let me say this: I bought an HD 3850 a while back as a final AGP card for this machine (this MOBO, imo, should have been built with a PCIe slot because the AGP, even though currently it's just as good until later card generations, is the part of it we could call dated, d'oh ) and it was my first ever AMD/ATi product. Now, I will probably never buy another ATi video card - but that's my own personal consumer beef, and it should be noted that my card works, it is fast, it delivers, and the PCIe version is better because it has audio and is less expensive. And that's the 3800 series. I literally could have gotten a motherboard and the same card in PCIe version for the same price and not had *some* of the issues I was having with my first ATi card, but again, I wanted to up this box one last time before I move on and sell or give away this one while I had the chance and it is the last or near last AGP card that will come out because very soon the PCIe bus will really be being used in games, and agp won't cut it beyond basic and desktop use. 9600 vs 4870? 4870 all day - because I know once you get it setup just right for your machine it will run circles around the whole 9 series, and the DX10.1 support means your vista will run really well - but there's a risk there too - which is one of the things making it so hard for me to word this as well - the drivers. Vista seems to do better with the totally different architecture for their drivers and apparently since catalyst 8.6, there have been new issues with each issue fixed on both windows versions that are used in games today (xp sp3 and vista sp1, including conflicts with Aero and lots of other goodies for those of us on XP) So drivers will be a hit or a miss until they get their act together, but I can say this, any problem I've had with 8.12 (I joined the family just days after they released) was able to be sorted by hopping around google with my symptoms. Kinda scary sounding, but those issues that crop up, you will find solutions for, even if you need to try one of three or four "fixes" (usually a setting tweak or something disabled for now until a new driver comes out, which might mean you can enable but need to now disable other things lol. This ati sh*t is funny, as someone like me who has always used Nvidia) So, I'm all over the place with this whole convoluted mess of a post, but when I get my next mainboard, I will get "the next->next->generation of nvidia", but remember they have issues too, and the 9 series definitely is not as good in my opinion for price and performance as the HD 4850, and I think you should definitely get ther 4870 if you can, and if you are one of the people with "irreconcilable" differences with your XP + new ATi cards and drivers, the DX10.1 support, for it's speed, would be worth the move to vista. I don't want vista for any time soon, but I almost did and was actually happy about it since I'd have DX10 hardware support now anyway. This post is ugly, but HD4800 series will have no issues with GTA IV at all. Will run great once your low-level system sh*t is proper for your new hardware, and be better all around over nvidia's 9 series. If you wait for a while though, I would start looking at nvidia's new stuff, because if the latest graphics cards are all months in a year, then the next cards soon to come are supposed to be like the changing of a decade. sh*t, if IV is all you are worried about, get a 3850, it runs IV flawless and will last a long time, and has the same level dx10 support. And, before I say this last part, again, I like nvidia and cant wait to see the new cards later on this year and build a new PC around two of those and maybe an i7, but my buddy has the 8800GT, dual, and he knows pretty well how to not muck up his PC as we fiddled with computers a bunch together a while back, and he is pissed about spending 50 bucks on GTA IV, and his processor is faster than mine. lol, Hamler says no problem on my single 3850 I don't know if he got his sorted yet, I'll give him a call. Edited January 1, 2009 by chngdman Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058834448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juscal Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Yeah, I'd happily go with the ATI but its a little out of my price range. So to summarise, with GTA run wit a good 25+ FPS with a Nvidia 9600 GT and a Core 2 Duo E7300? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058834906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBobby Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 two 9800gt's SLI what else can i say Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058834923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juscal Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 two 9800gt's SLI what else can i say Money's a factor What about an ATI 4670? That's a bit cheaper than the 9600GT. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIR_NazcaC2 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 This might help your decision a bit. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_at...eview/page5.asp PS - Check out the entire article too. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juscal Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 This might help your decision a bit. http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/amd_at...eview/page5.asp PS - Check out the entire article too. After looking at the different game comparisons, it looks like the 9600 GT leads the way in most of them. 9600 GT the way to go then? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSpecht Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 LOL, 50% I have a 9800 GT and I'm more than happy with it, also, nVidia just released another driver (185 something) which increased my in-game performance, what has ATi released? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorkenlol Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I've heard 4850 is better than 9600 atleast. 9800 is probably better than 4850 though. I always liked nvidia better. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyphonPayne Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 NVIDIA FTW!!!! Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicetopia Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 (edited) For GTA4, Nvidia is the clear winner. http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,670889/...d=670889&page=2 Even the 9800GT is beating the HD4870! The OP says he wants the best card for running GTA4. Anyone voting for the 4850 in this poll is a moron. Thread over. Edited January 2, 2009 by Vicetopia Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
juscal Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hmm, looks like the 9800 GT then. Thanks guys Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSpecht Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hmm, looks like the 9800 GT then. Thanks guys Great choice ;D Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/389236-ati-or-nvidia/#findComment-1058835398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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