How R* ruined Christmas.

[GamerShotgun]

 

you still insist on coming to this section of the forums and flaming threads or hyping the pc basher.

Probably because I play GTA4? Just like everyone else here.

Am I the only one who does not see the connection between those two things?

 

The other stuff you write in your post is valid through, but I just can't understand this last point.. don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to flame you.

[VietnamRebel]

Well you said you have a Core 2 DUO so you don't even MEET the recommended requirements which stipulates a quad.

 

Why wont you just TELL US your specs FFS???

Nvidia Evga 9800gtx+ ----

 

Core Clock 738

Shader clock 1836

Memory clock 1100

 

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3ghz---

Name Core 2 Duo E8400

Operating Frequency 3.0GHz

FSB 1333MHz

L2 Cache 6MB

Manufacturing Tech 45 nm

64 bit Support Yes

Hyper-Threading Support No

Virtualization Technology Support Yes

Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4, EM64T

Voltage 0.85V – 1.3625V

Thermal Power 65W

Cooling Device Heatsink and Fan included

 

3gb of ram

 

 

Do you need anymore information before you tell me to buy a quad core.

Our specs are almost identical, is your 9800 a 512mb card or 1gb card? I run anywhere between 20FPS and 50FPS, but it usually sits around 30 FPS. Do you have anything running in the background? I've found that my stupid virus scanner will start to scan during play, and it makes my frame rate drop significantly.

[nick18]

 

Well you said you have a Core 2 DUO so you don't even MEET the recommended requirements which stipulates a quad.

 

Why wont you just TELL US your specs FFS???

Nvidia Evga 9800gtx+ ----

 

Core Clock 738

Shader clock 1836

Memory clock 1100

 

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3ghz---

Name Core 2 Duo E8400

Operating Frequency 3.0GHz

FSB 1333MHz

L2 Cache 6MB

Manufacturing Tech 45 nm

64 bit Support Yes

Hyper-Threading Support No

Virtualization Technology Support Yes

Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4, EM64T

Voltage 0.85V – 1.3625V

Thermal Power 65W

Cooling Device Heatsink and Fan included

 

3gb of ram

 

 

Do you need anymore information before you tell me to buy a quad core.

Our specs are almost identical, is your 9800 a 512mb card or 1gb card? I run anywhere between 20FPS and 50FPS, but it usually sits around 30 FPS. Do you have anything running in the background? I've found that my stupid virus scanner will start to scan during play, and it makes my frame rate drop significantly.

Like I said before there is nothing what so ever running in background. my 9800gtx+ is a 512mb, its actually this one.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814130376

 

It is a monster card and has destroyed any game I have thrown at it, Also master gtfo If you want to argue with someone make your own thread.

 

I also even use less graphics than you, I use only medium textures, and 30view distance, 40 detail and 40 traffic with 0 shadows. same Res, I knew my f*cking system was not inadequate there just must be something wrong. my game will rarely go over 15 fps no matter how the weather is or what not even in the lowest detail settings.

Edited December 27, 2008 by nick18

[TruXter]

 

 

 

 

 

Read the damn thread dude I have said many times I HAVE PLAYED THIS GAME FOR THE LAST MONTH ON A 7600GS. That is why I am pissed the the game runs EXACTLY the same on a 9800gtx+

lol, sorry man, all that was not meant for you.

 

just the part after "to the op"

op = original poster.

[VietnamRebel]

Well you said you have a Core 2 DUO so you don't even MEET the recommended requirements which stipulates a quad.

 

Why wont you just TELL US your specs FFS???

Nvidia Evga 9800gtx+ ----

 

Core Clock 738

Shader clock 1836

Memory clock 1100

 

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3ghz---

Name Core 2 Duo E8400

Operating Frequency 3.0GHz

FSB 1333MHz

L2 Cache 6MB

Manufacturing Tech 45 nm

64 bit Support Yes

Hyper-Threading Support No

Virtualization Technology Support Yes

Multimedia Instruction MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4, EM64T

Voltage 0.85V – 1.3625V

Thermal Power 65W

Cooling Device Heatsink and Fan included

 

3gb of ram

 

 

Do you need anymore information before you tell me to buy a quad core.

Our specs are almost identical, is your 9800 a 512mb card or 1gb card? I run anywhere between 20FPS and 50FPS, but it usually sits around 30 FPS. Do you have anything running in the background? I've found that my stupid virus scanner will start to scan during play, and it makes my frame rate drop significantly.

Like I said before there is nothing what so ever running in background. my 9800gtx+ is a 512mb, its actually this one.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814130376

 

It is a monster card and has destroyed any game I have thrown at it, Also master gtfo If you want to argue with someone make your own thread.

 

I also even use less graphics than you, I use only medium textures, and 30view distance, 40 detail and 40 traffic with 0 shadows. same Res, I knew my f*cking system was not inadequate there just must be something wrong. my game will rarely go over 15 fps no matter how the weather is or what not even in the lowest detail settings.

Mine dips down to 13-20 FPS when in Chinatown at night...that road that leads up to the Broker Bridge. It's ridiculous..what is there, other than stupid lights, that is draining my system so bad? R* needs to sort this out, this is a fun game, but it needs to be fixed majorly.

[PestilenceJM]

This might have been said in all the other posts allready.

However: Buy a quadcore!

With GTA IV, dual cores are HISTORY!

[Vicetopia]

With PC gaming in general, dual cores are HISTORY!

FIXED.

[nick18]

Wow you people, Just because r* says that you need a duel core after they totally ruined the game performance wise, and you people just eat it up like cake, There is no f*cking game is existence that needs a duel core to run apparently besides gta4 if that is the case. Vietnam already posted stating he can run it with a duel core so just stop posting your stupid remarks that we have all heard thousands of times.

 

You do not need 4 f*cking cores considering the fact my duel core costs as much as some cheap quad cores pretty much makes your statement that duel cores are dead for PC gaming about as true as SLI being the future for games.

[Vicetopia]

 

You do not need 4 f*cking cores

Refuted.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/&menu=brows...d=669595&page=1

[TruXter]

You do not need 4 f*cking cores

Refuted.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots...enches_1280.PNG

says no deep linking when clicking image.

[One-time]

you're lucky to have all those stuff for xmas for a start, and r* didn't spoil your xmas, your presents just ain't good enough. face it - the game is future proff and your pc is good for playing maybe a maximum 20fps.

All I can say is LOL.

[noVa]

With PC gaming in general, dual cores are HISTORY!

FIXED.

quad still isn't king im afraid, at the moment the benefits for me having a higher clocked dual still outweighs having a lower clocked quad as i use many programs that don't utilise more than 2 cores and some only use 1 and quad would be significantly slower in these applications.

 

it's the reason why i chose the e8400 over its nearest quad and apart from gta 4 still is true.

[VietnamRebel]

With PC gaming in general, dual cores are HISTORY!

FIXED.

Not necessarily. I've seen people with quad cores, and some that even have GTX280 video cards run poorly. The game isn't very well optimized for us - yet, but this should change in the future if Rockstar wishes to continue it's business in the field of PC Gaming.

 

The argument that dual cores are now "history" and "obsolete" is complete nonsense that companies like Intel would like you to think, so that you purchase a new Quad Core. Maybe in a year or so now, dual cores will be obsolete when games actually start to use multiple cores on a larger scale. But, by then these quad cores will be selling for half of what they do right now because there will be something newer and "better". This sort of helps those out who don't go out and buy the newest stuff because it's "new", so I'll give you thanks for making my future purchase cheaper!

 

Back to GTA though, the game is poorly optimized. The patch gave me a little FPS boost, but not much. I still run it pretty well compared to a console version, since they lag quite a bit as well.. and don't say it's because I have a worn-out console, since I've seen this on more than one, one of which is hardly used.

[noVa]

With PC gaming in general, dual cores are HISTORY!

FIXED.

 

 

Back to GTA though, the game is poorly optimized. The patch gave me a little FPS boost, but not much. I still run it pretty well compared to a console version, since they lag quite a bit as well.. and don't say it's because I have a worn-out console, since I've seen this on more than one, one of which is hardly used.

yep, tbh anyone whose has played the console versions shouldn't be so surprised about the fps etc in the pc version,

 

unlike my xbox version though i have had no crashes due to crowded situations or stuff blowing up which for me is a +1

[Vicetopia]

 

The argument that dual cores are now "history" and "obsolete" is complete nonsense that companies like Intel would like you to think, so that you purchase a new Quad Core.

The same way dual nerds want me to think the big four zero GHz makes a difference?

I'll stick to my Quad at 3.6 and enjoy the best of both worlds.

[noVa]

The argument that dual cores are now "history" and "obsolete" is complete nonsense that companies like Intel would like you to think, so that you purchase a new Quad Core.

The same way dual nerds want me to think the big four zero GHz makes a difference?

I'll stick to my Quad at 3.6 and enjoy the best of both worlds.

are you running water cooling to get that 1.2ghz overclock?

[VietnamRebel]

 

The argument that dual cores are now "history" and "obsolete" is complete nonsense that companies like Intel would like you to think, so that you purchase a new Quad Core.

The same way dual nerds want me to think the big four zero GHz makes a difference?

I'll stick to my Quad at 3.6 and enjoy the best of both worlds.

I don't see your justification in calling somebody with an "obsolete" piece of equipment a nerd... usually it's the guys with all of the new stuff that are nerds, correct?

 

Also, I'm not saying that Duals are better, I'm saying they're not yet obsolete. I'll buy myself a quad when they're significantly better and more affordable. Dual gets the job done.

 

You'll understand this common sense when you stop letting your father pay for your things all the time.

Edited December 27, 2008 by VietnamRebel

[CharmingCharlie]

So I take it everyone in here has finished helping the TC then ? So you are just going to flame each other to death ? If so I might as well close this, it was only left open for people to give the TC a hand.

[VietnamRebel]

So I take it everyone in here has finished helping the TC then ? So you are just going to flame each other to death ? If so I might as well close this, it was only left open for people to give the TC a hand.

Please do, didn't mean to keep the flaming going.. just had to make a point is all.

[peter g]

 

Do you need anymore information before you tell me to buy a quad core.

 

No, all you had to do was say your not running a quad and getting sh*tty performance, no reason to be such a drama queen. If your new to PC gaming the minimum and recommended specs are there for a reason, if your not well then your just an idiot. Buy a quad, preferably a fast intel.

[Ducky is King]

Hmm, so you range from 50 - 400FPS = your OS is fine. Meaning its not the software enviroment.

 

And you mentioned other games that you have played to stress test the system to see how it works?

 

Here is a question, I havent seen this asked either, but it is a thought I am having...

 

MAYBE the game is some how conflicting with other games. Are there any other games installed?

 

Lets just make this easier for us all, list ALL the software that is currently installed on your computer that is NOT related to XP istel. This oncludes any and all 'monitoring' software that was bundles with your video card/motherboard.

 

Also, I did a FRESH install of Windows XP SP2>defrag> motherboard drivers > video> sound> reboot>SP3 ONLY>REBOOT>GTA4>Defrag

 

Thats the order in which I installed everything. I did this on a fresh hard drive, Infact I gave SP3 an entire hard drive, something i never do (give an OS an entire hard drive) 160GB Sata II Samsung Hard Drive. 16meg cache.

 

I now dual boot my primary OS (SP2) - Which I am on now, and do all my 'computing' on. Installing Service Packs on a 'used' OS is basically equivelant to nuking your own computer. Its bad, and generally doesnt work afterwards.

 

And my SP3 OS is 100% completely dedicated to GTA4. I dont even have antivirus installed. I dont surf the net, I dont read email, I dont chat on AIM.. It is STRICTLY for GTA4.

 

When I boot up, And get to the desktop, there are 27 processes running. 2 of which belong to GTA.

 

You could, as a 'test' do this. Install XP on a seperate hard drive/Partition, and do what I am doing.

 

Like everyone else, I dont want this 'shoot in the dark'bullsh*t with trying to figure out why the game doesnt work. So to bypass all that crap I did it this way.

 

Here are my stats, as a comparison, to give yourself an 'idea'

 

Q6600 2.4ghz

4gb ram DDR 2 800mhz

650i motherboard. I think its MSI, I forget...

Nvidia 8800GTX

Audigy 2 Zs

Samsung 160GB Sata II hard drive (I have 2)

750watt PC Power and Cooling PSU

 

I bounce between 25-60 FPS depending on what I am doing, but it never stutters... its always smooth. Except in MP, but i think thats a lag issue.

My settings in game, is 1050x648 @60hz

High/High/100/100/100/0

 

I have shadows completely turned off. And to be honest, I dont miss the shadows.

 

Now, I have attempted 'ultra high' however my FPS drops like a rock.

 

Let me know how things go.

 

 

[Vicetopia]

So I take it everyone in here has finished helping the TC then ? So you are just going to flame each other to death ? If so I might as well close this, it was only left open for people to give the TC a hand.

It's amazing how the word "FIXED" can make so many people angry.

[nick18]

Do you need anymore information before you tell me to buy a quad core.

 

No, all you had to do was say your not running a quad and getting sh*tty performance, no reason to be such a drama queen. If your new to PC gaming the minimum and recommended specs are there for a reason, if your not well then your just an idiot. Buy a quad, preferably a fast intel.

Seems like all the idiots have the same thing to say. Minimum requirements don't even say you need a f*cking quad core. Read the damn thread I am not going to keep saying the same crap over and over. I don't need your two cents so if you have something helpful to say go for it if not stfu already.

[GamerShotgun]

Just one question... what's the point in arguing about how Dual Core processors suck compared to Quad Core ones? I mean... the game is just a little bit f*cked up IMO, there are times when it runs perfectly on Dual Cores, and totally lame on Quad ones. The reason why this happens is mainly up to the porting team, and unfortunately it's just rarely the gamer's fault...

 

So lets say... you have two identical systems, but the game DOES NOT run the same on them. Would you still argue about dual, or quad core processors?

[Ducky is King]

Oh one last note, I am using drivers i downloaded from the manafactuers websites... I am not using WHQL drivers as far as I know. I just grabbed the latest drivers for all my hardware. Dont forget to grab the eithernet driver off the website too, as you will need this to get online.

 

Drivers on Windows Update while might be 'MS Certified' I have had issues with drivers off there in the passed, particularly video drivers.

 

Also, check the settings under your video card control panel... what do those look like?

[Starion]

Instead of being dissapointed that your good PC can't run a poorly optimised port, try a better PC game that your PC can run maxed at 50/60 fps, like Bioshock.

 

 

EDIT: oh, or just buy a quad core.

[peter g]

Do you need anymore information before you tell me to buy a quad core.

 

No, all you had to do was say your not running a quad and getting sh*tty performance, no reason to be such a drama queen. If your new to PC gaming the minimum and recommended specs are there for a reason, if your not well then your just an idiot. Buy a quad, preferably a fast intel.

Seems like all the idiots have the same thing to say. Minimum requirements don't even say you need a f*cking quad core. Read the damn thread I am not going to keep saying the same crap over and over. I don't need your two cents so if you have something helpful to say go for it if not stfu already.

Whatever, just keep doing what your doing, I couldnt care less.

[nick18]

Hmm, so you range from 50 - 400FPS = your OS is fine. Meaning its not the software enviroment.

 

And you mentioned other games that you have played to stress test the system to see how it works?

 

Here is a question, I havent seen this asked either, but it is a thought I am having...

 

MAYBE the game is some how conflicting with other games. Are there any other games installed?

 

Lets just make this easier for us all, list ALL the software that is currently installed on your computer that is NOT related to XP istel. This oncludes any and all 'monitoring' software that was bundles with your video card/motherboard.

 

Also, I did a FRESH install of Windows XP SP2>defrag> motherboard drivers > video> sound> reboot>SP3 ONLY>REBOOT>GTA4>Defrag

 

Thats the order in which I installed everything. I did this on a fresh hard drive, Infact I gave SP3 an entire hard drive, something i never do (give an OS an entire hard drive) 160GB Sata II Samsung Hard Drive. 16meg cache.

 

I now dual boot my primary OS (SP2) - Which I am on now, and do all my 'computing' on. Installing Service Packs on a 'used' OS is basically equivelant to nuking your own computer. Its bad, and generally doesnt work afterwards.

 

And my SP3 OS is 100% completely dedicated to GTA4. I dont even have antivirus installed. I dont surf the net, I dont read email, I dont chat on AIM.. It is STRICTLY for GTA4.

 

When I boot up, And get to the desktop, there are 27 processes running. 2 of which belong to GTA.

 

You could, as a 'test' do this. Install XP on a seperate hard drive/Partition, and do what I am doing.

 

Like everyone else, I dont want this 'shoot in the dark'bullsh*t with trying to figure out why the game doesnt work. So to bypass all that crap I did it this way.

 

Here are my stats, as a comparison, to give yourself an 'idea'

 

Q6600 2.4ghz

4gb ram DDR 2 800mhz

650i motherboard. I think its MSI, I forget...

Nvidia 8800GTX

Audigy 2 Zs

Samsung 160GB Sata II hard drive (I have 2)

750watt PC Power and Cooling PSU

 

I bounce between 25-60 FPS depending on what I am doing, but it never stutters... its always smooth. Except in MP, but i think thats a lag issue.

My settings in game, is 1050x648 @60hz

High/High/100/100/100/0

 

I have shadows completely turned off. And to be honest, I dont miss the shadows.

 

Now, I have attempted 'ultra high' however my FPS drops like a rock.

 

Let me know how things go.

I do not have any anti-virus installed what so ever either, No background processes run while gta 4 is going I have tried disabling the internet to gta and any other fixes people put out there. The most I have had on at the same time was EVGA precision tuner for the FPS display in the pictures I posted in my OP. 22 processes start when i boot up, everything is either internet or OS processes one for my video display which does not stay open. I run hijack this all the time to make sure nothing is starting up without me knowing, I know I am not some idiot who lets a bunch of spyware and junk get on my PC its very neat and organized.

 

Games installed are, Crysis, Medieval 2 total war + expansions, BF2+PR mod, Dead space, Sins of a solar empire, Company of Heroes, Need for speed undercover, fallout 1-3, Far cry 2, X3 reunion, Call of duty World at war, And other small games such as audio surf, I can play all of these games maxed out with an average of 40-80fps. Not had any problem with stuttering in any games except in Crysis editor when i made a tower of barrels with hundreds of thousands of barrels even than the fps never went under 20fps.

 

I run GTA 4 on [email protected]

 

medium/very high/30/45/30/0

 

10-20fps gets into the 21-23 area when i look straight down at the ground.

 

Even with

 

800x600

low/low/0/0/0/0

 

the fps was at 10-20 as you can tell from the screen shots in my OP.

 

 

Im probably gonna reinstall and give up hope if that doesn't work.

[GamerShotgun]

Instead of being dissapointed that your good PC can't run a poorly optimised port, try a better PC game that your PC can run maxed at 50/60 fps, like Bioshock.

 

 

EDIT: oh, or just buy a quad core.

Although I agree on the first part, the Quad Core comment was pretty dumb. As I said, there are people who are having problems with the most recent hardware components, because this game runs bad even on low settings. So that's a bit... annoying?

[nick18]

Do you need anymore information before you tell me to buy a quad core.

 

No, all you had to do was say your not running a quad and getting sh*tty performance, no reason to be such a drama queen. If your new to PC gaming the minimum and recommended specs are there for a reason, if your not well then your just an idiot. Buy a quad, preferably a fast intel.

Seems like all the idiots have the same thing to say. Minimum requirements don't even say you need a f*cking quad core. Read the damn thread I am not going to keep saying the same crap over and over. I don't need your two cents so if you have something helpful to say go for it if not stfu already.

Whatever, just keep doing what your doing, I couldnt care less.

Thats why you are still here and still watching the thread get a life loser and just stop posting already like the mods have already said.