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OliG

DLC in PS3/PC

Will the Lost and Damned DLC and the second pack be available for PS3/PC?  

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  1. 1. Will the Lost and Damned DLC and the second pack be available for PS3/PC?

    • Yes, simultaneously.
      23
    • Yes, but later on.
      70
    • No, never any DLC for other consoles.
      37
    • No, there will be other DLC for PS3/PC and 360, but the 2 packs are just for 360.
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    • Other, state below.
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OliG

OK, there's been so much discussion about it, so I propose we keep it all here. Vote in the poll, and mod; pin plz?

 

 

Will The Lost and Damned Episodic Content pack and the other unnamed DLC pack be released for platforms other than the Xbox 360?

Vote, comment and discuss.

 

Personally I think they're bound to make other DLC for all platforms, but the 2 episodic packs are just for Xbox 360. Due to the whole $50 million deal thingy. So, its not all bad. And also, people should stop whinging, can we all enjoy this great game without arguing? Please?

kthx.

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Tobias Rieper

You should have included a 'PC gets DLC after modders convert it to the PC platform and MS gives in and releases it on PC aswell. (to earn some money of the work that the modding community has already done by coding/converting it)

 

PS3 never gets it.

 

Ever.'

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nlitement
You should have included a 'PC gets DLC after modders convert it to the PC platform and MS gives in and releases it on PC aswell. (to earn some money of the work that the modding community has already done by coding/converting it)

 

PS3 never gets it.

 

Ever.'

This one precisely.

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Pat

It'll end up on the PC, but most likely never on the PlayStation 3.

 

It would also be quite stupid to make extra content for the other two formats, assuming the content stays exclusive; by the time the second pack comes out, Rockstar will be working on the next Grand Theft Auto.

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Yokelsson

No, for the million times, NO! PS3 can't have it because the DLC is owned by Microsoft. They payed for it. Maybe, just maybe Microsoft will port it to PC. Although that will probably never happen as well.

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LitoBX

To the people who voted yes, a question for you.

 

How can the Playstation 3 get down loadable content that Microsoft paid to have made?

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LitoBX
No, for the million times, NO! PS3 can't have it because the DLC is owned by Microsoft. They payed for it. Maybe, just maybe Microsoft will port it to PC. Although that will probably never happen as well.

Seriously. For Christs sake you explain it once and there's the same person in another

topic asking the same f*cking question like they're clueless of what the f*ck is going on.

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J0EBUSHID0
No, for the million times, NO! PS3 can't have it because the DLC is owned by Microsoft. They payed for it. Maybe, just maybe Microsoft will port it to PC. Although that will probably never happen as well.

I absolutely agree.. if M$ really cared about games on PC, we'd all be playing Halo 3 on there right now.

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No, for the million times, NO! PS3 can't have it because the DLC is owned by Microsoft. They payed for it. Maybe, just maybe Microsoft will port it to PC. Although that will probably never happen as well.

I absolutely agree.. if M$ really cared about games on PC, we'd all be playing Halo 3 on there right now.

If MS gave a sh*t at all about PC's, they would make a decent OS on the day it is released. Then they would move on to the gaming sector. But of course this will happen after they stop making consoles that break easily and takes half a year to fix. That is of course after they make LIVE free and give Sony DLC.

 

So there is a 0.000001% chance of that or DLC on PS3.

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Svip

Microsoft doesn't own the DLC, they own the DLC as much as Sony owns GTA IV, they are just the f*cking publishers, learn a thing or two about business, niggas.

 

If Rockstar wanted to, and Sony begged enough, they could easily release for the PS3. It was like when we thought GTAIII was a PS2 exclusive, but then it came to PC, oh and Xbox.

 

Rockstar are known skippers of deals. Don't be surprised if they do it.

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LolaDelRio

I hope the DLC content comes to PC. Unlike Tomb Raider Underworld it's DLC - Eidos have confirmed DLC content for the game only for the 360 well thats just Eidos. But the nice people of Rockstar, well I haven't read anything thing that said that GTA IV DLC is only for 360. The PC version of IV is almost like a 360 game if you're playing with the 360 controller for windows and you're using the live dashboard on the top of the screen and the sound of it and also the colour buttons of the controller shown on screen, just almost like a 360 game without the 360 console. That might be relevant but lets see if the Games for Windows title does get DLC. smile.gif

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LunaticBrandon

I hope the PS3 doesnt get enything.

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gta 4 gamer
Microsoft doesn't own the DLC, they own the DLC as much as Sony owns GTA IV, they are just the f*cking publishers, learn a thing or two about business, niggas.

 

If Rockstar wanted to, and Sony begged enough, they could easily release for the PS3. It was like when we thought GTAIII was a PS2 exclusive, but then it came to PC, oh and Xbox.

 

Rockstar are known skippers of deals. Don't be surprised if they do it.

Now, I am convinced not to be buying a 360. Thank you svip. I hope your words are true. icon14.gif

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LunaticBrandon

 

Microsoft doesn't own the DLC, they own the DLC as much as Sony owns GTA IV, they are just the f*cking publishers, learn a thing or two about business, niggas.

 

If Rockstar wanted to, and Sony begged enough, they could easily release for the PS3.  It was like when we thought GTAIII was a PS2 exclusive, but then it came to PC, oh and Xbox.

 

Rockstar are known skippers of deals.  Don't be surprised if they do it.

Now, I am convinced not to be buying a 360. Thank you svip. I hope your words are true. icon14.gif

He is full of sh*t. Microsoft payed to 50 million to fund the DLC being made. So they are the only reason there is any DLC being made. If microsoft hadn't payed the 50 million there would be no DLC. Rockstar's plan was to work on something else but since microsoft was willing to fund it rockstar said they would do it. So it belongs to microsoft.

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nlitement
hope

..is the only thing you've got.

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Knife

 

Microsoft doesn't own the DLC, they own the DLC as much as Sony owns GTA IV, they are just the f*cking publishers, learn a thing or two about business, niggas.

 

If Rockstar wanted to, and Sony begged enough, they could easily release for the PS3.  It was like when we thought GTAIII was a PS2 exclusive, but then it came to PC, oh and Xbox.

 

Rockstar are known skippers of deals.  Don't be surprised if they do it.

As far as I know, Sony never paid R* $50 mil to keep the releases of GTA coming to PS2 exlusively.

 

There is no way MS paid $50 mil for a timed exclusive on some DLC. That would be a large amount even for a timed exclusive of the whole game. I'm sure the deal wasn't "Okay, have 50 million so we can publish the DLC. Oh and this isn't an exclusive publishing agreement, so you are welcome to publish it with someone else."

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GuruAskew

 

If Rockstar wanted to, and Sony begged enough, they could easily release for the PS3. It was like when we thought GTAIII was a PS2 exclusive, but then it came to PC, oh and Xbox.

 

You can't be serious.

 

Obviously Microsoft got some sort of guarantee that this couldn't happen when they forked over their $50 million.

 

It's like you think Microsoft gave Rockstar $50 million in cash in a brown paper bag and the whole thing was sealed with a handshake.

 

This is a contract between Microsoft and Rockstar. Rockstar got their $50 million, Microsoft got access to the content and a guarantee that Sony doesn't have access.

 

Derp!

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Jackoozy

Well it's possible that sooner or later PC gamers will get their DLCs, but only after the release of the second episode, which is rumored to be done on summer 2009. So I can say that if R* ports them, that will happen somewhere in February 2010.

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Big Danny K

I hop Lost and Damned will be released on PC...

I always wanted to play a biker...

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wesley123

there is a big chance of a dlc on pc.

 

Microsoft paid 50 mil for a DLC, but did they pay it to only have it for the xbox? as far as i know not, and as the games for windows is owned by microsoft there is a big chance getting it for the pc too.

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GuruAskew

 

Microsoft paid 50 mil for a DLC, but did they pay it to only have it for the xbox? as far as i know not, and as the games for windows is owned by microsoft there is a big chance getting it for the pc too.

 

Actually everything says it's exclusive to Xbox 360 and Xbox Live. Not Games for Windows. Xbox 360.

 

I actually think PC DLC is within the realm of possibility (unlike PS3 DLC, which is simply not going to happen) but for now it's firmly and explicitly 360-exclusive.

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hope

..is the only thing you've got.

Indeed. I hope ps3 will get the DLC. But as Svip said, Gta III was ps2 only. How did it come out on xbox and pc? Explain this please?

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GuruAskew

 

Indeed. I hope ps3 will get the DLC. But as Svip said, Gta III was ps2 only. How did it come out on xbox and pc? Explain this please?

 

I will explain this:

 

Sony didn't pay Rockstar $50 million to keep those games off the Xbox.

 

They undoubtedly paid them something for the timed exclusive but that sum of money was apparently unremarkable because it's not reported anywhere. It's safe to assume that it was just your average, run-of-the mill deal.

 

Microsoft, on the other hand, paid Rockstar for additional content. That's not a full game, mind you, but content for an existing game, and the amount of money ($50 million) is unprecedented.

 

Basically Sony paid less for a full game and it was a timed exclusive. Microsoft paid more for content so it's an apples-and-oranges situation. You can't use the PS2's timed exclusives on III, VC and SA as a precedent for this.

 

Ultimately Microsoft paid Rockstar a huge amount of money to keep this content off of the PS3 and PS3 owners just need to accept that and move on, whether that means dealing with the fact that they won't play it or getting a 360 so they can play it.

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Tobias Rieper
Microsoft doesn't own the DLC, they own the DLC as much as Sony owns GTA IV, they are just the f*cking publishers, learn a thing or two about business, niggas.

 

If Rockstar wanted to, and Sony begged enough, they could easily release for the PS3. It was like when we thought GTAIII was a PS2 exclusive, but then it came to PC, oh and Xbox.

 

Rockstar are known skippers of deals. Don't be surprised if they do it.

If you are not trolling and actually believe this, than you are truly retarded.

 

No offence.

 

If they would release DLC on ps3 without agreement from M$, they would be breaking their contract with M$.

 

And they would have to pay huge fines if M$ would sue them. (which they would certainly do)

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Indeed. I hope ps3 will get the DLC. But as Svip said, Gta III was ps2 only. How did it come out on xbox and pc? Explain this please?

 

I will explain this:

 

Sony didn't pay Rockstar $50 million to keep those games off the Xbox.

 

They undoubtedly paid them something for the timed exclusive but that sum of money was apparently unremarkable because it's not reported anywhere. It's safe to assume that it was just your average, run-of-the mill deal.

 

Microsoft, on the other hand, paid Rockstar for additional content. That's not a full game, mind you, but content for an existing game, and the amount of money ($50 million) is unprecedented.

 

Basically Sony paid less for a full game and it was a timed exclusive. Microsoft paid more for content so it's an apples-and-oranges situation. You can't use the PS2's timed exclusives on III, VC and SA as a precedent for this.

 

Ultimately Microsoft paid Rockstar a huge amount of money to keep this content off of the PS3 and PS3 owners just need to accept that and move on, whether that means dealing with the fact that they won't play it or getting a 360 so they can play it.

Thanks for the explanation.

I guess I will just have to wait for Ps3 DLC. If their is no speculation about Sony ps3 DLC for gta 4, then I guess I will get a 360.

@Tobias- if Microsoft sue R* which they will if they give the DLC to the ps3, then R* won't produce any games for the xbox. tounge.gif

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Svip
Microsoft doesn't own the DLC, they own the DLC as much as Sony owns GTA IV, they are just the f*cking publishers, learn a thing or two about business, niggas.

 

If Rockstar wanted to, and Sony begged enough, they could easily release for the PS3.  It was like when we thought GTAIII was a PS2 exclusive, but then it came to PC, oh and Xbox.

 

Rockstar are known skippers of deals.  Don't be surprised if they do it.

If you are not trolling and actually believe this, than you are truly retarded.

 

No offence.

 

If they would release DLC on ps3 without agreement from M$, they would be breaking their contract with M$.

 

And they would have to pay huge fines if M$ would sue them. (which they would certainly do)

I admit I forgot about the 50mil, but still, why would Microsoft see an extra value in selling the DLC on the PS3? I find it hard to believe that Microsoft and Sony really cannot sell their own stuff on each other machines.

 

A title is only a single console-exclusive as long as it makes any economical sense. It is true that Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are really to pull out the big wallet when it comes to exclusive titles. But often it is only a limited exclusive. I admit though, that the chances of the DLC appearing to the PS3 are limited.

 

That being said, Microsoft does not own the DLC, they signed a contract with Take2 to keep it exclusive, i.e. so Take2 wouldn't sell it anywhere else. But Microsoft may only want to keep it as exclusive as now for a limited time only. In case, they wish to release it for the PC, which I doubt (due in part to the complications of releasing "DLC"s for PC), they would have to restructure their contract, and then Take2 may likely required that they can also sell it for the PS3.

 

So... in other words, if it comes for the PC, it will come for the PS3 (assuming, obviously that Take2 ceases the chance). The contract is signed for the Xbox 360, not "Microsoft platforms". Take2 would not be that stupid to make such a vague contract.

 

But the real question is whether Microsoft is actually willing to "de-exclusivefy" the DLC. They might, if it doesn't sell so well on the Xbox 360.

 

As one pointed out, if they paid 50million dollars, they would prefer to see at least those money return, preferably a double (I am not familiar with how much it has to be to be considered a "success"), which would be 100 million dollars.

 

If each copy costs 25 dollars, it is not hard to do the math that would require 4 million copies of the DLC sold. Given how as of August, 2008, 10 million had bought the game (according to Take2 themselves), and about 60% of those are 360 users (e.g. 6 million), that would require 66% of the 360 GTAIV purchasers to buy it. Though 33% to pay it in.

 

But I don't see that happening. Microsoft may reconsider their deal.

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markiij

nah maybe on PC but not on ps3, they didn't pay for nothing right:).

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Svip
nah maybe on PC but not on ps3, they didn't pay for nothing right:).

Perhaps. But I am still wondering actually now, how much interested Sony is in the DLC? I mean, it may seem great and all, but is it really worth it? Financially. Like another topic asked; is it really that great?

 

Sony is going to ponder the same question, and while they are probably now going to be furiously attempting to get it on the PS3, if they could have a shot at it, they might not be so interested if the sales are really showing up.

 

Interestingly enough, in order for Microsoft to actually be interested in selling it elsewhere, the sale on the Xbox 360 would have to be so terrible, it didn't make the cut. Alternatively, however, if the sales are through the roof, they may even consider selling it elsewhere to squeeze more money out of it.

 

But the latter is unlikely, and then Sony will likely be interested in it. Hm, but I forget that Microsoft cannot distribute on the PS3, so it would have to be a move made by Take2 if anything.

 

Hm, personally, I will have to conclude that a DLC for the PS3 is going to be very very unlikely. It is more likely to see it in the form of a completely new DLC that they made in deal with Sony, but I doubt that very much.

 

But we'll see.

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LitoBX
hope

..is the only thing you've got.

Indeed. I hope ps3 will get the DLC. But as Svip said, Gta III was ps2 only. How did it come out on xbox and pc? Explain this please?

Oh my Jesus in heaven.

 

GTA III couldn't be exclusive to Playstation 2 only for ever because Rockstar made it.

Now for The Lost and Damned, Microsoft paid to have it made, which means it's theirs.

 

JESUS f*ckING CHRIST.

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GuruAskew

 

I admit I forgot about the 50mil, but still, why would Microsoft see an extra value in selling the DLC on the PS3?

 

They're competitors and as it stands Microsoft's console is more appealing because it's the only way to get this content. Even if they allowed Sony to sell it and they got all the money from the DLC downloads (which would obviously never happen) why would they settle for $20 when they can get you to buy an entire 360 for $200+ if they make it exclusive?

 

 

I find it hard to believe that Microsoft and Sony really cannot sell their own stuff on each other machines.

 

 

Again, it's about competition. They could all play nicey-nice and put all the content on all the machines but when you do what Microsoft has done in the case of GTAIV DLC they have essentially taken sales away from the PS3 and claimed them as their own and that obviously makes good business sense for Microsoft.

 

 

 

A title is only a single console-exclusive as long as it makes any economical sense

 

and if Rockstar's projection for PS3 DLC sales was less than what Microsoft offered them then it obviously makes economic sense. For all we know Rockstar only stood to make $45 million off of PS3 DLC, so if Microsoft comes to them and offers them more money to make it for them alone that makes economic sense.

 

 

It is true that Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony are really to pull out the big wallet when it comes to exclusive titles. But often it is only a limited exclusive.

 

Yeah but I've never heard of anyone paying $50 million for third-party content so even if it is a timed exclusive it could be timed at 100 years for all you now. I imagine $50 million buys a lot of time.

 

 

That being said, Microsoft does not own the DLC, they signed a contract with Take2 to keep it exclusive, i.e. so Take2 wouldn't sell it anywhere else. But Microsoft may only want to keep it as exclusive as now for a limited time only. In case, they wish to release it for the PC, which I doubt (due in part to the complications of releasing "DLC"s for PC), they would have to restructure their contract, and then Take2 may likely required that they can also sell it for the PS3.

 

Or Take2 may have given Microsoft complete control over the content when they took their $50 million. All signs point to this, and again, I'd think that $50 million buys them a lot of control.

 

 

So... in other words, if it comes for the PC, it will come for the PS3 (assuming, obviously that Take2 ceases the chance). The contract is signed for the Xbox 360, not "Microsoft platforms". Take2 would not be that stupid to make such a vague contract.

 

Um, no. As-is Microsoft stands to sell a lot of 360's because that's the only way to play the DLC. Somewhere down the line if they determien that DLC-based consoel sales are dying up it may make economic sense for them to open the content up to PC owners because they get money for that, too.

 

Making the content available on PS3 doesn't benefit Microsoft at all (and keeping it off does benefit them) and that's why it will never happen.

 

 

But the real question is whether Microsoft is actually willing to "de-exclusivefy" the DLC. They might, if it doesn't sell so well on the Xbox 360.

 

Why? This makes no sense. So it bombs (and it won't, it's GTA, it will do incredibly well) and Microsoft says "I know, let's give the 2 people considering DLC for this content the option of just playing it on PS3!"

 

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

 

As one pointed out, if they paid 50million dollars, they would prefer to see at least those money return, preferably a double (I am not familiar with how much it has to be to be considered a "success"), which would be 100 million dollars.

 

If each copy costs 25 dollars, it is not hard to do the math that would require 4 million copies of the DLC sold. Given how as of August, 2008, 10 million had bought the game (according to Take2 themselves), and about 60% of those are 360 users (e.g. 6 million), that would require 66% of the 360 GTAIV purchasers to buy it. Though 33% to pay it in.

 

It's practically impossible to say if this worked because it can't be measured in DLC sales alone. Things like sales of the game inspired by the inevitable DLC (this is the main reason why the 360 version outsold the PS3 version) and console sales that happened in anticipation of the DLC need to be factored in too and it's harder to pinpoint those. Odds are, Microsoft has already made their $50 million back before the DLC is even released. But again, even if that's not the case letting Sony in on the action isn't going to help Microsoft.

 

 

But I don't see that happening. Microsoft may reconsider their deal

 

Naw, Microsoft is doing very well and I'm sure they're very happy with the deal.

 

It's Sony that's regretting the way things went down.

 

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