gta iv pc poor sales

[ShXIII]

Good and I only hope it gets worse for them because all they are going to do is piss off more and more PC gamers once they realize they bought a 50 dollar P.O.S. I dont want to see rockstar fail on the PC by any means but if this is what rockstar has in store for the future of PC gaming then f*ck em Ill take my money elsewhere.

[bricklayer]

Squeaky wheels get the grease...

 

 

I have now had 2 transmissions replaced, 2 clutches, my exhaust leaks in 3 places from cracking, the windshield wiper motor dies a week again, and just yesterday she spun a cam.

 

Maybe if you spoke up they would figure out that something is very wrong. If only a few speak up in the face of a real problem, then it will be dismissed (aka only 1% are having trouble).

 

The problem here is that people are venting in the wrong direction. R* might not care what people are saying in the forums, but when their inbox fill up with complaints - they'll take notice. It will no longer be 1% and excusable.

 

I'm sure there are people weary of installing SecuRom and choose to pirate it instead. I won't buy any game that uses starforce as it already claimed the life of a DVD-ROM and forced me to do a clean install. For instance, (to be honest) I pirated F.E.A.R. because it used starforce, but I really wanted the multiplayer. Later they released a free multiplayer version of the game (all the multi stuff from the retail) and I was in heaven. Later they re-released F.E.A.R. but this time without starforce. And even though I already had beaten the SP and was playing the free MP, I bought the retail starforce free version to support the franchise and to make a point. It was a great game and I loved playing it, but nothing in the world could convince me to buy the retail starforce protected version.

 

What's really silly about all the DRM and copy protection crap, is that it's cracked BEFORE the game even hits the shelf's (no joke). There is a website that keeps track of P2P traffic (don't remember the name off hand), but on average, a pirated version of a game is released online 1 to 2 weeks BEFORE it appears at a retail store.

 

The requirements and security to play a game are getting out of hand (SecuRom, Social Club, MS Live, Steam, etc). I don't really care about MS Live (MS anything really) or some Social thing and I'm installing the no-cd the first chance I get. It's just a flipping game for Pete's sake.

 

All you have to do to stop pirates (well, the ones that can afford it anyhow) is: Make a good game.

 

It's really, that easy.

[LSD T]

All you have to do to stop pirates (well, the ones that can afford it anyhow) is: Make a good game.

 

It's really, that easy.

Absolutely spot on!

[gta-man22]

All you have to do to stop pirates (well, the ones that can afford it anyhow) is: Make a good game.

 

It's really, that easy.

Absolutely spot on!

i totally agree , i enjoy buying my legal left 4 dead because its one of the games that i KNOW that will run well on my pc, and i know that valve will not LET IT DIE (plus they dont use like 3 programs to make a game run, only 1 and it dont f*ck up your pc aka DRM), they make patchs all the time, and rockstar?? 1 patch that sucks??? heheheh i enjoy *********** gta 4 too.

[ThatsCool]

Yes valve is optimizing theyre games great!

I Love the source ngine so great optimized man

[nicotin3]

Bitching and moaning had its time, its understandable because the game was highly anticipated, it couldnt fail... but it did and everyone got pissed and needed to vent.

Its time to stop, dissing R* and the game isnt helping anyone, not us and not them to help us.

 

If you feel like your life is over, take the game back, buy a knife and cut your wrists, whatever...

If you have tech probs and really want to get the best of it, use the tech support forum section, describe the problem and post detailed system specifications, you wont have divine intervention solving your problem but maybe it will help the devs diagnose and fix the problem in a upcoming patch.

 

I have problems too, my game stutters like mad but i waited too f*cking long for this game to let it go. I have it, i can play it (SP and online) and the game is too f*cking good to let go, it deserves to be fixed and they already anounced that they intend to fix it and make it a better experience.

 

Many people sound like they want the game to fail because they are pissed and dont want this to happen again but they are accomplishing nothing but pissing on their own beer.

Let the guys fix the game, i played online free mode till the sun rised and i had the best gaming time of 2008, the game is terrific, but it needs to be fixed...

 

[Mr Heckler]

Pretty much as expected, those that didn't steal it just bitched and whined till it killed off any remaining sales and we wonder why the PC gaming industry is in such a state.

 

It's in this state because of two things

 

1: People downloading stuff

2: Companies releasing bugged and incomplete games.

 

Both are to blame and it's never a good idea to try and lay the blame at one sides feet... Because it's always laid at the feet of the people who download... and the majority of those do so because they are tired of being treated badly by games companies. The rest will never buy anyway so don't even factor into the equation.

 

News that EA is to release games DRM free through steam is a smart move... others will have to follow suit if the big names start doing it.

 

Rockstar will have to adapt or see one of the biggest franchises in PC gaming slip away from them... The ball is firmly in their court and it always has been... Time to pick it up and finish the game.. so to speak.

[rss334]

To Rockstar

 

Burn me once - shame on you

Burn me twice - shame on me

 

Never again Rockstar, I promise you will not see another dime of my money

[ThatsCool]

You must think that many people only have a low end pc not a high end pc

[biggeo]

and the first bad reviews are here:http://news.bigdownload.com/2008/12/22/review-grand-theft-auto-iv-pc/

First bad reviews were from a week ago SEE THREAD

 

but when I wrote it down most called me and anyone had problems with the game, whiners

 

And with so many bugs, drop on sales wassomething anyone could expect.

 

 

[biggeo]

 

Bitching and moaning had its time, its understandable because the game was highly anticipated, it couldnt fail... but it did and everyone got pissed and needed to vent.

Its time to stop, dissing R* and the game isnt helping anyone, not us and not them to help us.

 

They don't help themselves from first place ,by release a buggy port ,which was just for consoles. Any PC game that respect itself at least has a slider for AA.

 

 

If you feel like your life is over, take the game back, buy a knife and cut your wrists, whatever...

If you have tech probs and really want to get the best of it, use the tech support forum section, describe the problem and post detailed system specifications, you wont have divine intervention solving your problem but maybe it will help the devs diagnose and fix the problem in a upcoming patch.

 

Life not over cause of a buggy release, and the tech support forum lead us nowhere.

All the problems users had made R* to release a patch that made things worse. That's for the first few days. We hear no word from them the last 10 days,

 

 

I have problems too, my game stutters like mad but i waited too f*cking long for this game to let it go. I have it, i can play it (SP and online) and the game is too f*cking good to let go, it deserves to be fixed and they already anounced that they intend to fix it and make it a better experience.

 

 

You can play it. Many people can't play it but still we waiting for a patch that fix the things. No one of us wanted to let it go, but drop on sales and bad reviews were expected.

 

 

Many people sound like they want the game to fail because they are pissed and dont want this to happen again but they are accomplishing nothing but pissing on their own beer.

Let the guys fix the game, i played online free mode till the sun rised and i had the best gaming time of 2008, the game is terrific, but it needs to be fixed...

 

No one want the game fail, cause all of us in here we experienced Vice city and San Andreas gaming and we knew what mean to play GTA. But you can't judge people who pissed with the game ,cause they gave their money for a game they can't play. (Personally I prefer a new fixed release come out, and buy it and threw away the one I have now). But most of people don't have such comfort.

 

[mva5580]

Sales (or lack thereof) of this game in particular are a perfect example of PC Gaming and how people ignore the REAL issues with PC gaming and instead just want to throw it at the feet of piracy. (Which, just so people know where I'm coming from, sickens me. I hate it when people pirate and I NEVER do it)

 

If PC Gamers are anything, they're perfectionists. We don't expect "decent," we don't expect "passable," we expect GREATNESS. This platform is the most powerful, most versatile, most able out there to bring the best possible experience to gamers. And when a game isn't great, it doesn't sell. Period. And when it is great, a solid PC game will absolutely sell like crazy. e.g. The Sims, World of Warcraft, original Warcraft series, Starcraft, Diablo, Half Life, Civilization, SimCity, Sins of a Solar Empire, Morrowind, Oblivion, Battlefield, Call of Duty, and the list goes on. And what do all of those games have in common? They were made with the PC in mind from the start, if not exclusive.

 

When you create these crap ports and release them 8 MONTHS after the game is initially released on consoles, what the hell do you expect? I'd really love to see these companies grow some balls and create these games from the ground up for BOTH the PC and consoles and release them at the exact same time, I really would. Because we as PC Gamers damn well KNOW that when it's worked on, the PC version is best. Period-End-Of-Story. And it's not even debatable. But when you give us late, buggy, unoptimized dog piss, we're really not interested, if you haven't noticed. But that's the way they want it, because of how the console market has been shaped. Companies like MS, Sony, Take Two, EA, etc, they've left the PC platform behind because it's where all of the "hardcore" users are. You know, people who actually have expectations and aren't going to put up with this kind of garbage.

 

I've been playing PC games for, oh I don't know, FOREVER, and this is about as piss-poor of a high-profile release as I've ever seen. And if I had a crap computer, I'd keep my mouth shut because I wouldn't know the difference. But to have a quad core CPU, 4gb RAM, and a 1gb ATI 4870 and to be infinitely frustrated with how ANY game runs in 2008 is a disgrace. And these people should be flat ashamed of themselves, but why do I get the feeling they don't see it that way? But you know what, screw it. I've said my peace, and until this game is patched and can actually run at an acceptable fps, or 2010 where hardware exists to qualify as a "future proof PC," it's going on the shelf. I've got Fallout 3, World of Warcraft, Sins of a Solar Empire, Spore, and NBA2K9 to keep me busy for the forseeable future.

 

You know, games that actually run worth a damn.

[biggeo]

Pretty much as expected, those that didn't steal it just bitched and whined till it killed off any remaining sales and we wonder why the PC gaming industry is in such a state.

Well if you like to pay to be a beta tester then you can. But most they didn't like it and the results came.

[DML]

This topic's been discussed before, but I will add my part here as well.

 

I see this game's poor sales primarily-attributed to three things...

 

1) Many who would have bought it on the PC bought it on console back around April.

2) The complaints about how piss-poor the port is were up around the internet just hours after it was released.

3) People KNOW it is a console port, and one that is 7-months late, so they may just say "ahh no thanks".

 

We WILL see another GTA game on PC, and it will be done with a similar level of care as this port has been done with (very low). They don't do this for respect. They don't do this out of guilt because they KNOW they screwed the PC gamers over. They do this for one thing only - money. Unfortunately for Rockstar, that focus they have...their twisted set of priorities...will eventually spell the death of them and the GTA series on not just the PC, but the consoles as well.

[DXWarlock]

 

Well if you like to pay to be a beta tester then you can. But most they didn't like it and the results came.

I have yet to see a game released thats a big title that this statement isnt beat to death on..

 

EVERY mmo made, every A+ title made..forums full of people screaming "why are we paying to beta test?"

it gets old.

 

make the perfect game, someone somewhere cant run it and will complain they are beta testing it to find bugs to fix.

make a bad game someone somewhere cant run it and will complain they are beta testing it to find bugs to fix.

 

its the "cant please everyone" problem.

[TruXter]

Pretty much as expected, those that didn't steal it just bitched and whined till it killed off any remaining sales and we wonder why the PC gaming industry is in such a state.

QUOTED FOR THE TRUTH

[qwertz123]

 

Pretty much as expected, those that didn't steal it just bitched and whined till it killed off any remaining sales and we wonder why the PC gaming industry is in such a state.

QUOTED FOR THE TRUTH

what charlie tries to say here is that he's just a dick. you did right in quoting it for the truth!

 

 

Yes valve is optimizing theyre games great!

I Love the source ngine so great optimized man

they just sell you the cakes from last christmas but you don't get it.

 

 

All you have to do to stop pirates (well, the ones that can afford it anyhow) is: Make a good game.

 

It's really, that easy.

Absolutely spot on!

right, cause without the pirates gta4 for pc wouldn't be in such a state like we have it now. are you really so naive?

Edited December 23, 2008 by qwertz123

[gta-man22]

well , rockstar get what they want: no sales, angry legal customers and angry pirate customers. Go back to your consoles rockstar kids

 

[qwertz123]

http://www.ecetia.com/wp-content/uploads/2...rockstar360.jpg

oh dear!

[soylomass]

I know that you thought that if your computer was able to run GTA:SA at MAX it would be able to run GTA IV at MAX too. But NO, time runs, GTA:IV is one of the best PC games ive played in my life, it doesnt matter if you cant run it with MAX settings, the game is what matters, the history, the gameplay, the physics. So if you think it is a bad game becouse you can MAX it, you arent a gamer. Thats all folks.

[gta-man22]

I know that you thought that if your computer was able to run GTA:SA at MAX it would be able to run GTA IV at MAX too. But NO, time runs, GTA:IV is one of the best PC games ive played in my life, it doesnt matter if you cant run it with MAX settings, the game is what matters, the history, the gameplay, the physics. So if you think it is a bad game becouse you can MAX it, you arent a gamer. Thats all folks.

wtf dude, the history and all is great, we dont are saying that the GAME is bad, the OPTIMISATION is sh*t, not the game

[CEMEH_CEMEHbl4]

Pretty much as expected, those that didn't steal it just bitched and whined till it killed off any remaining sales and we wonder why the PC gaming industry is in such a state.

QUOTED FOR THE TRUTH

lol GTA4 is not the only one GAME,you know

there is other gta-like games also, like Saint Row 2 (30 jan. 2009)

 

and Cockstar - not the only one developer,you know

 

if Cockstar will not make GTA5 for PC

there is always be better DEVS which can make even better game...

 

"PC gaming industry is in such a state." lol

 

now ask yourself if gaming industry is "in such a state" why Blizzard still continue to produce games such Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 - and still get 25-50 millions sales per each! haha

 

not like poor 1 million sales for a regular "retarded EA game" like Gears of War

 

ask yourself (if you not a retard)

 

good luck

[x8681150]

 

they thought they werent imune to poor game planing and lauched this crap ,,,these are the resuls:........................................................................................................     http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56495

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Weekly PC Sales: Grand Theft Auto 4 PC Disappears; Left 4 Dead, Call of Duty Gain Ground

by Chris Faylor Dec 22, 2008 12:24pm CST tags: NPD, PC Sales, Software Sales

Sales-tracking firm NPD has issued its latest take on PC software sales at United States retailers, charting the ten best-selling games from December 7-13, 2008.

 

Following its debut at #7 last week, the PC release of Grand Theft Auto IV has dropped out of the top ten. Both Call of Duty: World at War and Left 4 Dead have moved up the chart, while Lich King, Spore, Fallout 3 and some others clung to their previous spots.

 

   1. World Of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King / Blizzard / $39 (Average)

   2. Spore / EA Maxis / $47 (Average)

   3. Call Of Duty: World At War / Treyarch / $46 (Average)

   4. Left 4 Dead / Valve / $43 (Average)

   5. Fallout 3 / Bethesda / $43 (Average)

   6. The Sims 2 Deluxe / EA Maxis / $20 (Average)

   7. The Sims 2 Apartment Life Exp. Pack / EA Maxis / $17 (Average)

   8. Bejewled Twist / PopCap / $17 (Average)

   9. World Of Warcraft Battle Chest / Blizzard / $34 (Average)

  10. The Sims 2 Mansion & Garden Stuff Exp. / EA Maxis / $18 (Avera

thanks god....this is what they pay for poor pc support and arrogance they thought they where invencible ,and the people spoke and prevailed check out this link :http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/12/18/taketwo-gta-games-markets-equity-cx_mji_1218markets15.htmGTA IV Fails To Boost Take-Two

Mary Jane Irwin, 12.18.08, 11:35 AM EST

The games publisher reports a disappointing, $15 million loss for its fourth quarter.

Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc.

12/22/2008 4:00PM ET

 

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12/22/2008 4:00PM ET

 

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"Grand Theft Auto IV," the dramatic blockbuster that stole game players' hearts, minds and allowances during the first half of 2008, failed to boost Take-Two Interactive's bottom line during the fourth quarter. The New York City-based publisher reported a loss of $15.0 million on Wednesday, throwing the stock into a tailspin on Thursday.

 

Shares of Take-Two dropped 25.8%, or $3.11, to $8.96 on Thursday morning after the company reported a loss of $15.0 million for its fourth quarter ended Oct. 31. During the same period last year, it saw a loss of $7.1 million. Earnings per share came in at a loss of 20 cents compared to a loss of 10 cents in 2007. Sales increased 10.5%, to $323.4 million, boosted primarily by sales of its racing title "Midnight Club: Los Angeles."

 

Take-Two's financial welfare tends to fluctuate along with the release of its best-selling "Grand Theft Auto" franchise and its fourth-quarter results seem to have suffered from waning sales of "GTA IV" and the slow start of its other major release, "Midnight Club: Los Angeles."

 

The company blamed some of its losses on the $7.1 million spent on legal and professional fees spent defending itself from a $2.0 billion hostile bid from Electronic Arts (nasdaq: ERTS - news - people )

 

Instigated in February, Electronic Arts' offer of $25.75 a share for control of Take-Two was constantly thwarted by chairman Strauss Zelnick, who believed his stock holders were getting a bad deal. He claimed the company's intellectual property, in particular "Grand Theft Auto" and its main visionaries Dan and Sam Houser, were worth significantly more.

 

Electronic Arts walked away from the deal in September, which seems to have been a wise move.

 

For its fiscal year ended Oct. 31, Take-Two tallied earnings of $97.1 million, compared to a loss of $138.4 million in 2007. Earnings per share reached $1.28 compared to a loss of $1.93 in its last fiscal year.

 

Without a major release during its first quarter 2009 ending Jan. 31, Take-Two expects to report a loss of between 70 cents per share and 85 cents per share. Earnings per share for fiscal year 2009 are projected at between 0 cents and 20 cents.

 

Take-Two Interactive (nasdaq: TTWO - news - people ) is expected to release the first of two "Grand Theft Auto IV" episodes that will be available for download on the Xbox 360, in early 2009. But the "GTA" add-on and news that its creators, Dan and Sam Houser, have renewed their contract with the company through Jan. 31, 2012 were not enough to stop the stock from plummeting on Thursday.

Edited December 23, 2008 by x8681150

[x8681150]

read this latest news on rockstar and their stocks going down because of the pc version http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/12/18/t...8markets15.html

Edited December 23, 2008 by x8681150

[One-time]

 

wtf dude, the history and all is great, we dont are saying that the GAME is bad, the OPTIMISATION is sh*t, not the game

Well said. it's not about the freakin low hardware and sh*t, but it's all about game codes. You can see here, these guys test the game on an uber machine and they can't get it fully playable. The game itself is a masterpiece, it deserves to be The best game of 2008, but it doesn't deserve to be The best PC game of 2008. It lacks of optimization, that's all.

[DML]

 

...It lacks of optimization, that's all.

But criticizing Rockstar because they've done a sh*t, piss-poor job at porting the game to PC, is just too harsh for some. I don't believe so. Imagine if Rockstar was not made well-aware of the problems with the port...where would we be then? Rockstar would probably already be on their jolly, merry old way with their next console game. Thankfully, they now KNOW the problems people are having, and whether they fix them or not, at-least they and most of the gaming population knows, just how bad a port they've done.

[TruXter]

Oh man. Those news articles are from famous places

that means everything in the world.

 

clowns.

[kbundy023]

Rofl so I am now a thief, Rockstar collaborator and I am secretly working for Rockstar Toronto now.  The fact is I am a normal PC gamer like the rest of you guys and some of the whinging that has been done on this forum has been embarrassing.  Right now I wouldn't be at all surprised if Rockstar just said "f*ck it" to the PC format and if you think that is something to celebrate then you are quite honestly the biggest moron on the planet.

What actually is moronic is trying to distort reality by suggesting that a QX top line Quad and 280 GTX GPU ought not to eek out anything other than a lousy 25+ FPS.

What is utterly moronic is to suggest that a sh*t, half arsed port deserves support and praise to high heavens so that they may one day make another half arsed et cetera.

 

I'll never forget my first personal computer game installation, Horace Goes Skiing and being decidedly underwhelmed, luckily i had a truly next gen title to toy with, the game being Monty Mole.

 

I played GTAIV on the PS3 and was entertained but could hardly wait for the release on the only platform to really take it up a notch, what we got was criminal theft.

In all my years of gaming never have I seen such a shoddy half arsed port.

 

Then again it was the pirates what ruined it...

 

Time for honesty for once ...would you trust R* Toronto to port over Pong, no doubt you'll state 32 FPS at 1st service dropping to 10FPS once the action really hots up is a fantastic achievement for such a technically advanced game.

 

You talk about embarrassing, yet seem completely oblivious to how your specious blind praise only serves the notion that you're not being wholly honest with yourself, if not us.

 

 

Street Mix

And Live, Social Club and SecuROM aren't big problem for those who bought the game.

It is a massive problem and absolute disgraceful imposition to have inflicted that rootkit virus sh*t on our machines to play what is essentially a poorly ported 360 game with only ever so slightly improved textures.

If anyone is killing the PC gaming industry it is greedy thieving publishers serving up overpriced and below par quality tat.

Like the music industry ate itself with their sheer greed, i.e. radioheads experiment of free downloads for a month and you can choose to pay what you want from £0.00 upwards, they made more in one month than all their previous hugely successful albums, such was the stark greed of the music industry.

I don't think pirate copy is the main issue. I think the gameplay for GTA 4 have completely reduced after the GTA 3 even the vehicle available in the game. I think they put too much Graphics and Physics to the game to make it look great but lacking the gameplay.

 

I don't usually buy the game when they first came out until they had reduced the price, this time I did bought it. Then the game really pissed me off. Although the game looks better compare with the previous version of GTA but they had reduced the gameplay alot.

 

Before I bought this game, I was expected the map of the game would be larger or close to the previous version but it was not the case when I started to play the game.

 

Even the multiplayer game it is boring. The map is too big to play like unreal tournament style.

 

I have completed the game and find it boring to get to 100% coz there is nothing to do in the game.

[CEMEH_CEMEHbl4]

I don't think pirate copy is the main issue. I think the gameplay for GTA 4 have completely reduced after the GTA 3 even the vehicle available in the game. I think they put too much Graphics and Physics to the game to make it look great but lacking the gameplay.

 

agree,i also think that single is really boring

 

for example in Hitman i can kill people in any way which i want...

but in GTA4 its hardly possible... scripts and triggers is everywhere!!! very often - is only ONE WAY to actually finish a mission...

 

this kind of gameplay is pretty suck for 2009y

San Andreas was more dinamyc and fun...

[qwertz123]

I don't think pirate copy is the main issue. I think the gameplay for GTA 4 have completely reduced after the GTA 3 even the vehicle available in the game. I think they put too much Graphics and Physics to the game to make it look great but lacking the gameplay.

 

agree,i also think that single is really boring

 

for example in Hitman i can kill people in any way which i want...

but in GTA4 its hardly possible... scripts and triggers is everywhere!!! very often - is only ONE WAY to actually finish a mission...

 

this kind of gameplay is pretty suck for 2009y

San Andreas was more dinamyc and fun...

hehe...right.

 

 

iam with mooseoh here. there is just no story, only scripted fragments of some bad bad narrations with allways the same topic: take this guy out. i mean even reading the package description of a chocosnack might be more informativ. i don't feel with niko, cause niko isn't a part of the gameworld. like said before, EVERYONE could done this in the same way. if you do something wrong or make a unexpected move you are faced with the "repeat again" message. IF the devs were not so stringent in their "story telling" than maybe you could get more options to complete a mission and therefore you could give niko a personal touch, based on your decisions. but maybe iam thinking way too far here...