OutOfTimer Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 R* is a corporation that wants to make money. They care about their financial gains. As CharmingCharlie said, if they decide bringing the game to the PC platform is not worth the cost, they won't do it next time. The answer to the question why the consoles are doing better is also very simple and based on sales. Making a console game is cheaper, there's a lower risk of piracy ('cause it's harder to do) and corporations retain full control of their product. That's the ultimate reason - they want to enslave us and consoles are really good for that. And all the kids that don't care about school that much, won't understand it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasez Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 You know what? You can sh*** it in your ass! PC gaming will never die and who cares that GTA IV is not succesfull than other games, it IS the game of the year and the best game ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murcchachosa Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 You know what? You can sh*** it in your ass! PC gaming will never die and who cares that GTA IV is not succesfull than other games, it IS the game of the year and the best game ever! How the hell can you sh*t in your ass???? I sh*t out from my ass. The PC Gaming is actually dying. R* has f*cked up their game with load of bollox and bugs and faults and glitches and that and this. PC users maybe never get certain DLC or always have to wait for half years or more and never will get certain games. That sucks man. Sucks a load of cowbinbagsh*t. PC are the strongest people than these stupid "cukzolz" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nietzsche's God Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 You know what? You can sh*** it in your ass! PC gaming will never die and who cares that GTA IV is not succesfull than other games, it IS the game of the year and the best game ever! How the hell can you sh*t in your ass???? I sh*t out from my ass. The PC Gaming is actually dying. R* has f*cked up their game with load of bollox and bugs and faults and glitches and that and this. PC users maybe never get certain DLC or always have to wait for half years or more and never will get certain games. That sucks man. Sucks a load of cowbinbagsh*t. PC are the strongest people than these stupid "cukzolz" Maybe if you are on a space station or somewhere there isn't any gravity. I don't know but it could be possible to sh*t back into the asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank1138 Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 I think the game would have sold better if the release date had been pushed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 As long as this engine is used, we'll see a GTA release on the PC. And no, PC gaming is not dying, I can still play many of my favorite older titles without a hitch. From time to time there are some nice releases, we just have to wait for consoles and the dlc rubbish to fade out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DML Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 From time to time there are some nice releases... Yeah...but not nearly as many as there was before the console sh*t storm kicked up...at about the time when the XBox entered the market. Now we still see some decent quantities of releases, but games are mostly sh*t these days, and consoles and the whole "graphics is king"-mentality are to blame. Not surprisingly, the "graphics is king"-mentality has been spawned thanks to consoles (which offer crap graphics anyway), and the brain-dead marketing scams orchestrated by their manufacturers (Sony and Microsoft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTA_SA_FREE Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 mine runs like an absolute bag of crap unless i use medium textures specs in sig I need to use low on everything...I need to put shadows and vsync off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard7666 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 (edited) When you release a game that doesn't even run without messing round for 2 hours with absurd and unnecessary software...yeah, justice has indeed been done. I will not be purchasing Rockstar products in the future because of this. It's a good game, even if it does look like sh*t and manage to run like sh*t as well, but I haven't had an experience like this to get a game running since the 90s/early 2000s. Having said that, it runs like sh*t on PS3 too, they even managed to mess that up. Ugh. The answer to the question why the consoles are doing better is also very simple and based on sales. Making a console game is cheaper.... It's actually a lot cheaper to develop for PC. Edited June 25, 2009 by Richard7666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I wouldn't really jump to hasty conclusions like 'not purchasing a R* product again' unless I have experienced the next GTA game. Don't forget that this is the first GTA game on the new RAGE engine. You can't expect R* to get it right the first time. The programmers are human beings just like us, not Gods you know. Remember that even GTA III had issues being the first GTA game on the RenderWare engine. But R* improved upon that brilliantly and delivered us classics like Vice City and San Andreas which had fewer issues than III. So, just be patient and don't discredit R*'s talent just yet. There are better things to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oc student Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I wouldn't really jump to hasty conclusions like 'not purchasing a R* product again' unless I have experienced the next GTA game. Don't forget that this is the first GTA game on the new RAGE engine. You can't expect R* to get it right the first time. The programmers are human beings just like us, not Gods you know. Remember that even GTA III had issues being the first GTA game on the RenderWare engine. But R* improved upon that brilliantly and delivered us classics like Vice City and San Andreas which had fewer issues than III. So, just be patient and don't discredit R*'s talent just yet. There are better things to come. Not to comment on your always helpful mood but if I typed that up then I wouldn't end with a .Obviously this Richard guy thinks it will be the end of the world if he supposedly goes on a R* games hiatus. I don't know what you expect from GTA 4's graphics engine but obviously you have been playing it on Ultra Low settings with everything off. It's a VERY easy process to install and play GTA 4 which only idiots like you could stretch to 2 hours. Insert disk. Wait 10 minutes for the installation to finish. Start game. Register Windows Live username. Click Start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 I just thought that Richard7666 needed something to lighten up his mood and actually have something to look forward to. Most people tend to read too much into the 'poor port' thing without realizing that it's just a sign of better things to come. The fact that R* are still releasing patches for the game in an effort to improve its performance is enough of a reason to not doubt their commitment. And I can only see them doing better in the future and bringing us better GTA games. Light hearted statements like this have to end with a happy smiley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torresno9 Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 i've been hearing that pc gaming has been dying for at least 10 years lol, maybe even longer, been some great games in that time , all the gta's for a start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollercoaster Posted June 25, 2009 Share Posted June 25, 2009 i've been hearing that pc gaming has been dying for at least 10 years lol, maybe even longer, been some great games in that time , all the gta's for a start my inside sources tell me that gta iv is the last game we'll see on the PC. Next game will be console exclusive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I want to be the first to congratulate you Lollercoaster, you are the first person to say the "well according to my sources" I have no doubt you won't be the last. I could counteract with "well MY sources paint a different picture" but I couldn't do that because I am not allowed to tell you what my sources say Instead lets look at this logically, firstly yes sales in the US have been pretty bad. However the planet happens to have a few more countries other than the US. It has been known for a long time that the US is NOT the PC gaming capital of the world. Judging whether the next GTA will appear on the PC solely by looking at US sales is a bit like looking at how many copies of GTA 4 were sold on the Xbox 360 in Japan and coming to the conclusion there is no market for GTA 4 on the Xbox 360. By all accounts sales of GTA 4 in Europe and Asia have been good, not fantastic but "good enough". If I remember correctly GTA 4 was number 1 in the PC charts in several European countries. I have no solid numbers but I don't think it is unfair to guesstimate GTA 4 on the PC must be approaching well over 500,000 copies by now. Ok it is fair enough to say that 500,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to the 10 million GTA 4 sold on the consoles. However NO business can afford to ignore that many paying customers especially in this current economic climate. Then we just need to look at the fact that Rockstar are producing a new retail master, why bother ? If the game hasn't sold that well then surely there must be thousands of unsold copies lying around. Yet here they are produced a new gold master for a new print run. Finally let's look at this logically, Rockstar has now ported the RAGE engine to the PC. The hard and expensive bit is DONE. It would be sheer lunacy to port an engine as extensive as RAGE and just use it for ONE game especially when subsequent GTA's could be easily moved over to the PC since the hard work is now all done. I don't have any doubt in my mind that we will see another GTA on the PC (inspite of the moaners and whingers on here). We will probably have to wait again till well after the console version has come out. That won't change till PC gamers start buying the game in the sort of numbers the console users do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfTimer Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Judging whether the next GTA will appear on the PC solely by looking at US sales is a bit like looking at how many copies of GTA 4 were sold on the Xbox 360 in Japan and coming to the conclusion there is no market for GTA 4 on the Xbox 360. ROFL !!! CharmingCharlie you are the best ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard7666 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) I wouldn't really jump to hasty conclusions like 'not purchasing a R* product again' unless I have experienced the next GTA game. Don't forget that this is the first GTA game on the new RAGE engine. You can't expect R* to get it right the first time. The programmers are human beings just like us, not Gods you know. Remember that even GTA III had issues being the first GTA game on the RenderWare engine. But R* improved upon that brilliantly and delivered us classics like Vice City and San Andreas which had fewer issues than III. So, just be patient and don't discredit R*'s talent just yet. There are better things to come. Not to comment on your always helpful mood but if I typed that up then I wouldn't end with a .Obviously this Richard guy thinks it will be the end of the world if he supposedly goes on a R* games hiatus. I don't know what you expect from GTA 4's graphics engine but obviously you have been playing it on Ultra Low settings with everything off. It's a VERY easy process to install and play GTA 4 which only idiots like you could stretch to 2 hours. Insert disk. Wait 10 minutes for the installation to finish. Start game. Register Windows Live username. Click Start. There's no need to thow a tantrum and go insulting people dude. Act like an adult. On topic, INSTALLATION is easy, yes. You may notice I said RUN, not INSTALL. Before spouting insults it pays to read the post you're referring to. Though yes, *I* am clearly an idiot... Having to scour the internet to find out why R* Social club wouldn't even launch (and thus the game cannot launch), download .NET 3.5, then again scour the internet for the source of an error message on run, install new graphics drivers, and then have hideous shadows on everything even with them set to high...is something I haven't encountered for a very, very long time, new engine or otherwise, and GTA IV seems to have a far higher percentage of people having issues than many other big-budget titles. Edited June 26, 2009 by Richard7666 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoProGratis Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 Stop talking about PC gaming dying cause there was 18% growth in 2008. And you guys have no clue about PC sales. NPD shows only retail copies sell in US. The world is something more than US and online sell is very popular nova days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DML Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 (edited) That won't change till PC gamers start buying the game in the sort of numbers the console users do. Never gonna happen. The PC version (and PC gaming in general) receives next to no promotion, whereas a certain company (which pretends to be a supporter of PC gaming) goes out and makes gaming-industry-hindering devices (consoles) and then floods the market with tripe in order to shift units. They shift sh*t, so they are "sh*t shifters". The problem that exists with the GTA franchise currently is not one bit the fault of PC gamers. Nothing short of matching the advertising campaigns undertaken by Sony and Microsoft, and subsequently bribing "game developers" like Rockstar North etc, will bring these games back to the platform which they work/play best on, live the longest life on, and were born on. Problem since 2000: GTA being released primarily on console (with a large planned delay for the PC version) Entities at fault: Rockstar, Sony, and now Microsoft Edited June 26, 2009 by DML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 It's a VERY easy process to install and play GTA 4 which only idiots like you could stretch to 2 hours. Insert disk. Wait 10 minutes for the installation to finish. Start game. Register Windows Live username. Click Start. http://hellforge.gameriot.com/blogs/Random...A-IV-on-Your-PC Sure thing. This is why we have so many people in troubleshooting section have so many LEGITIMATE problems. Granted, there are many people who don't have a clue, don't read, refuse to search etc. but calling people names because R* released a half broken product that relies on loads of third party software (to successfully play GTAIV you need to have installed and running RGSC, .net framework (which by itself is a sh*tload of bugs and issues), xlive and service packs plus all the issues that arise from securom) is not only stupid but very fanboy like as well. To add on to what DML was saying, the main reasons for PC not being able to match the console selling numbers (in no particular order) 1) piracy - even if there is some on xbox, it's more evident on PC, being the only open platform 2) console gamers are younger in average. While this may not be much, it definitively speaks a lot about when you consider what is the average age the marketing needs to address. It's a lot easier to sell bullcrap to people 14 yeas old then it is to some 20 year old. Not big difference, but the approach tactics changes. Not only do these age groups think differently, but there's quite larger chance the older guy will be buying the games himself and the money we appreciate the most is the money we made by ourselves. 3) the "consoles are dirt cheap" myth. When you factor in the expensive games, subscription fees and all the money and nerves you lose on sending back/purchasing new units are they really that cheap? I won't even mention such terms as functionality, "upgradeability" and durability. 4) the marketing hype and the lack of it on the PC. Imagine if there was this ultra cool game, tons of features and whatnot, everyone would like to play, but it had zero to none marketing - who would buy the game? We usually get a slated release date with consolified gameplay and without any promotion. Sure, compare away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderKnight Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 I want to be the first to congratulate you Lollercoaster, you are the first person to say the "well according to my sources" I have no doubt you won't be the last. I could counteract with "well MY sources paint a different picture" but I couldn't do that because I am not allowed to tell you what my sources say Instead lets look at this logically, firstly yes sales in the US have been pretty bad. However the planet happens to have a few more countries other than the US. It has been known for a long time that the US is NOT the PC gaming capital of the world. Judging whether the next GTA will appear on the PC solely by looking at US sales is a bit like looking at how many copies of GTA 4 were sold on the Xbox 360 in Japan and coming to the conclusion there is no market for GTA 4 on the Xbox 360. By all accounts sales of GTA 4 in Europe and Asia have been good, not fantastic but "good enough". If I remember correctly GTA 4 was number 1 in the PC charts in several European countries. I have no solid numbers but I don't think it is unfair to guesstimate GTA 4 on the PC must be approaching well over 500,000 copies by now. Ok it is fair enough to say that 500,000 is a drop in the ocean compared to the 10 million GTA 4 sold on the consoles. However NO business can afford to ignore that many paying customers especially in this current economic climate. Then we just need to look at the fact that Rockstar are producing a new retail master, why bother ? If the game hasn't sold that well then surely there must be thousands of unsold copies lying around. Yet here they are produced a new gold master for a new print run. Finally let's look at this logically, Rockstar has now ported the RAGE engine to the PC. The hard and expensive bit is DONE. It would be sheer lunacy to port an engine as extensive as RAGE and just use it for ONE game especially when subsequent GTA's could be easily moved over to the PC since the hard work is now all done. I don't have any doubt in my mind that we will see another GTA on the PC (inspite of the moaners and whingers on here). We will probably have to wait again till well after the console version has come out. That won't change till PC gamers start buying the game in the sort of numbers the console users do. So. I totally agree with you. It is a sad thing that if there is a low pc sales in USA. Then the PC gaming is dying. Many of them don't know that USA is not only nation that exist in Earth they are many other. Overall PC gaming will live on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzooo Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Overall PC gaming will live on. No... no it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neon25 Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) Overall PC gaming will live on. No... no it won't. Please leave this topic. As long as there will be computers produced, there will be games made for it, period. And the "PC gaming is going to die" bullsh*t has been going on for what? 15 years? If anything, I have seen the PC market grow stronger, especially now when the difference between the quality the PC offers and the consoles is so big. This and the MMO games, this will keep the market alive (do I need to remind you WoW has over 11 million PAYING players? That's 2 million more than there are Xbox360s in Europe.) Edited August 15, 2009 by Neon25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extortionate Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 It's like most other ports, they should have made it a lot more PC friendly. UT3, Gears of War etc.. had the same issues, Rockstar added non opt out Social Club, LIVE, practically no joystick support except a XBox 360 controller, no proper 64bit support(claims this on the box), no proper SLI support, locked settings. Is it any wonder people pirate or don't bother with the game for PC? It's just like other GFW LIVE ports, you have to wait for patches to make the game really worth while. I really like GTV IV, it's a great game but the hoops you have to jump through to play it are terrible. The sample fact is, it's a great game with poor execution on the PC. People will and always have pirated games, it's nothing new. They should just port the game, make it easy and be done with it. The game will be pirated no matter what you do so why bother? Is there any real proof that it really affects sales or visa-versa without anti piracy measures? I have a legal copy and thankfully left it late to buy for good reason based on the above reasons. Dispite all of this, I'm currently enjoying the game and so is my wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackdawg Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 Pretty much as expected, those that didn't steal it just bitched and whined till it killed off any remaining sales and we wonder why the PC gaming industry is in such a state. I was going to say the same. GTA IV PC was cracked and torrented as quick as it the first packages where delivered. They used SecuRom even after seeing what happened to every other vendor who used it. Little kids unpack 7.40 which is the latest build from Sony DADC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermortalhuman Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) The only platform to beat the PC in years and years has been the Wii. I had more to say here, but I put it somewhere else. Edited August 16, 2009 by supermortalhuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM965_X3100 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) What are you guys ranting about??? I own a low end X3100 laptop with 2.0 GHz proccessor, 1024 mb of ram, and 256 mb integrated solution. I can run GTA IV at 40+ fps at medium settings. Where have you guys been? Rockstar has selflessly spent millions of dollars, as means to entirely re-implement GTA IV for PC!!!!! New feautures - No texture popins - 30 fps minimum on multifarious Pc platforms (30 fps + on all 32 bt systems, 35fps+ on all 64 bit systems ) - Choice to toggle level of physics in game - Choice to toggle whether pipeline 2.0 or 1.0 is used - Choice to toggle shadows off or on - Realistic allocation of shadow to varying resolutions[/color] - DLC with 100 hours of new gameplay - All buildings are enterable - 50 new bikes - 4 additional cties added - Custoization scheme that makes All Points Bulletin cry - 1000 cars added -No euphoria mode ( a variant of physics toggler )[/color] -video editor is 1000 times more efficient ( so 30 minute videos may now be exported in 2 minutes, on a CPUS 1.2 GHz and up!!!!!! All thanks to RAGE engine 2!!!!!!!!!! unbeatable rendering, that makes unreal engine abacus like!!!! \\/ RAGE II \// Edited August 16, 2009 by GM965_X3100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermortalhuman Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) Wtf are youuuuu on about? lol! Explain these mystery features/link me to some information? I'd like to know about R2. edit after your edits: you're full of sh*t. Thanks a lot douche. Edited August 16, 2009 by supermortalhuman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM965_X3100 Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 (edited) Wow, I hit 72.54 fps!!!! OMG!!! The cities render so nicely, and no po-up styled rendering either!!! I really love RAGE II!!!!!!! BEst engine ever!!!!!! Edit:: This thread has gone on long enough....... Edited August 16, 2009 by GM965_X3100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharmingCharlie Posted August 16, 2009 Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nope I am not going to close this thread, but if you don't stop posting bullsh*t I will remove your posting rights. This topic is about GTA 4 sales I see no where in your post any mention of GTA 4 sales. In future stay on topic and keep your nonsense to yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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