[WIP] GTAIV IRL Handling Mod

[Viba]

GTA IV IRL Handling Mod

 

All DOWNLOADS here

 

(Version 1.0: DOWNLOAD 1 | DOWNLOAD 2 | Youtube VIDEO)

(Version 1.1: DOWNLOAD 1 | DOWNLOAD 2)

Changes in version 1.1:

- Fixed the tipping over to a point where some cars imo tip over pretty realistically

- Changed steeringlock, traction values, suspension values, mass values etc.

- Started modding the NRG900.

(Version 1.2: DOWNLOAD 1 | DOWNLOAD 2)

Changes in version 1.2:

- Fine tuned almost every modified value

- Biggest change probably the new engine "characteristics", the cars accelerate more accurately&responsively now

(Version 1.3: DOWNLOAD 1 | DOWNLOAD 2)

- Getting closer to the final version regarding the cars, imo.

Changes in version 1.3:

- Tested several cars and fixed them if they tipped over too easily

- Suspension changed, gives a bit better handling and acts more like irl

- Fine tuned even more

(Version 1.4: DOWNLOAD 1 | DOWNLOAD 2)

Changes in version 1.4:

- Now with low-speed, normal-speed and high-speed versions! High-speed being the original speed like in the earlier versions. Just remember to rename the handling file you want to use to plain "handling.dat". Choose according to your taste of speed

- Several values modified

- Traction

- Reduced speed of the slower cars

 

 

This mod started as "just testing some settings here in handling.dat" but turned out into modding all vehicles and using excel as a tool for that, and the goal was to get a better game experience with more real life -like handling.

It's still a bit of a Work In Progress but it's far more better than the original handling.dat imo

 

 

Acceleration, traction, suspension, handling flags, drag, braking, mass etc. values have been changed in this mod.

 

All cars have been modded, some of the bikes too (not too great achievements there though) . Helicopters and boats have not been modified

 

 

To be able to play the game with the modified handling.dat or any other modified game file you need to apply aru's File Modding Ability Patch (http://www.gtagaming.com/downloads/gta-iv/tools/1816)

After that replace the handling.dat file in Grand Theft Auto IV\common\data with the one included in the zip. If something goes wrong i have also the original handlin.dat in the package.

 

I have also included the excel file in the package, feel free to improve it or just play with the settings!

Just copy&paste the values from the excel file to the handling.dat file, after that check that there is no empty spaces between the lines and all the non-handling-data lines start with " ; ".

 

Give suggestions and report possible bugs/bad handling etc. and the mod will progress faster, thank you

Have fun gaming and modding!

 

- Viba

[Flat Face]

better than the other real handling BS mod, but i think the most realistic mod would be just upping the torque on teach carcause they are realistic except for the low torque.

[FunGt]

Nice I just tested it out. It looks good, the cars are faster and the manoeuvrability is easier. I think you have to take a look to the suspensions coz they bounce too much imho. The acceleration I think is a bit too fast, but not so much. The traction is very good. Well done.

[Viba]

Thanks for the replies. The suspension force is already almost twice as much compared to the original, but yes the whole handling file still needs a lot of work to be perfect. Im constantly working on improving this as i play GTA IV. I'd be happy to receive more opinions and suggestions on how to improve it

I would also hope that maybe someone with a bit more modding skills could help me with the bikes I got the NRG900 to accelerate good but turning and braking sucked big time, and the original handling is like a 50cc moped

[rebel_36]

just tested it and this is a really good start Viba

 

ive tried myself at making something like this but while messing with the traction settings my car would either roll over or not turn enough, i soon cancelled my efforts cause im not that good at making handlings.

 

some cars roll over, for example the futo, sabre GT, suvs and more.

 

 

my suggestions:

 

-reduce acceleration, the comet goes off like a F1 car!

 

-make turns just a little harder to take, the steering angle seems a bit too easy sometimes, especially while not driving fast.

for harder turns, theres still the handbrake.

 

the break force settings seem pretty balanced and well adjusted from what ive tested so far.

I just love using the handbrake now, finally i can slide into turns without ending in the wall ahead

 

im wondering, how did you adjust the settings for all cars? have you messed with 1 particular car (comet for example) and then applied the calculations you have used for that one car to all the other cars?

 

maybe using one of the dozens of handling editors would make things easier for you? (unless youre more comfy with excel)

 

anyway, this is really promising and just what ive been waiting for, i hope you keep updating it until its perfect, keep it up

[Viba]

Thanks for the reply

I'm working as i speak on the suspension and traction, trying to get the roll over problem crossed.

A handling editor would be much harder, excel is very good for modifying the handling file (Thanks to Peeke for the original conversion and idea). With excel i have changed all the values with the same multiplyers for all the cars, so they match up with each other and there should'nt be any radical differences between the cars compared with the original handling.

Keep the suggestions and comments coming

[Matbugss]

Downloading now, I hope this is good.

[Viba]

Downloading now, I hope this is good.

Well what do you think?

[Latetzki]

That handling looks fun, gotta try it

[kasakka]

I also like this better than the other "IRL handling mod". I agree with what others have said, reduce the acceleration and speed. Right now pretty much any car is very comfy for getting around whereas ideally you'd want some incentive to get the sportcars (better handling, goes faster etc). We DO need some cars that are total clunkers, used only when you can't find anything better. A slight increase in acceleration and speed over default is all that is needed IMO.

 

I hope you make this very keyboard friendly because the other one seems to be aimed at analog stick controllers. I'm so used to the mouse+keyboard control that I really don't want to learn to use a gamepad anymore. The turning in your mod is great.

 

Another thing to keep in mind is that sometimes you have to run after cars to steal them so it'd be nice if most of them aren't driving super fast just for game balance.

 

I don't think it's really important to try to painstakingly replicate real world car handling. It's a game, the driving should be realistic to a certain point but more importantly FUN.

 

Oh and for the love of God, don't incorporate any "realistic damage" mods into it.

[Viba]

I'll soon upload v. 1.4.

I reduced the speed on the not-sportcars. Edited lot's of other values too, biggest difference probably the traction.

Sportcars handle more like sportcars now, the steering isn't "gluey" as it was in 1.3.

The handbrake is also more userfriendly now

[f4lcon]

just registered to comment this mod, as I was instantly searched something right after the game came to pc and this was the most useful.

after several cars tried esperanto and the honda accord (don't remember the name) they are flipping over when cornering too hard and/or using handbrake.

noticed something else: the cars still "bouncing" if they would have 200mm travel suspension when jumping. at least they are not leaning so badly when cornering (suspension seems stiffier)

I am still trying different cars, and will come back with comments, keep up the good work!

edit: tried some other cars to their knees, blista compact and primo both seems okay, the mercedes slk (feltzer?) is also okay.

to all of them: they just seem to be very lightweight. jumping too high and too far. plus the extra travel of suspension...

but still: it is WAAAY better then the original.

Edited January 5, 2009 by f4lcon

[Viba]

 

just registered to comment this mod, as I was instantly searched something right after the game came to pc and this was the most useful.

after several cars tried esperanto and the honda accord (don't remember the name) they are flipping over when cornering too hard and/or using handbrake.

noticed something else: the cars still "bouncing" if they would have 200mm travel suspension when jumping. at least they are not leaning so badly when cornering (suspension seems stiffier)

I am still trying different cars, and will come back with comments, keep up the good work!

edit: tried some other cars to their knees, blista compact and primo both seems okay, the mercedes slk (feltzer?) is also okay.

to all of them: they just seem to be very lightweight. jumping too high and too far. plus the extra travel of suspension...

but still: it is WAAAY better then the original.

What version did you try? In 1.3 they should not tip over, but can't say the same for the 1.4, since the traction changed so much.. I tried testing several cars and fix them but some may have gotten past the "security check"

I also noticed the "featherness" of the cars if one may say so, a little bump and they fly a long distance, damn rockstar settings . Don't know if that is easily fixable with handling file modifying, I could try to up the mass by 150% or something like that. Haven't noticed the suspension bouncing though? Could you explain it a bit better?

 

Thank's for the reply

[LocutusH]

Hi

 

Ive just tested your 1.4 version.

 

I must say, that all cars are still too fast. Tried to do Brucies race just, and its almost impossible, since if you speed with them, its so fast, that you can not follow whats happening

The controls themself seem to be good, i havent seen any big problems with this.

 

I have no problem makin the cars faster than they are normally, but this is too much. You should reduce them all. This way even the CRX like car (blista?) does F1 like performance... lol. Even the sportscars are too fast. I think you need to find a halfway between default, and the settings right now in 1.4.

 

One more thing: Have you considered raising the damage, to be a little more realistic? I dont mean the doubledamage mod thats already out, i think thats a bit too much. But an increase of say 25%, so that BIG impacts do cause BIG deformations would be good...

[Viba]

Hi

 

Ive just tested your 1.4 version.

 

I must say, that all cars are still too fast. Tried to do Brucies race just, and its almost impossible, since if you speed with them, its so fast, that you can not follow whats happening

The controls themself seem to be good, i havent seen any big problems with this.

 

I have no problem makin the cars faster than they are normally, but this is too much. You should reduce them all. This way even the CRX like car (blista?) does F1 like performance... lol. Even the sportscars are too fast. I think you need to find a halfway between default, and the settings right now in 1.4.

 

One more thing: Have you considered raising the damage, to be a little more realistic? I dont mean the doubledamage mod thats already out, i think thats a bit too much. But an increase of say 25%, so that BIG impacts do cause BIG deformations would be good...

I could make a "high-speed" version and a "normal-speed" version of the mod, imo the speed is great now, but that's just me

Damage modifying crossed my mind a bit, but if I modify it im probably only going to change the deformation multiplyer.

[f4lcon]

agreed with the cars being littlebit too fast.

 

increasing the weight how would influence other performance? I mean acceleration, braking, topspeed... are they related in any way?

'cos adding some weight to the cars might help to reduce eighter the "bouncing" effect or the flipping over.

[Viba]

Just download the 1.4 version again, added a normal-speed version in the package

Changing the mass could solve some problems, but it would create a bunch of new also. I must take a closer look at that when I have some more sparetime!

[f4lcon]

Just download the 1.4 version again, added a normal-speed version in the package

Changing the mass could solve some problems, but it would create a bunch of new also. I must take a closer look at that when I have some more sparetime!

trying it right now

[LocutusH]

Just download the 1.4 version again, added a normal-speed version in the package

Changing the mass could solve some problems, but it would create a bunch of new also. I must take a closer look at that when I have some more sparetime!

What do you mean by "normal speed" ?

 

Ive tried both handling.dats in this package, but even the normal is way too fast... and the "fast" is just lol Rumbling around at warp 9.9, and almost every car rolls in the curves, and the sportscars fly kilometers on every jump... Its fun, but...

[Viba]

 

Just download the 1.4 version again, added a normal-speed version in the package

Changing the mass could solve some problems, but it would create a bunch of new also. I must take a closer look at that when I have some more sparetime!

What do you mean by "normal speed" ?

 

Ive tried both handling.dats in this package, but even the normal is way too fast... and the "fast" is just lol Rumbling around at warp 9.9, and almost every car rolls in the curves, and the sportscars fly kilometers on every jump... Its fun, but...

Well

These are opinions but imo the normal-speed is quite like the cars would perform in irl. The fast-speed is a bit too fast yeah but some like it? Like me

And seriously, not every car rolls in the curves. Some cars maybe but not many. But irl if you're driving a minivan 200km/h and turn the wheel all the way, pretty sure something like a roll-over is going to happen?

 

And keep in mind, this is still a work in progress

[LocutusH]

Just download the 1.4 version again, added a normal-speed version in the package

Changing the mass could solve some problems, but it would create a bunch of new also. I must take a closer look at that when I have some more sparetime!

What do you mean by "normal speed" ?

 

Ive tried both handling.dats in this package, but even the normal is way too fast... and the "fast" is just lol Rumbling around at warp 9.9, and almost every car rolls in the curves, and the sportscars fly kilometers on every jump... Its fun, but...

Well

These are opinions but imo the normal-speed is quite like the cars would perform in irl. The fast-speed is a bit too fast yeah but some like it? Like me

And seriously, not every car rolls in the curves. Some cars maybe but not many. But irl if you're driving a minivan 200km/h and turn the wheel all the way, pretty sure something like a roll-over is going to happen?

 

And keep in mind, this is still a work in progress

Ok, but in my opinion, even the normal speed version needs a slowdown Not much, but some more.

And the rollover was with some american car, some lincoln... those blocky big cars. Nothing high.

 

Is it possible to modify wich wheels are braked by the handbrake? Ive noticed, that i can not play with FWD cars in a way where i push acceleration and handbrake the same time, because handbrake also blocks the front wheels from spinning... For example, the Blista (CRX like) is FWD for sure... it should be able to go forward, while pressing handbrake...

[wtftoy]

Thanks OP for the mod. I used the normal version and that's fast enough.

BTW if you mess with the damage some of the missions you won't be able to do (that's if you increase the damage).

[Viba]

Like I said, if I modify the damage it will only be the deformation mult. Glad you enjoy the mod

 

About the handbrake I have wondered the same thing, but haven't found anything where you could specify which wheels are affected by it.

Should I make an even slower version of the handling?

 

Keep the replies with suggestions/comments etc. coming

[LocutusH]

Thanks OP for the mod. I used the normal version and that's fast enough.

BTW if you mess with the damage some of the missions you won't be able to do (that's if you increase the damage).

I have completed Brucies Mercedes stealing job with the double damage mod

It was somewhat hard... ive managed only at the 3rd time, to get the car in te garage, but it was already burning

[LocutusH]

Like I said, if I modify the damage it will only be the deformation mult. Glad you enjoy the mod

 

About the handbrake I have wondered the same thing, but haven't found anything where you could specify which wheels are affected by it.

Should I make an even slower version of the handling?

 

Keep the replies with suggestions/comments etc. coming

Definite yes

Normal version speed should be between default, and the speed now, somewhere at half way in between...

And increase the deformation, or even the damage, but max with 50%, not double.

[f4lcon]

Like I said, if I modify the damage it will only be the deformation mult. Glad you enjoy the mod

 

About the handbrake I have wondered the same thing, but haven't found anything where you could specify which wheels are affected by it.

Should I make an even slower version of the handling?

 

Keep the replies with suggestions/comments etc. coming

you could possibly lower the speeds yes.

about 75% or so.

 

also were you experiencing adding some weight to the cars? like 50% more?

[Viba]

Okaay, added yet another speed variant. Now there are 3 different speed versions, choose the one that suits you best

Haven't tried changing the mass yet, will do it probably soon.

[LocutusH]

Okaay, added yet another speed variant. Now there are 3 different speed versions, choose the one that suits you best

Haven't tried changing the mass yet, will do it probably soon.

Ive tried your newest "slow" version.

 

1. the corvette car flips too easy, almost in every corner

2. same for the mercedes ml

3.The others seems to be okay, however some of the cars is still too fast. Somehow the "magic" of the sports cars is going away, if you can hit their speed in many other cars... at least the family cars, older cars, and budget cars should be slower. Maybe even at only stock speed. The faster cars speed is okay now, like the Range Rover Sport, and ferrari, corvette (however flipping tooo easy), 911, impreza and so on.

 

This is now far better, than previous versions. Besides of the bug fixes, you should start makeing each car more unique, so that it makes a real difference wich car we take And dont forget about increasing the deformation

[Viba]

 

Okaay, added yet another speed variant. Now there are 3 different speed versions, choose the one that suits you best

Haven't tried changing the mass yet, will do it probably soon.

Ive tried your newest "slow" version.

 

1. the corvette car flips too easy, almost in every corner

2. same for the mercedes ml

3.The others seems to be okay, however some of the cars is still too fast. Somehow the "magic" of the sports cars is going away, if you can hit their speed in many other cars... at least the family cars, older cars, and budget cars should be slower. Maybe even at only stock speed. The faster cars speed is okay now, like the Range Rover Sport, and ferrari, corvette (however flipping tooo easy), 911, impreza and so on.

 

This is now far better, than previous versions. Besides of the bug fixes, you should start makeing each car more unique, so that it makes a real difference wich car we take And dont forget about increasing the deformation

Ok, thanks for the input

Until now I have just modified every cars values with percents (bug fixes done only to a single car etc.), so that they remain even, aka the "uniqueness" of the cars are rockstars handwriting

But maybe I'll start modifying them one by one after the whole set is starting to get ready otherwise.

 

I forgot to test the coquette completely, I'll put it on my to-do list for the mod right next to the deformation change

What car do you mean by mercedes ml? Feltzer? The Feltzer didn't flip in my tests.

 

Glad the "slow-version" suits you better

[LocutusH]

 

Okaay, added yet another speed variant. Now there are 3 different speed versions, choose the one that suits you best

Haven't tried changing the mass yet, will do it probably soon.

Ive tried your newest "slow" version.

 

1. the corvette car flips too easy, almost in every corner

2. same for the mercedes ml

3.The others seems to be okay, however some of the cars is still too fast. Somehow the "magic" of the sports cars is going away, if you can hit their speed in many other cars... at least the family cars, older cars, and budget cars should be slower. Maybe even at only stock speed. The faster cars speed is okay now, like the Range Rover Sport, and ferrari, corvette (however flipping tooo easy), 911, impreza and so on.

 

This is now far better, than previous versions. Besides of the bug fixes, you should start makeing each car more unique, so that it makes a real difference wich car we take And dont forget about increasing the deformation

Ok, thanks for the input

Until now I have just modified every cars values with percents (bug fixes done only to a single car etc.), so that they remain even, aka the "uniqueness" of the cars are rockstars handwriting

But maybe I'll start modifying them one by one after the whole set is starting to get ready otherwise.

 

I forgot to test the coquette completely, I'll put it on my to-do list for the mod right next to the deformation change

What car do you mean by mercedes ml? Feltzer? The Feltzer didn't flip in my tests.

 

Glad the "slow-version" suits you better

Umm iam using a real car names mod, so i dont know the original name of it

It looks like a Shangyong SUV from behind...

 

Btw, wich var is the top speed of the cars? I cant find it in the handling.dat..