I purchased GTA4 twice!

[Charming.Charlie]

As for you demands :-

 

 

...

 

Optimise the game for older and newer systems

 

So basically you want them to rewrite the code, you want them to have it running really really great on old hardware and you want it looking absolutely fantastic and running really really great on new hardware.  Would you like the moon on a stick too ?  Personally I think the game runs rather well on old hardware, I have a 2 year old quad with 8800gts and it runs pretty damn well.

 

...

Jesus CC. Who wrote that (bolded)? I certainly hope it wasn't you.

 

"old" hardware would be like my last PC - a Pentium 4 Prescott 3.4GHz with an X800 XT and 1GB of DDR PC3200...and seeing GTA IV's performance on my PC at the moment, I wouldn't even place the game box NEAR that old PC, let alone try and install and run it.

Like I said, he wasn't in his mind atm of writing that post.

[Turdist]

As for you demands :-

 

 

...

 

Optimise the game for older and newer systems

 

So basically you want them to rewrite the code, you want them to have it running really really great on old hardware and you want it looking absolutely fantastic and running really really great on new hardware.  Would you like the moon on a stick too ?  Personally I think the game runs rather well on old hardware, I have a 2 year old quad with 8800gts and it runs pretty damn well.

 

...

Jesus CC. Who wrote that (bolded)? I certainly hope it wasn't you.

 

"old" hardware would be like my last PC - a Pentium 4 Prescott 3.4GHz with an X800 XT and 1GB of DDR PC3200...and seeing GTA IV's performance on my PC at the moment, I wouldn't even place the game box NEAR that old PC, let alone try and install and run it.

your sig is awsome

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Jesus CC.  Who wrote that (bolded)?  I certainly hope it wasn't you.

 

"old" hardware would be like my last PC - a Pentium 4 Prescott 3.4GHz with an X800 XT and 1GB of DDR PC3200...and seeing GTA IV's performance on my PC at the moment, I wouldn't even place the game box NEAR that old PC, let alone try and install and run it.

I guess it depends on your definition of old hardware, I certainly would class my Quad with 8800gts as "old". I would class a single core Pentium 4 with an x800 as f*cking ancient myself . I would not expect a game too run on a single core processor and a pixel shader 2.0 card in this day and age.

 

We keep making bold claims like "PC's advance qucker than consoles" yet we expect companies to make console ports that work on gear vastly inferior to the consoles. I mean come on here Pixel Shader 2.0 cards are ancient they are not "old" we are fast approaching cards with pixel shader 5.0.

[DML]

I would not expect a game too run on a single core processor and a pixel shader 2.0 card in this day and age.

But that old box I described can run games with graphics which match and exceed those on the "next-gen" consoles, this game only just runs playable on my E6420 with an 8800GTS and 4GB (3.5GB) of non-paged DDR2 PC6400 RAM.

 

This game's performance shortfall isn't its graphics, it's that its physics engine (similar to that of Half Life 2's...probably not as good) and its overall use of the CPU. It was not coded for x86 architecture, and the game itself doesn't even make proper use of all available CPU cores.

 

 

...we expect companies to make console ports that work on gear vastly inferior to the consoles.

You know me quite well, and you know that I don't expect companies to make "ports". I expect them to make "games" - from the ground up. Build games from the ground up to the sky...not from the sewers up to the ground.

[Akolyte01]

Jesus CC.  Who wrote that (bolded)?  I certainly hope it wasn't you.

 

"old" hardware would be like my last PC - a Pentium 4 Prescott 3.4GHz with an X800 XT and 1GB of DDR PC3200...and seeing GTA IV's performance on my PC at the moment, I wouldn't even place the game box NEAR that old PC, let alone try and install and run it.

I guess it depends on your definition of old hardware, I certainly would class my Quad with 8800gts as "old". I would class a single core Pentium 4 with an x800 as f*cking ancient myself . I would not expect a game too run on a single core processor and a pixel shader 2.0 card in this day and age.

 

We keep making bold claims like "PC's advance qucker than consoles" yet we expect companies to make console ports that work on gear vastly inferior to the consoles. I mean come on here Pixel Shader 2.0 cards are ancient they are not "old" we are fast approaching cards with pixel shader 5.0.

It might be "old" time wise, but your build was far ahead of it's time, especially the quad core.

[Goatman455]

I bought all 3 versions and I agree, no SLI support, come on.

[mupet0000]

I bought all 3 versions and I agree, no SLI support, come on.

I bought all 3 versions too. Rockstar have done pretty badly with the PC version its just not acceptable.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

But that old box I described can run games with graphics which match and exceed those on the "next-gen" consoles, this game only just runs playable on my E6420 with an 8800GTS and 4GB (3.5GB) of non-paged DDR2 PC6400 RAM.

Come on here DML that spec you stated was old two years ago. I was running games on a P4 2.4ghz with a 6600gt card and I ditched it because the games were becoming unplayable, we are talking about frame rates in single figures even on low settings. Now I am as much a PC fanboy as you can get but even I know a [email protected] with a x800 cannot even come close to what the consoles can come out with.

 

 

This game's performance shortfall isn't its graphics, it's that its physics engine (similar to that of Half Life 2's...probably not as good) and its overall use of the CPU.  It was not coded for x86  architecture, and the game itself doesn't even make proper use of all available CPU cores.

Well you know my stance on the port this is a god awful port technically. I will totally agree it should be running a hell of a lot better than it does on modest hardware. I don't even think that issue is really up for debate. However we do have to be realistic in our expectations and some people just aren't being realistic. I have seen posts from people going "why doesn't this game look massively better than the console, why can't I play it at 1920 x 1200 ?" then they will happily say "btw I have an 8600gt". So basically they want the game to look better than the console, run at nearly twice the res of the console ohhhhhhh yeah and they want it done on a GPU that is WORSE than the console.

 

It has been a prominent factor of Rockstars history that all ports have been pretty sh*t technically. If you look at GTA SA on the PS2 that ran in 32mbs of memory. The PC version needed a whopping 128mbs of vram and 384mbs of system ram. You will see the same for Vice City and GTA 3 you needed a PC that was technically 3 times more powerful than the old consoles just to run the game.

 

However aside from the technical aspects of the port this game is f*cking brilliant I am totally loving it on the PC. I would say I am enjoying it a hell of a lot more than I ever did the console version. I am seeing stuff in the game I didn't actually KNOW was there thanks to the fact we don't have the damn vaseline filter on. The game may have failed on a technical level but in every other way I am enjoying it totally. I can't wait till my next upgrade which will be aimed at maxxing out this GTA and any other GTA if we are lucky to get it after all this.

 

 

You know me quite well, and you know that I don't expect companies to make "ports".  I expect them to make "games" - from the ground up.  Build games from the ground up to the sky...not from the sewers up to the ground.

Well I am sure when PC gamers actually stump up and pay for the damn games we might just get "games" instead of "ports". Right now I see people going "glad I stole this game I would feel ripped off if I paid for it". As much as we don't like it we got the port that the PC can support financially and this will continue whilst the PC is stuck in this f*cking cycle between gamers and producers.

 

[DML]

 

Come on here DML that spec you stated was old two years ago.

Yes, bought in 2004. I was judging the graphical output on the fact that, besides the X800 XT costing AUD$800, it ran Half Life 2 pretty nicely, and that looked on-par with games still being released on consoles today.

 

 

Well I am sure when PC gamers actually stump up and pay for the damn games we might just get "games" instead of "ports".  Right now I see people going "glad I stole this game I would feel ripped off if I paid for it".  As much as we don't like it we got the port that the PC can support financially and this will continue whilst the PC is stuck in this f*cking cycle between gamers and producers.

While I don't condone the actions of the people you speak of, I've never attributed the delay and lack-of-effort in the GTA PC ports to piracy. I've also never actually seen you make that direct connection either. I'm of the belief that if the console versions sold 10 million (5 million per console), and the PC version sold 5 million, then the console versions would still get priority treatment and first release, because Microsoft and Sony seems to be the ones with the power over Rockstar these days.

 

Those bastards (and you know what we've had to put up with from that company, so they ARE bastards) simply re-brand console games with flashy windows installers, Win32 wrapper-executables to execute console code, and then slap it in a box and release it for PC. Despite the game still being playable, you know I won't rest until things start getting done the right way (that means I'll probably never rest ).

[IcepickFIA]

Dear Rockstar...

Send a copy of this in writing to Rockstar.

 

I hand delivered a letter addressed to the producer at Rockstar North. Still have't recieved a reply though.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

While I don't condone the actions of the people you speak of, I've never attributed the delay and lack-of-effort in the GTA PC ports to piracy.  I've also never actually seen you make that direct connection either.  I'm of the belief that if the console versions sold 10 million (5 million per console), and the PC version sold 5 million, then the console versions would still get priority treatment and first release, because Microsoft and Sony seems to be the ones with the power over Rockstar these days.

Well I am not saying it is 100% the reason why GTA 4 is as crap as it is. Nothing is ever simple enough to blame on just one thing. there are obviously other factors like the fact the game has been delayed on the PC, the general quality of the port, the actual theme of the game (some just hate GTA 4 and won't buy it again).

 

I actually was quite hopefully a few weeks ago GTA only appeals to MS and Sony because it shifts consoles .......... well it used too We have seen with GTA 4 that clearly isn't the case neither MS or Sony saw any huge spike in console sales when the game was released. So you have to be asking yourself what does MS and Sony think of the importance of the GTA franchise now to their plans. I personally believed that come the next GTA all MS and Sony would do is ensure it is released on their machine rather than waste money on "exclusivity".

 

I even have to confess I am hoping the DLC dies a death too, that is another stupid idea that deserves to die and teach Rockstar a lesson that they shouldn't f*ck their fans over like this. Oh and before you ask, no I am not buying the DLC for my xbrick

 

 

Those bastards (and you know what we've had to put up with from that company, so they ARE bastards) simply re-brand console games with flashy windows installers, Win32 wrapper-executables to execute console code, and then slap it in a box and release it for PC.  Despite the game still being playable, you know I won't rest until things start getting done the right way (that means I'll probably never rest  ).

and I will be agreeing with you "mostly" along the way. I am not ecstatically happy about the port and Rockstar Toronto are guilty of pretty clear failings in many areas. I had hoped that increased sales of the PC version might encourage Rockstar to devote more resources to the future PC GTA's. But with the problems of piracy, high specs and the general nastiness and immaturity of some of the anti-rockstar brigade I am afraid it might have actually pushed Rockstar further away.

 

We have seen some outstanding PC gamers in this forum that have really gotten into GTA 4 they have come up with some incredible fixes and tweaks that put Rockstar to shame and then we have seen some gamers that have behaved in such a way I am actually embarrassed to be a PC gamer. Yes their anger is justified but we are meant to be MATURE PC gamers not five year olds throwing our rattle out of the pram. I guess until we change out attitudes then at best we can expect the same treatment with the next GTA and at worse we can expect no next gta at all. The really sad thing is some people on this forum will probably be laughing and cheering at that prospect.

 

BTW many apologies to the original topic poster, we seem to have nicked your thread a little bit.

 

[CEMEH_CEMEHbl4]

some people on this forum will probably be laughing and cheering at that prospect.

yes,its me

[smoking6]

Havn't seen CharmingCharlie around since you posted that... I think he got owned too much by that epic comeback

I do have other things to do you know, like play GTA 4 which I am loving.

Maybe it's also because my reply wasn't for you lol.

 

I was replying to "bp2018" with my dramatic post.

 

 

peace

 

 

 

[DML]

 

I even have to confess I am hoping the DLC dies a death too, that is another stupid idea that deserves to die and teach Rockstar a lesson that they shouldn't f*ck their fans over like this.  Oh and before you ask, no I am not buying the DLC for my xbrick 

I could not agree more.

 

 

But with the problems of piracy, high specs and the general nastiness and immaturity of some of the anti-rockstar brigade I am afraid it might have actually pushed Rockstar further away.

Judging from my behavior over the past 3+ years, I would say that myself is supposed to be included in that "anti-Rockstar brigade".

 

My problems with the company go beyond the obvious. You remember all those emails I sent them? The first 10 to 20 of them were sent across a time frame of a few months, and contained reasonable, logical questions for which they should have had no problem responding to. They completely ignored not just me, but the many others who were seeking answers about Rockstar Games' lack of any PC game releases.

 

They're just like politicians in an election campaign. On one hand, I was told (as a member of the public) that they had no plans to release a PC version of GTA IV...then on the other hand (as Rockstar Games Vice President Dan Houser) I was told September. I mean WTF? Insulting and f*cking incompetent beyond belief!

 

In the old "GTA IV for PC?" thread, we used to discuss that very issue of Rockstar not appreciating the amount of abuse that I, and many others were posting about them. The conclusion we drew was that they don't seem to be bothered by it. They know the PC version gets them extra sales revenue, and they can and will not pass up such an opportunity.

 

The main question now is: Have they (keyword being "they") gone so far this time as to critically damage their own reputation with PC gamers? If we don't see another GTA game on PC, then YES, they will have had.

 

 

I guess until we change out attitudes then at best we can expect the same treatment with the next GTA...

PC gamers were being screwed 8 years ago with regard to GTA, and nobody was acting like they are today, so it seems Rockstar started this whole mess. I know the anti-Rockstar ranting does need to stop, but when the ball has consistently been in Rockstar's court, all they continue to do is fuel the problem rather than provide a solution to it through proper support for the platform. I'm not worried though, as money will be the drawing factor keeping them coming back to the PC, as I think many will agree - they are not terribly-concerned about their public image anymore, so long as they can get a quick buck.

[GamerShotgun]

some people on this forum will probably be laughing and cheering at that prospect.

yes,its me

Would you just die already?

 

 

[Allonzo]

Man what the f*ck, why is everyone hating on the pirates? People are so narrow minded it's unbelievable. Most of you people whining probably get your games from mom or pop. Man when I didn't have any money, I downloaded my games, you people might see a problem with that, but that's because you're idiots. This is what alot of people don't seem to understand, what difference does it make if I don't pay for a game and play it or don't pay for it and not play it at all? Nobody is getting money either way, but someone ends up enjoying a game they otherwise wouldn't have. Piracy (really bad name for it by the way) is good, get with the times people.

 

BTW, I work now, in the past month I have bought, GTA4, COD4, Orange box, Grid, Dead Space, Gears of War, Fallout 3, Crysis and I'm sure I'm forgetting one or two of them, didn't really have time to play them all to be honest.

Indeed and when you play it and like it, you tell your friends and they tell theirs etcetc so that means the game will be bought by them even if its only a few

 

This is how some series, games, music got popular

[hussam1988]

my vote

[ObsessedWithGTA4]

Shadows are nice at 10-16 with higher end rigs

[StingRhea]

I purchased GTA1, GTA London, GTA2, on PS1, GTA3, & GTA4 on the PC. Additionally, I also purchased Midnight Club 1 and 2, Manhunt, Bully, GTA VC, GTA SA on PS2, GTA4 on PS3.

 

+1 for this topic.

 

[Illousion]

Lol nobody made you buy the game twice.

[Seregas2001]

my 2 disc's - http://pix.playground.ru/download/gallery/...6a15863a8e7.jpg

 

Unpacking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Pj5jQ0rNM

 

[StingRhea]

not forgeting liberty city stories and vice city stories!

[Dreakon]

Erm no they didn't most people pirated the game because they are cheap arses. You seem to think there is honour amongst thieves, I can tell you there isn't. If Rockstar brought out a patch tomorrow that made the game run at 200fps on a Pentium 3 and 32mb graphics card at 2560 x 1600 the people that stole the game still wouldn't buy it. They would just wait for the patch to be cracked and apply it, because they always seem to be pretty good at coming out with excuses NOT to buy the game.

I can agree that people who pirated the game are cheap asses that probably wouldn't buy the game if it worked beautifully. However, you act like these people probably would've bought the game anyway. I'd have to say both because of the amount of time it took for a proper crack to be released and the horrible publicity Rockstar got a mere day or so after release, they'll be lucky to have as many sales as they did for this. And you assume pirates are people stealing money from the company, as though they would've actually bought the game anyways (if piracy didn't exist at all).

 

 

Dont lock your game, open it, and release an SDK so people can mod GTA4 to their liking

 

ROFL not gonna happen, not in a f*cking month of Sundays and why should Rockstar allow this ?  Hardly any other game allows modding yet for some reason PC gamers think they have a divine right to f*ck up someone else's work.  So you can forget about this EVER happening.

 

That's kind of harsh. I'll admit I'm as little into mods as you are, but your kidding yourself if you think that this game will have the kind of longevity on the PC as other games have that actively allow modding in some way, shape or form. The game is wonderful, it's beautiful and probably one of the only games I'll go back to again and again without modding a single file, since thats how I am, but one of the benefits to getting games on the PC nowadays as opposed to the 360 or the PS3 is modding.

 

Companies want their games to be playable for as long as possible, or they should anyways. Apparently Rockstar really doesn't care about that despite all the modding community has done for their games on the PC in the past (mainly referring to the multiplayer mods). You're delusional.

 

Releasing a SDK is pushing it though, just make the files moddable and don't use a silly file check for anything but multiplayer (for balance sake).

[TF2Fan]

Exactly, let the community mod this game. If Rockstar want this game to be played 5 years down the line, then they need to open thi sgame up a little.

 

After all the problems with this game, its the LEAST they can do. Right now, most of us cant even fix this damn game ourselves, because of that file checker which breaks the game. I had to reinstall the game twice now, since it would not launch after a few changes, which I did a BACKUP too.

 

So I do a backup? Restore it and the game would not start? I mean what the f*ck is a point of a backup ??????

 

Anyway, now I have this new problem to look into where the game stutters a little. It started out as a one 15 second stutter every 3-4 hours, but now its 1 20 second stutter every 3-5 minutes. The game is UNPLAYABLE. Now I cant play this brilliant game, and Rockstar are not doing anything about it, and we cant do anything about it since the damn game is locked!

 

 

[bp2018]

Havn't seen CharmingCharlie around since you posted that... I think he got owned too much by that epic comeback

I do have other things to do you know, like play GTA 4 which I am loving.

Maybe it's also because my reply wasn't for you lol.

 

I was replying to "bp2018" with my dramatic post.

 

 

peace

What post was that exactly? Was it one trying to defend illegally stealing software? Wait, sorry, you label it "copying" my mistake, makes it totally legal.

 

I was off doing real life things, and playing online, something you can do with a LEGAL COPY, I guess if your copy is totally legit you can play online aswell rather than trolling forums like a douche.

 

Seriously, grow up, get a job and spend some cash for gods sake, stop being a tight ass.

 

NOTE: Just because someone doesn't give you the time of day doesn't mean you "owned" them it simply means you are not worth replying to with such a terrible reply.

[CEMEH_CEMEHbl4]

i think you guys crazy!

 

i will not buy San Andreas - because its not have multiplayer

but i will do buy GTA 4 - because its have multiplayer

 

single player games - its the Original cause of piracy...

[smoking6]

 

Havn't seen CharmingCharlie around since you posted that... I think he got owned too much by that epic comeback

I do have other things to do you know, like play GTA 4 which I am loving.

Maybe it's also because my reply wasn't for you lol.

 

I was replying to "bp2018" with my dramatic post.

 

 

peace

What post was that exactly? Was it one trying to defend illegally stealing software? Wait, sorry, you label it "copying" my mistake, makes it totally legal.

 

I was off doing real life things, and playing online, something you can do with a LEGAL COPY, I guess if your copy is totally legit you can play online aswell rather than trolling forums like a douche.

 

Seriously, grow up, get a job and spend some cash for gods sake, stop being a tight ass.

 

NOTE: Just because someone doesn't give you the time of day doesn't mean you "owned" them it simply means you are not worth replying to with such a terrible reply.

First of all, I was not defending non authorized downloads. I was referring to your greed, on the Ferrari example. How dumb are you? I wonder if you can even process human language correctly.

 

I was actively defending game sells by pointing out how much more people would buy them, if it was cheaper. (cheaper = more sells = same overall money income)

 

People download games, songs, and movies, because they can't afford to buy all of them, not because it's "hip" to download stuff.

 

Of course If everyone download it, there wouldn't be a game in the first place. What I'm saying is that I'm ok with the fact that I buy games while others who can't afford it, are downloading it. Sight rude boy?

 

 

I spend a budget of 150€ per month on average on video games / movies. My GTA DVD is totally legit.

 

So yes I can play online, but I love to persecute low IQs bastards like you. It's really entertaining how low things can get on some forums.

 

You up for a 2nd round? Because you're saying I'm not worth replying, yet you're very defensive in your reply.

 

 

Hoping to hear more from you,

Regards,

 

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[TF2Fan]

Again, please dont discuss piracy on this thread. This thread is against piracy, and I dont want to talk about it at ALL...

 

This thread is about Rockstar fixing a game which we all love. This thread is about Rockstar caring for its long term customers who have made Rockstar to what it is today, one the biggest and most respected PC games companies in the world.

 

We still love you and support you Rockstar, but you have let us down. Just please fix this game and restore our trust in you again

[Pixelated]

- Dont lock your game, open it, and release an SDK so people can mod GTA4 to their liking

 

The idea that a game like GTAIV was produced to PC gamers with a locked down game denying the most basic of benefits of having a PC, in modding.

I can only imagine that some executive though this was necessary to still be able to profit from the DLC. Unable to tell the difference from fan created mods and Rockstar released DLC. It's no surprise that these companies have no idea what their fans really want.

[Jackmackg]

 

Heres the thing. the game does work. it works just fine on my hardware. I got to say its a little glitch here and there but it is playable at 40-50 fps.

 

so its up to the user. its not there fault that you dont have sub par hardware for the job. But its not like there not trying. they want there games to run on there hardware. they would get more and happy customers.

 

But you can look at it two ways. The way people always assume is "Its there job and they get payed to make it work. but they are just lazy dumb people that dont know how to make a pc game." or you look at this way "This must be hard to do even when people are getting payed to do it."

 

its just that i have done little programing here and there for fun and its quite and achievement from looking at this game for that stand point. look at windows. microsoft has thousands of programmers and windows is still not perfect.