I purchased GTA4 twice!

[ShXIII]

Got my vote, even though I got refunded my money I would still like to play this game for PC if its ever playable

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Wow, you really seem to love being treated like a bitch regarding the modding, do you understand the fundamental drive of gaming over the past 15+ years has been the modding communities, is this what the spoon-fed moronic society has us reaping now with their blind spasticated embrace of mindless console driven gaming?

Plenty of PC games allow and indeed actively encourage modding.

Well that is news to me, perhaps you should lift your head up once every 15 years and look around most people really couldn't give a flying f*ck about modding, that includes ME. I have never modded any GTA game because I am quite happy to play them as they are. Now just because modding is important to YOU does not mean it is important to everyone. I like to think the fundamental drive of gaming over the past 15 years was perhaps........... well erm gaming really, you know to PLAY games not hack the damn things apart.

 

 

Regarding your slavish and dare I say it intellectually stunted veiwpoint of piracy.

You do understand that people can afford to pay but will refuse top pay if the goods are not up to scratch, you must accept that whenever someone serves you up sh*t, you have the right to voice your displeasure and retain the right to withhold payment for goods not received in kind.

So why steal a game then ? If the game isn't worthy of you paying for it then it shouldn't be worthy of getting at all. Yet we have plenty of examples of people openly bragging about stealing GTA IV and that they are going to keep playing it even though they didn't pay for it. Why should you have the right to use something you didn't pay a f*cking penny for ? Oh and by the way I love the bit where you said "retain the right" erm what rights ? what right do you have too software you didn't f*cking pay for ?

 

 

For example just by bypassing the securom nonsense of GTAIV, needs legitimate DVD in drive still, you can improve the framerate considerably, this is one of many positives that pirates experience, why should you or I be happy with their horrifically imposing anti-piracy devices hampering the performance of my PC.

My legal copy of Bioshock is surpassed in performance by 15FP by the moody copy.

Again I ask you why do you have the right to use the software you didn't pay for ? You were warned that there is a DVD check, you were warned that it uses securom so no one tried to hide it. So if you do not like the idea of a DVD check or securom software why do you still have the right to steal the game ? Why do you have the right to steal software because you don't like the mechanisms that companies use to try and protect themselves from thieving scum.

 

Sometimes, just sometimes, piracy is the only answer to work around the anti-piracy devices employed that drag down PC performance.

Now there's an irony.

Yeah it is terribly ironic that companies have to make this protection systems because people are cheap arsed dicks and steal software isn't it. I love it how people expect companies to fork out millions developing a game but they won't even put up the 50 bucks for it. You want to know why GTA 4 is a sh*t port it's because people stole the previous GTA's that's why. So here's a clue maybe if people stop stealing software we might actually get some decent well coded games/ports.

 

[LSD T]

 

Wow, you really seem to love being treated like a bitch regarding the modding, do you understand the fundamental drive of gaming over the past 15+ years has been the modding communities, is this what the spoon-fed moronic society has us reaping now with their blind spasticated embrace of mindless console driven gaming?

Plenty of PC games allow and indeed actively encourage modding.

Well that is news to me, perhaps you should lift your head up once every 15 years and look around most people really couldn't give a flying f*ck about modding, that includes ME. I have never modded any GTA game because I am quite happy to play them as they are. Now just because modding is important to YOU does not mean it is important to everyone. I like to think the fundamental drive of gaming over the past 15 years was perhaps........... well erm gaming really, you know to PLAY games not hack the damn things apart.

 

 

Regarding your slavish and dare I say it intellectually stunted veiwpoint of piracy.

You do understand that people can afford to pay but will refuse top pay if the goods are not up to scratch, you must accept that whenever someone serves you up sh*t, you have the right to voice your displeasure and retain the right to withhold payment for goods not received in kind.

So why steal a game then ? If the game isn't worthy of you paying for it then it shouldn't be worthy of getting at all. Yet we have plenty of examples of people openly bragging about stealing GTA IV and that they are going to keep playing it even though they didn't pay for it. Why should you have the right to use something you didn't pay a f*cking penny for ? Oh and by the way I love the bit where you said "retain the right" erm what rights ? what right do you have too software you didn't f*cking pay for ?

 

 

For example just by bypassing the securom nonsense of GTAIV, needs legitimate DVD in drive still, you can improve the framerate considerably, this is one of many positives that pirates experience, why should you or I be happy with their horrifically imposing anti-piracy devices hampering the performance of my PC.

My legal copy of Bioshock is surpassed in performance by 15FP by the moody copy.

Again I ask you why do you have the right to use the software you didn't pay for ? You were warned that there is a DVD check, you were warned that it uses securom so no one tried to hide it. So if you do not like the idea of a DVD check or securom software why do you still have the right to steal the game ? Why do you have the right to steal software because you don't like the mechanisms that companies use to try and protect themselves from thieving scum.

 

Sometimes, just sometimes, piracy is the only answer to work around the anti-piracy devices employed that drag down PC performance.

Now there's an irony.

Yeah it is terribly ironic that companies have to make this protection systems because people are cheap arsed dicks and steal software isn't it. I love it how people expect companies to fork out millions developing a game but they won't even put up the 50 bucks for it. You want to know why GTA 4 is a sh*t port it's because people stole the previous GTA's that's why. So here's a clue maybe if people stop stealing software we might actually get some decent well coded games/ports.

 

Wow, quite a lot of text, yet you say f*ck all of note.

Perhaps you may not understand the point in hand.

 

I did pay for the game, I own it, you are a cretinous c*nt of a fool, I have lost the will to reason any further with such a f*cking dolt.

Edited December 19, 2008 by LSD T

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Wow, quite a lot of text, yet you say f*ck all of note.

Perhaps you may not understand the point in hand.

 

I did pay for the game,  I own it, you are a cretinous c*nt of a fool, I have lost the will to reason any further with such a f*cking dolt.

That's funny because the same could be said with your drivel really. Did I say you DIDN'T buy the game ? No I didn't. I have no idea whether you bought the game or not, nor do I actually care to be honest. I also find it curious how the minute someone doesn't agree with you 100% out you come with the name calling and insults.

[Allonzo]

 

Piracy is theft, when you purchase a game you are not buying the DVD at all, you are purchasing the right to play the software contained on the DVD, by pirating this you are infact stealing the rights to use that software.

 

Stop trying to make piracy seem harmless, the fact is, sales are being stolen, software rights are being stolen, sugar coat it all you want, its theft.

 

If you copy money... thats still technically stealing and it hurts the economy, if you copy software thats still stealing the rights to that software, especially when you ty playing online with a serial key you gnerated with a program, you just took away someone elses ability to play the game online.

 

Now I realise its ussually 12 - 18 months before those issues crop up, but its still ruining it for whatever poor soul has that key legitimately.

 

How would you feel if you bought a Ferrari, then I came along and just "copied" it, would you be fine with that, after you had just spent a mill or so on that car, or would you be peeved you had to work hard to get it, then some jerk just copies it from you?

 

Think how the developers feel, hell, why is GTA 4 in such a state? If they can't sell enough copies, why bother fixing it, way to screw it up for everyone!

 

Long story short, you can reply with "ITS COPYING LOLZ10101010101!!!!" its theft, plain and simple I dont care if you sugar coat it with a million lbs of sugar.

If I pay for a mop and my neighbour wants to use it, he can because its my property I bought it I can do the f*ck i want with it.

Same goes for internet sharers

[Weses]

I bought it for 360 and PC, and I think the PC version is much better and the only issues I have are stuttering issues after 2-3 hours of playing.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

If I pay for a mop and my neighbour wants to use it, he can because its my property I bought it I can do the f*ck i want with it.

Same goes for internet sharers

Yes if he asks you, just like if you own a car and he asks if he can use it and you say yes. However I think you would take a pretty dim view of your neighbour if he just "borrowed" your car whenever he wanted. When you buy software you do not OWN the program you purchase a RIGHT to use the software, you never have the right to "lend" it or "share" it. You could look at it as you asking the software company if you can use what they own and them saying "yeah if you give us something towards it financially you can use the software". However that does not give you the right to share something you DO NOT own, just like your neighbour has no right to lend YOUR stuff out to people he might like.

 

[ciphrix]

Just to clear things up.

 

From a legal point of view, Piracy is NOT stealing (i.e. theft). It's copyright infringement, which is quite different from theft within the legal framework.

 

From a more general point of view, it's possible to argue Piracy is "stealing", depending on how you define "stealing" and what exactly is stolen (ie rights to use, lost profits, software itself etc) but you can also argue the other way. No real point arguing here since it's a matter of your personal opinion and how you define theft

 

Now that we have that cleared up, let the insult hurling continue!

 

 

[AMDdude]

umm GTA on PC has always been about modding, from the very first incarnation (http://www.gouranga.com/nf-downloads-cars.htm). Who want's to play with made up cars when you can have the real ones? Hell, we got multiplayer in VC and SA thanks to the modding community.

[iamnotyou]

- Fix the shadows

- Fix the terrible and slow camera

- Fix the memory leak

- Optimise the game for older and newer systems

- Dont lock your game, open it, and release an SDK so people can mod GTA4 to their liking

- Stick in a multiplayer option on the start menu

- Fix the damn controls, let me map my controls to how I want it. I want to use the ENTER key!

- And all the other issues that users are having.

- Release DLC on the PC, and DONT DELAY IT

 

 

-Shadows- Looking fine on my system, running at 1240x1024. After Video card driver updates and game patch shadows are not a problem on my system any longer.

 

-Camera- Valid point, but if you use a mouse I see no problems. Still don't see how people can play with keyboard+mouse though. But you can re configure every keyboard command. Definitely need the same for controllers.

 

-Memory "leak"- Update all your drivers, don't run any other programs. I haven't had what some call a memory "leak" since R* patch.

 

-Game Locking- If people quit getting scared off of this game that does need support, but actually runs well on all mid range systems I have seen it on, we need to quit alot of the this hyperbole that goes on with OMG R* H8S ME I WANT $$ GAME DONT RUN! bs that goes on here. Give them a reason to, and they will, personally I wouldn't do it because people are being wankers about it.

 

-Multiplayer in start menu- If your talking about after you launch the game but before you load, I am all for that sh*t. Also make an option to choose any damn save game with out loading into the game >.<

 

-All other issues- Those seem to be subjective... why should R* do anything about someone with a crappy MB or a too slow CPU that they demand be supported?

 

-DLC- we will see, I will wait on DLC if they decide to release a patch for advanced gfx options and optimizations at the same time.

[smoking6]

 

How would you feel if you bought a Ferrari, then I came along and just "copied" it, would you be fine with that, after you had just spent a mill or so on that car, or would you be peeved you had to work hard to get it, then some jerk just copies it from you?

 

I would be happy, you greedy c*nt.

 

If I was smart enough, and if i could spend 30 years of my life to find a cure to HIV, or any other disease for that matter, I would HAPPILY share it to the entire world for FREE (except for you). If people on the street could copy a Ferrari I just bought, man that would be great. Thinking how happy they will be driving their way home in a free sport car most of them always dreamed to have.

 

And yes, motherf*cker, I would feel "fine", happy, DELIGHTED, joyful, blessed, thrilled, peppy, pleased, i would feel like walking on A-I-R.

This applies to anything I can provide to my fellow buddies, friends, or family and any other human being.

 

If I had a better job and made spare money, I would be happy to help by giving away money to medical corporations, or buy holidays to poor kids. I don't really much care how hard I worked, if it can make someone happy with that work.

 

But you seem to be one of these who would buy a Ferrari with spare money, instead of helping your fellow earthlings, I assume you don't understand.

 

If games companies weren't like you, and stopped looking for massive profits, the games would be sold way cheaper, and there would be less piracy and more sells, making bigger incomes than there actually is, lowering again the price to a even more reasonable price, totally killing piracy.

If they weren't that greedy, they'd be even richer. Ironic isn't it. And this applies to everything people.

 

Greed is killing them, you, and everyone else.

 

 

Peace

[JBFord4x4]

rofl @ "I DEMAND".

 

 

What a fool.

[harnless420]

owned

[HigherStrife]

How would you feel if you bought a Ferrari, then I came along and just "copied" it, would you be fine with that, after you had just spent a mill or so on that car, or would you be peeved you had to work hard to get it, then some jerk just copies it from you?

 

I would be happy, you greedy c*nt.

 

If I was smart enough, and if i could spend 30 years of my life to find a cure to HIV, or any other disease for that matter, I would HAPPILY share it to the entire world for FREE (except for you). If people on the street could copy a Ferrari I just bought, man that would be great. Thinking how happy they will be driving their way home in a free sport car most of them always dreamed to have.

 

And yes, motherf*cker, I would feel "fine", happy, DELIGHTED, joyful, blessed, thrilled, peppy, pleased, i would feel like walking on A-I-R.

This applies to anything I can provide to my fellow buddies, friends, or family and any other human being.

 

If I had a better job and made spare money, I would be happy to help by giving away money to medical corporations, or buy holidays to poor kids. I don't really much care how hard I worked, if it can make someone happy with that work.

 

But you seem to be one of these who would buy a Ferrari with spare money, instead of helping your fellow earthlings, I assume you don't understand.

 

If games companies weren't like you, and stopped looking for massive profits, the games would be sold way cheaper, and there would be less piracy and more sells, making bigger incomes than there actually is, lowering again the price to a even more reasonable price, totally killing piracy.

If they weren't that greedy, they'd be even richer. Ironic isn't it. And this applies to everything people.

 

Greed is killing them, you, and everyone else.

 

 

Peace

I second that. Well Put.

[Chroniss]

 

Well that is news to me, perhaps you should lift your head up once every 15 years and look around most people really couldn't give a flying f*ck about modding, that includes ME.  I have never modded any GTA game because I am quite happy to play them as they are.  Now just because modding is important to YOU does not mean it is important to everyone.  I like to think the fundamental drive of gaming over the past 15 years was perhaps........... well erm gaming really, you know to PLAY games not hack the damn things apart.

 

Modding is a driving force behind the PC gaming market.

 

"Now just because modding is not important to YOU does not mean it is not important to everyone."

 

Whats the most played multiplayer game of all time? Counterstrike....

 

What drove HL1 sales in the long run? What drives Source game sales in general? What is portal, TF2, and L4D - commercial mods... Almost every multiplayer game I play is modded in some aspect, from simple server mods to help admins, to new sounds, maps, skins, and in some cases entire rewrites of the game that end up as spin offs that sell on steam.

 

Modding = Longevity...would I player San Andreas if it wasnt for SAMP mods? Hell no...I finished it a long time ago, the only thing I care about is the online modding community, and I'm not the only one as I can easily find servers that are full most of the day.

Edited December 19, 2008 by Chroniss

[ArkangelJosh]

Take Operation flashpoint for example Armed assault ,Jedi knight academy, all modded to hell and back. the bottom line is, the more a game i s modded and customized the longer it will be played.

[Allonzo]

 

If I pay for a mop and my neighbour wants to use it, he can because its my property I bought it I can do the f*ck i want with it.

Same goes for internet sharers

Yes if he asks you, just like if you own a car and he asks if he can use it and you say yes. However I think you would take a pretty dim view of your neighbour if he just "borrowed" your car whenever he wanted. When you buy software you do not OWN the program you purchase a RIGHT to use the software, you never have the right to "lend" it or "share" it. You could look at it as you asking the software company if you can use what they own and them saying "yeah if you give us something towards it financially you can use the software". However that does not give you the right to share something you DO NOT own, just like your neighbour has no right to lend YOUR stuff out to people he might like.

I wouldnt mind if he took it and copied my car etc because I always get to keep mine besides i was told since I was a boy that sharing is caring

 

 

 

I would be happy, you greedy c*nt.

 

If I was smart enough, and if i could spend 30 years of my life to find a cure to HIV, or any other disease for that matter, I would HAPPILY share it to the entire world for FREE (except for you). If people on the street could copy a Ferrari I just bought, man that would be great. Thinking how happy they will be driving their way home in a free sport car most of them always dreamed to have.

 

And yes, motherf*cker, I would feel "fine", happy, DELIGHTED, joyful, blessed, thrilled, peppy, pleased, i would feel like walking on A-I-R.

This applies to anything I can provide to my fellow buddies, friends, or family and any other human being.

 

If I had a better job and made spare money, I would be happy to help by giving away money to medical corporations, or buy holidays to poor kids. I don't really much care how hard I worked, if it can make someone happy with that work.

 

But you seem to be one of these who would buy a Ferrari with spare money, instead of helping your fellow earthlings, I assume you don't understand.

 

If games companies weren't like you, and stopped looking for massive profits, the games would be sold way cheaper, and there would be less piracy and more sells, making bigger incomes than there actually is, lowering again the price to a even more reasonable price, totally killing piracy.

If they weren't that greedy, they'd be even richer. Ironic isn't it. And this applies to everything people.

 

Greed is killing them, you, and everyone else.

 

LOLL extreme way to say it but I agree with eveything

If more people were like this we wouldnt be dependable on money and wouldnt be in this financial crash of the millenium

Edited December 19, 2008 by Allonzo

[camdean]

Take Operation flashpoint for example Armed assault ,Jedi knight academy, all modded to hell and back. the bottom line is, the more a game i s modded and customized the longer it will be played.

My thoughts exactly

 

 

 

I love mods for good games, some of the stuff I seen happening on Arma really reminded me of what mods can do for games, car mods for GTA, I can't get enough of mods like this, people spend time making smart cars and stuff, so when I decide I want to play single player again, I load up all these new cars and bikes and any other cool mods then run the game again, with a decent amount of new stuff it almost feels new again. Then we have the chances of a real cool multiplayer mod like samp or the VC one

 

 

To the OP, I am in the same boat, I have bought it twice and I have played and bought all the GTA's from the very first through to this one, I am very annoyed at the release of this game, it wasn't ready for this untill proper testing and fixing had been done for multiple users with different setups, I hope Rockstar learn from this mistake and never repeat this to me.

 

 

[Neon25]

 

If I pay for a mop and my neighbour wants to use it, he can because its my property I bought it I can do the f*ck i want with it.

Same goes for internet sharers

Yes if he asks you, just like if you own a car and he asks if he can use it and you say yes. However I think you would take a pretty dim view of your neighbour if he just "borrowed" your car whenever he wanted. When you buy software you do not OWN the program you purchase a RIGHT to use the software, you never have the right to "lend" it or "share" it. You could look at it as you asking the software company if you can use what they own and them saying "yeah if you give us something towards it financially you can use the software". However that does not give you the right to share something you DO NOT own, just like your neighbour has no right to lend YOUR stuff out to people he might like.

I wouldnt mind if he took it and copied my car etc because I always get to keep mine besides i was told since I was a boy that sharing is caring

If you really want to compare torrents/warez to a car, it's like this:

 

You have a great new car. You lend it to a friend. A friend gives your home address in the internet, so all his internet friends AND friends of friends can come and borrow your car. Since they don't have the key to the car, they always break your window and drive away, even though YOU pay for the window itself. You also pay for the fuel, repairs and pay all the fines that users committed. If you want to make the security in your car better, you get a lot of swears incoming from the users of your car. So you decide that each user of your car may use it only 3 times, but then again you get laughed at and people still break into your car. You COULD have made millions just by lending the car for money, but instead your property is being stolen all the time and you don't get any money.

Edited December 19, 2008 by Neon25

[Akolyte01]

Sign.

 

f*cking rockstar.

[Allonzo]

 

If I pay for a mop and my neighbour wants to use it, he can because its my property I bought it I can do the f*ck i want with it.

Same goes for internet sharers

Yes if he asks you, just like if you own a car and he asks if he can use it and you say yes. However I think you would take a pretty dim view of your neighbour if he just "borrowed" your car whenever he wanted. When you buy software you do not OWN the program you purchase a RIGHT to use the software, you never have the right to "lend" it or "share" it. You could look at it as you asking the software company if you can use what they own and them saying "yeah if you give us something towards it financially you can use the software". However that does not give you the right to share something you DO NOT own, just like your neighbour has no right to lend YOUR stuff out to people he might like.

I wouldnt mind if he took it and copied my car etc because I always get to keep mine besides i was told since I was a boy that sharing is caring

If you really want to compare torrents/warez to a car, it's like this:

 

You have a great new car. You lend to a friend. A friend gives your home address in the internet, so all his internet friends AND friends of friends can come and borrow your car. Since they don't have the key to the car, they always break your window and drive away, even though YOU pay for the window itself. You also pay for the fuel, repairs and pay all the fines that users committed. If you want to make the security in your car better, you get a lot of swears incoming from the users of your car. So you decide that each user of your car may use it only 3 times, but then again you get laughed at and people still break into your car. You COULD have made millions just by lending the car for money, but instead your property is being stolen all the time and you don't get any money.

That isnt true because break and entry is a criminal act and piracy is copyright infrigement so its much much much less serious

 

 

also i'm from holland where downloading is (still) allowed and breaking into a car isnt

[Neon25]

If I pay for a mop and my neighbour wants to use it, he can because its my property I bought it I can do the f*ck i want with it.

Same goes for internet sharers

Yes if he asks you, just like if you own a car and he asks if he can use it and you say yes. However I think you would take a pretty dim view of your neighbour if he just "borrowed" your car whenever he wanted. When you buy software you do not OWN the program you purchase a RIGHT to use the software, you never have the right to "lend" it or "share" it. You could look at it as you asking the software company if you can use what they own and them saying "yeah if you give us something towards it financially you can use the software". However that does not give you the right to share something you DO NOT own, just like your neighbour has no right to lend YOUR stuff out to people he might like.

I wouldnt mind if he took it and copied my car etc because I always get to keep mine besides i was told since I was a boy that sharing is caring

If you really want to compare torrents/warez to a car, it's like this:

 

You have a great new car. You lend to a friend. A friend gives your home address in the internet, so all his internet friends AND friends of friends can come and borrow your car. Since they don't have the key to the car, they always break your window and drive away, even though YOU pay for the window itself. You also pay for the fuel, repairs and pay all the fines that users committed. If you want to make the security in your car better, you get a lot of swears incoming from the users of your car. So you decide that each user of your car may use it only 3 times, but then again you get laughed at and people still break into your car. You COULD have made millions just by lending the car for money, but instead your property is being stolen all the time and you don't get any money.

That isnt true because break and entry is a criminal act and piracy is copyright infrigement so its much much much less serious

 

 

also i'm from holland where downloading is (still) allowed and breaking into a car isnt

How can you break copyright infringement on a car?

 

It was an analogy.

[A.I.R]

Dear Rockstar,

 

I am a very loyal Rockstar fan. I have been purchasing your games since the days of DMA. I purchased GTA1, GTA London, GTA2, GTA3, GTA VC, GTA SA all on the PC. Additionally, I also purchased Midnight Club 1 and 2, Manhunt, Bully (which still does not work, because Rockstar cant release a patch ffs!!) and other Rockstar games.

 

I enjoy your games, and you are in my top 3 gaming companies, along with Valve and id Software. I have always respected you Rockstar, but with the recent release of GTA4 on the PC, you have been nothing but a big dissapointment.

 

Back in April, I purchased GTA4 on the PS3. I thought, it was a really well made game, and I just expected so much from GTA4 on the PC, that I just didnt care if I purchased the same game twice. Its worth it, and its Rockstar, so they deserve to get my money twice.

 

But here I am, with GTA4 on the PC, and I am just dissapointed. Unlike most users, I can actually run the game at a steady 40fps. But the game has its problems. Its badly optimised, it has a memory leak, and its not a "PC GAME", its a sh*tty console port, without much thought for what PC gamers want in their games.

 

I spent £50 on GTA4 on the PS3, and a further £35 on GTA4 on the PC. Thats already £85 just from the same game. That is a lot of money. I live in the UK, prices are not cheap, that £85 pounds could have been used on something else, but I decided to give you my hard earned cash.

 

GTA4 on the PC just sucks. Its not ready, and I DEMAND that you fix it, otherwise you might not see my business anymore. Why should purchase another game off you, when you cant even provide me with a decent port on the PC. Next time, I may resort to piracy just to see how good the game is, rather than running to the shop on release day and spending £35 on a game "just because its Rockstar".

 

So I demand that you fix GTA4 on the PC.

 

- Fix the shadows

- Fix the terrible and slow camera

- Fix the memory leak

- Optimise the game for older and newer systems

- Dont lock your game, open it, and release an SDK so people can mod GTA4 to their liking

- Stick in a multiplayer option on the start menu

- Fix the damn controls, let me map my controls to how I want it. I want to use the ENTER key!

- And all the other issues that users are having.

- Release DLC on the PC, and DONT DELAY IT

 

Fix this game, or dont expect more business from me. Since I love Rockstar, I will not demand that you fix this game tomorrow! Ill give you 6 months to get this game fixed up. That should be more than enough time to fix this game. I will wait patiently, and I still trust you and rely on you to get this game up and running.

 

Please dont let us down. We are loyal to you, but you broke our hearts with GTA4, so grab your balls Rockstar, and fix this game. Give us what we deserve to have.

 

Thank you for reading.

Well if you have prob whit the game why buy it 2 times.

 

If i was you i buy it for xbox or ps3 and end of the story

[Ricksta]

I got my 10day refund from GameStation today, I just said it wasn't working but I was just bored of it. It also nice to have 35 quid in you're pocket again.

 

Edit, Oh... I may have accidentally noted down the serial... and downloaded the no-cd and forgot to uninstall... WOOPS

[Allonzo]

 

How can you break copyright infringement on a car?

 

It was an analogy.

OK but if we can stay on your point about the neighbour abusing your stuff, I didnt make a contract with him where he put his signature and said ok I will not lend (abuse) this car to blablabla like when u buy a game and install it you get that long text and u click Yes I agree. Therefor there was never an agreement between me and him to not violate the service of my car or anything else I lended to him (or he chose to break in).

 

If I download a game, I did not sign any contract with the developing company or the middleman (shopkeeper) like when you buy a game you agree to have the rights for a copy of it. (both parties)

So a downloader cannot be put to charge because there was no violation of contract or such

Edited December 19, 2008 by Allonzo

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I would be happy, you greedy c*nt.

 

If I was smart enough, and if i could spend 30 years of my life to find a cure to HIV, or any other disease for that matter, I would HAPPILY share it to the entire world for FREE (except for you). If people on the street could copy a Ferrari I just bought, man that would be great. Thinking how happy they will be driving their way home in a free sport car most of them always dreamed to have.

 

And yes, motherf*cker, I would feel "fine", happy, DELIGHTED, joyful, blessed, thrilled, peppy, pleased, i would feel like walking on A-I-R.

This applies to anything I can provide to my fellow buddies, friends, or family and any other human being.

 

If I had a better job and made spare money, I would be happy to help by giving away money to medical corporations, or buy holidays to poor kids. I don't really much care how hard I worked, if it can make someone happy with that work.

 

But you seem to be one of these who would buy a Ferrari with spare money, instead of helping your fellow earthlings, I assume you don't understand.

 

If games companies weren't like you, and stopped looking for massive profits, the games would be sold way cheaper, and there would be less piracy and more sells, making bigger incomes than there actually is, lowering again the price to a even more reasonable price, totally killing piracy.

If they weren't that greedy, they'd be even richer. Ironic isn't it. And this applies to everything people.

 

Greed is killing them, you, and everyone else.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself...

Havn't seen CharmingCharlie around since you posted that... I think he got owned too much by that epic comeback

[Neon25]

So a downloader cannot be put to charge because there was no violation of contract or such

Sure, so when you steal a car you cannot be put to charge because there was no contract between you and the original owner.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

If I download a game, I did not sign any contract with the developing company or the middleman (shopkeeper) like when you buy a game you agree to have the rights for a copy of it. (both parties)

So a downloader cannot be put to charge because there was no violation of contract or such

Rockstar OWN the game they paid millions to develop the game when you take a copy of the game you have no rights or permissions to do so therefore it is STEALING end of story. You have no rights to that software so why you feel you do is beyond me. You are only a pirate if yoiu hack your leg and hand off replace it with a hook and peg leg, get on a f*cking galleon and sale the Caribbean whilst feeding a f*cking parrot called polly on your shoulder and go "Yarrrrrrrrrr keel haul them".

 

It makes me laugh the way thieves try and justify stealing what they have no right too. Oh I downloaded this game found out it was crap but hey I am going to keep it and play it because I have a right to it !!!!!!!!!!! why do you have a right to it ?

 

 

Havn't seen CharmingCharlie around since you posted that... I think he got owned too much by that epic comeback

I do have other things to do you know, like play GTA 4 which I am loving.

[Akolyte01]

If I download a game, I did not sign any contract with the developing company or the middleman (shopkeeper) like when you buy a game you agree to have the rights for a copy of it. (both parties)

So a downloader cannot be put to charge because there was no violation of contract or such

Rockstar OWN the game they paid millions to develop the game when you take a copy of the game you have no rights or permissions to do so therefore it is STEALING end of story. You have no rights to that software so why you feel you do is beyond me. You are only a pirate if yoiu hack your leg and hand off replace it with a hook and peg leg, get on a f*cking galleon and sale the Caribbean whilst feeding a f*cking parrot called polly on your shoulder and go "Yarrrrrrrrrr keel haul them".

 

It makes me laugh the way thieves try and justify stealing what they have no right too. Oh I downloaded this game found out it was crap but hey I am going to keep it and play it because I have a right to it !!!!!!!!!!! why do you have a right to it ?

 

 

Havn't seen CharmingCharlie around since you posted that... I think he got owned too much by that epic comeback

I do have other things to do you know, like play GTA 4 which I am loving.

It isn't stealing. Calling it stealing just makes you sound retarded. Stealing is taking. Copying is copying.

 

You can call it wrong all you want, that's your opinion. I happen to disagree with you, but the point is debatable.

 

Downloading as stealing however is not.

[Allonzo]

 

So a downloader cannot be put to charge because there was no violation of contract or such

Sure, so when you steal a car you cannot be put to charge because there was no contract between you and the original owner.

Contract law doesnt apply here, I didnt break the game and leave permanent damage to it did I?

This is objectively wrong, it is morality and it exists independently of contracts.

 

So contracts are not applicable in this case its simple right and wrong

 

Once again, contracts do not define right and wrong and there are some things to which they do not apply. This is one of them.