STEAL THIS GAME!

[abottig]

3: Piracy is NOT ILLEGAL... Downloading anything of the internet, copying a friends movie or cd.... it's called copyright infringement and is a CIVIL not a CRIMINAL issue. Please look it up, and try to comprehend what is a very simple thing. Are you mistaking stealing a physical product from a store with downloading a non physical item from the internet? The only time it becomes a criminal matter is when you try to profit from it, so start selling those bootleg cd's and dvd's and feel the long arm of the law... Upload or download a copyrighted work and you can be sued in CIVIL court by the copyright holder. You will not get a criminal conviction and you will not go to jail.

True. But keep in mind that if you are hauled into the court by the RIAA or other governing body, your fine will be outrageous.

[DeeperRed]

Just to point out

Piracy and stealing are completely diffrent things.

 

When you pirate something you make a copy and leave the original

When you steal something you take the original

 

Anyway I pirate PC games becuase you can't rent them. If there sh*t uninstall, if there good I will go buy them. I am 16 so money is hard for me

Edited December 18, 2008 by DeeperRed

[ArecBalrin]

Well why don't you just get the game, test it and if it doesn't work just take it back. OR, if they don't let you, keep it for a couple years and wait for you next computer. Because you do know that piracy is ILLEGAL.

 

Everytime you post, you sound more and more like a tard.

 

1: In some countries you can't take a game back once you have opening and tried it... Stupid rule that should be changed. No SANE person wants to spend their hard earned money on something that doesn't work.

 

2: We used to get game demos, you could try a game before you buy... that rarely happens now... especially with big name games.. the bigger the game, the more likely no demo.

 

3: Piracy is NOT ILLEGAL... Downloading anything of the internet, copying a friends movie or cd.... it's called copyright infringement and is a CIVIL not a CRIMINAL issue. Please look it up, and try to comprehend what is a very simple thing. Are you mistaking stealing a physical product from a store with downloading a non physical item from the internet? The only time it becomes a criminal matter is when you try to profit from it, so start selling those bootleg cd's and dvd's and feel the long arm of the law... Upload or download a copyrighted work and you can be sued in CIVIL court by the copyright holder. You will not get a criminal conviction and you will not go to jail.

Illegal means against the law or a set of rules set by who ever in any form. So all the agreements that the game has set forth. That everyone agrees to, is a legal matter. Be it civil or criminal. It's still "illegal". I haven't read a eula or term of agreement for quite some time, but I would think it would state - that to copy and distribute this piece of software without the consent of the publisher or who ever. Would constitute unlawful behavior in which you can be prosecuted. I don't think it would say go ahead and copy that away trade it with who ever just as, long as you don't make a profit from it.

 

Illegal is illegal is illegal.

Sort of. Anti-piracy annoy-a-thons on DVDs made by the Federation Against Copyright Theft(FACT, a pretty dishonest acronym given the content of the advert) states 'piracy is stealing, stealing is against the LAW'.

 

Which begs the question, why do they so overtly mix-up the meaning of stealing, copyright and piracy? If they said 'copyright is against the LAW' they would not just be wrong, but not making any grammatical sense. Copyright Infringement is illegal but to be more specific: Copright Infringement is not Piracy. They very deliberately blur the line to make out that it is all criminal. The difference between a criminal act and an illegal but non-criminal one isn't a matter of semantics.

 

If the system is so on their side, why do they NEED to fudge accurate information? The truth alone is on their side anyway. They've set it up so even reporting accurate information must mean you're pro-piracy.

[ArecBalrin]

Just to point out

Piracy and stealing are completely diffrent things.

 

When you pirate something you make a copy and leave the original

When you steal something you take the original

 

Anyway I pirate PC games becuase you can't rent them. If there sh*t uninstall, if there good I will go buy them. I am 6 so money is hard for me

You are six and need to wash your filthy mouth out and stop hanging around forums for 18+ and Mature rated games.

[UndeadDevil]

 

Illegal means against the law or a set of rules set by who ever in any form. So all the agreements that the game has set forth. That everyone agrees to, is a legal matter. Be it civil or criminal. It's still "illegal"

As livilaNic just said piracy is illegal full stop, but I still agree with it in my justified reasons, and I am covered because of the following:

There is a big difference between Civil and Criminal

 

Criminal = Massive fine/prison (Dream Pinball for example, 1 Person was fined 2 years of job pay)

Civil = You pay for the game + Court Fee's (And it can *often* be solved outside of court if you buy the game)

 

As I previously mentioned, your only classed as criminal if you distribute the content yourself (P2P/Burn)

Edited December 18, 2008 by UndeadDevil

[DeeperRed]

Just to point out

Piracy and stealing are completely diffrent things.

 

When you pirate something you make a copy and leave the original

When you steal something you take the original

 

Anyway I pirate PC games becuase you can't rent them. If there sh*t uninstall, if there good I will go buy them. I am 6 so money is hard for me 

You are six and need to wash your filthy mouth out and stop hanging around forums for 18+ and Mature rated games.

I meant 16

[UndeadDevil]

How can money be tight for you? You have a great rig

[DeeperRed]

How can money be tight for you? You have a great rig

Where did you think the money went I am still paying my Dad back for it as we speak.

 

£100 left.. whoop whoop

[ArecBalrin]

Just to point out

Piracy and stealing are completely diffrent things.

 

When you pirate something you make a copy and leave the original

When you steal something you take the original

 

Anyway I pirate PC games becuase you can't rent them. If there sh*t uninstall, if there good I will go buy them. I am 6 so money is hard for me 

You are six and need to wash your filthy mouth out and stop hanging around forums for 18+ and Mature rated games.

I meant 16

WASH IT OUT!

[abottig]

Anyway I pirate PC games becuase you can't rent them. If there sh*t uninstall, if there good I will go buy them. I am 6 so money is hard for me

i agree.

 

also, when you download pirated software you do so knowing that there is nothing "official" about it. there are no "warranties" on pirated material. quality is not guaranteed, nor is extra content. these are the inherent faults of piracy. corporations like rockstar need to understand how these faults affect the consumer. they need to offer superior quality, with a superior content delivery method, and support.

 

[torresno9]

How can money be tight for you? You have a great rig 

Where did you think the money went I am still paying my Dad back for it as we speak.

 

£100 left.. whoop whoop

lol that cpu only came out in nov, u've paid a lot off in a short space of time if there's only 100 left to pay, would have cost over a grand that machine all told.

 

your either not being honest or uve nicked it m8 or both

[ArecBalrin]

Yes that's definately what they need to do.

 

One day they might.

[UndeadDevil]

 

also, when you download pirated software you do so knowing that there is nothing "official" about it. there are no "warranties" on pirated material. quality is not guaranteed, nor is extra content. these are the inherent faults of piracy. corporations like rockstar need to understand how these faults affect the consumer. they need to offer superior quality, with a superior content delivery method, and support.

Don't forget Online Play, one of the best things you can do with GTA *Once Decent Modded Servers come out*, I've been playing SA:MP for several years now on Modded Servers.

 

Also I am using the Securom Cracked Launcher, you should all do the same, after all your playing on a PC not a lesser Console so why should you have to constantly put the DVD in to play when it only reads half a meg or so off the disk then doesn't use it!

 

Some have also claimed the cracked launcher has given them improved performance however I've seen no difference in Fraps. (Logitech G15 v1 ftw)

Edited December 18, 2008 by UndeadDevil

[DeeperRed]

How can money be tight for you? You have a great rig 

Where did you think the money went I am still paying my Dad back for it as we speak.

 

£100 left.. whoop whoop

lol that cpu only came out in nov, u've paid a lot off in a short space of time if there's only 100 left to pay, would have cost over a grand that machine all told.

 

your either not being honest or uve nicked it m8 or both

Some parts are older, i.e the case, the psu, The GFX cards, disc drives etc

It cost me £500 for the RAM, CPU and Mobo. I had £230 in the bank, then I am scraping some together to pay him off

[livilaNic]

Sort of. Anti-piracy annoy-a-thons on DVDs made by the Federation Against Copyright Theft(FACT, a pretty dishonest acronym given the content of the advert) states 'piracy is stealing, stealing is against the LAW'.

 

Which begs the question, why do they so overtly mix-up the meaning of stealing, copyright and piracy? If they said 'copyright is against the LAW' they would not just be wrong, but not making any grammatical sense. Copyright Infringement is illegal but to be more specific: Copright Infringement is not Piracy. They very deliberately blur the line to make out that it is all criminal. The difference between a criminal act and an illegal but non-criminal one isn't a matter of semantics.

 

If the system is so on their side, why do they NEED to fudge accurate information? The truth alone is on their side anyway. They've set it up so even reporting accurate information must mean you're pro-piracy.

Yeah I'm not sure about all that. I haven't really looked into everything on the subject. The way you put though. Seems that they need to iron it out. Or they will be left with what we have here. This side that side, neither of which are necessarily wrong. It seems that the rule set is unclear. They need to set a strict rule or meanings of the rule that state exactly what it means. As well as virtual vs real so on and so forth. So that it can be dealt with on an even playing field.

[trip]

i try to stay clear of piracy talks but............

software piracy predates the pc and the internet. piracy effects console games too. even the atari 2600 games were pirated back in the day.

 

times have changed

 

anti-pirates, just hold tight. the kiddies who think they are high seas rebels are just going to piss in their own water.

 

pirate kiddies(torrent bottom feeders) - go ahead and keep spouting how cool you are with your piracy and see how long it lasts.

 

_____________

i just hate that developers and publishers have been using it[piracy] as an excuse lately

 

 

 

[abottig]

 

i try to stay clear of piracy talks but............

software piracy predates the pc and the internet.  piracy effects console games too.  even the atari 2600 games were pirated back in the day.

 

times have changed

 

anti-pirates,  just hold tight. the kiddies who think they are high seas rebels are just going to piss in their own water.

 

pirate kiddies(torrent bottom feeders) - go ahead and keep spouting how cool you are with your piracy and see how long it lasts.

 

_____________

i just hate that developers and publishers have been using it[piracy] as an excuse lately

i'm sorry but i don't think the discussion here is about "kiddies" but rather consumers who earn an income, and therefore would be potentially able to make a decision to download or purchase copyrighted content.

 

you're entirely missing the point.

 

copyright infringement (otherwise known as piracy) is here to stay. look at these figures and then tell me "how long it lasts."

 

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_...are-piracy-rate

 

when the piracy rate for SOFTWARE ONLY is 60%, i'd say piracy will be here for as long as we are. btw, copyright infringement has been around since at least 1703.

Edited December 18, 2008 by abottig

[UndeadDevil]

 

software piracy predates the pc and the internet.  piracy effects console games too.  even the atari 2600 games were pirated back in the day.

The Xbox 360 is more pirated than PC Games now, Microsofts own fault, plug SATA Cable into XBox DVD-ROM (You need right chipset for the drive though), boot into DOS Bootdisk and Flash. Done your XBox now plays copied games. (Note: Latest DVD-ROM isn't cracked atm)

 

Its odd, I'm using the exact same network right now that was used to distribute those files before the internet as we know it was born (Before HTTP), although I assume you meant BBS?

 

Piracy has existed since the birth of networking (ARPAnet?), it will never die, the only defense against it is making a game that people feel compelled to buy the game! Blizzard and Valve have this effect on me, I'll always buy there games. (Except for WOW, not my thing)

Edited December 18, 2008 by UndeadDevil

[DeeperRed]

My 360 has the NME v2.0 chip on it so I can play pirated games and use live. I only download them if I can't be arsed to vist Blockbuster

[Toshi_TNE]

Piracy has existed since the birth of networking (ARPAnet?)...

Piracy existed long before that. Remember the pirates? Naughty bastards.

[TruXter]

One thread about stolen material leads to more threads about theft.

To keep this place running, they have to stop that type of topic at the

first sprout, otherwise the advertisers will drop this site in a flash. It is in the policy they agreed to when they signed up for advertisement. Just because you think it is wrong to prevent theft and you found some old miss quoted M$ phrase, does not mean you have a right to be and do what ever you want while on someone else's website. I say go get a job, buy your goods and examine them untill you either learn to apreaciate being a man who deserves everything he has, or come up with a unique patent sell your own goods. While creating, do your best to prevent people from duplicating it and getting your item for free.

 

 

[keta-trypt]

I believe software is like art. If you really like what you are doing, you will do it, even if there is no reward. You will do it just for the sake of doing it, and to enjoy the final result..

 

but thats not what we are taught to do. We are taught to compete for the highest paying job so we can have life better then our neibors.. its so wrong..

 

I really think the world needs to come to a realization very soon. Because the truth is, all we need is 1)water 2)food 3)shelter..

 

anything other then that is not nessasary. its a hobby. A past time. a GAME.

 

its sooo wrong for people to make a living off of stuff like this. There are people on this planet STARVING.. and you sit there and make a f*cking game... a game? Whats wrong with you? are you so blind as to not see what is happening on this planet?

 

[ciphrix]

 

My 360 has the NME v2.0 chip on it so I can play pirated games and use live. I only download them if I can't be arsed to vist Blockbuster

Ahhhhh Maaaaa, I'm telling on you

 

On a serious note, I'm actually more puzzled why piracy isn't even more widespread. From a Economics point of view, it's irrational to buy ANY software you can obtain/download for free or very little cost.

 

Only reasons I can come up with is that a lot of people still don't know what Torrents are or how to use p2p, or they REALLY like that warm fuzzy feeling they get for supporting the developers and willing to folk out the $99 AUD to experience it...

 

edit: I'm assuming the legit copy and the pirated version are identical in function/features

 

Also to the post above mine, you don't need medicine? Eletricity/Gas? Other stuff I can't think of right now but no doubt you need but did not list?

Edited December 18, 2008 by ciphrix

[trip]

i'm sorry but i don't think the discussion here is about "kiddies" but rather consumers who earn an income, and therefore would be potentially able to make a decision to download or purchase copyrighted content.

 

you're entirely missing the point.

 

copyright infringement (otherwise known as piracy) is here to stay. look at these figures and then tell me "how long it lasts."

 

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_...are-piracy-rate

 

when the piracy rate for SOFTWARE ONLY is 60%, i'd say piracy will be here for as long as we are. btw, copyright infringement has been around since at least 1703.

im not missing the point - trust me. i just used the term 'kiddies' because it is used elsewhere to discribe people who use torrents and http protocols to download illegal software.

 

@UndeadDevil BBSs had their piracy abilities, but I was drawing from a few years before the BBS. AsciiExpress(AE lines they were called). that was real theft back then since you had to do illegal things to avoid a huge phone bill while transerfering data at 300 baud.

 

@abottig - i am a quite person that doesn't argue, but the game industry has even been talking about bringing back the 'code wheel' to prevent piracy. as much as i hated the 'code wheel' concept in the 80s and 90s, i do belive it would help cut into the piracy excuse developers and publishers use these days. think about it - the 'code wheel' concept would prevent wide spread distribution. you may be able to finagle a copy for a friend but the large groups in the scene would not be able to crack something and distribute it to the world.

 

sure - they wont bring back the actual code wheels becuase anyone could dismantle a code wheel and scan or copy in to a softcopy, but who is to say they don't bring back some of the trickier 'code wheel' technologies that can't be scanned or copied. there were more than enough games that used uncopieable code wheel techs back during the code wheel days.

[TruXter]

I believe software is like art. If you really like what you are doing, you will do it, even if there is no reward. You will do it just for the sake of doing it, and to enjoy the final result..

 

but thats not what we are taught to do. We are taught to compete for the highest paying job so we can have life better then our neibors.. its so wrong..

 

I really think the world needs to come to a realization very soon. Because the truth is, all we need is 1)water 2)food 3)shelter..

 

anything other then that is not nessasary. its a hobby. A past time. a GAME.

 

its sooo wrong for people to make a living off of stuff like this. There are people on this planet STARVING.. and you sit there and make a f*cking game... a game? Whats wrong with you? are you so blind as to not see what is happening on this planet?

People starve because they lived generations in the fricken desert.

People are starving because They don't know how to spell necessary or when to use the word "than" instead of the word "then".

 

Some people are starving because they are too lazy to work for what they need. They think it is wrong to request someone make trade for the goods provided. They are starving because it wouldn't be "gangsta" enough to work at cluckin bell to come up with enough money to buy a car to get to a location with a better job and pay. We have people starving because militant rule that governs a village, a village that is happy where they , because they know of nothing better. It would be wrong to change what they do not want changed, it would be wrong to force your opinion on them.

there are people starving because a worthless lil prick is in a forum ranting about how effort paying off is wrong, because he is too broke dick to go get a job and earn what he has.

 

[DeeperRed]

I like Radiohead's perspetive on Music

 

"We make music to please people, we don't care if they pirate it as long as they listen to it. We make more money off live tours then we do with Albums" Then they backed that up by putting there album up for free and you could pay if you wanted to.

 

 

[INFP]

 

sure - they wont bring back the actual code wheels becuase anyone could dismantle a code wheel and scan or copy in to a softcopy, but who is to say they don't bring back some of the trickier 'code wheel' technologies that can't be scanned or copied.  there were more than enough games that used uncopieable code wheel techs back during the code wheel days.

 

Unfortunately whatever piece of code exists / would exist to check that the code answer supplied was correct would just be cracked, as a very basic description, to return TRUE regardless of what code was entered by the user.

With the PC as it is at present, copy protection isn't going to prevent singleplayer piracy. Which is why if developers want to continue on the platform they have to start pumping out games with a small single player that is attached to a LARGER multiplayer experience. A great example of this would be Left 4 Dead, which really does come into its own in multiplayer versus mode. However, and I suspect this may be the case, developers are like every other human being out there (greedy bastards) they will just slowly drop the pc platform and move to others that have a higher profit margin. This is regardless of whether piracy is the reason or not. Simply put, its all down to the money.

[ArecBalrin]

TruXter yet again makes a post where I can't understand a single thing said because it's just generalist nonsense that pays no heed to the conversation that is actually going on around it.

[sushir]

 

ADAPT TO THE MARKET! GIVE PIRATES A REASON TO BUY THE GAME!!

 

hollywood and the recording industry were losing millions to piracy, when someone had the bright idea of offering a service that counteracts piracy. Enter: the itunes store. instead of browsing shady p2p networks for quality, reliable files, the itunes store makes the process easy and affordable, thus luring away millions of potential pirates. websites like hulu.com and netflix offer movie and television titles "on demand." netflix charges a monthly fee and hulu runs on advertising. all of these services and ones like them are examples companies adapting to the marketplace and lurin g away potential piracy.

 

multiplayer is the holy grail of gaming. the ONLY reason i bought the retail version of IV is so that i can play online. but, i'm very glad i got the cracked version first just to make sure the game would work on my pc. in the end, rockstar got my money.

In INDIA where the piracy rate is around 70%, Rockstar has set the retail price for the game to 499/- ($10 approx.) Almost all other A-list titles go for something around $25 (kinda un-affordable...). GTAIV original copy here in INDIA is selling like hot cakes cos' even the [pirated version] retails somewhere around $5 ... nice move R* ... we love you !!!!

 

ROCKSTAR WE LOVE YOU FOR THAT !!!!

 

I tried the game out too before R* got my money ! but boy they got it !!! i could have paid even double !!! it is so good !

[trip]

sure - they wont bring back the actual code wheels becuase anyone could dismantle a code wheel and scan or copy in to a softcopy, but who is to say they don't bring back some of the trickier 'code wheel' technologies that can't be scanned or copied.  there were more than enough games that used uncopieable code wheel techs back during the code wheel days.

 

Unfortunately whatever piece of code exists / would exist to check that the code answer supplied was correct would just be cracked, as a very basic description, to return TRUE regardless of what code was entered by the user.

With the PC as it is at present, copy protection isn't going to prevent singleplayer piracy. Which is why if developers want to continue on the platform they have to start pumping out games with a small single player that is attached to a LARGER multiplayer experience. A great example of this would be Left 4 Dead, which really does come into its own in multiplayer versus mode. However, and I suspect this may be the case, developers are like every other human being out there (greedy bastards) they will just slowly drop the pc platform and move to others that have a higher profit margin. This is regardless of whether piracy is the reason or not. Simply put, its all down to the money.

solid point brother. and the left for dead ref is a good example of that concept.

 

bottom line is piracy has always been around and will always be here - the queation has always been how to minimize it's impact on a company's bottom line, yet not piss off the costumers in the process.