STEAL THIS GAME!

[GamerShotgun]

 

If you don't want the game then don't buy it. If you do then you MUST buy it. Thats how it works.

 

There is no excuse for piracy. All this "I wasnted to try if first" or "R* doesn't deserve my money" bullsh*t makes my blood boil. Grow up FFS.

Seriously.. warez isn't illegal as long as you don't share a product, and get rid of it in 24 hours from the moment you've downloaded it.

 

So after downloading a product, you can make sure it isn't a piece of crap and that way you can test if it runs on your pc properly, or has critical bugs. That's something what demos are for, but if you take in mind that most of the features that meant to be only accesible for those who bought the game, you can clearly understand why there's a term "warez".

 

Simply because most of the final features what weren't in the demo of a game will be rushed in..Why? Because developers nowadays don't really care about their fanbases, just rushes things as fast as they can, and publish a demo where you get neat, polished features, but not ALL of them.

 

Therefore the final features are buggy as hell, and you end up as an alpha tester of a PC game, which meant to be a PC game, not a piece of sh*t what is called a "superior gaming system (X360 or PS3).

 

The reason why most of Rockstar Games products get sucked down from the internet is mainly because they are just too f*cking lazy to release DEMOS first.

 

Or... am I the only one who didn't even hear about a GTA IV, SA, VC, or III demo at all?

 

Console gamers don't need those, because they know that they small little stinking system not only has support from game developers, but from the system's developers (Sony or Microsoft) too. That's why they can say that PC sucks and everything... and that's mainly why they don't download as many games as an average PC gamer does.

 

Not to mention how consoles are limited if we talk about backups

 

AND there's another reason: No one is going to buy something when he/she has an easy way of getting it for free. At least if someone has common sense, and uses his/her money for buying clothes, food and other important stuff, instead of PC games.

[Quemical]

My vista is legit cuz it came with my DELL XPS 420, but before that i had a bootleg XP Pro cuz i didn't feel like paying $200 for XP after building my old system

[PacMaan]

The only reason Microsoft became the most popular OS is because it was so easy to pirate

[abottig]

 

The only reason Microsoft became the most popular OS is because it was so easy to pirate

yes.

 

"It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not."

--Bill Gates

 

 

[Aquaphonic]

Summed up version of Devil's Advocate column in last month's PC Gamer (UK):

 

In a lot of industries when new products are released "freebies" of the product are often given away to the loudest people e.g. stars, journos etc so the company can get lots of free advertising. The majority of PC gamers have no clue when it comes to DLing and installing pirated games, but the ones who do are likely to be the most tech savvy and are also probably quite "loud" (so to speak), e.g. regularly frequent and post on various forums etc. Pirates should therefore not be prosecuted or encouraged but simply tolerated, as the benefits of their presence (free advertising) outweighs the cons (lost revenues).

 

I would provide some quotes but I've lost the damn magazine. It would be interesting if anyone has any data to support or refute such claims.

[GamerShotgun]

 

The only reason Microsoft became the most popular OS is because it was so easy to pirate 

 

The reason why they became popular is related to marketing, not to piracy...

[abottig]

Summed up version of Devil's Advocate column in last month's PC Gamer (UK):

 

In a lot of industries when new products are released "freebies" of the product are often given away to the loudest people e.g. stars, journos etc so the company can get lots of free advertising. The majority of PC gamers have no clue when it comes to DLing and installing pirated games, but the ones who do are likely to be the most tech savvy and are also probably quite "loud" (so to speak), e.g. regularly frequent and post on various forums etc. Pirates should therefore not be prosecuted or encouraged but simply tolerated, as the benefits of their presence (free advertising) outweighs the cons (lost revenues).

 

I would provide some quotes but I've lost the damn magazine. It would be interesting if anyone has any data to support or refute such claims.

"It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not."

--Bill Gates

[PacMaan]

+2

[Quemical]

[GamerShotgun]

Summed up version of Devil's Advocate column in last month's PC Gamer (UK):

 

In a lot of industries when new products are released "freebies" of the product are often given away to the loudest people e.g. stars, journos etc so the company can get lots of free advertising. The majority of PC gamers have no clue when it comes to DLing and installing pirated games, but the ones who do are likely to be the most tech savvy and are also probably quite "loud" (so to speak), e.g. regularly frequent and post on various forums etc. Pirates should therefore not be prosecuted or encouraged but simply tolerated, as the benefits of their presence (free advertising) outweighs the cons (lost revenues).

 

I would provide some quotes but I've lost the damn magazine. It would be interesting if anyone has any data to support or refute such claims.

"It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not."

--Bill Gates

Makes sense mate...

 

They are taking advantage over a free, open-source OS... with a piece of crap which is f*cking expensive..

 

That's simply... not logical. I guess the humanity IS stupid.

[creat3d22]

 

Well why don't you just get the game, test it and if it doesn't work just take it back. OR, if they don't let you, keep it for a couple years and wait for you next computer. Because you do know that piracy is ILLEGAL. 

If something is ILLEGAL then it's WRONG of course...

[GamerShotgun]

You know that the word "WRONG" can depend on a person's view?

 

And a quick question: Is it a legal thing to f*ck up your costumers, and publish FAKE information about a game? Because the minimum requirements what GTA IV PC has from official sources is a big stinking pile of sh*t.

[Quemical]

You know that the word "WRONG" can depend on a person's view?

 

And a quick question: Is it a legal thing to f*ck up your costumers, and publish FAKE information about a game? Because the minimum requirements what GTA IV PC has from official sources is a big stinking pile of sh*t.

Good question. I remember hearing Hyundai having to pay a fine for false advertising on how much MPG their cars got

[GamerShotgun]

Well it's not false advertising, but false information...

 

They even lied about that "the game is built up from the ground for PC" thing.. It's clearly a port.. but even if they did lie, we wouldn't be complaining if they've done it good, not like this.

[livilaNic]

You know that the word "WRONG" can depend on a person's view?

 

And a quick question: Is it a legal thing to f*ck up your costumers, and publish FAKE information about a game? Because the minimum requirements what GTA IV PC has from official sources is a big stinking pile of sh*t.

That is true. They should be held accountable. Did they really lie though? I don't think so. There's systems that can be run on those reqs and some that can't. I haven't seen anything that says EVERYONE with those specs had a problem. Now you can say even people with over the reqs have problems. O.k. That still doesn't mean they were false. Now most games say this or that. And thats what people expect. That doesn't mean R* used those same conventions in rating the reqs. On what could and will run the game correctly. I'm not sure how they rated it or how they came to those reqs either. So I can't just flat out say they lied.

[GamerShotgun]

Well you are maybe right. But I can even remember they stated that 3 year old systems can run the game too? Seriously... what?

[Toshi_TNE]

You know that the word "WRONG" can depend on a person's view?

 

And a quick question: Is it a legal thing to f*ck up your costumers, and publish FAKE information about a game? Because the minimum requirements what GTA IV PC has from official sources is a big stinking pile of sh*t.

That is true. They should be held accountable. Did they really lie though? I don't think so. There's systems that can be run on those reqs and some that can't. I haven't seen anything that says EVERYONE with those specs had a problem. Now you can say even people with over the reqs have problems. O.k. That still doesn't mean they were false. Now most games say this or that. And thats what people expect. That doesn't mean R* used those same conventions in rating the reqs. On what could and will run the game correctly. I'm not sure how they rated it or how they came to those reqs either. So I can't just flat out say they lied.

Just think about the "Vista capable" fiasco. Sure, the PC's with the stickers were capable of running Vista, but they ran like crap. Aero disabled, which was one of the biggest selling points for the non techies.

 

PC's that meet the minimum requirements for GTA IV can run it. They run like crap. If you have the minimum requirements you expect the graphics to be bad, but you still expect it to be playable. 8FPS is not playable.

[livilaNic]

You know that the word "WRONG" can depend on a person's view?

 

And a quick question: Is it a legal thing to f*ck up your costumers, and publish FAKE information about a game? Because the minimum requirements what GTA IV PC has from official sources is a big stinking pile of sh*t.

That is true. They should be held accountable. Did they really lie though? I don't think so. There's systems that can be run on those reqs and some that can't. I haven't seen anything that says EVERYONE with those specs had a problem. Now you can say even people with over the reqs have problems. O.k. That still doesn't mean they were false. Now most games say this or that. And thats what people expect. That doesn't mean R* used those same conventions in rating the reqs. On what could and will run the game correctly. I'm not sure how they rated it or how they came to those reqs either. So I can't just flat out say they lied.

Just think about the "Vista capable" fiasco. Sure, the PC's with the stickers were capable of running Vista, but they ran like crap. Aero disabled, which was one of the biggest selling points for the non techies.

 

PC's that meet the minimum requirements for GTA IV can run it. They run like crap. If you have the minimum requirements you expect the graphics to be bad, but you still expect it to be playable. 8FPS is not playable.

Understood.

 

Like I said, I'm not sure how they rated those reqs. Did they run on one machine and say ok thats good enough. Did they run it on multiple machines at those reqs and say ok good to go. I don't know. If they did run it on one machine and say alright lets get this out to print. Yes that's sh*tty. But if they tested it with what they had over many systems and found nothing unplayable. Then I don't know what to say. Again though I can't really say one way or another what the case is. I would need to know exactly what happened to be able to conclude - that they flat out lied. To then accuse them of something wrong or unlawful.

[Toshi_TNE]

Understood.

 

Like I said, I'm not sure how they rated those reqs. Did they run on one machine and say ok thats good enough. Did they run it on multiple machines at those reqs and say ok good to go. I don't know. If they did run it on one machine and say alright lets get this out to print. Yes that's sh*tty. But if they tested it with what they had over many systems and found nothing unplayable. Then I don't know what to say. Again though I can't really say one way or another what the case is. I would need to know exactly what happened to be able to conclude - that they flat out lied. To then accuse them of something wrong or unlawful.

What I think happened was that they based the specs on tests in an earlier build. Like the one some reviewers got where you could tweak more settings, like shadow and reflection maps regardless of the res. Then they decided to change some stuff for the final build that raised the specs, but the DVD covers were already being printed. Something stupid like that.

[livilaNic]

Understood.

 

Like I said, I'm not sure how they rated those reqs. Did they run on one machine and say ok thats good enough. Did they run it on multiple machines at those reqs and say ok good to go. I don't know. If they did run it on one machine and say alright lets get this out to print. Yes that's sh*tty. But if they tested it with what they had over many systems and found nothing unplayable. Then I don't know what to say. Again though I can't really say one way or another what the case is. I would need to know exactly what happened to be able to conclude - that they flat out lied. To then accuse them of something wrong or unlawful.

What I think happened was that they based the specs on tests in an earlier build. Like the one some reviewers got where you could tweak more settings, like shadow and reflection maps regardless of the res. Then they decided to change some stuff for the final build that raised the specs, but the DVD covers were already being printed. Something stupid like that.

Could be the case. Which it's another money saving, sh*tty way to go about things. Again couldn't say they did anything wrong or illegal though. I just wish they would stop all of the silence and tell us why or what happened in every respect. Silence is what breads this sh*t. Not saying anyone is sh*t or what they say is sh*t. Just saying no one really knows for sure, but come to conclusions before they know what really happened.

[nicotin3]

Theres plenty of games that dont have online play and many gamers dont even play online.

You have adventure/platform games, RPG's, RTS's, simulations.. So because they dont have online they are stealware?

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr Heckler]

Sorry not going to work on me. Would you steal a car to try it out? Would you open it can of soup while your still in the store just to taste it?

 

Read reviews and forums and stuff like a normal person.

 

Of all the stupid, pathetic arguments to make... you really picked the cream of the crop.

 

Let me explain a few simple facts to you.

 

1: You can test drive a car, a decent dealer will let you have the car for several hrs or perhaps the weekend to truly get the feel for it. If a dealer is only going to let me have a 20min test drive they don't get my money... End of story.

 

2: Soup costs a few pennies (cents, or what ever currency you have). It's easy to buy a can to see if you like it... comparing it to a car or a game people spend 100 times more on (soup here is 50p the game is £25) is moronic... Might as well compare it to the price of anything in the world every invented/sold/bought.. or dreamed up. Yes, I'd like to steal that Star Destroyer and take it for spin before I buy the next Lucasarts game.

 

3: Reviews - When not rated by real consumers who have bought and played the game are worth absolutely sh*t... They are bought and paid for by the game developers/publishers... the whole thing is a crock. It gets worse the bigger the game, the more expensive it is to develop the more hype and spin they have to give it to make it sell better... regardless of the quality of the actual product.

 

4: A normal person... well you probably don't fall into the category yourself. Anyone on here who claims to be all pious and free from sin.. that has has never downloaded anything they never paid for, has never borrowed and copied a CD from a friend, never recorded a show of TV and lent it out, never lied about anything... those people... well, they're FIGMENTS OF YOUR IMAGINATION. They don't exist.

 

The simple fact is... people like free stuff... go figure.

 

The real reasons behind piracy are as follows... try to keep up.

 

1: Some people are thieving gits who will take what ever they can with no remorse and no regard for consequences. We like to call these people.. scum, worthless pieces of sh*t.

 

2: Some people are reasonably honest and decent folks... but occasionally if they can get away with something minor they will. We like to call these the NORMAL people.

 

3: Some like to claim they are all pure and innocent, they never do anything wrong and like to sit on the internet and act pious and attack anyone who's view differs from theirs. We like to call these the people with their heads up their arses.

 

 

 

Times are changing and attitudes towards this sort of thing have changed... The funny thing is that we the consumers are what drives the market... If you make something we want, we buy it... charge to much for it, rip us of with poor quality, bad service, collude with other companies to fix prices for decades... ya know the sort of things that happen all the time... We the consumers eventually tire of it... and look elsewhere for what we want... and we have been given carte blanche to feel guilt free about it because we're tired of being taken for mugs.

 

 

[UndeadDevil]

I am classed as a Pirate. I download games and play them for a day or two, at this point I either get bored of the game and uninstall it or buy it.

Many games that come out do not provide demo's, and those that do normally only have 1% of the game included these days, some are even pre-release demos (Crysis Demo for example)

 

Games "Pirated" by me in past 3 Months:

Downloaded Diablo 2 + LOD = I bought Battle Chest from eBay (+ Starcraft Battle Chest) < This is 60UKP to them after I "pirated" one of there games

Downloaded Fallout 3 = Bought via play.com

Downloaded GTA IV after properly cracked = Bought via Steam, then refunded via Steam and bought from my local "Game" Store (Steam charged almost twice as much!) *No Demo, its a sandbox so not practical for demo*

Downloaded World of Goo = Bought via Official Site *No Demo*

Downloaded Call of Duty - World at War = Not Bought and now Uninstalled due to it being CoD3.5

Downloaded NFS:Undercover = Not Bought, Uninstalled *No Demo*

Downloaded Spore = Bought via eBay (Got it cheap from South Africa within 5 days) *No Demo*

Downloaded Tomb Raider Underworld = Uninstalled, will buy next month

Downloaded Left 4 Dead = Bought after I finished first "movie" *No Demo Now*

Downloaded Sacred 2 = Uninstalled within 30 mins *No Demo*

 

Am I the only person who's like this?

 

Lastly, Bender Anti-Piracy (YouTube)

Edited December 18, 2008 by UndeadDevil

[Pixelated]

In the minds of software, game\movie\music companies they say, How can we compete with free? We can't so we'll try everything we know about the old way of doing things to keep people from sharing these works for free.

 

The bottom line for games is I'm tired of paying $50 for a buggy broken game with 100MB+ patches on launch day. They need to offer a great and original experience, free of game breaking bugs and take the money that is spent on DRM and spend it on enriching the game. Look at the newest games coming out from EA, Ubisoft and Activision, they are nothing but below average buggy ass video games and they are charging $50 for them. Why? Why are video games $50? Greed. I like GTA IV but after playing through it and working through the issues it's not worth the money. For $25 it would be worth it.

 

It seems there are only a handful of studios who make games where you could say before hand that it's going to be worth the money and two of them were acquired by companies who are known for releasing buggy broken games.

 

Bioware make awesome games but were acquired by EA. Blizzard also makes great value packed and polished games, they were acquired by Activision. Last but not least Valve who are very well known for pushing release dates back so they can polish their games a bit more.

 

I mean to hear how Epic games talking about limiting the resales of their products is disgusting and doesn't look like these companies are getting the point. Epic games the ones who are making an absolute killing licensing their middle-ware are bitching that they're not getting a cut of second hand games sales. If that's not greed then I don't know what is. I mean they already made their money from it once and now they want a cut when you sell it to someone else? That's the equivalent of Ford wanting you to give them a cut when you are ready to buy a new car and sell your old one. WHAT?

 

Piracy will continue to climb and continue to be the excuse until these studios start to try NEW things. I don't know if you herd that Ubisoft has released Prince of Persia without any soft of DRM. One of their employees said on the forum that he doesn't have high hopes and believes people will pirate the hell out of it without DRM, as if it's not happening with DRM anyways. That's a good step in the right direction but that's only half of it. They need to polish their games and make sure they're fun and not simply ported from the XBox with half-assed controls and gameplay mechanics, something Ubisoft is known for. If a game isn't challenging and fun no matter what you do it won't sell so maybe that's why this guy doesn't have high hopes I mean I can't remember the last great game or even fun game Ubisoft released.

 

Anyways I could fill up 100 pages on what is wrong with the mindset of these greedy companies but I'll stop here.

[creat3d22]

Mr Heckler, Undead and Pixelated... thanks for putting that in much better words than I could.

 

May he throw the first stone he who never sinned! (something like that, you know what I mean)

Edited December 18, 2008 by creat3d22

[Mr Heckler]

Well why don't you just get the game, test it and if it doesn't work just take it back. OR, if they don't let you, keep it for a couple years and wait for you next computer. Because you do know that piracy is ILLEGAL.

 

Everytime you post, you sound more and more like a tard.

 

1: In some countries you can't take a game back once you have opening and tried it... Stupid rule that should be changed. No SANE person wants to spend their hard earned money on something that doesn't work.

 

2: We used to get game demos, you could try a game before you buy... that rarely happens now... especially with big name games.. the bigger the game, the more likely no demo.

 

3: Piracy is NOT ILLEGAL... Downloading anything of the internet, copying a friends movie or cd.... it's called copyright infringement and is a CIVIL not a CRIMINAL issue. Please look it up, and try to comprehend what is a very simple thing. Are you mistaking stealing a physical product from a store with downloading a non physical item from the internet? The only time it becomes a criminal matter is when you try to profit from it, so start selling those bootleg cd's and dvd's and feel the long arm of the law... Upload or download a copyrighted work and you can be sued in CIVIL court by the copyright holder. You will not get a criminal conviction and you will not go to jail.

[dethred]

All I have to say is: If I knew this game would be this poor, I would have pirated it. Live and learn, next time for sure though.

[UndeadDevil]

 

3: Piracy is NOT ILLEGAL... Downloading anything of the internet, copying a friends movie or cd.... it's called copyright infringement and is a CIVIL not a CRIMINAL issue.

Its only a Civil issue if you do not redistribute the files.

 

Torrents and P2P = Criminal

FTPs *Scene*/HTTP File Sharing Sites/"The Oldest Public Protocol" = Civil

 

Edit: Its also kinda ironic how its so easy to get logged and prosecuted on Torrents and P2P

[ArecBalrin]

I pirated games on the Amiga when I was 8 because I didn't know it was illegal, that it could potentially hurt developers and that many adults knew this but did it anyway for self-enrichment.

 

So I have a strong moral sense against piracy. How this has cost me dearly. Because I refused to even touch a pirated game, I have a box somewhere full of the worst games ever that reviewers failed to tell me the truth about. Severence: Blade of Darkness, remember that? Game of Distinction in PC Gamer. PC Zone Award of Excellence. What a stinking pile of crap. It was bugged to hell almost as bad as GTA IV is now. Did Codemasters ever fix it? Did they buggery. Evolva; Game of Distinction, etc. Those reviews stopped me buying those mags for nearly five years. They each cost £30, along with the dozen and a half other highly-promoted titles no one can remember because they were so awful. Every single one of those games was misrepresented by their respective developer. How times change. Now they've betrayed me again over Bully and GTA IV. I knew there was a reason why I never took out a sub since I started buying them again; I can stop reading them right now and it's quicker.

 

I'm a moral idiot and rather than get me on their side, the industry is taking advantage and putting the boot in. I'll just turn over so they can stamp on the other side of my neck. What is the moral difference between their theft and the pirates theft apart from the morally-neutral technicality of the Law? The only punishment I can visit on them is to not buy their games, even the good ones that I would really, really want to play. But this won't get me my money spent on their past garbage back and a mug is born every minute to keep buying it all off them, good or bad. I could whine on the internet. I am whining on the internet, but it IS annoying to other people who would rather hear about something else. I understand that, but what else am I supposed to do? Would the industry just improve itself without any pressure beyond the reviewers it seems to so easily be able to coerce?

 

There's no right way or wrong way that I can see, so unless someone shows there is I'll just do what I think I should. QQ

 

[livilaNic]

Well why don't you just get the game, test it and if it doesn't work just take it back. OR, if they don't let you, keep it for a couple years and wait for you next computer. Because you do know that piracy is ILLEGAL.

 

Everytime you post, you sound more and more like a tard.

 

1: In some countries you can't take a game back once you have opening and tried it... Stupid rule that should be changed. No SANE person wants to spend their hard earned money on something that doesn't work.

 

2: We used to get game demos, you could try a game before you buy... that rarely happens now... especially with big name games.. the bigger the game, the more likely no demo.

 

3: Piracy is NOT ILLEGAL... Downloading anything of the internet, copying a friends movie or cd.... it's called copyright infringement and is a CIVIL not a CRIMINAL issue. Please look it up, and try to comprehend what is a very simple thing. Are you mistaking stealing a physical product from a store with downloading a non physical item from the internet? The only time it becomes a criminal matter is when you try to profit from it, so start selling those bootleg cd's and dvd's and feel the long arm of the law... Upload or download a copyrighted work and you can be sued in CIVIL court by the copyright holder. You will not get a criminal conviction and you will not go to jail.

Illegal means against the law or a set of rules set by who ever in any form. So all the agreements that the game has set forth. That everyone agrees to, is a legal matter. Be it civil or criminal. It's still "illegal". I haven't read a eula or term of agreement for quite some time, but I would think it would state - that to copy and distribute this piece of software without the consent of the publisher or who ever. Would constitute unlawful behavior in which you can be prosecuted. I don't think it would say go ahead and copy that away trade it with who ever just as, long as you don't make a profit from it.

 

Illegal is illegal is illegal.