Irrati0nal Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Yes and everyone that has problems with GTA IV for PC apparently doesn't know sh*t about computers. Nope makes perfect sense that only people without computer knowledge are having problems with the game. Yeah keep trying you queer fanboys. EXACTLY, I have been Coding for years and building computers before even that, game still runs like crap and jaggies make my eyes bleed, these clowns come into the TROUBLESHOOTING FORUM and boast about their game working? And complain about others who have trouble in a forum specifically for it? Shows what they know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DML Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 ...last time I looked GTA SA sold close to 16 million on the PS2 ALONE. On the topic of sales figure: it would be interesting to know how many copies sold for the PlayStation and PC of the first Grand Theft Auto game back in 1997-98, and then of GTA 2 as well. It would be interesting as that was when Rockstar wasn't doing their dirty little deeds with Sony and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hraptor Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Well well, since you put it that way...GTA Had its problems in the first week yeah sure. I can tell yah, i got a high-end gaming pc with an OCed E8500 and OCed GTX260 4gbRam vista etc. I had texture problems, i had controller problems and it took me a whole afternoon of work just to fix the graphic issue. Then the patch came out. Then i learned HOW to use the video settings to get great performance AND render.. Yeah surely the game is still so very heavy but Now i run smoothly with medium details on circa 40-50 Fps average. That, i can tell, in this game IS Smooth. Yet not perfect. sure. But givin 1.5 stars out of 5? I'd say get a PROPER PC, KEEP IT PROPERLY and KNOW HOW TO USE IT AND SET IT Then come back and play gta PC, and notice the huge difference with the console version, and APPRECIATE this f*ckin extraordinary game. You haters just frustrated got a low-budget pc or simply console fanboys (Yo, i got this game on xbox360 since day1 so i know my sh*t) dunno how to use a f*ckin pc dunno sh*t, and wanna come here and talk sh*t bout rockstar? No f*ckin way, not after the patch, not after 2 weeks. Go play fable Maybe you can join us on fable. As you listen so good at it. If you listen to what you say? You have an oced CPU, a graphic card cost twice as much as minimum requirments and still got 2 days to make game run smooth. If you read my system specs then you could tell. When requirments come out it come for a reason! So the PC users will know if their PC at good to run the game. And with minimum requirments they can't. That's why the 1.5 star. Cause even recomended requierments still not enough for some people to run the game. And about haters, I was one of them I pre-order the game from November 8th on Amazon, cause I loved GTA III, VICECITY SAN ANDREAS. Great games played well on PCs with far more less problemsd. Actually San Andreas run without change or tweak anything. So go play fable with the others in the forum who believe that the game is great and with no problems. Man try to play Crysis, Oblivion, Fallout3, Warhead, or even world at war (which sucks) on a pc with Minimum requirements. It won't run smoother than you run GTA4 on minimum requirements. If you do not understand how graphic engines work, and you have probably played 3 games in your whole life, dont get mad at Gta4 for not running as smooth as you thought on your garbage hardware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hraptor Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Have you even compared the Xbox version with the Pc version? Try to calculate the detail that xbox version is workin at, and all the unfocused distance effect it has. Then think on what hardware it runs. Then think of how the PC Gta4 runs and on which PCs it does. It fits. If you just CANT accept your machine REALLY needs more power then just stop whining and return the game. Maybe you would be happy if Rockstar made the game actually look like the xbox version but with a lot of useless fake customizable mini graphic options, run at 80FPS on any machine and make you feel a lot better... Still with patching and proper drivers the game could run a LOT smoother. But stop saying it's running at 30% of its capabilities and other sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hraptor Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Pretty fun to see what some people waste their time on, when they get really sad for reading the game actually works on other people's machines: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DXWarlock Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 its not clear, but I get the sense he doesn't like you, and possibly wishes you die in some sort of horrible accident. but it could be just me reading too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modCJpls Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 If you cut out all that lame crap with all the errors, and actually update your drivers (Be a computer lover please.) Maybe you'll find it takes the amount of steps it would normally take to run a normal game. The registration of Live is needed or you can't play the game, and blame that part on Microsoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quemical Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hey Hraptor, i got the same PM, so atleast i know that it's just a douche spamming everyone with it. But he sent it under a different name to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DXWarlock Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 someones watched American History X too many times.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalker Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I don't think Rocco's review is typical, some people prepare for games, others don't, truth is that he didn’t. Most people me included, anxiously awaited this game and kept everything up to date, defragged before install, after install and it did not matter that we had to install so much software to support it, because we thought we where getting the finished product. All in all Grand Theft Auto IV has probably received the correct review average on amazon. I am sure that if Rockstar had waited and finished the game properly it wouldn’t matter when that was it’s sales would have blown everything out of the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayushisrocking Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It's just that people either don't update their PCs,or they just have SP2 installed,OR they don't meet the requirements.. But now; what did R* say? This game runs 'perfectly' even on 2 year old PCs.. WTF! I would assume the best-coded game ever (PC) was Max Payne 2,i Played it on my(YOU WON'T BELIEVE:) Intel Pentium 3 450MHz 192 MB RAM nVidia TNT with 8MB memory 8GB Hard Disk Drive who would believe the statement above? the game(Max Payne 2-Demo) ran perfectly on my old Rig which i had bought in 2000;started of with Windows 98;64MB RAM.... it ran MP2 Demo with around 20FPS...wow that's so high;you might think!!.. Look at San Andreas:simple gameplay;no Microsoft's dumb contracts with R* just to advertise or something;They just made SA a great game. How many crashes would you have in GTA San Andreas on a PC with atleast Pentium 4,a decent GPU& RAM...?i would request you guys to answer .. and GTA IV?many people are having crashes every hour or so... whom to be blamed?It's R*;they didn't code the game properly;they didn't f*cking even test it... And when they were asked; they said that the high settings aren't for the current hardware...(Next-gen ) and; isn't a 4870X2 2GB supposed to be among "next-gen"?; they were probably sleeping and then they just "said" it... phew; I think R* has become too lazy to make 'working' games..atleast for the PC format . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecroViolator Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 EAs CEO says it perfectly : Electronic Arts CEO, John Riccitiello "Quality Is Not The Entire Game Selling Equation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heckler Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 So just because every other company does it means that Rockstar can do it too. Do you really support that statement? Rockstar should be looking at it's previous PC releases rather than at recent releases from mediocre console-focused gaming companies. Why don't you for once consider that the game is unplayable to many people . . . people that have been devoted to this franchise for 8 years or more. People that thought, PC gaming is in a bad state right now, but I'm sure Rockstar will pull out a winner as always. What do you tell them after they get back stabbed with a crappy port . . . You tell them that everyone's doing it. You tell them it's peer pressure. Rockstar have already done it several times... so it's nothing new when they port a game across... It's just that they handed it off to a subsidiary that either couldn't handle the job properly or couldn't complete the job properly due to time constraints set by the bean counters and marketing types... who wanted this game in the shops by xmas regardless of it's completion. Take a look at GTA-SA - A console port and which worked far better than GTA IV You cannot change market forces... the money is in consoles and in comparison PC gamers are a minority. So they make the games for the consoles and then port them to PC... we often get the superior game as a lot of developers include extra content that couldn't be done on a console, better graphics and so forth... But to think that they will program th game just for PC is to make an uninformed statement. I'm not including those games that are designed specifically for the PC market... we are talking about console ported games here. Companies go where the money is, they want profits and don't care about much else... at least the people in charge, the accountants and shareholders don't. But if they do their jobs properly, perhaps if they are allowed to do their jobs properly... then the end result would be satisfactory to all. In this case they failed and we don't know what that really happened. Sure we have memory leaks and bad optimisation.... and certainly it seems a lack of proper testing... But we don't know WHY those things happened and we probably never will unless Rockstar come forward and admit the mistakes... which would no doubt affect their shares and bottom line... harming profits and investments... and that's never gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalker Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 So just because every other company does it means that Rockstar can do it too. Do you really support that statement? Rockstar should be looking at it's previous PC releases rather than at recent releases from mediocre console-focused gaming companies. Why don't you for once consider that the game is unplayable to many people . . . people that have been devoted to this franchise for 8 years or more. People that thought, PC gaming is in a bad state right now, but I'm sure Rockstar will pull out a winner as always. What do you tell them after they get back stabbed with a crappy port . . . You tell them that everyone's doing it. You tell them it's peer pressure. Rockstar have already done it several times... so it's nothing new when they port a game across... It's just that they handed it off to a subsidiary that either couldn't handle the job properly or couldn't complete the job properly due to time constraints set by the bean counters and marketing types... who wanted this game in the shops by xmas regardless of it's completion. Take a look at GTA-SA - A console port and which worked far better than GTA IV You cannot change market forces... the money is in consoles and in comparison PC gamers are a minority. So they make the games for the consoles and then port them to PC... we often get the superior game as a lot of developers include extra content that couldn't be done on a console, better graphics and so forth... But to think that they will program th game just for PC is to make an uninformed statement. I'm not including those games that are designed specifically for the PC market... we are talking about console ported games here. Companies go where the money is, they want profits and don't care about much else... at least the people in charge, the accountants and shareholders don't. But if they do their jobs properly, perhaps if they are allowed to do their jobs properly... then the end result would be satisfactory to all. In this case they failed and we don't know what that really happened. Sure we have memory leaks and bad optimisation.... and certainly it seems a lack of proper testing... But we don't know WHY those things happened and we probably never will unless Rockstar come forward and admit the mistakes... which would no doubt affect their shares and bottom line... harming profits and investments... and that's never gonna happen. I love your sig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragTom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) I cannot hear this complaining sh*t from people with outdated PCs and even more outdated OSs anymore. WHY don't you simply install the latest patches for your outdated XP OS -> SP 3. It's a service pack. You really wonder why you cannot play??? OMG, just one luck you don't have Windows 3.11 on you 80286. Believe me you won't be able to play either. And I am so less interested what those freaky Amazon buyers say. GameSpot, 9 out of 10 IGN, 9.2 out of 10 GameZone, 9 out of 10 VideoGamer, 10 out of 10 GameSpy, 5 out of 5 Eurogamer, 9 out of 10 PC Gamer UK, 92 out of 100 Ferrago, 93 out of 100 GOT THE IDEA, BOY? UPDATE YOUR SH*TTY PC OR BUY A NEW ONE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN RECENT AND MAXED OUT GAMING. Oh, and yes! My PCs is 2 years old and running GTA IV fabulous -> Core2Duo E6600 @ 2,9 GHZ, Nvidia 8800 GTS oc and 3 GB Ram @ 800 MHZ. Nothing to spectacular, uh? 40 fps average. Edited December 17, 2008 by DragTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hraptor Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 GOT THE IDEA, BOY? UPDATE YOUR sh*tTY PCS OR BUY A NEW ONE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN MAXED OUT GAMING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwalker Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I cannot hear this complaining sh*t from people with outdated PCs and even more outdated OSs anymore. WHY don't you simply install the latest patches for your outdated XP OS -> SP 3. It's a service pack. You wonder why you cannot play? Just one luck you don't have Windows 3.11 on you 80286. Believe me you wouldn't be able to play either. And I am so less interested what underprevileged freaky Amazon buyers say. GameSpot, 9 out of 10 IGNm 9.2 out of 10 GameZone, 9 out of 10 VideoGamer, 10 out of 10 GameSpy, 5 out of 5 Eurogamer, 9 out of 10 PC Gamer UK, 92 out of 100 Ferrago, 93 out of 100 GOT THE IDEA, BOY? UPDATE YOUR sh*tTY PCS OR BUY A NEW ONE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN MAXED OUT GAMING. Yeah, I'm sick of "you dont need to install sp3 just do a regedit" WTF, have you got illegal copies of XP? is that why you need to hack the os to make games think you have SP3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avean Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 But then again you can record videos and upload them live for free streaming for everyone to watch. Thats why you have to register an seperate account as well. If you cant bother to spend 10 seconds registering an account why should Rockstar bother to give you features like that which costs tons of money to maintance ? Think about that before bashing Rockstar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hraptor Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Hey Hraptor, i got the same PM, so atleast i know that it's just a douche spamming everyone with it. But he sent it under a different name to me Yeah i could guess that was a copypaste. Maybe if i look on google i find it somewher else too I feel sorry for some teenagers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragTom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Yeah, I'm sick of "you dont need to install sp3 just do a regedit" WTF, have you got illegal copies of XP? is that why you need to hack the os to make games think you have SP3? That is exactly what came to my mind. Tell me another reason for NOT UPDATING your OS with recent patches and service packs? Just tell me!! Btw, I am running GTA IV with Vista Ultimate SP1, all patches, NetFrame 3.5 SP1, GeForce 180.84 Beta 3 drivers, DirectX Nov. 08, for those Vista-bashers. Runs like a charme. Go and get a legal copy of your OS and stop whining around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragTom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 isn't a 4870X2 2GB supposed to be among "next-gen"?; Of course it is not. You can buy them since some months. And head over to tomwshardware.com and ask youself: WHY I saw those people for years... OS/2 instead of Windows... AMD instead of intel... ATI instead of NVidia... XP instead of Vista... Don't get the copy. Get the original. And stop whining around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NecroViolator Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 (edited) I cannot hear this complaining sh*t from people with outdated PCs and even more outdated OSs anymore. WHY don't you simply install the latest patches for your outdated XP OS -> SP 3. It's a service pack. You really wonder why you cannot play??? OMG, just one luck you don't have Windows 3.11 on you 80286. Believe me you won't be able to play either. And I am so less interested what those freaky Amazon buyers say. GameSpot, 9 out of 10 IGN, 9.2 out of 10 GameZone, 9 out of 10 VideoGamer, 10 out of 10 GameSpy, 5 out of 5 Eurogamer, 9 out of 10 PC Gamer UK, 92 out of 100 Ferrago, 93 out of 100 GOT THE IDEA, BOY? UPDATE YOUR SH*TTY PC OR BUY A NEW ONE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN RECENT AND MAXED OUT GAMING. Oh, and yes! My PCs is 2 years old and running GTA IV fabulous -> Core2Duo E6600 @ 2,9 GHZ, Nvidia 8800 GTS oc and 3 GB Ram @ 800 MHZ. Nothing to spectacular, uh? 40 fps average. WTF are you talking about ??? Outdated computer ??? MY brother has a Q6600/4Gig/8800GTX and has sh!ty FPS... I have a : Statistics Average FPS: 26.46 Duration: 42.05 sec CPU Usage: 11% System memory usage: 26% Video memory usage: 77% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 800 x 600 (56 Hz) Texture Quality: High Render Quality: High View Distance: 32 Detail Distance: 55 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: Speakers (2- SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio) Intel® Xeon® CPU X7460 @ 2.66GHz Intel® Xeon® CPU X7460 @ 2.66GHz YOU TELL ME my computer is "outdated" ??? BS, dude... (no offense please)... ... Edited December 17, 2008 by NecroViolator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragTom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 WTF are you talking about ??? Who is talking to you? Not me, but... On the other hand... If you really get THIS framerate with THIS configuration you might have f*cked up something or you have no sense of settings up a PC for gaming, lol. I get an average of 40 fps with my perfectly set up 2 year old computer. Let's switch our systems :-) PS: I will never understand why someone needs 2 X-FI cards. SLI? One for right one for left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heckler Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 GameSpot, 9 out of 10 IGN, 9.2 out of 10 GameZone, 9 out of 10 VideoGamer, 10 out of 10 GameSpy, 5 out of 5 Eurogamer, 9 out of 10 PC Gamer UK, 92 out of 100 Ferrago, 93 out of 100 Are you a complete idiot? Not one of those scores is based on real customer data, I've seen places edit and remove negative reviews of games. Any company that reviews games for a living is subject to pressure to give games good reviews because A: they're paid to in some way (even if it's just the threat of losing advertising revenue, which is a common practice). B: arse licking fanboys who wouldn't know a proper problem if they had it pointed out. C: They are supplied with a slightly different version to the retail one and some even supply the computer for them to test it with. So reviewers get the best version of hte game that has been tweaked to run perfectly.. coupled with reviews who are paid to kiss arse... and you think those reviews are reliable and the ones to go by? I guess some people just lack any common sense or basic intelligence at all... and instead rely on skewed and paid for reviews in magazines or on websites... along with all those high scores and nice high res screenshots. Ask yourself this question... Why are these reviews packed full of HIGH res screenshots of the game on the highest settings, when Rockstar claim that this is for FUTURE hardware that doesn't yet exist? Some one is lying, but it seems you don't care about facts and truth as long as some one tells you what to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allonzo Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Add this to your main post as well Metacritic: Users: 4.1 Out of 10 Based on 393 comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragTom Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Some one is lying, but it seems you don't care about facts and truth as long as some one tells you what to think. Ok. Here is my personal vote: 10 out of 10 I have no f*cking problem running this game 1280 x 1024 with high settings on my 2 year old PC at 40 fps average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allonzo Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Some one is lying, but it seems you don't care about facts and truth as long as some one tells you what to think. Ok. Here is my personal vote: 10 out of 10 I have no f*cking problem running this game 1280 x 1024 with high settings on my 2 year old PC at 40 fps average. And i'm santa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hraptor Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I cannot hear this complaining sh*t from people with outdated PCs and even more outdated OSs anymore. WHY don't you simply install the latest patches for your outdated XP OS -> SP 3. It's a service pack. You really wonder why you cannot play??? OMG, just one luck you don't have Windows 3.11 on you 80286. Believe me you won't be able to play either. And I am so less interested what those freaky Amazon buyers say. GameSpot, 9 out of 10 IGN, 9.2 out of 10 GameZone, 9 out of 10 VideoGamer, 10 out of 10 GameSpy, 5 out of 5 Eurogamer, 9 out of 10 PC Gamer UK, 92 out of 100 Ferrago, 93 out of 100 GOT THE IDEA, BOY? UPDATE YOUR SH*TTY PC OR BUY A NEW ONE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN RECENT AND MAXED OUT GAMING. Oh, and yes! My PCs is 2 years old and running GTA IV fabulous -> Core2Duo E6600 @ 2,9 GHZ, Nvidia 8800 GTS oc and 3 GB Ram @ 800 MHZ. Nothing to spectacular, uh? 40 fps average. WTF are you talking about ??? Outdated computer ??? MY brother has a Q6600/4Gig/8800GTX and has sh!ty FPS... I have a : Statistics Average FPS: 26.46 Duration: 42.05 sec CPU Usage: 11% System memory usage: 26% Video memory usage: 77% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 800 x 600 (56 Hz) Texture Quality: High Render Quality: High View Distance: 32 Detail Distance: 55 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: Speakers (2- SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio) Intel® Xeon® CPU X7460 @ 2.66GHz Intel® Xeon® CPU X7460 @ 2.66GHz YOU TELL ME my computer is "outdated" ??? BS, dude... (no offense please)... ... Q6600 and 8800GTX getting that framerate is perfectly understandable. Once again, you just haven't played other games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allonzo Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I cannot hear this complaining sh*t from people with outdated PCs and even more outdated OSs anymore. WHY don't you simply install the latest patches for your outdated XP OS -> SP 3. It's a service pack. You really wonder why you cannot play??? OMG, just one luck you don't have Windows 3.11 on you 80286. Believe me you won't be able to play either. And I am so less interested what those freaky Amazon buyers say. GameSpot, 9 out of 10 IGN, 9.2 out of 10 GameZone, 9 out of 10 VideoGamer, 10 out of 10 GameSpy, 5 out of 5 Eurogamer, 9 out of 10 PC Gamer UK, 92 out of 100 Ferrago, 93 out of 100 GOT THE IDEA, BOY? UPDATE YOUR SH*TTY PC OR BUY A NEW ONE IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN RECENT AND MAXED OUT GAMING. Oh, and yes! My PCs is 2 years old and running GTA IV fabulous -> Core2Duo E6600 @ 2,9 GHZ, Nvidia 8800 GTS oc and 3 GB Ram @ 800 MHZ. Nothing to spectacular, uh? 40 fps average. WTF are you talking about ??? Outdated computer ??? MY brother has a Q6600/4Gig/8800GTX and has sh!ty FPS... I have a : Statistics Average FPS: 26.46 Duration: 42.05 sec CPU Usage: 11% System memory usage: 26% Video memory usage: 77% Graphics Settings Video Mode: 800 x 600 (56 Hz) Texture Quality: High Render Quality: High View Distance: 32 Detail Distance: 55 Hardware Microsoft® Windows Vista" Ultimate Service Pack 1 Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS Video Driver version: 180.84 Audio Adapter: Speakers (2- SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio) Intel® Xeon® CPU X7460 @ 2.66GHz Intel® Xeon® CPU X7460 @ 2.66GHz YOU TELL ME my computer is "outdated" ??? BS, dude... (no offense please)... ... Q6600 and 8800GTX getting that framerate is perfectly understandable. Once again, you just haven't played other games. If you're serious then you need to get ur brains checked out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanilla Shake Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Here's an idea. Buy an Xbox 360 or a PlayStation 3, and play it on one of them! No hassle required! TC718 / <629 / CF5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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