GTA IV: A 1.5 STAR out of 5

[WaveBossa]

 

Funny to see how complainers seem to think about how it's all Rockstar's fault.

Rockstar releases an unfinished (from the technical aspect) game...

 

So, whose fault is it again?

 

Ahh yes, it's my fault! This is what i get for not being able to see into the future and realize that this game wasn't finished when i bought it... silly silly me

Edited December 16, 2008 by WaveBossa

[biggeo]

Yes and everyone that has problems with GTA IV for PC apparently doesn't know sh*t about computers. Nope makes perfect sense that only people without computer knowledge are having problems with the game. Yeah keep trying you queer fanboys.

Starting with computers about 1987, have my own store and a diploma as an electronic engineer, but you're right, I know sh*t about computer,

[WaveBossa]

See, what people don't understand is that all of these little fixes and registry changes and blah blah blah are what should be handeled in the install.

 

Look, i just want someone... anyone to come up with a comprehensive argument that can defend R* 100% on this. If you can argue that this game is no different than the PC release of DMC4 (which was exceptional and far superior to it's console brethren) or any other high profile PC game than I will concede.

 

But until that happens, stop kidding yourself! You don't owe R* anything, so why are you trying to make it seem like there is nothing wrong with this game? Would thousands be complaining if there was NOTHING wrong with this game???

[Abraxas]

See, what people don't understand is that all of these little fixes and registry changes and blah blah blah are what should be handeled in the install.

 

Look, i just want someone... anyone to come up with a comprehensive argument that can defend R* 100% on this. If you can argue that this game is no different than the PC release of DMC4 (which was exceptional and far superior to it's console brethren) or any other high profile PC game than I will concede.

 

But until that happens, stop kidding yourself! You don't owe R* anything, so why are you trying to make it seem like there is nothing wrong with this game? Would thousands be complaining if there was NOTHING wrong with this game???

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[Sub12]

It is such a shame that people are rating the technical problems and not the game itself.

[biggeo]

Funny to see how complainers seem to think about how it's all Rockstar's fault.

Well maybe was my fault who I pre-order the game. I played the game on XBOX, was very good, but on PC, just bugs, and lot of people that not even can start it. If not R* fault then which fault it is?

 

They released a game still in BETA and expect from us to write down the problems and wait for upcoming patches wich maybe resolve some of the issues.

 

Why COD 4 and crysis RUN great from the first release? And the're not just these games.

[WaveBossa]

It is such a shame that people are rating the technical problems and not the game itself.

well, its kinda hard to rate a game that doesn't work correctly.

 

And last time I checked, working correctly is part of the game itself.

 

If you rate crysis a 1 because you running on a p2 than that is one thing.

 

If you rate GTA4 a 1 because you're running on a system that exceeds the recommended requirements and have done all they asked just to receive a lackluster gameplay experience due to the horrible fps...

well that's something different entirely

 

I'm gonna be brutally honest here. If R* said that the recommended specs were:

 

-Intel i7 or phenom II level CPU @3.2GHz

-8Gb Ram

-64bit Vista Ultimate

-Geforce 260 or Radeon 4870 class Video card

-And 2 WD Raptor in 0 raid

 

Well, I wouldn't be bitching in this least. But the fact is that if they RECOMMEND system specs, your gameplay should be pleasant at with that RECOMMENDED (or better) hardware

 

 

[biggeo]

It is such a shame that people are rating the technical problems and not the game itself.

To rate the game itself we have first to play it. But for the time been we can only rate the technical problems.

 

I agree that R* where always one step beyond in graphics, I saw it in Vice city even San Andreas. That's why I pre-order GTA IV. But with a slight difference. I can play fist two even from the first release.

 

GTA IV 10 days after I install it I just can't play it.

[biggeo]

Nice try moron i have fallout 3 and farcry 2 and the "tweaking" i had to do to these games to work is a f*cking wet dream compared to GTAIV. Go promote this game to people who don't know what they are talking about and sell them a sh*t salad.

Tweaking ? did I say anything about tweaking I am talking about CRASHES that no amount of tweaking fixes. As for promoting GTA 4 I know it's a f*cking shock isn't it I mean I am only on a GTA forums board now aren't I, god forbid should I want to talk about how great GTA 4 is on a GTA forum. I notice how quickly the whiners and complainers fall into name calling too which completely devalues your argument. I am sorry you can't get GTA 4 running on your machine, perhaps you should look into attending some computer classes at your local college to teach the basics of operating a PC.

In your PC maybe, in mine played perfect after little tweaks. So as for Fallout 3 keep it for yourself. Was by far a better release than GTA IV, at least with Fallout 3, we're not BETA testers.

[[TA]HelFire]

The game works. This game is a powerful one. If you don't have a computer that can put out the right requirements, you fail.

 

Rockstar games are good. This game just came out for PC as well. Wait for patches.

[biggeo]

HelFire' date='Dec 17 2008, 00:28'] The game works. This game is a powerful one. If you don't have a computer that can put out the right requirements, you fail.

 

Rockstar games are good. This game just came out for PC as well. Wait for patches.

That reminds me M$oft. lol buy patches with little of operating system.

We buy the game or thne patches? Just hope the patches will be less than 15 Gb,

[CharmingCharlie]

 

In your PC maybe, in mine played perfect after little tweaks. So as for Fallout 3 keep it for yourself. Was by far a better release than GTA IV, at least with Fallout 3, we're not BETA testers.

Erm yes we are because as far as I am aware it is still crashing and they haven't bothered to release a patch for it. In fact your beloved fallout 3 is so perfect that is suffers from the following :-

 

 

Software bug causes game to crash only on new graphics cards

Game freezes on loading game

Did Fallout 3 break my DVD burner?

Frequent crashing

Keyboard and Mouse FREEZE

Flickering textures on characters

Need help please! Random Freezes and CTDs!

V.A.T.S. not working for me

performance issues and other stuff

Crash on startup

complete lack of GFX stability

Disk isn't recognized

Now that is just a small selection of problems from the fallout 3 forum. Now want to guess how many topics exist in the PC problem section of fallout 3 .......... over 5,000 topics all talking about problems related to the game. So I guess we were beta testers for Fallout 3 as well then.

 

 

[biggeo]

 

In your PC maybe, in mine played perfect after little tweaks. So as for Fallout 3 keep it for yourself. Was by far a better release than GTA IV, at least with Fallout 3, we're not BETA testers.

Erm yes we are because as far as I am aware it is still crashing and they haven't bothered to release a patch for it. In fact your beloved fallout 3 is so perfect that is suffers from the following :-

 

 

Software bug causes game to crash only on new graphics cards

Game freezes on loading game

Did Fallout 3 break my DVD burner?

Frequent crashing

Keyboard and Mouse FREEZE

Flickering textures on characters

Need help please! Random Freezes and CTDs!

V.A.T.S. not working for me

performance issues and other stuff

Crash on startup

complete lack of GFX stability

Disk isn't recognized

Now that is just a small selection of problems from the fallout 3 forum. Now want to guess how many topics exist in the PC problem section of fallout 3 .......... over 5,000 topics all talking about problems related to the game. So I guess we were beta testers for Fallout 3 as well then.

There are more than 20,000 topics with GTA IV problems on forums dedicated to GTA. That mean nothing to me. It's about how the problems can be fixed not a war of numbers.

 

Maybe we have to change PCs, so I can play GTA IV, and you can play Fallout 3

[Corgi]

This is so true.

 

I used to be the minority because before the patch it ran quite well for me. However after the patch it's unplayable because the camera just goes 'round and 'round Niko.

 

Before you say anything, I have a real genuine copy that I bought from the store. It cost me $50. I don't really care because I'm quite well off but still.

[Hraptor]

Well well, since you put it that way...

GTA Had its problems in the first week yeah sure. I can tell yah, i got a high-end gaming pc with an OCed E8500 and OCed GTX260 4gbRam vista etc.

I had texture problems, i had controller problems and it took me a whole afternoon of work just to fix the graphic issue. Then the patch came out. Then i learned HOW to use the video settings to get great performance AND render.. Yeah surely the game is still so very heavy but

 

Now i run smoothly with medium details on circa 40-50 Fps average. That, i can tell, in this game IS Smooth. Yet not perfect. sure.

 

But givin 1.5 stars out of 5? I'd say get a PROPER PC, KEEP IT PROPERLY and KNOW HOW TO USE IT AND SET IT

Then come back and play gta PC, and notice the huge difference with the console version, and APPRECIATE this f*ckin extraordinary game.

 

You haters just frustrated got a low-budget pc or simply console fanboys (Yo, i got this game on xbox360 since day1 so i know my sh*t) dunno how to use a f*ckin pc dunno sh*t, and wanna come here and talk sh*t bout rockstar?

 

No f*ckin way, not after the patch, not after 2 weeks.

Go play fable

[CharmingCharlie]

 

There are more than 20,000 topics with GTA IV problems on forums dedicated to GTA. That mean nothing to me. It's about how the problems can be fixed not a war of numbers.

 

Maybe we have to change PCs, so I can play GTA IV, and you can play Fallout 3 

I know it isn't about the numbers game, my point was that Fallout 3 has just as many problems on people's machines as GTA 4 does. That isn't the only similarity either both GTA 4 and Fallout 3 are 360 console ports. So basically Bethesda Softworks is just as guilty as Rockstar Toronto for releasing a bugged, untested and unplayable game.

 

I find it funny how on these forums people are quick to accuse Rockstar of heinous crimes when all they did is copy EXACTLY what other developers like Bethesda and Ubisoft do. Nearly every company these days concentrates resources on the console version then shoves out a half completed barely functioning PC version.

 

Now I will be the first to admit there are problems with GTA 4 it is an unoptimised port but I don't believe the problems are any more excessive than the problems Fallout 3 suffered, or the problems Far Cry 2 suffered. In fact the only good port I can remember is Mass Effect but even that was ruined with the ridiculously draconian DRM.

 

As for swapping PC's so you can play GTA 4 and I can play Fallout 3........ erm no thanks I really enjoy GTA 4 but I found fallout 3 to be extremely wanting and not a patch on the others in the franchise.l

[biggeo]

Well well, since you put it that way...

GTA Had its problems in the first week yeah sure. I can tell yah, i got a high-end gaming pc with an OCed E8500 and OCed GTX260 4gbRam vista etc.

I had texture problems, i had controller problems and it took me a whole afternoon of work just to fix the graphic issue. Then the patch came out. Then i learned HOW to use the video settings to get great performance AND render.. Yeah surely the game is still so very heavy but

 

Now i run smoothly with medium details on circa 40-50 Fps average. That, i can tell, in this game IS Smooth. Yet not perfect. sure.

 

But givin 1.5 stars out of 5? I'd say get a PROPER PC, KEEP IT PROPERLY and KNOW HOW TO USE IT AND SET IT

Then come back and play gta PC, and notice the huge difference with the console version, and APPRECIATE this f*ckin extraordinary game.

 

You haters just frustrated got a low-budget pc or simply console fanboys (Yo, i got this game on xbox360 since day1 so i know my sh*t) dunno how to use a f*ckin pc dunno sh*t, and wanna come here and talk sh*t bout rockstar?

 

No f*ckin way, not after the patch, not after 2 weeks.

Go play fable

Maybe you can join us on fable. As you listen so good at it. If you listen to what you say? You have an oced CPU, a graphic card cost twice as much as minimum requirments and still got 2 days to make game run smooth.

 

If you read my system specs then you could tell.

 

When requirments come out it come for a reason! So the PC users will know if their PC at good to run the game. And with minimum requirments they can't.

 

That's why the 1.5 star. Cause even recomended requierments still not enough for some people to run the game.

 

And about haters, I was one of them I pre-order the game from November 8th on Amazon, cause I loved GTA III, VICECITY SAN ANDREAS. Great games played well on PCs with far more less problemsd. Actually San Andreas run without change or tweak anything.

 

So go play fable with the others in the forum who believe that the game is great and with no problems.

[CharmingCharlie]

 

When requirments come out it come for a reason! So the PC users will know if their PC at good to run the game. And with minimum requirments they can't.

Oh for god sake the "requirements" crap has been bullsh*t for more years than I can ever remember. I have yet to come across any game that runs as well as the requirements state. You just need to look at Crysis to see how even PC companies blatantly LIE about the requirements. In fact you just need to look at any game and see that they just lie because it is in their interest to fool as many people as possible into buying the game.

 

Sure it isn't right but it has been going on since the dawn of PC gaming. In short I thought PC gamers all knew that the specs are only useful if you print them out and wipe your arse with them.

[SkapeGote]

For me it was like this:

 

1. Buy game

2. Buy Marijuana

3. Install / Fire the bong

4. forgot this step see step 3

5. forgot this step see step 3

6. forgot this step see step 3

7. forgot this step see step 3

8. profit

 

I also signed up for live and social club the day before.

 

Skape

 

P.s. They need to get a system of rating system requirements that is universal like recommended means at least 60 fps with everything cranked and min means atleast 30 fps on lowest settings. Also MAX settings should be listed as requiring future hardware no available atthis time.

Edited December 17, 2008 by SkapeGote

[Jackmackg]

i bought my game and installed it and it works just fine.

[ArecBalrin]

Urgh! Bethesda provide an official forum that appears at the top of any search for Fallout 3.

 

Rockstar, in a display of gargantuan cynicism do not provide an official forum. It took me long enough just to find THIS forum. People that have problems don't know where to go. Developers know that official forums allow their base to disseminate complaints more widely. Most use this as a means to improve, Rockstar declined it in favour of protecting the share price to the detriment of product quality.

[CharmingCharlie]

Well there you do have a valid argument ArecBalrin it is a bit shameful in this day and age that Rockstar doesn't have an Official forum. Perhaps GTAforums has something to do with that, not wanting to sound like a brown noser but when you are the largest GTA forum on the net it is hard to be beaten, so why try ?

 

Besides in my experience official forums tend to ignore users and censor/remove anything that throws the company in a bad light. At least with GTAforums you know it is completely independent from any influence by Rockstar games. Yes we may delete and close ranting topics but that is down to attempting to keep the board manageable and concentrate the discussion.

[Jackmackg]

for the people who make machinima's its worth the $50.

[Drunk Russian 9]

 

. . . my point was that Fallout 3 has just as many problems on people's machines as GTA 4 does.  That isn't the only similarity either both GTA 4 and Fallout 3 are 360 console ports.  So basically Bethesda Softworks is just as guilty as Rockstar Toronto for releasing a bugged, untested and unplayable game.

 

I find it funny how on these forums people are quick to accuse Rockstar of heinous crimes when all they did is copy EXACTLY what other developers like Bethesda and Ubisoft do.  Nearly every company these days concentrates resources on the console version then shoves out a half completed barely functioning PC version.

 

Now I will be the first to admit there are problems with GTA 4 it is an unoptimised port but I don't believe the problems are any more excessive than the problems Fallout 3 suffered, or the problems Far Cry 2 suffered.  In fact the only good port I can remember is Mass Effect but even that was ruined with the ridiculously draconian DRM.

So just because every other company does it means that Rockstar can do it too.

 

Do you really support that statement?

 

Rockstar should be looking at it's previous PC releases rather than at recent releases from mediocre console-focused gaming companies. Why don't you for once consider that the game is unplayable to many people . . . people that have been devoted to this franchise for 8 years or more. People that thought, PC gaming is in a bad state right now, but I'm sure Rockstar will pull out a winner as always. What do you tell them after they get back stabbed with a crappy port . . .

 

You tell them that everyone's doing it. You tell them it's peer pressure.

 

[CharmingCharlie]

 

So just because every other company does it means that Rockstar can do it too.

 

Do you really support this statement?

Did I say anywhere that it is acceptable that they are doing this ? I don't believe I did, I merely pointed out that Rockstar is doing what every other damn company is doing. Is it right well of course it isn't however it isn't JUST Rockstar doing this which seems to be the suggestion from some of the people on this thread. Now you say why should Rockstar do what every company is doing ? How about you ask yourself why shouldn't they ?

 

 

Rockstar should be looking at it's previous PC releases rather than at recent releases from mediocre console-focused gaming companies. Why don't you for once consider that the game is unplayable to many people . . . people that have been devoted to this franchise for 8 years or more. People that thought, PC gaming is in a bad state right now, but I'm sure Rockstar will pull out a winner as always. What do you tell them after they get back stabbed with a crappy port . . .

 

You tell them that everyone's doing it. You tell them it's peer pressure.

 

 

I am sure Rockstar did look at it's previous releases of the PC version and I am pretty damn sure they saw that millions just nicked the game. You know just like we saw with this release before anyone even knew about any potential problems we had hundreds of thousands downloading a bloody DVD image that wouldn't even work with out a crack. So yeah I am sure Rockstar did look at previous releases and came to the conclusion they could only spend "X amount of dollars" on the port to make the PC version financially viable. Again I am not saying this is right what they did I am only offering an explanation.

 

Now do you want to know something else, this is going to CONTINUE until one group decides to break this cycle that the PC is stuck in. We won't buy the games because they are crappy buggy ports and software companies are not going to invest millions in a good port because we won't buy the games. See how it works now, I don't mean to downplay anyone that has issues with the game and I am sure there are people out there with very real problems that are a result of the quality of this port just like nearly EVERY DAMN port these days.

 

Equally I think a lot of the problems come from a hell of a lot of ignorance about PC tech on this forum. I have seen posts from people going "why can't I run this on high settings on my 8500gt ?" Oh I don't know maybe because the 8500gt is about 3 times crapper than the gpu in the consoles perhaps ? you know just an idea. I have even been told by people that I should "get rid of my 8800gts and use my 8600gt to run the game" (I am not making this up). So yes some of the problems people are experiencing are down to the cheap nature of the port and some others are down to crappy hardware, lack of knowledge and unrealistic expectations.

 

[DML]

 

...unrealistic expectations.

I think a lot of us are guilty there. You were probably a bit more realistic than I was CC - after you played it on console, and going by what you said about the PC port of Bully.

 

I, and many others, foolishly expected the game to look and perform like a real PC game.

[TruXter]

I installed it

game worked

I played

had fun.

 

Yes I am a gta fan, on a gta fansite

 

If you came here in search of a gta hate site

There might be a forum out there for you.

here let me google that for you.

Edited December 17, 2008 by TruXter

[Drunk Russian 9]

 

Now you say why should Rockstar do what every company is doing ?  How about you ask yourself why shouldn't they ?

 

Now do you want to know something else, this is going to CONTINUE until one group decides to break this cycle that the PC is stuck in.  We won't buy the games because they are crappy buggy ports and software companies are not going to invest millions in a good port because we won't buy the games.  See how it works now, I don't mean to downplay anyone that has issues with the game and I am sure there are people out there with very real problems that are a result of the quality of this port just like nearly EVERY DAMN port these days.

Rockstar was an INNOVATOR. They didn't follow in other companies footsteps and they achieved success through it. Now you tell me why Rockstar should stop innovating and rather doing as other companies do . . . releasing games that don't work.

 

Why they shouldn't? Oh lets see . . . how many copies did San Andreas sell? 21 mil, right? Just for the PC, outselling the consoles combined. Too bad that number will never be anywhere close to the GTAIV PC sales due to the PC fanbase being obliterated because they couldn't simply port a game correctly.

 

Did I say anywhere that it is acceptable that they are doing this ?

Yea I'm pretty sure you did.

 

I find it funny how on these forums people are quick to accuse Rockstar of heinous crimes when all they did is copy EXACTLY what other developers like Bethesda and Ubisoft do

Indirectly, ofcourse. Here you told us that accusing R* of "heinous crimes" is funny to you. So I guess you're implying that we shouldn't complain. Meaning that it is somewhere along the lines of being acceptable in today's world.

 

EDIT: Lotsa mistakes due to me being tired. I'll finish this discussion tommorow.

Edited December 17, 2008 by Drunk Russian 9

[CharmingCharlie]

 

Why they shouldn't? Oh lets see . . . how many copies did San Andreas sell? 21 mil, right? Just for the PC, outselling the consoles combined. Too bad that number will never be anywhere close to the GTAIV PC sales due to the PC fanbase being obliterated because they couldn't simply port a game correctly.

ROFL erm can I please have a source for that ? Please show me where the hell you got a sales figure of 21 million from for the PC version. I can tell you now I am pretty damn sure GTA SA never even approached a tenth of that figure. I would probably agree it was stolen 20 million times. So you just made such a ridiculous claim now back it up with PROOF, the only sales figures I have seen were for the US and I think it went something like :-

 

GTA 3 - 500,000

GTA VC - 350,000

GTA SA - 250,000

 

Those numbers are off the top of my head and I can't find the article they were posted in. Now even if we assume that the European market sold 10 times the number of the US that only brings us up to 2,750,000. Let's compare that to the consoles shall we, last time I looked GTA SA sold close to 16 million on the PS2 ALONE. I really think you need to check your facts.

 

 

Did I say anywhere that it is acceptable that they are doing this ?

Yea I'm pretty sure you did.

then you are pretty wrong.

 

I find it funny how on these forums people are quick to accuse Rockstar of heinous crimes when all they did is copy EXACTLY what other developers like Bethesda and Ubisoft do

Indirectly, ofcourse. Here you told us that accusing R* of "heinous crimes" is funny to you. So I guess you're implying that we shouldn't complain. Meaning that it is somewhere along the lines of being acceptable in today's world.

I think you misunderstood me I find it funny that people are acting as if this is a "one off" as if this NEVER happens, it has been happening for bloody years. Even when the PC was at it's prime we would get shoddy games that damaged your PC want an example well how about Frontier : First Encounters, if memory served that had a great bug in it that trashed your hard disc. Yet all of a sudden with all the outrage anyone would think this kind of thing "never" happens at all, it's as if GTA 4 is an anomaly when really it is par for the course these days.

 

[Ins1d3r]

2 bad for u, i have the first variant.