Why GTAIV doesn't work

[Vicetopia]

 

i would put any amount of money on the fact that at least half of that 8000 COULD run the game but are doing something completely f*cking wrong. n00bs are everywhere.

 

so really, these numbers mean nothing.

Yeah but what other games have this much outcry from the userbase?

If it really is the end-user's fault, then why doesn't every game have this kind of response?

 

I've posted these links several times now.

I'll post them again for you.

 

http://i33.tinypic.com/14l53eb.png

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/grandthe...tml?sid=6201971

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56203

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Grand-Theft...ugs-99237.shtml

http://kotaku.com/5101687/grand-theft-auto...a-little-broken

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3171648

http://pc.ign.com/articles/936/936304p1.html

http://www.actiontrip.com/rei/comments_new...tml?id=120408_2

 

When a game's headline is failure, there's a bigger problem than just the players themselves.

[abottig]

Um, no. Tell Take-Two's shareholders that "it's a niche." The idea is maximum profitability, not making the game available and working to a few select "elite users".

if that were the case then the term "niche market" would not exist. IV sold EXTREMELY well to the console, and now they're going after the much smaller "niche market"(PC gamers). please get over the fact that a cutting-edge game requires cutting-edge technology to go full-tilt. thank you.

 

EDIT:

Also, the "niche market" is only relatively small in this case. In fact it's a very large niche.

I'm not disputing the fact that it's a cutting edge game.

 

I AM disputing that a shoddy port is a legitimate excuse to tell people that their PC's are the problem. The fact that you call it "Rockstar's evil secret" is just laughable. Do you really think R*, or even Take-Two WANTS the bad press of a poorly ported game? Gamespot gave the game a 9.0, but even THEY called it a LAZY PORT.

 

Niche or no, it's still eating up profits by returns, bad press and patching. You think T2 is happy about paying people to work on a game that should have worked properly to begin with?

i wasn't saying it's an evil plan. i'm sure my original post revealed the sarcasm in the title.

[GTA3Freak-2001]

Why can't people admit its not a great port? That's whats wrong with the game!

[abottig]

Why can't people admit its not a great port? That's whats wrong with the game!

It's not a perfect port. That's what patches are for.

[goukiuk]

i agree 100% with the ops post i recentcly rebuilt my pc from a 7900gtx setup core 2 6400 to what i have in my sig I CANT PLAY GTA4 yet can max out crysis at full 1080p res im reading over the forums now for fixs shadows look like lego bricks cars look amazing so do character models etc.. but after 15/20 mins gameplay i get lag fps drops from 30-45 avg down to 2-15fps draw distance is fooked i can set at max settings or lowest and still get the same fps its a joke needs patching badly im not plowing more money into my pc for at least a year then im only going to core i7 will get my 260's there amazing graphics cards imo :-/

[Vicetopia]

i agree 100% with the ops post i recentcly rebuilt my pc from a 7900gtx setup core 2 6400 to what i have in my sig I CANT PLAY GTA4 yet can max out crysis at full 1080p res im reading over the forums now for fixs shadows look like lego bricks cars look amazing so do character models etc.. but after 15/20 mins gameplay i get lag fps drops from 30-45 avg down to 2-15fps draw distance is fooked i can set at max settings or lowest and still get the same fps its a joke needs patching badly im not plowing more money into my pc for at least a year then im only going to core i7 will get my 260's there amazing graphics cards imo :-/

Ugh, run-on sentences make my head hurt.

The sentences... They just keep going... and going...

[Corgi]

tl;dr

[johncage]

 

blah blah, kiss ass, i'm a retard

crysis runs at 70+ frames on my computer. smooth as can be. gta4 barely peaks at 40...and it is addled with horrific glitches, bugs and poor optimization...so yes it must be my pc. YOU f*ckING MORON.

 

oops. hope i didn't hurt his feelings by pointing out glaring logical errors that a 5 year old could have figured out. lol

 

p.s. american is a nationality, not a race. lol

Edited December 12, 2008 by johncage

[abottig]

blah blah, kiss ass, i'm a retard

crysis runs at 70+ frames on my computer. smooth as can be. gta4 barely peaks at 40...and it is addled with horrific glitches, bugs and poor optimization...so yes it must be my pc. YOU f*ckING MORON.

 

oops. hope i didn't hurt his feelings by pointing out glaring logical errors that a 5 year old could have figured out. lol

 

p.s. american is a nationality, not a race. lol

 

"logical errors"

???

 

anyway... i just finished playing Three Leaf Clover(the "Heat" mission), and it looked amazing. then, after the mission i went on a helicopter ride around the city and it was great. yes, there are glitches, but right now they've been few and far. it performs way better than the 360.

 

are you gonna flame that too?

[nagumo10001]

Two items to address.

 

1) The quality of the port. Yes, the game is indeed rife with issues (bugs). Many people with specs well above the R* recommended specs are having issues running this game. I personally think that the draconian implementation of DRM (there's much more than SecuROM) is part of the issue. Many are finding that using the crack that now works properly for the game offers quite a boost in performance (once again DRM hurts the paying customers only). The game is buggy too.

 

A prime example of weirdness is that I can run the game at an average of 38 FPS at 1920x1200 on this machine:

 

Core 2 Extreme X6800 @ 3.33GHz

4GB PC2 8500 (1066MHz)

Radeon HD4870 1GB

Auzentech Xplosion 7.1 DTS Connect sound card

2 500GB SATA II HDD's

Dell 24" LCD display

Intel "BadAxe2" motherboard

 

Settings used:

 

1920x1200

Textures = High

Rendering Path = Highest

View Distance = 30

Detail Distance = 100

Vehicle Density = 50 (100 runs fine but makes navigation by car a little too difficult when you're being chased)

Shadow Density = 16 (that's as high as it goes)

 

My friend, who has a better system (same motherboard, same sound card, Q6600 @ 4GHz, Radeon HD4870X2) can't even hit 21fps at 1680x1050 with all settings at their lowest.

 

I say that's less than consistent performance, I'm not even going to mention how weird the game is in terms of stability. One session I have no problems, then next time around it either freezes or I get a CTD.

 

2) The Euphoria engine. People seem to forget that this game stresses the CPU for a very real reason (though that does not excuse what is obviously some spotty code), physics. The Euphoria engine has a very detailed physics system. This game makes use of physics like never before. Every object in the game has physics applied, every movement uses physics to determine the path, and that all combines to requiring a hefty load from the CPU. Both of the consoles have CPU's with some pretty extreme theoretical processing power. The tri-core Xenon in the 360 at 3GHz has more processing power than a 3GHz Core i7 9granted the Xenon is an in-order-execution based CPU while PC's utilize out-of-order-execution style CPU's). But the raw horsepower for extreme physics is there on both the PS3 and 360. That's why the CPU is the major bottleneck for the game when it's running properly. And if you're upset with performance now just wait till the successor, Endorphin hits.

[abottig]

Two items to address.

 

1) The quality of the port. Yes, the game is indeed rife with issues (bugs). Many people with specs well above the R* recommended specs are having issues running this game. I personally think that the draconian implementation of DRM (there's much more than SecuROM) is part of the issue. Many are finding that using the crack that now works properly for the game offers quite a boost in performance (once again DRM hurts the paying customers only). The game is buggy too.

 

A prime example of weirdness is that I can run the game at an average of 38 FPS at 1920x1200 on this machine:

 

Core 2 Extreme X6800 @ 3.33GHz

4GB PC2 8500 (1066MHz)

Radeon HD4870 1GB

Auzentech Xplosion 7.1 DTS Connect sound card

2 500GB SATA II HDD's

Dell 24" LCD display

Intel "BadAxe2" motherboard

 

Settings used:

 

1920x1200

Textures = High

Rendering Path = Highest

View Distance = 30

Detail Distance = 100

Vehicle Density = 50 (100 runs fine but makes navigation by car a little too difficult when you're being chased)

Shadow Density = 16 (that's as high as it goes)

 

My friend, who has a better system (same motherboard, same sound card, Q6600 @ 4GHz, Radeon HD4870X2) can't even hit 21fps at 1680x1050 with all settings at their lowest.

 

I say that's less than consistent performance, I'm not even going to mention how weird the game is in terms of stability. One session I have no problems, then next time around it either freezes or I get a CTD.

 

2) The Euphoria engine. People seem to forget that this game stresses the CPU for a very real reason (though that does not excuse what is obviously some spotty code), physics. The Euphoria engine has a very detailed physics system. This game makes use of physics like never before. Every object in the game has physics applied, every movement uses physics to determine the path, and that all combines to requiring a hefty load from the CPU. Both of the consoles have CPU's with some pretty extreme theoretical processing power. The tri-core Xenon in the 360 at 3GHz has more processing power than a 3GHz Core i7 9granted the Xenon is an in-order-execution based CPU while PC's utilize out-of-order-execution style CPU's). But the raw horsepower for extreme physics is there on both the PS3 and 360. That's why the CPU is the major bottleneck for the game when it's running properly. And if you're upset with performance now just wait till the successor, Endorphin hits.

you make a great point about the physics engine. in my opinion that is the area that GTA really impresses me, and i think that advanced physics will be more important going forward than anything else. for example, wait until we have truer representations of what happens when a bullet rips through the human body; destroying flesh and bone, shattering skulls, etc.

[Breadman86]

So I didn't read this thread other than the original topic post.

 

I'm a PC Gamer only. I don't own a console. I have NEVER owned a console. I buy a new PC every 3-4 years and do small upgrades throughout those 3-4 years. It's been 3 years, so it's about time for a large upgrade for me.

 

I guess I just fail to see where you get the idea that PC Gamers are all rich and want their game experiences to be difficult and costly...

[Turdist]

It's called a niche...

 

It's been designed with the PC gamer in mind. The PC gamer and the console gamer are two different animals.

 

The PC gamer is an enthusiast who takes pride in his rig. They buy graphics cards, and high performance memory. They overclock, and use watercooling. They run benchmarks and stress tests. They drool over things like aftermarket cooling, L2 cache, and tight RAM timings. They are the people you call to fix your PC when you f*cked it up.

 

When a game like GTAIV comes out, the PC gamer dreams of pushing it to it's limit with newer or overclocked hardware. Generally, the PC gamer has more disposable income to spend on their rig. Rockstar gets this, and so do a lot of PC game makers. They purposely make it so that you need a sick system to run their games. Then, they go a few steps further and make sure that you need a REALLY sick computer to run at MAX settings. It's a niche market.

 

The console gamer just wants to pop it in and play. He says, "I payed $300 for this thing and I should be able to play any game that they release for it!" And he is right. He should--and can--play games that are released for it. He should stick to his console.

 

Unfortunately, the console gamer also applies this philosophy to his PC. In some cases the console gamer's PC cost more than his xbox or ps3. The ways PC's are marketed, it's very easy to think you are getting a great gaming rig, when in fact you aren't. These things are best left to the PC enthusiasts.

 

So that's Rockstar's evil secret. They made a kick-ass game for all the 360 and ps3 owners. Then, they made a great game for the PC enthusiasts who have the time, money, and know-how to use the game now and eventually push it to it's limits and MAX out all settings.

 

If you fit into the category of PC enthusiast/gamer, then you know what I'm talking about. If not, then please uninstall GTAIV and fire up your console version.

 

...Me? I own an Xbox360 and the rig you see in my sig. I sold my 360 copy of GTAIV, picked up the PC version, and would never look back. For those who have the means, the PC version is the ONLY way to play GTAIV. Otherwise, stick to the console. Nothing wrong with that though. The console version still kicks ass!

 

BTW, to the people who have Anti-Rockstar signatures:

Are you seriously telling me that when the next GTA comes out for console that you won't buy it? Bullsh*t. I'll see you all at the next midnight launch!

So, i think I get your point here. But what is the conclusion? that rockstar are c*nts? if so, I agree.

[abottig]

So, i think I get your point here. But what is the conclusion? that rockstar are c*nts? if so, I agree.

haha no. but if that's the conclusion you draw, then so be it.

 

btw, the title was meant to be sarcastic.

[bp2018]

 

read my sig. i have a decent gaming rig. it's not "top-end".

 

the draw distance is better than consoles, the distance detail is better, the rendering is better, the textures are better. if you have the means to play it i suggest you do. it kicks ass.

 

the box basically does state "run this or better". isn't that what minimum requirements are? do you know what a min-i-mum is?

 

a niche market is a bankruptcy market? how big is the market for high end cpu's and graphics cards? how big is the market for watercooling? how big is the market for most aftermarket parts??? SMALL in comparison to the rest of the industry. THEY ARE NICHE MARKETS, and are not causing companies to go bankrupt. same with gtaiv for pc. it is for a niche market(pc gamers). get it?

 

You seem to of missed the point entirely, I hope you read a little better this time, You stated its designed only for TOP END, then stated that it has got a set of requirements people should only play the game if they meet or exceed, yet this is EXACTLY what we have been explaining to you, the game DOES NOT run well on computers than even exceed the recommended by a mile, add to this the fact you seem to think games are created for a niche market and then compare this to manufacturers is a completely retarded statement.

 

They dont print millions of copys of games or spend millions porting a game only to sell to a mere 10% of th market, and as for comparing it to selling high end computer components thats ridiculous, they make a set amout of thosep arts and sell them off, they dont make millions and try selling them, think before you type please.

 

The point is that while computers at the lower end of the requirements are not expected to get silky smooth play, computers way above recommended should be easily capable of getting silky smooth gaming on low settings.

 

Draw distance: 30

Car density: 50

Shadows: 0

detail distance: 100

 

Render quality: high

Textures: medium

 

That's BARELY ABOVE CONSOLE SETTINGS and yet it still runs like ass in most areas, as for saying consoles use one kind of CPU while pc's use another... thats not really true anymore, consoles are nothing more than cheap pcs slapped into a tiny cube, the reason they work with such low requirements is they can optimise for those components and not have to worry about making it for anything else, if it works on one, it works on the rest.

 

There in lies the issue, the game has not been given proper attention in this field, and only a few patches can sort this out, now stop trying to say "its only for the niche market" thats bullsh*t and you know it.

 

If you spent $20,000,000 on porting and producing a game, would you then make it only playable on a niche market and make about $25,000,000 back? WOAH! $5,000,000 profit.... well there goes the business.

[nagumo10001]

 

as for saying consoles use one kind of CPU while pc's use another... thats not really true anymore, consoles are nothing more than cheap pcs slapped into a tiny cube

 

That isn't really true.

 

The PS3's Cell is a massively parallel system of SPE's controlled by a sort of CPU. It's potential is really quite amazing, though it is difficult to harness as games are not particularly friendly to systems that require code that employs a heavy degree of prediction. Bug quashing is especially hard as issues can arise from the massively parallel nature of the system in different places and not be replicable 100% of the time.

 

The 360's Xenon CPU is a RISC based in-order-execution processor. This means that when code requires access to information in RAM, other code must wait in line till that hit is performed. It is most certainly a different beast than the CISC out-of-order-execution based CPU's utilized in PC's today. There are pros and cons to each style of execution with appropriately corresponding cost to performance benefits and detractors.

[abottig]

read my sig. i have a decent gaming rig. it's not "top-end".

 

the draw distance is better than consoles, the distance detail is better, the rendering is better, the textures are better. if you have the means to play it i suggest you do. it kicks ass.

 

the box basically does state "run this or better". isn't that what minimum requirements are? do you know what a min-i-mum is?

 

a niche market is a bankruptcy market? how big is the market for high end cpu's and graphics cards? how big is the market for watercooling? how big is the market for most aftermarket parts??? SMALL in comparison to the rest of the industry. THEY ARE NICHE MARKETS, and are not causing companies to go bankrupt. same with gtaiv for pc. it is for a niche market(pc gamers). get it?

 

You seem to of missed the point entirely, I hope you read a little better this time, You stated its designed only for TOP END, then stated that it has got a set of requirements people should only play the game if they meet or exceed, yet this is EXACTLY what we have been explaining to you, the game DOES NOT run well on computers than even exceed the recommended by a mile, add to this the fact you seem to think games are created for a niche market and then compare this to manufacturers is a completely retarded statement.

 

They dont print millions of copys of games or spend millions porting a game only to sell to a mere 10% of th market, and as for comparing it to selling high end computer components thats ridiculous, they make a set amout of thosep arts and sell them off, they dont make millions and try selling them, think before you type please.

 

The point is that while computers at the lower end of the requirements are not expected to get silky smooth play, computers way above recommended should be easily capable of getting silky smooth gaming on low settings.

 

Draw distance: 30

Car density: 50

Shadows: 0

detail distance: 100

 

Render quality: high

Textures: medium

 

That's BARELY ABOVE CONSOLE SETTINGS and yet it still runs like ass in most areas, as for saying consoles use one kind of CPU while pc's use another... thats not really true anymore, consoles are nothing more than cheap pcs slapped into a tiny cube, the reason they work with such low requirements is they can optimise for those components and not have to worry about making it for anything else, if it works on one, it works on the rest.

 

There in lies the issue, the game has not been given proper attention in this field, and only a few patches can sort this out, now stop trying to say "its only for the niche market" thats bullsh*t and you know it.

 

If you spent $20,000,000 on porting and producing a game, would you then make it only playable on a niche market and make about $25,000,000 back? WOAH! $5,000,000 profit.... well there goes the business.

where are these numbers from? 10% of the market? $20,000,000 on a port $5,000,000 profit? what the f*ck are these numbers? you're using pretend figures to prove your point.

 

and what resolution are those settings at? and on what system specs?

 

and dont say that it doesnt run well on systems that exceed the minimum, because it does. read my sig. i have a decent gaming rig at best and i get great performance for hours on end. stop hating just because it works for most and not for some(the vocal minority).

 

and, it IS a niche market. how many people do you know that own a computer with at least all of the minimum requirements? of those who will purchase gta? and of those people, how many are tech savvy enough to take a pro-active approach to fixing any issues? not many. hence why less pc games are being developed, and the ones that are, are intended to run on higher-end machines. console gaming is king. that is where the big bucks are made.the pc gaming market is tiny in comparison, but is still profitable.

 

can you read? a niche market does not mean "not profitable," or even "small." why can't you grasp this simple concept? pc gaming is a niche market. a profitable niche.

so please, stuff the bogus numbers and come up with something not written by my daughter.

 

 

 

[slugbucket]

rockstar don't like poor people!

Edited December 17, 2008 by slugbucket

[dirty-dog]

 

And I could play Halo 1 pretty good on a quite low-spec computer at the time aswell.

Hmm, I clearly remember Halo's PC release and you needed an uber PC to run it at all well. Most systems at the time choked on it because it was a poorly optimised port, like GTA IV.

 

 

 

 

Oh and this thread is bullsh*t by the way.

[abottig]

 

I'm not really a gamer,  I'm a GTA fan!  I'm not financially secure to buy upgrades for my computer every month, 

I only like the gta games so I didn't want to run out and spend $400 on a console just to basically play this one game. I waited till it came out on PC. since I fully upgraded back in may. to what I thought was a good system (for me)

isn't good for this game.  it still plays but looks and performs like crap. I understand I will have to save money to upgrade my cpu, graphics, and memory. or in other words spend $300  I now know I was fooled! if I would,ve known microsoft was involved

I think It might've been better to just get a ps3. I just want to play the game and enjoy it the way it was intended

I really hope this patch works. so I'll have a good reason to upgrade again.

 

AMD athlon 64 X2 4400+

ati radeon hd 3200 onboard graphics

2 GB ram

 

....when I try to run the benchmark. it doesn't work, it just ends the game and said an error occurred.

how do I run a benchmark test??????

 

sorry I'm a newbie despite the fact that I'm 35

dude, the only people who fooled you are the people who sold you your pc. you have onboard graphics. this will not cut it. buy a graphics card. newegg.com has a gtx260 on sale right now for $200.

 

read up on how to build a pc. with just a little knowledge, one can easily build their own pc for fairly cheap and be able to play titles like gtaiv. research the parts in my sig for evidence of this. this way, you will be a much more informed shopper next time around even if you decide to go the pre-built route again.

 

or just drop $199 on an xbox360! get a card, or a console. those are your only choices.

 

 

good luck.

[abottig]

Oh and this thread is bullsh*t by the way.

that was very constructive. thank you.

[Mr.Been]

I'm not really a gamer,  I'm a GTA fan!  I'm not financially secure to buy upgrades for my computer every month, 

I only like the gta games so I didn't want to run out and spend $400 on a console just to basically play this one game. I waited till it came out on PC. since I fully upgraded back in may. to what I thought was a good system (for me)

isn't good for this game.  it still plays but looks and performs like crap. I understand I will have to save money to upgrade my cpu, graphics, and memory. or in other words spend $300  I now know I was fooled! if I would,ve known microsoft was involved

I think It might've been better to just get a ps3. I just want to play the game and enjoy it the way it was intended

I really hope this patch works. so I'll have a good reason to upgrade again.

 

AMD athlon 64 X2 4400+

ati radeon hd 3200 onboard graphics

2 GB ram

 

....when I try to run the benchmark. it doesn't work, it just ends the game and said an error occurred.

how do I run a benchmark test??????

 

sorry I'm a newbie despite the fact that I'm 35

dude, the only people who fooled you are the people who sold you your pc. you have onboard graphics. this will not cut it. buy a graphics card. newegg.com has a gtx260 on sale right now for $200.

 

read up on how to build a pc. with just a little knowledge, one can easily build their own pc for fairly cheap and be able to play titles like gtaiv. research the parts in my sig for evidence of this. this way, you will be a much more informed shopper next time around even if you decide to go the pre-built route again.

 

or just drop $199 on an xbox360! get a card, or a console. those are your only choices.

 

 

good luck.

why don´t you play gta4 if it runs so perfect on your 120 inch cock machine instead of posing here ? ah your mum has forbidden you to play such a brutal game eh ?

[nagumo10001]

I'm not really a gamer,  I'm a GTA fan!  I'm not financially secure to buy upgrades for my computer every month, 

I only like the gta games so I didn't want to run out and spend $400 on a console just to basically play this one game. I waited till it came out on PC. since I fully upgraded back in may. to what I thought was a good system (for me)

isn't good for this game.  it still plays but looks and performs like crap. I understand I will have to save money to upgrade my cpu, graphics, and memory. or in other words spend $300  I now know I was fooled! if I would,ve known microsoft was involved

I think It might've been better to just get a ps3. I just want to play the game and enjoy it the way it was intended

I really hope this patch works. so I'll have a good reason to upgrade again.

 

AMD athlon 64 X2 4400+

ati radeon hd 3200 onboard graphics

2 GB ram

 

....when I try to run the benchmark. it doesn't work, it just ends the game and said an error occurred.

how do I run a benchmark test??????

 

sorry I'm a newbie despite the fact that I'm 35

dude, the only people who fooled you are the people who sold you your pc. you have onboard graphics. this will not cut it. buy a graphics card. newegg.com has a gtx260 on sale right now for $200.

 

read up on how to build a pc. with just a little knowledge, one can easily build their own pc for fairly cheap and be able to play titles like gtaiv. research the parts in my sig for evidence of this. this way, you will be a much more informed shopper next time around even if you decide to go the pre-built route again.

 

or just drop $199 on an xbox360! get a card, or a console. those are your only choices.

 

 

good luck.

why don´t you play gta4 if it runs so perfect on your 120 inch cock machine instead of posing here ? ah your mum has forbidden you to play such a brutal game eh ?

Except he's correct. The 3200 series cards are really just low end cards that work great for Windows Aero and offer accelerated playback of HD MPEG4 based content. They are cheap and not really designed for hardcore gaming. Even worse is that the on-board products share the lower speed system RAM rather than having high speed dedicated GDDR based memory.

 

Right now a good upgrade for the fiscally challenged is the HD4870 512MB or GTX260 216. Both can be found for $199 with offers of free shipping from the likes of Newegg, and both would significantly boost the mans gaming performance.

 

I also have to wonder why people bring up someones mother and call them a child when their own post is the one laden with needlessly acerbic ad hominem attacks.

[Irrati0nal]

You should know that there are people that can run the game well with reasonably good computers (take a look at the Social Club TV). It's just the game's performance is not consistent.

the game's performance my not be consistent on "reasonably good computers" because it's not designed for "reasonably good computers."

 

It's designed for the niche market to enjoy. I know it sounds bad, but n00bs need not apply when it comes to PC gaming.

I wish I was an elitest prick too..

i just so happen to be in the niche market that this game(pc version) was made for. i'm a pc enthusiast. you say elitist because you just don't get it.

I have a PC that is better than yours, play only on the PC after selling both of my Ps2's, I code and build computers as a hobby.

 

 

 

Yet you are utterly wrong, refer to my signature, thankyou.

[Bladerunner_UK]

Already posted elsewhere on this forum, but in case anybody missed it, this just about sums it up perfectly:

 

Watch and Learn!

[Mike2k4]

Hello all. And hello abottig. I don't post on these forums an awful lot, but I feel I must here.

 

I've painstakingly read through this entire thread.

 

Abbotig, you basically blame the majority of PC gamers, saying its their fault the game doesn't work. Most of them have specs that far exceed the minimum R* Toronto released, and indeed the recommended. Perhaps R* Toronto knew their min and recommended specs were unrealistic, and just released them so that people would buy the game for PC thinking they were going to be able to play it. Whoops, game didn't work.

 

R* Toronto have done a very bad job on this game. It's very nice that they've signed up and acknowledged their faults, but they still should have sorted this out long before release, rather than chucking it out at the beginning of December so that it would be on the shelves in time for Christmas.

 

Not every PC gamer is a hardcore one. I for one don't buy a PC game which has recommended specs far greater than my PC can handle, then go out and buy hundreds of pounds worth of upgrades for it. On my PC I play Crysis, Oblivion (yes, two years old, but it's still a cracking game - mods are only a fraction of what's keeping that game alive and worth going back to), COD4, and Far Cry 2. They run incredibly. I also have Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, but let's not talk about that ...

 

Fact is, a lot of people should be able to play this game well with the specs of their PC, but a lot of them are having trouble running it even on the lowest settings. My copy lags like crazy after about half an hour of playing, and recently my graphics card overheated due to the game. To clarify, my graphics card has never overheated before, on any game. I'm currently leaving IV in the case it came in, and waiting for this patch R* are releasing.

 

I think the poll on the GTA4.net homepage speaks volumes.

 

I'm not here to flame anyone, or insult anyone. If I have done so, please let me know. I'll reply nicely to anyone who doesn't insult me - and you may even receive a , but if you do insult me, I'll throw eggs at you.

 

Rant over (rests fingers).

[Ahetulla]

Someone give this man a cigar!

 

I am running a ASUS P5K64-WS with Intel Q9450 Quad Core, 4 Gigs of DDR3 1600Mhz ram, Sapphire 4870 X2 w/ Koolance liquid cooling, 3TB of SATA Western Digital Drives, 42" LCD Toshiba 42LX177, and Logitech Digital 5.1's. I get 56 fps, on medium settings. Game runs fine too. However when I set to high I get 36 fps and the game crashes freqently. It is obvious to me that they released the game unfinished, which is a real let down for PC enthusiasts such as myself. I had my system ready for many of the new titles which run flawless, yet GTA IV doesn't make the bar.

[gwalker]

What a colossal prick.

[Faye]

 

You should know that there are people that can run the game well with reasonably good computers (take a look at the Social Club TV). It's just the game's performance is not consistent.

the game's performance my not be consistent on "reasonably good computers" because it's not designed for "reasonably good computers."

 

It's designed for the niche market to enjoy. I know it sounds bad, but n00bs need not apply when it comes to PC gaming.

I wish I was an elitest prick too..

i just so happen to be in the niche market that this game(pc version) was made for. i'm a pc enthusiast. you say elitist because you just don't get it.

No, you just don't get it. You are being an elitest f*ck. I'm a PC Gamer and I know my share about hardware and performance, but I don't preach about how amazing I am for understanding it. It's really actually not a hard thing to grasp, and nothing to brag about in this computerized day and age.

 

I think this post sums up the views of the silent majority quite well;

 

 

What a colossal prick.

Edited December 12, 2008 by Fenn

[abottig]

 

You should know that there are people that can run the game well with reasonably good computers (take a look at the Social Club TV). It's just the game's performance is not consistent.

the game's performance my not be consistent on "reasonably good computers" because it's not designed for "reasonably good computers."

 

It's designed for the niche market to enjoy. I know it sounds bad, but n00bs need not apply when it comes to PC gaming.

I wish I was an elitest prick too..

i just so happen to be in the niche market that this game(pc version) was made for. i'm a pc enthusiast. you say elitist because you just don't get it.

No, you just don't get it. You are being an elitest f*ck. I'm a PC Gamer and I know my share about hardware and performance, but I don't preach about how amazing I am for understanding it. It's really actually not a hard thing to grasp, and nothing to brag about in this computerized day and age.

 

I think this post sums up the views of the silent majority quite well;

 

 

What a colossal prick.

@most of you:

did i say that i know more than you? or that my pc is so uber-awesome? no i did not. so why don't you read the entire op, and formulate a rational rebuttal if you disagree with me? if i am so "utterly wrong" then please tell me why(that doesn't mean insulting my parents, or calling me a prick)?

 

@fenn:

did i preach that i am "amazing" for having some technical knowledge? no, i didn't. i never have. not at all anywhere on this forum, ever. so where did that idea come from? read the op buddy, and try again.

 

@mr.been:

i was explaining that his ON-BOARD graphics wouldn't cut it. does that have anything to do with my computer? no. so why flame? are you suggesting that on-board cards should be able to play the latest games? because they shouldn't!

 

@nagumo10001:

Thank you for helping me clarify!

 

@Mike2K4:

Thank you for sharing your opinions without flaming. I think we need to put GTA on a higher pedestal than games like crysis. it's the "next gen" if you will. with that said, i'm sure the patch will fix most LEGITIMATE technical issues, as opposed to issues caused by the end-user.

 

 

I stick to the OP:

Top tier PC games are for people with higher-end machines than what is found at your local best buy. Fact. If you want to play games like GTA, then upgrade your computer or at least be pro-active in fixing your problem. if it still aint workin: wait for the patch. these things happen. it's just too bad that a vocal minority makes it seem as though this game is "unplayable."

 

 

Now, how many of you will read this entire post? judging by past comments, not many!

 

flame on, i guess....

Edited December 12, 2008 by abottig