Why GTAIV doesn't work

[Mike2k4]

^^^Mike2k4, that was sarcasm. i laid it on pretty thick bro.

Very thick, yes.

 

Seems you are a very sarcastic fellow, Bro.

[Death_Blade]

Well, when you have some of the best hardware on the market, and are STILL unable to play the game properly, you have valid reason to complain. Especially when there are better games out there that you can run maxed out. Same goes for console. What if you bought a game on the consoles and it wouldnt play right, or the disc wouldnt read or some bs? You would be complaining too. You shouldnt make games that can run only run on "future hardware". Make games that can run on TODAYS hardware, and worry about the future, when its actually the future.

[illuminati2025]

Well, when you have some of the best hardware on the market, and are STILL unable to play the game properly, you have valid reason to complain. Especially when there are better games out there that you can run maxed out. Same goes for console. What if you bought a game on the consoles and it wouldnt play right, or the disc wouldnt read or some bs? You would be complaining too. You shouldnt make games that can run only run on "future hardware". Make games that can run on TODAYS hardware, and worry about the future, when its actually the future.

Rockstar has been claiming, repeatedly, that the game was designed for "future hardware."

 

 

Why is there no DirectX 10 support, if that statement is true?

 

 

I think they are dodging shoddy coding, claiming that inefficient programming, and just franky sh*tty beta-testing would be covered up by raw processing power that isn't widely available.

 

 

Yet that also is an epic fail. People who barely meet the minimum reqs are reporting getting 20FPS+ higher than people with $3000 systems. No rhyme or reason to it.

 

 

I agree with the consensus of the PC community: This game was a bad, rushed port that is just shamelessly trying to get in on the Christmas rush.

 

 

Wait until its in the bargain bin or pirate it. Either way, Rockstar doesn't deserve anyone's money for this mess.

 

 

If you're running the game, that's great! I know GTA IV is a great game and I am very, very disappointed that the patch f*cked over my install and my problems were worse than ever. I got a refund from Best Buy and am now the proud owner of Prince of Persia.

 

 

Its amusing that the patch, after a week of "testing," broke support for the 360 controller. Something is going on behind the scenes.

[abottig]

@illuminati:

 

if you don't buy r* products then why are you here?

 

@bp2018:

 

give it up. i already proved your utter incompetence in this post:

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058751479

 

 

[illuminati2025]

 

@illuminati:

 

if you don't buy r* products then why are you here?

 

@bp2018:

 

give it up. i already proved your utter incompetence in this post:

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058751479

To anger childish forum trolls like you.

 

 

 

"COOL KID"

 

 

 

LoL.

 

 

 

I hope your parents' health insurance covers psychotherapy.

[ArecBalrin]

 

if you don't buy r* products then why are you here?

 

 

What makes you think he doesn't? Besides, they don't have an official forum and I would have thought the purpose of criticism is obvious and not dependent on any purchase.

[abottig]

Yet that also is an epic fail. People who barely meet the minimum reqs are reporting getting 20FPS+ higher than people with $3000 systems. No rhyme or reason to it.

 

 

the rig in my specs is maybe a $600 system, and i run the f*ck out of IV:

 

38fps

1600x900

med textures

highest render

33 dist

max detail

max shadow

max traffic

 

ENTHUSIAST. I research the latest parts, but i only buy the moderately priced stuff. i overclock what i need, and overall get a great bang for my buck. i don't buy pre-built pc's for $2000 because they're a huge rip-off. not many people understand this, and they bitch when they can't run the game.

[illuminati2025]

 

Yet that also is an epic fail.  People who barely meet the minimum reqs are reporting getting 20FPS+ higher than people with $3000 systems.  No rhyme or reason to it.

 

 

the rig in my specs is maybe a $600 system, and i run the f*ck out of IV:

 

38fps

1600x900

med textures

highest render

33 dist

max detail

max shadow

max traffic

 

ENTHUSIAST. I research the latest parts, but i only buy the moderately priced stuff. i overclock what i need, and overall get a great bang for my buck. i don't buy pre-built pc's for $2000 because they're a huge rip-off. not many people understand this, and they bitch when they can't run the game.

Dude.

 

 

I really feel for you, and I want to help you.

 

 

 

 

 

You've already been exposed for what you are: A forum troll.

 

 

 

 

You are propping up your poor self-esteem by posing as a "Leet PC enthuasiast"

 

 

 

 

Dude. Whatever you know about hardware doesn't make you a better person. You can't go through life like this, making yourself feel better by making forum posts that aren't even working. You've already been exposed as an ignorant jackass.

 

 

 

I really want you to get help. One of my friends works in the clinical counseling industry, she can get you the address of a reputable, DEA-registered, licensed counseling center in your area. PM me if you want to get the help you need.

 

 

 

 

My personal philosophy in life is I can't just stand by and watch someone self-destruct. If your inferiority complex is so intimately tied in with computer hardware, however that happened (maybe you were bullied in high school?) and now that you've been exposed, you could get unstable.

 

 

 

I want you to have a better life man.

[abottig]

@illuminati:

 

if you don't buy r* products then why are you here?

 

@bp2018:

 

give it up. i already proved your utter incompetence in this post:

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058751479

To anger childish forum trolls like you.

 

 

 

"COOL KID"

 

 

 

LoL.

 

 

 

I hope your parents' health insurance covers psychotherapy.

 

my parents died together on 9/11. the insurance money from that would probably do it. but i think i'd rather spend that on my daughter.

[illuminati2025]

Now he says he has a daughter.

 

 

 

We are here to help you dude

[abottig]

 

Now he says he has a daughter.

 

 

 

We are here to help you dude

stick to the point dude. you just said that a $3000 system wont run IV, when CLEARLY there are plenty of much cheaper systems that are running it with no problems. that's a fact. not everyone is having trouble.

 

so why not stick to the topic instead of initiating attacks on my personal life? have i "bragged" about my specs? no. i keep repeating the fact that my specs are moderate, and i have a decent rig at best. i'm trying to point out the fact that most PC users are clueless.

 

the public in general is clueless. arm the population with pc's and you're bound to have millions of morons who dont know how to use them.

 

can we please stay on topic?

 

 

btw, i never said i was an "elite" pc enthusiast. all i said is that i know what i'm doing, and i cited specific examples of experience. i never said i was better than anyone. stop putting words in my mouth.

Edited December 13, 2008 by abottig

[illuminati2025]

Now he says he has a daughter.

 

 

 

We are here to help you dude

stick to the point dude. you just said that a $3000 system wont run IV, when CLEARLY there are plenty of much cheaper systems that are running it with no problems. that's a fact. not everyone is having trouble.

 

so why not stick to the topic instead of initiating attacks on my personal life? have i "bragged" about my specs? no. i keep repeating the fact that my specs are moderate, and i have a decent rig at best. i'm trying to point out the fact that most PC users are clueless.

 

the public in general is clueless. arm the population with pc's and you're bound to have millions of morons who dont know how to use them.

 

can we please stay on topic?

 

 

btw, i never said i was an "elite" pc enthusiast. all i said is that i know what i'm doing, and i cited specific examples of experience. i never said i was better than anyone. stop putting words in my mouth.

Hey man,

 

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with having a problem.

 

 

 

 

There is something wrong with having a problem and refusing to get help.

[abottig]

Now he says he has a daughter.

 

 

 

We are here to help you dude

stick to the point dude. you just said that a $3000 system wont run IV, when CLEARLY there are plenty of much cheaper systems that are running it with no problems. that's a fact. not everyone is having trouble.

 

so why not stick to the topic instead of initiating attacks on my personal life? have i "bragged" about my specs? no. i keep repeating the fact that my specs are moderate, and i have a decent rig at best. i'm trying to point out the fact that most PC users are clueless.

 

the public in general is clueless. arm the population with pc's and you're bound to have millions of morons who dont know how to use them.

 

can we please stay on topic?

 

 

btw, i never said i was an "elite" pc enthusiast. all i said is that i know what i'm doing, and i cited specific examples of experience. i never said i was better than anyone. stop putting words in my mouth.

Hey man,

 

 

 

 

There's nothing wrong with having a problem.

 

 

 

 

There is something wrong with having a problem and refusing to get help.

not sticking to the topic is weak.

 

btw, your using a Go7900gs. take responsibility for having sh*t hardware and stop blaming rockstar.

 

will you respond to this with another completely off topic post?

[Ahm3dS]

-.-"

[Death_Blade]

 

34fps on the benchmark is around 20fps in the game.

You don't get smooth game play at 20 fps...

 

And seriously, my rig isn't a power house by any means. If you can't turn the details down to get a playable framerate, then you should just stick to the console version n00b.

don't start telling these people that you can run the game. and by all means, don't start telling them that it looks fantastic. you'll be branded a liar because everyone knows that this game is broken and doesn't work at all, for anyone, anywhere.

 

 

but seriously,

i see you've met vicetopia. he has a great habit of flaming, and kicking puppies.

 

 

 

the rig in my specs is maybe a $600 system, and i run the f*ck out of IV:

 

38fps

1600x900

med textures

highest render

33 dist

max detail

max shadow

max traffic

 

ENTHUSIAST. I research the latest parts, but i only buy the moderately priced stuff. i overclock what i need, and overall get a great bang for my buck. i don't buy pre-built pc's for $2000 because they're a huge rip-off. not many people understand this, and they bitch when they can't run the game.

 

 

lol wut? If "no one" can run the game, how can you?

 

obvious troll is obvious.

Edited December 13, 2008 by Death_Blade

[abottig]

 

34fps on the benchmark is around 20fps in the game.

You don't get smooth game play at 20 fps...

 

And seriously, my rig isn't a power house by any means. If you can't turn the details down to get a playable framerate, then you should just stick to the console version n00b.

don't start telling these people that you can run the game. and by all means, don't start telling them that it looks fantastic. you'll be branded a liar because everyone knows that this game is broken and doesn't work at all, for anyone, anywhere.

 

 

but seriously,

i see you've met vicetopia. he has a great habit of flaming, and kicking puppies.

 

 

 

the rig in my specs is maybe a $600 system, and i run the f*ck out of IV:

 

38fps

1600x900

med textures

highest render

33 dist

max detail

max shadow

max traffic

 

ENTHUSIAST. I research the latest parts, but i only buy the moderately priced stuff. i overclock what i need, and overall get a great bang for my buck. i don't buy pre-built pc's for $2000 because they're a huge rip-off. not many people understand this, and they bitch when they can't run the game.

 

 

lol wut? If "no one" can run the game, how can you?

 

obvious troll is obvious.

AGAIN, THAT WAS SARCASM!!! DID YOU READ THE OP?!

 

THE GAME WORKS FOR MOST PEOPLE. THE VOCAL MINORITY ON THIS BOARD MAKE IT SEEM OTHERWISE.

[RedAero]

Said this before, but it seems to have missed you.

 

Read my lips: This. Game. Is. NOT. Next. Gen.

 

It's not advanced in any way. The graphics are not cutting-edge(way worse than i.e. Crysis), and as such, the game should not require anything more than a midrange computer to run at a decent FPS. However we see people with NASA-grade computers getting 30-40 FPS from the game, which is simply ridiculous.

 

You seem to think that every single person on here who meets the requirements, but gets bad performance, has not "optimized" his/her system, and they're to blame for the low FPS they're getting. This is plain and simple bullsh*t.

The game is obviously badly optimized. My GPU gets a fair workout playing older games that were made for the PC, but this game doesn't even warm it up(it's an 8800GT BTW, standard clocks). My GPU and RAM, on the other hand, are being worked to the bone and I barely get 18 FPS when it's dark and it's raining in-game. I've downloaded all the latest drivers, from chipset to GPU, I've overclocked my 5200+ from 2.6 to 3.0GHz, I've tried all combinations of command line parameters, messed with my settings, everything, and not only does my game not run properly, it looks as if it was made in 1999. What was the last game you played that had no anti-aliasing? Or proper graphics options? What was the last game you had to mess with for hours on end, just to run?

 

If developers want to make money, they should develop for older computers, not ones from the distant future, and make sure that the game runs out of the box. The average "enthusiast" does not have a bleeding-edge rig, or the will and know-how to mess around with RAM timings and command line parameters, nor should they need to. A game should run out of the box, on any combination of hardware and console, provided said HW and SW meet the minimum/recommended requirements.

 

And this is what really ticks me off: developers are bitching and moaning about piracy every waking hour, complaining that they don't sell enough games. Well let me tell you why people don't buy the games: because they blow. Games aren't innovative, they aren't fun, and they don't work. Hell, the last honest-to-goodness good game I played was Portal, and that's on the Source engine. Great graphics, innovative and creative gameplay, and it worked on the spot. The whole release-first-patch-later practice drives gamers towards a try-before-you-buy philosophy, and piracy grows. Legit buyers of the game have to deal with 3-4 different security measure that are 100% unnecessary, since they get cracked within the week, yet shell out their hard-earned cash for a game that barely works. It's an outrage, is what it is.

 

I'm a pirate, I'll be the first to admit that. But seeing how good GTA:SA was, I decided that Rockstar have earned their money, and bought the game on release day. It's the first - and last - Rockstar game I will ever purchase with money, unless they fix it to proper video game standards before January. This is not going to happen, and Rockstar is not going to get any more of my money. In fact, it's the last game I buy without downloading it first, to see if it works. Great job Rockstar, you just took the PC gaming industry down another peg. At least you can rest easy knowing that you have contributed greatly to the death of PC games and the rise of piracy. Here's a cookie for you:

 

PS: I'd just like to add that 3 of my friends downloaded the game instead of buying it based on my advice, and they're glad they did.

 

[abottig]

RedAero:

 

I appreciate your feedback.

 

However, I believe that your bottleneck in this case is you CPU. Try turning down the settings that are the hardest on your cpu: detail distance, shadows, traffic density, and rendering. i hope that helps.

 

i've heard a lot of x2 users with decent ram and graphics cards complaining about low fps. from what i've heard it runs best (so far, patches willing) on a core 2 duo. even quad core users are getting slower performance. also try shutting off any power saving or virtualization features in your bios. rockstar mentioned that this could inhibit cpu speeds during play.

 

unfortunately these are the steps we need to take before the proper patches.

 

 

but how have i contributed to piracy? the reason that i downloaded the crack before i purchased was because of all the negative stuff being said here. i honestly didn't think it would work. but, just as is always the case, the loud minority were wrong.

 

think about it; when you download a torrent do you read the comments? most of them are from people screaming "it doesnt work!" or "its fake!" you ignore them because you know what's a proper release and what's not. most users simply don't get it.

Edited December 13, 2008 by abottig

[RedAero]

 

RedAero:

 

I appreciate your feedback.

 

However, I believe that your bottleneck in this case is you CPU. Try turning down the settings that are the hardest on your cpu: detail distance, shadows, traffic density, and rendering. i hope that helps.

 

i've heard a lot of x2 users with decent ram and graphics cards complaining about low fps. from what i've heard it runs best (so far, patches willing) on a core 2 duo. even quad core users are getting slower performance. also try shutting off any power saving or virtualization features in your bios. rockstar mentioned that this could inhibit cpu speeds during play.

 

unfortunately these are the steps we need to take before the proper patches.

 

 

but how have i contributed to piracy? the reason that i downloaded the crack before i purchased was because of all the negative stuff being said here. i honestly didn't think it would work. but, just as is always the case, the loud minority were wrong.

 

think about it; when you download a torrent do you read the comments? most of them are from people screaming "it doesnt work!" or "its fake!" you ignore them because you know what's a proper release and what's not. most users simply don't get it.

My CPU could be a bottleneck, but in no way should it be. It's only 200MHz under yours, and I could OC it a bit more to reach those speeds, but I won't bother, since it does not help at all. An X2 @ 3GHz should run just about anything decently, but it can't run a game that looks old on release day. And I don't run the game maxed out: [email protected], med textures, high renders(turning it down make no difference in the framerate), view distance around 30 or so, detail distance a bit higher, traffic on 50, shadows at 6.

 

Oh, and the piracy remarks were directed at Rockstar, not you.

 

And I do read the comments under torrents, and usually it saves me from downloading something that doesn't run, but most importantly, I check that a) it's scene, b) it's not nuked and c) doesn't have crippling issues. Usually that means checking a forum like this and a couple of reviews.

[abottig]

 

RedAero:

 

I appreciate your feedback.

 

However, I believe that your bottleneck in this case is you CPU. Try turning down the settings that are the hardest on your cpu: detail distance, shadows, traffic density, and rendering. i hope that helps.

 

i've heard a lot of x2 users with decent ram and graphics cards complaining about low fps. from what i've heard it runs best (so far, patches willing) on a core 2 duo. even quad core users are getting slower performance. also try shutting off any power saving or virtualization features in your bios. rockstar mentioned that this could inhibit cpu speeds during play.

 

unfortunately these are the steps we need to take before the proper patches.

 

 

but how have i contributed to piracy? the reason that i downloaded the crack before i purchased was because of all the negative stuff being said here. i honestly didn't think it would work. but, just as is always the case, the loud minority were wrong.

 

think about it; when you download a torrent do you read the comments? most of them are from people screaming "it doesnt work!" or "its fake!" you ignore them because you know what's a proper release and what's not. most users simply don't get it.

My CPU could be a bottleneck, but in no way should it be. It's only 200MHz under yours, and I could OC it a bit more to reach those speeds, but I won't bother, since it does not help at all. An X2 @ 3GHz should run just about anything decently, but it can't run a game that looks old on release day. And I don't run the game maxed out: [email protected], med textures, high renders(turning it down make no difference in the framerate), view distance around 30 or so, detail distance a bit higher, traffic on 50, shadows at 6.

 

Oh, and the piracy remarks were directed at Rockstar, not you.

 

And I do read the comments under torrents, and usually it saves me from downloading something that doesn't run, but most importantly, I check that a) it's scene, b) it's not nuked and c) doesn't have crippling issues. Usually that means checking a forum like this and a couple of reviews.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1996946,00.asp

 

core 2 e6600 vs x2 5000+

 

look how many frames the core 2 gets over the x2 in half-life and battlefield. that's the most telling when compared to gtaiv

Edited December 13, 2008 by abottig

[Mike2k4]

I find myself crying out in frustration; a very rare thing, trust me. I've read through this topic like the final HP book, and it really is getting nowhere. Abbotig, you say one thing somewhere, then another somewhere else, sometimes your sarcasm is so "incredible" that it doesn't seem like sarcasm at all and Still you basically defend R* by implying its "most PC users' faults", rather than the common and, if I might be so bold, true conclusion that R* - this one time - didn't quite deliver what we were hoping for.

 

(I find myself repeating the next part a lot in my posts):

 

OK, OK, yes I know it's only been a week and a half since release, but they can't have spent seven months working on this and then allow it to go worldwide.

 

I have a lot of respect for R*, having admired their work and played their games for many years now, and I can only hope they correct the PC version of IV before they start losing customers. I would hate for their company to dwindle, I really would.

[RooseveltRB]

reading this post, made me feel more hatred for R *, it is good to know that if someone is confronted with the followers of R *, a Rockstar only interested in the money they earn with gta 4, more companies start to follow that if interested in players not on the money they earn, thank you for this post

[bp2018]

@illuminati:

 

if you don't buy r* products then why are you here?

 

@bp2018:

 

give it up. i already proved your utter incompetence in this post:

http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtop...st&p=1058751479

First of all you didn't prove my utter incompetence as you don't seem to understand what a graphics card is even for, if rockstar said that RENDERING is done CPU side, that smells of a bad port, don't you think?

 

But no instead you prefer to sit here like a jackass and pretend its everyones fault because they don't have 6ghz cpu's overclocked to 12ghz so they can run all the rendering through a software wrapper.

 

Just because you "don't buy prebuilt pcs" and "do a little research on parts" that doesn't make you special, you don't seem to be very literate on these subjects actually, yes you cna overclock your CPU... big deal, so you can swap a graphcis card over... OH NOES, but the fact remains you can't see poor CPU optimisation when it slaps you in the face.

 

Yes its a CPU bottleneck, THATS NOT THE ISSUE, the game was designed for "3 year old computers" yet even Quad cores are an apparent bottleneck also and only core i7 computers dont seem to be having issues, yet even they are only just pushing 80fps in the benchmark, which we all know to be utterly useless.

 

How can you possibly sit there and blame everyone that their pc is utterly crap or not looked after and not admit that the CPU use in this game is ridiculous, get over yourself jackass.

 

As for "making me look stupid" you havn't done anything but contradict yourself, and then use "sarcasm" using text in ways that don't even seem sarcastic and expect people to realise this, please realise we can't see you being sarcastic through text and try to do a little more research on things in the future instead of assuming you know how it works because you can overclock....

 

Yes the Xbox 360 has a tricore cpu, yes the ps3 has the cell, but the game ONLY USES THREE CORES, so the cell processor isn't being fully used, nor is it even that powerful by todays standards, its just a multicore CPU which by todays standards is nothing special.

 

If the consoles can get a reasonably good FPS on those, why is the pc CPU use through the roof?

 

POOR OPTIMISATION.

[abottig]

where was my sarcasm misplaced? in the title? im not really calling r* evil. that was sarcasm.

 

as for any other sarcasms you didn't pick up on: let me clarify, i stick to the OP. anything you read were i may slam r* or the game is complete sarcasm.

 

bp2018:

 

are you admitting that the cpu DOES handle rendering? a moment ago you were flaming me for saying it does(it really does). and AGAIN, for the third or fourth time now bp, i do not suggest that everyone overclock. thats ridiculous. i suggest that those who have the time and patience overclock if they have the right equipment. seriously, i have repeated that to you multiple times already.

 

bp you claim that i am not "literate" on the subject of building a pc? i have 5 years experience as a tech for two of the largest electronics retailers in America, including experience selling computers. i've built, repaired, and optimized more computers than i could ever count.

 

what are your specs bp? care to discuss them in depth? i bet you dont know jack sh*t about your own pc.

 

EDIT:

i7's arent the only pc's that can run the game bp. that is utterly false.

[bp2018]

where was my sarcasm misplaced? in the title? im not really calling r* evil. that was sarcasm.

 

as for any other sarcasms you didn't pick up on: let me clarify, i stick to the OP. anything you read were i may slam r* or the game is complete sarcasm.

 

bp2018:

 

are you admitting that the cpu DOES handle rendering? a moment ago you were flaming me for saying it does(it really does). and AGAIN, for the third or fourth time now bp, i do not suggest that everyone overclock. thats ridiculous. i suggest that those who have the time and patience overclock if they have the right equipment. seriously, i have repeated that to you multiple times already.

 

bp you claim that i am not "literate" on the subject of building a pc? i have 5 years experience as a tech for two of the largest electronics retailers in America, including experience selling computers. i've built, repaired, and optimized more computers than i could ever count.

 

what are your specs bp? care to discuss them in depth? i bet you dont know jack sh*t about your own pc.

 

EDIT:

i7's arent the only pc's that can run the game bp. that is utterly false.

you REALLY have a problem reading don't you.

 

I said IF the CPU handles rendering then its a sign of a poor port.

 

Again as for overclocking, people SHOULDN'T HAVE TO IF IT WAS DESIGNED FOR 3 YEAR OLD COMPUTERS.

 

As for i7's being the only ones capable of playing well, again YOU DIDN'T READ CORRECTLY, I said they are the only ones getting proper performance, and even then they are not getting what they should be when coupled with the best gaphics cards available.

 

You really need to start reading posts correctly and not seeing what you want to see in order to try to act above everyone else.

 

As for saying what experience you have, anyone can do that, hell, I work at NASA developing new rocket systems for intersteller travel, and even then our computers are bottlenecked by this port.

[abottig]

where was my sarcasm misplaced? in the title? im not really calling r* evil. that was sarcasm.

 

as for any other sarcasms you didn't pick up on: let me clarify, i stick to the OP. anything you read were i may slam r* or the game is complete sarcasm.

 

bp2018:

 

are you admitting that the cpu DOES handle rendering? a moment ago you were flaming me for saying it does(it really does). and AGAIN, for the third or fourth time now bp, i do not suggest that everyone overclock. thats ridiculous. i suggest that those who have the time and patience overclock if they have the right equipment. seriously, i have repeated that to you multiple times already.

 

bp you claim that i am not "literate" on the subject of building a pc? i have 5 years experience as a tech for two of the largest electronics retailers in America, including experience selling computers. i've built, repaired, and optimized more computers than i could ever count.

 

what are your specs bp? care to discuss them in depth? i bet you dont know jack sh*t about your own pc.

 

EDIT:

i7's arent the only pc's that can run the game bp. that is utterly false.

you REALLY have a problem reading don't you.

 

I said IF the CPU handles rendering then its a sign of a poor port.

 

Again as for overclocking, people SHOULDN'T HAVE TO IF IT WAS DESIGNED FOR 3 YEAR OLD COMPUTERS.

 

As for i7's being the only ones capable of playing well, again YOU DIDN'T READ CORRECTLY, I said they are the only ones getting proper performance, and even then they are not getting what they should be when coupled with the best gaphics cards available.

 

You really need to start reading posts correctly and not seeing what you want to see in order to try to act above everyone else.

 

As for saying what experience you have, anyone can do that, hell, I work at NASA developing new rocket systems for intersteller travel, and even then our computers are bottlenecked by this port.

"IF" the cpu handles rendering? it does. let me teach you something here: the cpu handles rendering(not to mention shadows, traffic, and distance detail) in GTAIV. just a few posts ago you slammed me saying that it was a "crock of sh*t." have you finally learned this?

 

and AGAIN: i7's are NOT the only ones playing well. i do not have an i7, yet i still get near 40fps. in fact, my pc is cheap; around the $600 range. also, read the threads from people who are running it smoothly. there are plenty of happy gamers who are using core 2 duo's--not i7's.

 

also, AGAIN: im not saying everyone should overclock. however those who have the means SHOULD. it's a safe and easy way to get added performance. if you disagree that overclocking is safe and easy using the correct components, which it seems you do, then you really need to pick a new topic to flame. overclocking has entered the mainstream in an age of moderately priced aftermarket parts and the ability of processors(like the core 2) to overclock substantially higher than stock speeds(e.g. +33% clock, +50% fsb), while maintaining at or near stock voltages and temperatures.

 

and ill ask this AGAIN: do you care to discuss your system specs? no? why not? because you really are clueless? yes you are, and i doubt you will EVER answer this question. have you ever even opened a pc?

 

[Vicetopia]

 

i do not have an i7, yet i still get near 40fps. in fact, my pc is cheap; around the $600 range.

You mean this?

 

 

38fps

1600x900

med textures

highest rendering

33 view

max detail

max traffic

max shadows

 

 

Let me guess, 38fps is your benchmark score?

Looking at the rest of your settings, I'd say in the actual game you spend most of your time around 20fps, usually lower.

Edited December 14, 2008 by Vicetopia

[abottig]

i do not have an i7, yet i still get near 40fps. in fact, my pc is cheap; around the $600 range.

You mean this?

 

 

38fps

1600x900

med textures

highest rendering

33 view

max detail

max traffic

max shadows

 

 

Let me guess, 38fps is your benchmark score?

Looking at the rest of your settings, I'd say in the actual game you spend most of your time around 20fps, usually lower.

no, actually not.

 

i know what i'm doing. the game runs very, very well. better than i thought it would.

 

i can't wait to upgrade my card and get even better performance.

[Vicetopia]

Let's see some screenshots with FPS overlay.

And no staring at walls. And don't lower your settings to cheat, either.

[fluidz]

Good post.. straight forward non biased info.. Just how it should be written. Bravo