Why GTAIV doesn't work

[Vicetopia]

 

Dude, I have it running at 32FPS on my system, which i consider pretty good considering most people are getting no more than 20FPS. Its just that 32FPS is not good enough. Basicly since it runs at 30FPS on an Xbox360, i payed an extra £800 for 2FPS? WTF??? While i agree that alot of people dont actualy understand their hardware, I do, and IMO 32FPS is not good enough on a £1000 PC!

You probably have a higher resolution, higher graphics settings, and the best part is you can push "P" to turn off that lame blur.

 

edit;

Oh but I agree with your point, the game should run better than it currently is.

But it's still better than the consoles.

[abottig]

Dude, I have it running at 32FPS on my system, which i consider pretty good considering most people are getting no more than 20FPS. Its just that 32FPS is not good enough. Basicly since it runs at 30FPS on an Xbox360, i payed an extra £800 for 2FPS? WTF??? While i agree that alot of people dont actualy understand their hardware, I do, and IMO 32FPS is not good enough on a £1000 PC!

+2fps and... more draw distance, distance detail, higher rendering, WAY more traffic, video editor, future mods, independence fm, etc...

 

also, who knows what the patches will bring? increased frames? more graphic options like ped density?

 

i couldn't be happier.

[Mike2k4]

Can this be locked now?

 

R* Toronto released an unfinished game, apparently (i.e. according to the OP) its the consumer's fault, the OP's taking little notice of the poll on the GTA4.net homepage.

 

In a nutshell, he says that because our PCs are not good enough, we cannot run IV. Well, the game's minimum specifications are not exactly world-class, so how can so many people with specs far exceeding those R* published be having problems?

 

Conclusion: brilliant game, poorly optimised, bad port, patch might help, doubt it will sort every big issue, paid £25 for a broken/unfinished game, OP needs to see this.

[abottig]

 

Can this be locked now?

 

R* Toronto released an unfinished game, apparently (i.e. according to the OP) its the consumer's fault, the OP's taking little notice of the poll on the GTA4.net homepage.

 

In a nutshell, he says that because our PCs are not good enough, we cannot run IV. Well, the game's minimum specifications are not exactly world-class, so how can so many people with specs far exceeding those R* published be having problems?

 

Conclusion: brilliant game, poorly optimised, bad port, patch might help, doubt it will sort every big issue, paid £25 for a broken/unfinished game, OP needs to see this.

the poll means absolutely nothing. as i pointed out a little earlier, most pc users are clueless.

 

for example; visit any website that is hosting a popular file or program and read the comments. most of the time almost all the comments are from people screaming, "its fake!!!111" or "it doesnt work!!"

 

if you were to take that at face value, you would conclude that there are major issues with that particular file or program. however, this is usually far from the truth. people either lack the requirements or the knowledge to make it work.

 

again, like i said in a couple posts back(scroll up a bit), i have a lot of experience working directly with end-users in their home. i've seen first hand just how clueless people are. even those who have sick systems, or have been using computers for years.

 

 

...also, i never said that r* released an unfinished game.

Edited December 12, 2008 by abottig

[Kurgen]

 

the poll means absolutely nothing. as i pointed out a little earlier, most pc users are clueless.

 

Even if that was true (and I'm not here to persuade anyone either way) all it means, if I follow your rationale, is that a certain percentage of those who voted are "clueless" when it comes to understanding their PCs. A certain percentage of each and every category in the poll. I'll let you "do the math", abottig.

[abottig]

 

the poll means absolutely nothing. as i pointed out a little earlier, most pc users are clueless.

 

Even if that was true (and I'm not here to persuade anyone either way) all it means, if I follow your rationale, is that a certain percentage of those who voted are "clueless" when it comes to understanding their PCs. A certain percentage of each and every category in the poll. I'll let you "do the math", abottig.

yes. that's correct. i'm not saying everyone who has it running must be a computer whiz, nor am i suggesting that everyone who can't is clueless. what i am saying is that there are LOTS of clueless users out there, and i would never draw any conclusions based on a poll that is found on a very popular site.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2008 by abottig

[Mike2k4]

Can this be locked now?

 

R* Toronto released an unfinished game, apparently (i.e. according to the OP) its the consumer's fault, the OP's taking little notice of the poll on the GTA4.net homepage.

 

In a nutshell, he says that because our PCs are not good enough, we cannot run IV. Well, the game's minimum specifications are not exactly world-class, so how can so many people with specs far exceeding those R* published be having problems?

 

Conclusion: brilliant game, poorly optimised, bad port, patch might help, doubt it will sort every big issue, paid £25 for a broken/unfinished game, OP needs to see this.

the poll means absolutely nothing. as i pointed out a little earlier, most pc users are clueless.

 

for example; visit any website that is hosting a popular file or program and read the comments. most of the time almost all the comments are from people screaming, "its fake!!!111" or "it doesnt work!!"

 

if you were to take that at face value, you would conclude that there are major issues with that particular file or program. however, this is usually far from the truth. people either lack the requirements or the knowledge to make it work.

 

again, like i said in a couple posts back(scroll up a bit), i have a lot of experience working directly with end-users in their home. i've seen first hand just how clueless people are. even those who have sick systems, or have been using computers for years.

 

 

...also, i never said that r* released an unfinished game.

I never said you did say that R* had released an unfinished game ... the comma split the sentence up and, if you'd read it properly, I said "apparently (i.e. according to the OP) its the consumer's fault". Sorry if it was a little difficult to see that they were two separate sections of the same sentence.

 

Indeed, the fact I'm posting at all is to try and understand why you're defending R*'s horrible release. I would never dream of suggesting you'd have said that.

[UGLYNERDMAN]

the reality GTA is a bad port with too many bugs and memory leak issues. No real 64 bit support like it claims.

 

people with great hardware are having problems with it. these 10s of thousands of people with good and great comps cant all be having bad hardware.

 

This is like Age of Conan all over again for me.

[JBski]

You guys that have problems are just pissed that your PC kung-fu is weak.

 

The game is still more than enjoyable even at 30 fps

 

I'm running vista with all kinds of crap going on in the background, and am still using the 180.43 drivers.

 

Average FPS: 34.61

Duration: 37.15 sec

CPU Usage: 96%

System memory usage: 55%

Video memory usage: 97%

 

Graphics Settings

Video Mode: 1600 x 1200 (60 Hz)

Texture Quality: Medium

Render Quality: High

View Distance: 20

Detail Distance: 30

 

Hardware

Microsoft® Windows Vista" Home Premium

Service Pack 1

Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT

Video Driver version: 180.43

Audio Adapter: Speakers (2- Realtek High Definition Audio)

AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5400+

[Vicetopia]

34fps on the benchmark is around 20fps in the game.

[abottig]

34fps on the benchmark is around 20fps in the game.

says who?

[JBski]

34fps on the benchmark is around 20fps in the game.

You don't get smooth game play at 20 fps...

 

And seriously, my rig isn't a power house by any means. If you can't turn the details down to get a playable framerate, then you should just stick to the console version n00b.

[abottig]

34fps on the benchmark is around 20fps in the game.

You don't get smooth game play at 20 fps...

 

And seriously, my rig isn't a power house by any means. If you can't turn the details down to get a playable framerate, then you should just stick to the console version n00b.

don't start telling these people that you can run the game. and by all means, don't start telling them that it looks fantastic. you'll be branded a liar because everyone knows that this game is broken and doesn't work at all, for anyone, anywhere.

 

 

but seriously,

i see you've met vicetopia. he has a great habit of flaming, and kicking puppies.

 

[Vicetopia]

All I said was the benchmark fps doesn't match actual gameplay fps.

 

What did I say about "running the game"?

What did I say about "turning down settings"?

What did I say about "I bet your game looks ugly"?

 

This is ridiculous, you people need to calm the f*ck down and stop trying to pick fights with everyone.

[bp2018]

So let me get this straight, only people who are technically savvy should be allowed to play the game?

 

Everyone on a pc should know how to search for BETA drivers?

 

Not everyone has internet at home, so how do they get these drivers and other things? they cant continue to go back and forth getting them and trying them out, thats absurd.

 

Further more saying we should all overclock is downright stupid, overclocking requires not only money to keep the parts cool, but also damages and shortens the life of the parts, now yes it might not do any damage, but how long does it take to successfully overclock a CPU? hmm? if you were tech savvy as you seem to be trying to make out you are, then you would know it can take several days to do so, as you have to incrementally up the speed and then run a good test for 4 - 5 hours to check if its completely stable.

 

Do you really think the average pc user should be doing this because a game isnt running as intended?

 

Is the average pc user stupid because they cant or wont do this?

 

What you are basically saying in your OP is that the game wont run because people are exceeding their hardware limitations.... even though they are well over the recommended in most case... and that they should continue to overclock this hardware and shorten its life to get this game running, which even after overclocking a 3ghz cpu to a 4.5ghz cpu still has no effect on the speed at which the game runs.

 

Then you try to explain to us that knowing how a bios works is "advanced" when for most pc users who shouldnt be touching it, it might seem that way, but to the people here who generally know how to get things done, the bios is nothing more than another layer of settings, it is far from advanced, and as for overclocking none of that is even relevant to game performance in most cases, so what HAVE you added to the community? flaming and acting like your above everyone else? way to go.

[3dwizard]

 

i just so happen to be in the niche market that this game(pc version) was made for. i'm a pc enthusiast. you say elitist because you just don't get it.

Bhahaha, you are a funny kid! I must say I had the patience to read all the posts in this topic till this one though...

I was more or less sure that you were trying to drive this topic towards an arrogant boasting of your rig in trollish way.

I lnoticed your style of trying to subliminally piss off people that can't run the game on their pc's and at the same time trying to give everybody the idea that this game is made only for a select group of VIP's that coincidentally you are part of.

Now that this is cleared out,I must say that you are the reason pc fanboys are seen as lame by some people.

 

I am sorry that I must brake this to you but if you think that with that piece of sh*t rig that you have in your sig, you have the right to call yourself a pc enthusiast that happens to be in the niche market that gta4 was made for, then you are truly ignorant and plain stupid!

If you truly consider that pc, a powerful gaming pc for 2008-2009 then you are so incurably stupid.

I suggest you keep quiet and stop making a fool out of yourself, as you don't see other people that have pc's 10 times faster than yours, bragging in newly created topics like this one.

You are pathetic

Edited December 13, 2008 by Mr.Deviance

[Mike2k4]

34fps on the benchmark is around 20fps in the game.

You don't get smooth game play at 20 fps...

 

And seriously, my rig isn't a power house by any means. If you can't turn the details down to get a playable framerate, then you should just stick to the console version n00b.

don't start telling these people that you can run the game. and by all means, don't start telling them that it looks fantastic. you'll be branded a liar because everyone knows that this game is broken and doesn't work at all, for anyone, anywhere.

 

 

but seriously,

i see you've met vicetopia. he has a great habit of flaming, and kicking puppies.

"don't start telling these people that you can run the game. and by all means, don't start telling them that it looks fantastic. you'll be branded a liar because everyone knows that this game is broken and doesn't work at all, for anyone, anywhere."

 

I say, abottig, you've changed your tune.

 

Now suddenly it's a broken game, having sparked up a thread telling us all how it's our PCs' lack of performance.

Could simply be a change of heart. Have a if so.

[abottig]

^^^Mike2k4, that was sarcasm. i laid it on pretty thick bro.

 

 

So let me get this straight, only people who are technically savvy should be allowed to play the game?

 

Everyone on a pc should know how to search for BETA drivers?

 

Not everyone has internet at home, so how do they get these drivers and other things? they cant continue to go back and forth getting them and trying them out, thats absurd.

 

Further more saying we should all overclock is downright stupid, overclocking requires not only money to keep the parts cool, but also damages and shortens the life of the parts, now yes it might not do any damage, but how long does it take to successfully overclock a CPU? hmm? if you were tech savvy as you seem to be trying to make out you are, then you would know it can take several days to do so, as you have to incrementally up the speed and then run a good test for 4 - 5 hours to check if its completely stable.

 

Do you really think the average pc user should be doing this because a game isnt running as intended?

 

Is the average pc user stupid because they cant or wont do this?

 

What you are basically saying in your OP is that the game wont run because people are exceeding their hardware limitations.... even though they are well over the recommended in most case... and that they should continue to overclock this hardware and shorten its life to get this game running, which even after overclocking a 3ghz cpu to a 4.5ghz cpu still has no effect on the speed at which the game runs.

 

Then you try to explain to us that knowing how a bios works is "advanced" when for most pc users who shouldnt be touching it, it might seem that way, but to the people here who generally know how to get things done, the bios is nothing more than another layer of settings, it is far from advanced, and as for overclocking none of that is even relevant to game performance in most cases, so what HAVE you added to the community? flaming and acting like your above everyone else? way to go.

YOU, are the biggest moron i have encountered so far. the guy who called me a "fag" has more intelligence than you. read on:

 

do you know what a driver is? do you know what beta means? if not, then yes, i am suggesting that you should not play gta4 on your pc. please stick to console.

 

yes, i know what overclocking entails. i run my e6600 at 3.2 w/1600fsb at stock voltages. ram @ 1066mhz 5-5-5-15 timings. do you want to see the cpu-z screens? stable in occt for 24+ hours. same with two instances of prime95. i run superpi 1m in 16 seconds. moron. btw, it takes way more than 4-5 hours to determine stability. more like 24 buddy. and damage? have you ever overclocked anything? im getting these speeds at stock 1.35 vcore, and stock 2.2vram. if you like i'll teach you how to overclock.

 

no. the average use should not overclock because the average user doesnt have the time, patience, or desire to do it. but for those who wish to, it is VERY simple to learn, and very easy to do with the right components.

 

how do you know that: "people are exceeding their hardware limitations. even though they are well over the recommended in most cases."??? you just pulled that statement directly from your ass. you just said that most users have hardware that is better than the minimum required. that is the most ridiculous statement so far.

 

also, the CPU has a TREMENDOUS effect on this game. shadows, rendering, traffic density, and detail distance all rely HEAVILY on your CPU.

 

and, yes, for most users accessing the bios is advanced. most users have never done it, and it can be very intimidating the first time you start to poke through it on a machine that you spent $1000 on. and what the f*ck do you mean "another layer of settings?"

dude, you just made yourself sound so f*ckin stupid.

Edited December 13, 2008 by abottig

[abottig]

 

i just so happen to be in the niche market that this game(pc version) was made for. i'm a pc enthusiast. you say elitist because you just don't get it.

Bhahaha, you are a funny kid! I must say I had the patience to read all the posts in this topic till this one though...

I was more or less sure that you were trying to drive this topic towards an arrogant boasting of your rig in trollish way.

I lnoticed your style of trying to subliminally piss off people that can't run the game on their pc's and at the same time trying to give everybody the idea that this game is made only for a select group of VIP's that coincidentally you are part of.

Now that this is cleared out,I must say that you are the reason pc fanboys are seen as lame by some people.

 

I am sorry that I must brake this to you but if you think that with that piece of sh*t rig that you have in your sig, you have the right to call yourself a pc enthusiast that happens to be in the niche market that gta4 was made for, then you are truly ignorant and plain stupid!

If you truly consider that pc, a powerful gaming pc for 2008-2009 then you are so incurably stupid.

I suggest you keep quiet and stop making a fool out of yourself, as you don't see other people that have pc's 10 times faster than yours, bragging in newly created topics like this one.

You are pathetic

 

i am an enthusiast. i don't by the hottest sh*t out there. i drool over it, while i spend my money on diapers for my daughter.

 

i buy moderately priced components, on sale, and overclock to get the most out of my investment.

 

i have repeated myself so many times in this thread that my rig is decent at best. anyone who has been in the market for parts knows that. why do you little flamers keep insisting that i'm saying that when i'm clearly not? if you're hearing it "subliminally" like you said, you must be really insecure.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2008 by abottig

[Vicetopia]

I don't know what to do.

I agree with half the things abottig says, but the other half make me want to punch him in the face!

[abottig]

I don't know what to do.

I agree with half the things abottig says, but the other half make me want to punch him in the face!

the feeling is mutual

 

some of your posts are funny and/or insightful. while some of them make me want to lash out irrationally.

[bp2018]

^^^Mike2k4, that was sarcasm. i laid it on pretty thick bro.

 

 

So let me get this straight, only people who are technically savvy should be allowed to play the game?

 

Everyone on a pc should know how to search for BETA drivers?

 

Not everyone has internet at home, so how do they get these drivers and other things? they cant continue to go back and forth getting them and trying them out, thats absurd.

 

Further more saying we should all overclock is downright stupid, overclocking requires not only money to keep the parts cool, but also damages and shortens the life of the parts, now yes it might not do any damage, but how long does it take to successfully overclock a CPU? hmm? if you were tech savvy as you seem to be trying to make out you are, then you would know it can take several days to do so, as you have to incrementally up the speed and then run a good test for 4 - 5 hours to check if its completely stable.

 

Do you really think the average pc user should be doing this because a game isnt running as intended?

 

Is the average pc user stupid because they cant or wont do this?

 

What you are basically saying in your OP is that the game wont run because people are exceeding their hardware limitations.... even though they are well over the recommended in most case... and that they should continue to overclock this hardware and shorten its life to get this game running, which even after overclocking a 3ghz cpu to a 4.5ghz cpu still has no effect on the speed at which the game runs.

 

Then you try to explain to us that knowing how a bios works is "advanced" when for most pc users who shouldnt be touching it, it might seem that way, but to the people here who generally know how to get things done, the bios is nothing more than another layer of settings, it is far from advanced, and as for overclocking none of that is even relevant to game performance in most cases, so what HAVE you added to the community? flaming and acting like your above everyone else? way to go.

YOU, are the biggest moron i have encountered so far. the guy who called me a "fag" has more intelligence than you. read on:

 

do you know what a driver is? do you know what beta means? if not, then yes, i am suggesting that you should not play gta4 on your pc. please stick to console.

 

yes, i know what overclocking entails. i run my e6600 at 3.2 w/1600fsb at stock voltages. ram @ 1066mhz 5-5-5-15 timings. do you want to see the cpu-z screens? stable in occt for 24+ hours. same with two instances of prime95. i run superpi 1m in 16 seconds. moron. btw, it takes way more than 4-5 hours to determine stability. more like 24 buddy. and damage? have you ever overclocked anything? im getting these speeds at stock 1.35 vcore, and stock 2.2vram. if you like i'll teach you how to overclock.

 

no. the average use should not overclock because the average user doesnt have the time, patience, or desire to do it. but for those who wish to, it is VERY simple to learn, and very easy to do with the right components.

 

how do you know that: "people are exceeding their hardware limitations. even though they are well over the recommended in most cases."??? you just pulled that statement directly from your ass. you just said that most users have hardware that is better than the minimum required. that is the most ridiculous statement so far.

 

also, the CPU has a TREMENDOUS effect on this game. shadows, rendering, traffic density, and detail distance all rely HEAVILY on your CPU.

 

and, yes, for most users accessing the bios is advanced. most users have never done it, and it can be very intimidating the first time you start to poke through it on a machine that you spent $1000 on. and what the f*ck do you mean "another layer of settings?"

dude, you just made yourself sound so f*ckin stupid.

I know what a driver and a BETA are, its called explaining to you how your point of view is stupid, and expecting people to know what they are is downright moronic, PC's are not populated by "enthusiasts" otherwise there wouldn't be millions of pc gamers, if you still think those millions are enthusiasts, how can they be if what they are doing is considered the "norm" in your eyes.

 

So you know how to overclock good for you buddy, you do realise that if cpu's were designed to be easily overclocked by most end users they would simply give you a button to automatically increase to stable speeds, but since they dont, stop trying to cram it down peoples throats.

 

As for pulling a statement directly out of my ass, try having people MAXING OUT THE GAME on moderately average computers, then explaining that it runs slow, if you have been reading on this forum you would relaise people have been doing this, if not, I suggest you do some research fo your own.

 

As for the CPU affecting shadows, rendering and detail distance, thats a crock of sh*t, they should be done on the GPU not the CPU, learn computers mr so called code monkey.

 

And I already said that saying the bios is advanced in here is stupid as most of us know how to operate a bios fluently, so trying to act like you know your thing because you can go into a bios which IS just another set of options without the fancy GUI's then thats just plain moronic.

 

Please, take a computer course for dummys and get off that high horse, and dont even think of quoting me again and saying my opinions are invalid because you can't read or comprehend basic english.

[abottig]

@bp2018:

 

 

 

PC's are not populated by "enthusiasts" otherwise there wouldn't be millions of pc gamers, if you still think those millions are enthusiasts, how can they be if what they are doing is considered the "norm" in your eyes.

 

there are millions of enthusiasts. those who aren't have plenty of options on console.

 

So you know how to overclock good for you buddy, you do realise that if cpu's were designed to be easily overclocked by most end users they would simply give you a button to automatically increase to stable speeds, but since they dont, stop trying to cram it down peoples throats.

 

ill repeat myself again. overclocking is NOT for everyone. and it IS very easy with the right components. ever heard of core 2 duo? they are very easy to overclock. ever been to a pc part store? almost every moderate-high priced item mentions overclocking. i suggest you stop talking about this because you're out of you element. please, google overclocking. there are an infinite amount of examples to prove my point and make you look stupid. and btw, there IS a button that you can press right in windows that will give you a stable overclock depending on your motherboard; for me it's called EasyTune6. you f*cking moron.

 

 

 

As for the CPU affecting shadows, rendering and detail distance, thats a crock of sh*t, they should be done on the GPU not the CPU, learn computers mr so called code monkey.

 

do you know anything at all about this port? no you don't. r* CONFIRMED that the cpu handles thses things. btw. its common knowledge by now. and i am not a code monkey. unless you count html.

 

 

 

And I already said that saying the bios is advanced in here is stupid as most of us know how to operate a bios fluently, so trying to act like you know your thing because you can go into a bios which IS just another set of options without the fancy GUI's then thats just plain moronic.

 

 

i guarantee you most users here don't fully understand their bios, let alone what it is.

 

honestly you're speaking out of your ass. you've made it quite clear that you know nothing about the industry, the market, or the end-user

as a segment or as a whole.

 

please stop.

Edited December 13, 2008 by abottig

[bp2018]

"dude just dont post in that thread. you're way out of your element here. im makin you look foolish. "

 

LOL this guys hilarious isn't he, trying to act like an enthusiast when all he is is another standard overclocker, get over yourself.

 

Kids these days, soon as they discover an overclocking website they think they know how things work.

[illuminati2025]

Its amusing that abottig continues to try to make his public image that he is a "Leet PC enthuasiast"

 

 

Actually, he's just a forum troll and a moronic jackass with serious self-esteem issues.

[Vicetopia]

Actually, he's just a forum troll and a moronic jackass with serious self-esteem issues.

It's quite clear at this point he is indeed a troll.

I think he saw the forums, realized how many haters were on here, and decided to contradict everything they were saying in every way possible.

 

The ultimate troll.

[Engioc]

I disagree totally, R* do not benefit from you going out buying new hardware. Their goal is to make a game that the most amount of people can play so they can sell the most amount of copies and get rich. Why would they or any other game company bother making games just to force you in to upgrading, where is the benefit for them?? I don't see any reason, and I do see reasons why they wouldn't.

[illuminati2025]

 

 

 

@Above:

 

 

 

All I'm going to say to someone who is compellted to spend time ridiculing others for not having an advanced understanding of computer hardware......

 

 

 

Needs psychotherapy.

 

 

 

He sounds like a 10th grader whose high school happened to have an A+ certification course. Now he props up his poor self-image by convincing himself that he is superior to others because of his personal ideas about PC components. A classic example of an inferiority complex.

 

 

 

Get help dude. I'm serious. I feel for you man

Edited December 13, 2008 by illuminati2025

[Engioc]

was it good for you??

[illuminati2025]

was it good for you??

Yeah, I can't wait to get reamed up the ass. Rape me Rockstar. OH!! OH YEAH!!! OHHH

 

 

Let's go rape a petting zoo and stop by michael jackson's and peewee hermin's on the way back, kthxbye