Overclocking my CPU for this. Worth it?

[LittleMe]

 

If your CPU is 30c at 3ghz is it faster than if it is 40c and 3ghz?

I have to say yes to that.

 

 

Where is your data to support that claim? 0.01 percent is not worth mentioning. A cpu at 30c will computationally perform significantly better than at 40c? I call bs, but I've been mistaken before. I don't recall seeing performance graphs to back that claim in the years of computer and cpu reviews I've read.

 

If the performance benefit isn't worth mentioning, then its certainly not worth arguing about so I presume you are saying it is. Enlighten us.

[syk3d]

I overclocked my E6600 (2.4Ghz) to 3Ghz just yesterday, and managed to squeeze about 5fps out of the game.

that's a 200-300 dollar processor that you are risking damage to for 5 fps ?

 

are you nuts????

Damage? Hardly. Temps are fine. I'm not risking damage. 5fps is a lot in real gameplay.

[TruXter]

 

 

If your CPU is 30c at 3ghz is it faster than if it is 40c and 3ghz?

I have to say yes to that.

 

 

Where is your data to support that claim? 0.01 percent is not worth mentioning. A cpu at 30c will computationally perform significantly better than at 40c? I call bs, but I've been mistaken before. I don't recall seeing performance graphs to back that claim in the years of computer and cpu reviews I've read.

 

If the performance benefit isn't worth mentioning, then its certainly not worth arguing about so I presume you are saying it is. Enlighten us.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/category/cpu_cooling/

 

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An old discussion

 

here dude, I have done my study and learning, maybe you should give it a shot.

Edited December 8, 2008 by TruXter

[LittleMe]

 

http://www.overclockersclub.com/category/cpu_cooling/

 

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anotherhugegooglelink

An old discussion

 

here dude, I have done my study and learning, maybe you should give it a shot.

The first link is down. The other links just show general information that cooling is good. Yes cooling your CPU and computer components is good. That's not the question. The question is if cooling your CPU from 40c to 30c will give a significant performance boost. You haven't shown that. (update: reading the last link now)

 

"everything , even mechanical items work better when colder"

 

Not true. You are speaking in absolutes. Many components do work better when warm, despite what you say. Take a car engine for example. It has an optimum operating temperature. (I'm referencing your first reply to me) Even the human body works better when at 98.6 or so degrees. Cool it down to -200f and it will cease functioning.

 

I think you have been reading so many CPU/GPU cooling articles you are starting to think it affects performance directly but it doesn't (siginifcantly). It is only related to performance because the silicon and other materials in the CPU and GPU die have thermal limits and would (if not cool enough) degrade and fry/burn/toast/catch fire.. etc....

[LittleMe]

An old discussion

 

here dude, I have done my study and learning, maybe you should give it a shot.

Okay the last link (which you put in there later, after I was typing my reply) shows no data and just people saying 'yeah it affects performance.' That's just people in a forum who can and do say anything they want. They cite no data. That's not proof or evidence of anything.

 

You take that forum thread as definitive proof?

[TruXter]

 

An old discussion

 

here dude, I have done my study and learning, maybe you should give it a shot.

Okay the last link (which you put in there later, after I was typing my reply) shows no data and just people saying 'yeah it affects performance.' That's just people in a forum who can and do say anything they want. They cite no data. That's not proof or evidence of anything.

 

You take that forum thread as definitive proof?

Actually no

 

it actually reflects this same conversation we are having now. read the last post.

but I actually think that dude is a tard.

 

you do not want to get close to die temp

especially for any length of time.

[Rokz0r]

A lot of games these days use a lot of the video cards processing power, and my question is: What performance difference would I see if I decided to step the Q6600 CPU up from 2.4GHz to 3.0Ghz? I also have a 8800GTX video card and 4GB Ram.

The great thing about those cpu's is.. u can OC them to 3.0ghz right out of the box - yep thats right, no voltage change no nothing and better yet they are stable even with stock air cooling..of course any higher and you will need a better heatsink.

[LittleMe]

 

I overclocked my E6600 (2.4Ghz) to 3Ghz just yesterday, and managed to squeeze about 5fps out of the game.

that's a 200-300 dollar processor that you are risking damage to for 5 fps ?

 

are you nuts????

How do you know he's nuts? He posted no information on his temps or if he did or did not bump his voltage. There's no evidence he's nuts. Are you jumping to conclusions too quickly?

 

He posted positive results from overclocking in the form of 5 extra FPS. Congrats!

 

Overclocking your CPU without bumping voltage is doable and not particularly risky. I have bumped my Intel E8400 from 3ghz to 4ghz and it is operating at the voltage specified as 'safe' on the box. Its not nuts to overclock as long as you are careful. True though, you can fry your CPU if you make a mistake or even if your motherboard puts too much voltage to the CPU because of a bug in your BIOS or something.

 

He's not nuts. Risk taker, sure.

Edited December 8, 2008 by LittleMe

[TruXter]

I overclocked my E6600 (2.4Ghz) to 3Ghz just yesterday, and managed to squeeze about 5fps out of the game.

that's a 200-300 dollar processor that you are risking damage to for 5 fps ?

 

are you nuts????

How do you know he's nuts? He posted no information on his temps or if he did or did not bump his voltage. There's no evidence he's nuts. Are you jumping to conclusions too quickly?

 

Overclocking your CPU without bumping voltage is doable and not particularly risky. I have bumped my Intel E8400 from 3ghz to 4ghz and it is operating at the voltage specified as 'safe' on the box. Its not nuts to overclock as long as you are careful. True though, you can fry your CPU if you make a mistake or even if your motherboard puts too much voltage to the CPU.

 

He's not nuts. Risk taker, sure.

He moved 600 mhz

for 5 frames per second.

[Rokz0r]

Well we are lucky Intel cpu's have thermal throttling built in aren't we? So there goes that theory...

[LittleMe]

He moved 600 mhz

for 5 frames per second.

I bumped 1000mhz for about 6fps Thanks Intel for an awesome dual core!

[MadKilla]

I overclocked my E6600 (2.4Ghz) to 3Ghz just yesterday, and managed to squeeze about 5fps out of the game.

Likewise, I have 3.0Ghz.

 

I have a friend who went upto 3.4GHz and is running stable, with the same processor (E6600)! That's a gain of over 1Ghz!

[Rokz0r]

Yeah in my current machine i have a q9550 and bought it especially for overclocking purposes 2.83 ghz default - a little artic silver 5 a better heatsink a pencil mod for my 780i with just a dash of voltage i was able to clock it to 3.83 ghz with temps of around low 50's to high 40's.

[Muze]

I just overclocked my Q6600 2.4 to 2.8. I notice a slight improvement in this game. I've been checking temps and they stay under 50c while running a game, well within safe limits. My case is designed to be both quiet and cool, with several fans and smart air flow sending heat out the top of the case. My computer desk has a cabinet with fans I installed directly into the wood, one for intake and another for out, to keep a cool flow directly through the machine, which is surrounded by sound proofing against the wood itself (with a hole for each fan). The fans themselves turn on automagically when there's heat and make a little noise which is why I usually keep them unplugged. I will probably do that again when I feel comfortable, keeping my eye on temps.

 

I've had the Q6600 for a year at stock speed. I consider this a free upgrade. Here's the article I used as a basis:

 

http://www.ocia.net/articles/overclockingcore2/page1.shtml

 

When I went higher than 2.8 the computer reset itself to stock speeds. It seems like it could easily go higher, and it's not getting too hot, but I normally never overclock so I'm satisfied with this bump.

[thereisnospoon]

I just overclocked my Q6600 2.4 to 2.8. I notice a slight improvement in this game. I've been checking temps and they stay under 50c while running a game, well within safe limits. My case is designed to be both quiet and cool, with several fans and smart air flow sending heat out the top of the case. My computer desk has a cabinet with fans I installed directly into the wood, one for intake and another for out, to keep a cool flow directly through the machine, which is surrounded by sound proofing against the wood itself (with a hole for each fan). The fans themselves turn on automagically when there's heat and make a little noise which is why I usually keep them unplugged. I will probably do that again when I feel comfortable, keeping my eye on temps.

 

I've had the Q6600 for a year at stock speed. I consider this a free upgrade. Here's the article I used as a basis:

 

http://www.ocia.net/articles/overclockingcore2/page1.shtml

 

When I went higher than 2.8 the computer reset itself to stock speeds. It seems like it could easily go higher, and it's not getting too hot, but I normally never overclock so I'm satisfied with this bump.

Quite the setup you have there for cooling.

[syk3d]

I overclocked my E6600 (2.4Ghz) to 3Ghz just yesterday, and managed to squeeze about 5fps out of the game.

Likewise, I have 3.0Ghz.

 

I have a friend who went upto 3.4GHz and is running stable, with the same processor (E6600)! That's a gain of over 1Ghz!

It's a great CPU for sure. And to the other guy who said I was nuts, no I didn't bump any voltages. I didn't need to. So therefore its a pretty safe overclock. Realistically, if temps were to go too high, then the PC restarts. Simple as that. Hell, I failed a couple of overclocks because of my ram's timings, and thanks to Asus and auto-recovery, all I had to do was power down and restart. So I'm not nuts. I'm barely even a risk taker.

[Chevyboy]

I just overclocked my Q6600 2.4 to 2.8. I notice a slight improvement in this game. I've been checking temps and they stay under 50c while running a game, well within safe limits. My case is designed to be both quiet and cool, with several fans and smart air flow sending heat out the top of the case. My computer desk has a cabinet with fans I installed directly into the wood, one for intake and another for out, to keep a cool flow directly through the machine, which is surrounded by sound proofing against the wood itself (with a hole for each fan). The fans themselves turn on automagically when there's heat and make a little noise which is why I usually keep them unplugged. I will probably do that again when I feel comfortable, keeping my eye on temps.

 

I've had the Q6600 for a year at stock speed. I consider this a free upgrade. Here's the article I used as a basis:

 

http://www.ocia.net/articles/overclockingcore2/page1.shtml

 

When I went higher than 2.8 the computer reset itself to stock speeds. It seems like it could easily go higher, and it's not getting too hot, but I normally never overclock so I'm satisfied with this bump.

Good stuff, the C2 duo's and quads are very nice processors indeed. My "non gaming" rig I was able to bump an E8500 from stock (3.16Ghz) to 3.8Ghz with no voltage increase.

 

Quite the processors indeed

[pinky]

I overclocked my E6600 (2.4Ghz) to 3Ghz just yesterday, and managed to squeeze about 5fps out of the game.

Likewise, I have 3.0Ghz.

 

I have a friend who went upto 3.4GHz and is running stable, with the same processor (E6600)! That's a gain of over 1Ghz!

It's a great CPU for sure. And to the other guy who said I was nuts, no I didn't bump any voltages. I didn't need to. So therefore its a pretty safe overclock. Realistically, if temps were to go too high, then the PC restarts. Simple as that. Hell, I failed a couple of overclocks because of my ram's timings, and thanks to Asus and auto-recovery, all I had to do was power down and restart. So I'm not nuts. I'm barely even a risk taker.

ASUS auto recovery FTW. Used it a few times myself.

The overclock is worth it, do it. Not just for GTA either, you will enjoy a quicker machine altogether.

The voltage stepping isnt that nasty either if you do it bit at a time. Heat is your only enemy so monitor the CPU core temps at all times.

Where I learned it all: http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=79266

[dirty-dog]

On my system, Q6600 and 9600GT, overclocking the CPU didn't increase my fps whatsoever. All it did was lower the CPU usage. In my case a 2.4GHz quad is sufficient to fully stress my GPU at the resolution of 1280x1024 which I use.

[JohnnyK77]

Well my initial clock is 3.0 GHz, and I easily upped it to 3.6 with about 0.05 V increase in vcore.

Air cooling.

Before overclock: 48 idle, 72 full load (OCCT stress testing)

After overclock: 50 idle, 72 full load (OCCT stress testing).

 

I see no problems with overclocking =)

Wow. You might want to check your cooling, because something is definitely not running well there. I have my E8400 at 3.6 and it's at 50° Celcius under full load, high 30s idle. That is with air cooling (Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7, 2*120mm coolers in the case). Heck, even my temp is rather on the high side - I've talked to loads of people who have their 8400 at around 40-45° under full load at that speed.

[Devils Dog]

Hi,

 

Someone advised me I should unclock my ram is this right, or do I just go and overclock the cpu without changing anything ?

[Whytey]

I was thinking about clocking my e6600 over 2.4ghz again just to see if i can get better performance currently i get 30fps with an 8800gtx

[LittleMe]

 

Wow. You might want to check your cooling, because something is definitely not running well there. I have my E8400 at 3.6 and it's at 50° Celcius under full load, high 30s idle. That is with air cooling (Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7, 2*120mm coolers in the case). Heck, even my temp is rather on the high side - I've talked to loads of people who have their 8400 at around 40-45° under full load at that speed.

Your idle temp seems high. Do you know about the E8x00 series having a different temperature variant and thus, many programs read the temp incorrectly? My e8400 idles at 32c @ 4ghz for example using Realtemp. http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/ My peak temps are about 48c. I'm using a different cooler though, Asus Triton 75 with a 1200 rpm 120mm fan and arctic silver 5 paste. My case might have better ventilation with 3 1200mm fans though.

 

Also, when you first put your cooler on, it helps to run the temp high for a minute, then power off the system and let it cool all the way down, and do that a few times and the paste will bond better for doing that, apparently. Not sure about that but I read it somewhere, forget where now.

[camdean]

I overclocked my 2.4Ghz Qaud to, 3.24Ghz and it makes a lot of FPS difference as my GFX card was out performing my CPU, I used overclockers.co.uk forums for help and of course I have an upgraded CPU fan, it was a lot easier than I thought, and the jump in FPS surprised me, although this won't always be the case, it cured my problem but might not cure yours

 

 

Free speed, why not

[pinky]

 

I overclocked my 2.4Ghz Qaud to, 3.24Ghz and it makes a lot of FPS difference as my GFX card was out performing my CPU, I used overclockers.co.uk forums for help and of course I have an upgraded CPU fan, it was a lot easier than I thought, and the jump in FPS surprised me, although this won't always be the case, it cured my problem but might not cure yours

 

 

Free speed, why not 

I agree.

 

@dirty-dog

Certaily made a big difference even going from 3.7 to 4.0 with 1920x1200 resolution for me, saying it deos nothing is not true.

You just aren't clocking it high enough.

[franciszeks]

Yes it's worth it.

 

I've overclocked processor and ram timings and I'm happy with results (although I was hoping my processor would be better... unfortunately without WC 1.53V is maximum - when higher the heat is too big... sh*tty version of E6420, eats too much Volts).

 

My config:

Abit IP35

Core 2 Duo E6420 2.13GHz @ 3,2GHz

OCZ Platinum Dual 2x1 GB 800MHz DDR2 (@ 4-4-4-12)

EVGA GeForce 8800GTS KO ACS3 320MB

 

 

 

Statistics

Average FPS: 47.80

Duration: 37.07 sec

CPU Usage: 89%

System memory usage: 78%

Video memory usage: 100%

 

Graphics Settings

Video Mode: 1280 x 720 (60 Hz)

Texture Quality: Medium

Render Quality: Very High

View Distance: 1

Detail Distance: 75

 

Hardware

Microsoft Windows XP Professional

Dodatek Service Pack 3

Video Adapter: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS

Video Driver version: 180.48

Audio Adapter: Realtek HD Audio output

Intel® Core2 CPU          6420   2.13GHz @ 3,2GHz

 

Unfortunately vram on graphic card is a bottle neck for GTAIV and there is nothing I can do about it. "View Distance" suffers from that reason...

 

Oh, and increase is about +-15fps in GTA.

Edited December 8, 2008 by franciszeks

[ManOWar2]

 

 

If your CPU is 30c at 3ghz is it faster than if it is 40c and 3ghz?

I have to say yes to that.

 

 

Where is your data to support that claim? 0.01 percent is not worth mentioning. A cpu at 30c will computationally perform significantly better than at 40c? I call bs, but I've been mistaken before. I don't recall seeing performance graphs to back that claim in the years of computer and cpu reviews I've read.

 

If the performance benefit isn't worth mentioning, then its certainly not worth arguing about so I presume you are saying it is. Enlighten us.

I have nothing to prove.

 

Go and speak with a doctor in electronic if you dont beleive me. He's going to tell you the same. The cooler your CPU, the better the performance.

 

Period.

 

I do not need internet or any proof for that, I studied electronics, specifically computers.

 

You learn that in your first years btw. I'm not being arrogant, what is arrogant is telling things when you're not sure about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lot of informatician in there, and not enough people studied electronic to really understand that Overclocking a processor do not boost your power as much as you think. Otherway all company would devellop processor already overclocked, what do you think ?

 

Overclocking is only to make things sell more.

 

 

 

What is true is that on a long term basis, overclocked processor will lose performance faster.

 

In the end, your E6600 2.4 (like mine) that you overclock to 3.0GHz will effectively run 3.0GHz couple month and after that the surplus of electricity needed to do it will damage your processor AND your motherboard. It will be functionnal again, but effectivelly, even if it show in windows and the bios that you are running to 3.0 GHZ, if you test your CPU with the proper equipement you will see that it may be even down to less than it was BEFORE you overclock it.

 

Have fun ruining your 300$ processor guys. Thinkings you're running fast while you are not !

 

Only amateur and kids do overclock their processor like that.

 

 

When you need to overclock, it's time for you to change your CPU. Period. If the CPU was designed at fisrt to be overclocked.

Edited December 9, 2008 by ManOWar2

[Chevyboy]

Well my initial clock is 3.0 GHz, and I easily upped it to 3.6 with about 0.05 V increase in vcore.

Air cooling.

Before overclock: 48 idle, 72 full load (OCCT stress testing)

After overclock: 50 idle, 72 full load (OCCT stress testing).

 

I see no problems with overclocking =)

Wow. You might want to check your cooling, because something is definitely not running well there. I have my E8400 at 3.6 and it's at 50° Celcius under full load, high 30s idle. That is with air cooling (Arctic Cooling Freezer Pro 7, 2*120mm coolers in the case). Heck, even my temp is rather on the high side - I've talked to loads of people who have their 8400 at around 40-45° under full load at that speed.

While yes 70c is hot, it is in no way dangerous to these chips.

 

I would do as he as advised tho and check your heatsink, even with a stock heatsink low to mid 60's with that OC is all you should be seeing, 70 is a bit high but again, not dangerous.

[Chevyboy]

 

If your CPU is 30c at 3ghz is it faster than if it is 40c and 3ghz?

I have to say yes to that.

 

 

Where is your data to support that claim? 0.01 percent is not worth mentioning. A cpu at 30c will computationally perform significantly better than at 40c? I call bs, but I've been mistaken before. I don't recall seeing performance graphs to back that claim in the years of computer and cpu reviews I've read.

 

If the performance benefit isn't worth mentioning, then its certainly not worth arguing about so I presume you are saying it is. Enlighten us.

I have nothing to prove.

 

Go and speak with a doctor in electronic if you dont beleive me. He's going to tell you the same. The cooler your CPU, the better the performance.

 

Period.

 

I do not need internet or any proof for that, I studied electronics, specifically computers.

 

You learn that in your first years btw. I'm not being arrogant, what is arrogant is telling things when you're not sure about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lot of informatician in there, and not enough people studied electronic to really understand that Overclocking a processor do not boost your power as much as you think. Otherway all company would devellop processor already overclocked, what do you think ?

 

Overclocking is only to make things sell more.

 

 

 

What is true is that on a long term basis, overclocked processor will lose performance faster.

 

In the end, your E6600 2.4 (like mine) that you overclock to 3.0GHz will effectively run 3.0GHz couple month and after that the surplus of electricity needed to do it will damage your processor AND your motherboard. It will be functionnal again, but effectivelly, even if it show in windows and the bios that you are running to 3.0 GHZ, if you test your CPU with the proper equipement you will see that it may be even down to less than it was BEFORE you overclock it.

 

Have fun ruining your 300$ processor guys. Thinkings you're running fast while you are not !

 

Only amateur and kids do overclock their processor like that.

 

 

When you need to overclock, it's time for you to change your CPU. Period. If the CPU was designed at fisrt to be overclocked.

Really? I have several certificates as well, been working in the field of computers (almost everything to do with them, mostly diagnosis and repair and building machines for everything from servers for companies to full blown PC gaming rigs for consumers) and I have NEVER seen any literature suggesting that a safe and stable overclock (staying well within specs for the hardware) has any effect on the life of a unit. Unless of course you are planning on keeping the same piece of hardware for many many years, in which case I would guess you were building a business PC in which one would question the mentality of an overclock in the first place.

 

Temperature having an effect on performance? Are you high or just ignorant? As long as the processor is in good working order and well within safe temperature parameters, a 3ghz processor is a 3ghz processor. Makes no difference if its at 20c or 40c. What temperature does effect is efficiency, a cooler processor will use less power, not become faster or slower.

 

Companies don't sell overclocked processors not because its "not safe" but because its a business. They make more selling an E8500 or 8600 than they do an 8400. Wouldn't be a very wise business decision to set the E8400 to 3.3ghz to match the E8600 when one cost significantly more than the other.

 

"After a couple of months and all that surplus electricity needed to do it will damage your hardware" - NOT TRUE. Sorry but your wrong. Peroid. But since you seem to think yourself all knowing, feel free to prove me wrong.

 

"Only amateur and kids do overclock their processor like that" - Ok we'll us amateur's and kids will keep enjoying our hardware at there fullest potential for as long as it takes them to become very obsolete and us to upgrade to newer technology, while you milk your system for the next 8 years.

 

Idiocy is strong with this one.

[vokuhila]

ManoWar2: either you did not study electronics or computers or whatever, or you're high.

 

never seen someone post bullsh*t like that + claiming he studied more than 5 seconds for this.

 

just one example:

my e6750 ran at 3,6 ghz (35% overlock for FREE with a 15$ aircooler) with the same benchmark points, same SuperPI times, same stability for over a year. And guess what.. these benchmarks showed a 35% increase over the stock settings! weird isn't it? oO

 

currently my E8400 runs at 4ghz instead of 3. Again, 33% increase for nothing. Running at 47° under full load with Arctic Freezer Pro 7 btw, the 70 something i read here seem pretty high - allthough not damaging they could make problems in summer when it's getting warmer outside. Might want to check your airflow / cooler etc :-)

 

To use your words ManoWar2: "Only amateurs and kids do NOT overclock their current intel CPUs." I've never seen any C2D chip that couldn't get a 25% increase for free, with really small voltage increases - if needed at all. Oh another thing.. cpus don't just get slower. Once they're damaged or clocked too high they produce errors, making stuff unstable, up to the point where the cpu just dies. Has nothing to do with performance.

 

 

Why am i arguing with you at all? You're right, you should never overclock.. with the knowledge you have you'd definitly fry it!

 

 

 

 

Sorry for the rude words, but i hate when people start bullsh*ting and then claim to be wise and allknowing.