synx Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Really should have spent that $200,000 on playtesting the game on a variety of hardware. 27kb > $200,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanzerIV Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 +10000 to San Andreaser Rockstar can s*ck my ****. I'm very glad I haven't bought this game and never will I support such a company of newbie programmers that can't even code a game to run at a very low 30fps on the very best computer that money can buy. They prefer to waste millions of dollars on annoying protections and we have to log in like 3-4 things just to play and save our game, god its annoying. Never I thought they could make it even worse than previous GTA but looks like they did. I dunno who was in lead of the PC version of the game but we should hang him to death by his balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themasher729 Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Really should have spent that $200,000 on playtesting the game on a variety of hardware. 27kb > $200,000 lol i love seeing 27kb > $200,000 b/c i know it really has to tick R* off that happened. its got to be the smallest crack/loader i have seen. i downloaded that 27kb file and decompiled it myself to look at the code. but then i realized i kno nothing about code really except basic matlab code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themasher729 Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 +10000 to San Andreaser Rockstar can s*ck my ****. I'm very glad I haven't bought this game and never will I support such a company of newbie programmers that can't even code a game to run at a very low 30fps on the very best computer that money can buy. They prefer to waste millions of dollars on annoying protections and we have to log in like 3-4 things just to play and save our game, god its annoying. Never I thought they could make it even worse than previous GTA but looks like they did. I dunno who was in lead of the PC version of the game but we should hang him to death by his balls. you can skip login to social club and you can make an offline account in windows live games and play offline. it is a terribly designed system that they wanted for protection prolly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Andreaser Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Iz easy.U gonna pay, because they made a product u obviously like to play. The stupid security in it is because of piracy. Actually i like Games for Windows Live. DRM is another story, but i never had any errors. But is again of piracy. So complainers better buy the game, instead crying out loud on forums and make things look horrible. They still make products for pc and support it all well and try to find a solution. Buying will bring better games, soo.. just stop downloading. Gaming will be more fun!! P.S. I haven't had any problem with gtaIV and never had any problems with DRM games or something else. man, perhaps ur PC handled GTA properly, can't deny that But u can't deny the game pissed of most customersm even R* can't And please stop saying that the complainers are pirates, it's nonsense, and never can proof it, I tagged the thread with "Please keep it serious" cuz I wanted long posts with different opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iRocco Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 dont blame the pirates, blame the gaming industry, serously the prizes for a game today are ridiculous, at least in my country... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexmachine Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 dont blame the pirates, blame the gaming industry, serously the prizes for a game today are ridiculous, at least in my country... i would agree with you if we talked about any other game but GTA gta games are worth the money because you can spend hundreds of hours playing them without getting bored of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorkenlol Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 f*cking pathetic. I read that they spent like 200k USD to protect the game from piracy, one day after the release in US the game is already cracked and uploaded on thousands of sites. Good job, really. You wasted a good amount of money, that could've been used to make the game playable, and waste it on this sh*t? I mean REALLY? Like you don't make enough money already.. Get your head out of your asses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shof Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 a new group released a new crack for this game it seems that they are more and more people willy to crack this game then buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badmagic Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I've always paid for my (games, music, films, taxes, tv licence etc) yet with games it only needs to happen once which I know is an inevitability, the first time DRM directly causes once of my systems components to malfunction I will illegally obtain any and all software that company produces in the future that I decide I want to use, in cases where simply that title is affected or in any way prevents me from using my legitimately purchased product I will reimburse myself with as many downloaded products as works out to roughly the same monetary value in my opinion. As I said I haven't needed to illegally obtain anything yet (touch wood) but any publisher or developer to be arrogant enough to presume I am a thief in advance deserves everything they get, or don't get as the case may be, with any luck it will sort the wheat from the chaff where companies will be forced to stop trading when nobody wastes their time or money on them any more and with any luck the incompetent fools will be tracked by users so people can be forewarned that company X is mostly made up from the incompetent fools that mismanaged company Y into the ground previously so a effective buffer can be arranged prior to anyone wasting their cash. Games in general have been on a steep decline in quality for some time until at this point they are generally nothing more than glorified *HDR simulators, this game, so far is no exception to that general observation. * = NOTE: All developers take note, VALVe, Crytech, Bethesda etc, your HDR looks like crap and nothing remotely like real-time lifelike environments, stop tacking it on to games as a "feature" as its worthless and buggy, most of the recent games that choose to use it cluster**** AA and shadows which offer much more to the user in terms of visual appeal than the glut of shiny jaggy grey tones games, give it up until your capable of doing it properly then talk to us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeka Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I still have hope... But I've yet to play my copy that is tucked away for christmas. I'm prepared to re-reg the game 3 times a day . That's the real thing that bothers me. I know the specs are quite high. But I do believe anythign is possible lol. And if it isn't, [email protected] it, I can let the game sit for a year, and play the 360 ver instead. My new vga card will just goto work on other games I've been waiting to play for a year now like dirt, halo2 and etc. I figuer [email protected] it, I'll make the best of it somehow. Still though, if I have probs like you guys do, like not being to even start the game or the game being all messed up in a ton of ways. I'll be majorally bummed out. But I'll just wait it out. I'm happy to have the earliest coppy availible btw. That way I can choose which updates I apply. Think gtasa... , even though I've never applied the hot coffee patch, I still prefer the ver that came out before the new one. Less buggy, plus modding is fun yo . I'll tell you one thing. gta3, vc and sa. All of them I did not pay full price for, I went half and half then got a crack and shared it between a buddy and me. However on this on, gta4, I went and baught it, and I buaght the 360 ver as well. Why?, because I wanna bebale to play on the lan(not the net), without probs. And I'm sick of dealing with cracks onestly. Having to do a virus scan for them and checking ports and proccesses to ensure they aren't wacked. You look at the 1st crack for gta3, save games not working most of the time. There was a prob with the orignal crack for vc too, I think it weas about the crack being for the german ver or something. Again probs with the 1st 2 cracks for sa. I figuer rockstar deserved there money 4x over with this release. I was extremely happy that I could play it on the pc finally. But then again I went and baught the console ver anyways lol :\. Still, pc the sh!t, rather play it on the pc. Can you say GTAIV Console/Control Center ? I hope ones shows up.... If not I'll just do the old school moddding of car specs and stuff, with new gen'ed sha1's or something whatever it is that needs to be done now. Sha1's are easy enough to gen anyways with winhex. Anyways don't fret dudes, all in good time. THERE perhaps could be one thing that may help. With missing textures MAYBE. With gtavc and gta3, you guys remember the blue textures/missing ones in those games? You know where they came from? I found out about a year ago or 2 myself, it was the quatum priority in windows. I'm not messing with ya. [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\PriorityControl] ;Quantum Priority ;Found that GTA3 render errors are from using a ratio other then 1:1 ;"Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:00000018 ;Long ,Fixed ,1:1 ;"Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:0000001a ;Long ,Fixed ,3:1 "Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:00000028 ;Short ,Fixed ,1:1 (Fastest SuperPI's) ;"Win32PrioritySeparation"=dword:00000029 ;Short ,Fixed ,2:1 , I dont' know how relavent this will be on gta4. But it's worth a shot, it should help prevent some texture loading errors. I don't think it's be the fix though but at least you guys will know what effected gta3 and vc. As it wasn't the amount of mem you had nor was it vsync. Laters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heckler Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 It makes me laugh that you all still call it piracy, when it is nothing of the sort. Piracy is a term coined by companies/industry to attempt to give the impression that it's a really bad thing. That it's on par with stereotypical pirates, raping and pillaging, sinking ships and stealing the gold of the good people, the traders and merchants. The simple fact is, there is no theft involved in downloading a movie/game/mp3 or anything else. It's actually called copyright infringement and is purely a civil matter, not a criminal one. It only becomes a criminal one if you try to profit from selling some one else's copyrighted works. So far, in the western world... there has been no successful lawsuit against anyone who downloaded anything... There have been a few cases where people have uploaded things... and of course there are those who settled out of court because they were intimidated into paying a fee to these companies. The simple fact is that sites like the pirate bay amongst others inject random IP information into everything... so those searching for people infringing copyright are being fooled and sending out false demands to people who have never downloaded anything in their life. It makes a mockery of the system and makes it completely unenforceable in law (civil or criminal). Copyright protection is their way of trying to cling on to a dying business model... Because they are unable to adapt to changing thinking and demands. You could make all music free just by adding a small fee to the sale of each mp3 player or dvd-rw, add a few pennies onto the cost of blank media. Some have even suggested that ISP's charge a little extra, although this would target people who don't want to download and make them pay for those who do... and as we see under the current system, it's the paying customers who suffer the most by use of restrictive DRM stuff. If that money was pooled and distributed fairly amongst artists... then "piracy" would not be a problem at all... the only thing that would suffer is the media industries insistence on trying to retain their current business models. But as long as the sheep keeping buying into the wolf's lies... nothing will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camdean Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 What about pirates who steal boats, don't tell me, they are misunderstood, and their views are better than everyone else's in a dying business ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shat_kat Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Well they might actually be real pirates, but instead of parots they have AK's, and instead of gold, they like to hijack wii's. Completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camdean Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) Well they might actually be real pirates, but instead of parots they have AK's, and instead of gold, they like to hijack wii's. Completely different. Not realy, they just try and get something for free because they know they can, they dont consider damage or who it belongs to, they just want it for free, they could of been a worker in an office but chose to live the corrupted life, their choice, their bad. I work on boats so pirates are seen as the scummiest sh*t ever, I'm sure you can understand when some group of people try and use boats as a way to free cash, it pisses me of, same with gaming pirates, just GET A JOB YOU SCAFFS here have some free cookies Edited December 8, 2008 by camdean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shat_kat Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) Who me or a pirate... (a real pirate)? You can't really say that downloading stuff damages anyone, i know its always been said and everyone uses the same arguments for and against. People who downloaded it werent really going to buy it in the first place, ofcourse there are exceptions to that. I always buy music on indie labels, cause they really need the money, but then again, stuff on major labels isn't really worth listening to so i dont download it either. but blah blah blah, piracy not bad blah blah, its anyones opinion, there is no actual product missing in my opinion, no guns pointed at anyone, no threats being made, no old woman knocked down when you try to run out the shop. But then again, i am dealing with angry overweight middle aged women at work now, explaining how real pirates have hijacked their wii-fits. Edited December 8, 2008 by shat_kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camdean Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Land lubbers ahoy .. I thought I was clear in my statement, those scummy parrot wearing freaks, remind me of the guys who crack games for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp2018 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 It makes me laugh that you all still call it piracy, when it is nothing of the sort. Piracy is a term coined by companies/industry to attempt to give the impression that it's a really bad thing. That it's on par with stereotypical pirates, raping and pillaging, sinking ships and stealing the gold of the good people, the traders and merchants. The simple fact is, there is no theft involved in downloading a movie/game/mp3 or anything else. It's actually called copyright infringement and is purely a civil matter, not a criminal one. It only becomes a criminal one if you try to profit from selling some one else's copyrighted works. So far, in the western world... there has been no successful lawsuit against anyone who downloaded anything... There have been a few cases where people have uploaded things... and of course there are those who settled out of court because they were intimidated into paying a fee to these companies. The simple fact is that sites like the pirate bay amongst others inject random IP information into everything... so those searching for people infringing copyright are being fooled and sending out false demands to people who have never downloaded anything in their life. It makes a mockery of the system and makes it completely unenforceable in law (civil or criminal). Copyright protection is their way of trying to cling on to a dying business model... Because they are unable to adapt to changing thinking and demands. You could make all music free just by adding a small fee to the sale of each mp3 player or dvd-rw, add a few pennies onto the cost of blank media. Some have even suggested that ISP's charge a little extra, although this would target people who don't want to download and make them pay for those who do... and as we see under the current system, it's the paying customers who suffer the most by use of restrictive DRM stuff. If that money was pooled and distributed fairly amongst artists... then "piracy" would not be a problem at all... the only thing that would suffer is the media industries insistence on trying to retain their current business models. But as long as the sheep keeping buying into the wolf's lies... nothing will change. Can I please have an exact replica of the Mona Lisa? Its not stealing... honest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shat_kat Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Im sure you can order one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp2018 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Im sure you can order one. No, I mean its the exact same thing as duplicating money, just because you're not physically stealing the original does not mean it is not stealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemon Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 You could make all music free just by adding a small fee to the sale of each mp3 player or dvd-rw, add a few pennies onto the cost of blank media. Some have even suggested that ISP's charge a little extra, although this would target people who don't want to download and make them pay for those who do... Why should I pay more than I already do? And to emphasize what you are saying I quote you directly "although this would target people who don't want to download and make them pay for those who do..." Exactly. I'd say although it's a nice theory I would guess both manufacturors and customers would refuse to pay another fee on mp3 players, blank material etc... Btw, it would really be a mess trying to keep track of thousands of different labels and how much music it "sells" with your proposal, both retail and digitally. Plus, people would probably "buy" x times that much music, which would increase the cost of mp3 players etc if the popularity of music would be some sort of measurement concerning who gets how much (phew I know that sentence sucked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shat_kat Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Well downloading is copyright infringement, its a civil matter, i know where youre coming from with the duplicating money thing, but its a different category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisker Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Im sure you can order one. No, I mean its the exact same thing as duplicating money, just because you're not physically stealing the original does not mean it is not stealing. Which is why, if you were creating counterfeit money, you would be charged with COUNTERFEITING and not stealing. Copying isn't stealing, copying money isn't copying games, there is no direct paralel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp2018 Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Im sure you can order one. No, I mean its the exact same thing as duplicating money, just because you're not physically stealing the original does not mean it is not stealing. Which is why, if you were creating counterfeit money, you would be charged with COUNTERFEITING and not stealing. Copying isn't stealing, copying money isn't copying games, there is no direct paralel. You are not stealing a physical item, nor are you stealing a program, I understand this, but what you ARE doing is copying copyrighted material and STEALING sales. I am not here to get into an argument but the fact remains, you can label it all you want, it is still stealing. When purchasing a game you're not actually buying the cd or the box or the manual, you are buying the right to use the software provided on the CD or media, they can legally change or withdraw that right at any time, of course they will not do this, but that is how it is legally, so by copying this software you are indeed stealing the rights to a copy for yourself. Label it what you want, but that is how it is, but yes, "pirating" is an ugly word for it designed to make it sound more malicious than it is, but it is what it is regardless of naming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisker Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Im sure you can order one. No, I mean its the exact same thing as duplicating money, just because you're not physically stealing the original does not mean it is not stealing. Which is why, if you were creating counterfeit money, you would be charged with COUNTERFEITING and not stealing. Copying isn't stealing, copying money isn't copying games, there is no direct paralel. You are not stealing a physical item, nor are you stealing a program, I understand this, but what you ARE doing is copying copyrighted material and STEALING sales. I am not here to get into an argument but the fact remains, you can label it all you want, it is still stealing. When purchasing a game you're not actually buying the cd or the box or the manual, you are buying the right to use the software provided on the CD or media, they can legally change or withdraw that right at any time, of course they will not do this, but that is how it is legally, so by copying this software you are indeed stealing the rights to a copy for yourself. Label it what you want, but that is how it is, but yes, "pirating" is an ugly word for it designed to make it sound more malicious than it is, but it is what it is regardless of naming. No, it is not stealing in any shape or form, that's the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemon Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) No, it is not stealing in any shape or form, that's the fact. Bombastic statements aside, it's aquiring a right to enjoy copyrighted material by bypassing commercialized methods. Edited December 8, 2008 by Nemon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockstar Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) Hackers gonna hack it anyway, there's no system without holes, it's very old fact, and R* just managed to delay them for 72 hours, why pissing us off for those 72 hours? Eh? It was cracked within 0 hours of the official release as everybody downed it before the release date and unlock time (00.00) but had the camera issues so it took the crackers about 5-10 hours to discover that flaw and beat it so I dunno how you came up with 72 hous LOL And with R*'s pathetic attempt to fool the pirates with the crack, they end up being idiots. That drunk cam thing and other problems were fixed 2 days ago. So R* didnt benefit anything from this. Looks like they f*cked the original version more. Seems like crackers work harder then the r* development crew for GTA 4 combined Edited December 8, 2008 by Cockstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockstar Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) I have no probs with secure rom. I have no probs with the game. I only have problems with people like u complaining about every game in every forum. U reported ur problems to the support? U helped improving the game experience for all of us? I dont think so. Go to the store and get ur cash back. Take ur money go to the whore have a wet hour and shut up lol. Stick it a little deeper in r* rear end youre almost there You must be very frustrated lol silent hill homecoming dont know Assasins creed game sucks Grid arcade sh*t racer Dead space great game tomb raider underworld totally fails COD 5 bad arcade shooter crysis warhead graphic whore gameplay sucks condemned criminal origins dont know flatout ultimate carnage good fun stranglehold dont know turok sh*t for the kid U dont understand that GTA is full of gameplay its bigger than all games u listed. You cannot compare sh*t with GTA lol. Wow. Make a note kids, they dont come more fanboy-ish then this. Unless ofcourse you click on Drag-Drift name and check his previous posts in wich he has almost every min since the release date of gta 4 on pc defended r* in every topic there is Everything +2179264716 Edited December 8, 2008 by Cockstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horseonwheels Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 (edited) I really hope that rockstar is listening. No more DRM, online activation, social club/live bollox, outside what is voluntary, or I will be another former costumer. Cd key check for online play and similar measures is fairgame and makes sense, but all the other sh*t has to go, securom, starforce begone! and rather sooner than later. And optimize the game, thank you very much. It is dishonest of them to suggest that the users of the boards over the webz are just the most vocal gamers, how f*cking dare you. The only other forum I have ever visited about a game was stalker forums, and that for the same reasons, devastating performance issues compared to what should be possible with the hardware I have avaible. To appeal to "the silent majority" to try and escape the fact that very many people have a boatload of issues with the game is altso dishonest. The silent majority is just that, but it doesn't mean they are satisfied, it just means -like politicians have known for years- that you have to go and poke them with a stick to get an oppinion out of them. Then there is the helplines...erhm...the nearest hotline from me is the UK, and it's not exactly gratis to make that call. The E-mail service is responsive, but my point is that it is unfair to use an international telephone service as a measure for how satisfied the "2.0" generation is with a collection of data. finally. They have no sense of humour. They have made it big on making entertainment that deals with grand theft, murder, robbery, all kinds of pervesions, and they go haywire because a bunch of crooks -who would release it anyway- pwned them. Grow a pair will ye.... edit: try an SMS service and I'm sure you'll see a drastic increase in "phone ins". Edited December 8, 2008 by horseonwheels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldee Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Aimed at San Andreaser For somewhone who speaks about logic, right and wrong, you certainly fail at grammar. Since we are on the line of bashing things we don't like, I'd like to bash on you and tell you to go back to school and learn the English language. Fanboy! Who cares about his grammar, he makes much sense and I agree with him completely. Just look at my friend who bought the in such a hurry. He shhuurre is having a hell of a time with it... complaining and whining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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