IGN interviews Rockstar about tech. problems

[DeadlyAvenger]

I just posted a thread on the same interview, glad I'm not the only one outraged by those comments.

 

Oh and TruXter, I built my PC from scratch, I know my way around a PC, my rig has also been left un-clocked, didn't need it, so this is not a case of noobs with "all the gear no idea" tweaking their PC's to oblivion.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2008 by DeadlyAvenger

[TruXter]

If you know what you are doing, go fix your stuff and stop typing .

If you have a legit issue, please calmly post in an existing thread

or atleast try and read it  and take advise people have to offer

There are way to many of us who have the game running for all this

to entirely be Rockstar's issue.

 

OR go get your money back, and GTFO!

Just because yours is working fine doesn't mean there aren't issues. I know my stuff. I've built 3 PCs. This last one was built 3 years ago and has had numerous upgrades. Everything works together wonderfully. There is nothing to fix. I could upgrade more, but that'd be upgrading the processor which would require a new motherboard, new ram, and probably a new powersupply. I am NOT going to pay $400+ to "fix my problems" on a game that should run decently-well (not expecting High settings, or even medium/high) considering my computer meets recommended specs. Spending $400+ for ONE GAME is ridiculous.

Oh, ok.

I didn't know that I got the special magical one.

 

wanna buy it?

 

I will sell it to you for 400 bucks...

[Ducky is King]

In RockStar's defense, you must remember something here. They are selling millions of copies. to millions of people. Those who are on the forums trying to get this to work are generally your more savy computer users.

 

As far as all the added BS when you install it, I believe that has something to do with the way M$ does business with 3rd party dev's more than it does with RockStar. I mean think about it, RockStar has spent millions on this game. with thousands of man hours, tying up mega resources, and dealing with a HUGE following, the LAST thing they want to do, is anything that will hinder peoples ability to actually play the game. So while I think RockStar does share some of the blame, All the added BS when you install it I believe rests firmly on M$'s shoulders here.

 

With that said, some of the crap people are spewing on messege boards acrossed the internet, is disgusting. What are you people 5?! I mean seriously, grow up!

 

If you have an issue it will be fixed. Everyone seems to forget that this is one of the top games to be released not only this year, but probably next year as well. This game on the PC is GIGANTIC. There WILL be issues. You can only 'simulate' so many situations inside a computer lab. When you release it to the public, you get a much broader field to test it out on thousands of different configurations. How can RockStar, realisticly simulate thousands of configs in their labs? They cant.

 

I think alot of the anger on the messege boards is misplaced, and overblown.

 

And yes, even I had issues with the game when I first brought it home. Even I couldnt get it to work. But with a bit of patience, and thinking outside the box, geuss what? I was able to get it to work.

[torresno9]

so because some of us are newbies on a gta forum, we know nothing about computers and its our fault there's no AA in the game, what an intelligent bloke!.

 

as for conspiracy theroies, id call it more a sense of humour, he should try getting one!

[Muze]

If you know what you are doing, go fix your stuff and stop typing .

If you have a legit issue, please calmly post in an existing thread

or atleast try and read it  and take advise people have to offer

There are way to many of us who have the game running for all this

to entirely be Rockstar's issue.

 

OR go get your money back, and GTFO!

Just because yours is working fine doesn't mean there aren't issues. I know my stuff. I've built 3 PCs. This last one was built 3 years ago and has had numerous upgrades. Everything works together wonderfully. There is nothing to fix. I could upgrade more, but that'd be upgrading the processor which would require a new motherboard, new ram, and probably a new powersupply. I am NOT going to pay $400+ to "fix my problems" on a game that should run decently-well (not expecting High settings, or even medium/high) considering my computer meets recommended specs. Spending $400+ for ONE GAME is ridiculous.

Oh, ok.

I didn't know that I got the special magical one.

 

wanna buy it?

 

I will sell it to you for 400 bucks...

Your posts are completely off topic here and others shouldn't buy into this childish flame bait. The topic is about the interview which I agree showcases some terrible decision making, customer service, and downright false statements on the part of the developers, as pointed out several times already.

 

I can play Crysis at 1920x1200 with settings on high with great FPS.

 

I play Fallout 3 at 2560x1600 on max settings with good FPS.

 

The poor performance and stuttering gameplay with medium settings (1650x1080) in GTA IV is THEIR fault NOT mine.

[Left4Dead]

Oh noes Conspiracies are upon us.

 

Sorry but the only people I see griping ,

 

are either newbs.. or console brats who

thought they could easily make the change.

 

 

look newbs, just because you have the ultimate perfect maximized wonder parts.

does not mean they match up.

 

fsb

frequency

watts

volts

all play key factors

So far not one of the regulars from here are crying about how their machine is handling it.

 

 

can't have 95 watt processor on a 80 watt board

you can't have a pc-ei x16

 

in a pci-e 2.0 board

you can't have a ddr3 card on a ddr2 board

 

you can not have 2000 mhtz memory sticks but a 800 mhtz processor

 

If you have anything like this mixed.. please go away.

If you do not know, and you built it yourself, please go away.

 

If you know what you are doing, go fix your stuff and stop typing .

If you have a legit issue, please calmly post in an existing thread

or atleast try and read it and take advise people have to offer

There are way to many of us who have the game running for all this

to entirely be Rockstar's issue.

 

OR go get your money back, and GTFO!

LOL

 

Thanks bud. Aren't you just a genius. Didn't know it was wrong to voice your opinion on forums.

 

People paid money for a game that is not as it was advertised. That is no reason for complaining?

[medfreak]

When they are talking about the patch they don't really say anything about improving or optimizing performance...

Improving performance to be on-par with other PC games would show the PC (average PCs) to be more powerful than the consoles, and that's the last thing a cartel like Rockstar wants.

QFT.

[TruXter]

I just posted a thread on the same interview, glad I'm not the only one outraged by those comments.

 

Oh and TruXter, I built my PC from scratch, I know my way around a PC, my rig has also been left un-clocked, didn't need it, so this is not a case of noobs with "all the gear no idea" tweaking their PC's to oblivion.

Wanna bet?

your board a "striker extreme" is ddr2

and your video card is what ?????

 

 

ddr3

 

 

processor is 1066MHz fsb

 

 

your board is 1333/1066/800MHz

 

 

unless you settled for the mid level ram

meet bottle neck #2

 

 

 

"Memory Standard  DDR2 800"

but I doubt you read that much on it

[medfreak]

 

Oh noes Conspiracies are upon us.

 

Sorry but the only people I see griping ,

 

are either newbs.. or console brats who

thought they could easily make the change.

 

 

look newbs, just because you have the ultimate perfect maximized wonder parts.

does not mean they match up.

 

fsb

frequency

watts

volts

all play key factors

So far not one of the regulars from here are crying about how their machine is handling it.

 

 

can't have 95 watt processor on a 80 watt board

you can't have  a pc-ei x16

 

in a pci-e 2.0 board

you can't have a ddr3 card on a ddr2 board

 

you can not have 2000 mhtz memory sticks but a 800 mhtz processor

 

If you have anything like this mixed.. please go away.

If you do not know, and you built it yourself, please go away.

 

If you know what you are doing, go fix your stuff and stop typing .

If you have a legit issue, please calmly post in an existing thread

or atleast try and read it  and take advise people have to offer

There are way to many of us who have the game running for all this

to entirely be Rockstar's issue.

 

OR go get your money back, and GTFO!

Oh please stfu. The "regulars"? Who are the "regulars" in your opinion? I got two machines. A Q6600 / SLI 260 setup and and an older AMD 4200+ 8800GT setup. Don't give me crap about "volts / watts" and other "captain obvious" nonsense. I have been building my own PCs for 15 years now. This game is piss f*cking poor on both machines, especially given the fact that every other f*cking game I threw at both machines ran smooth as butter, except for Crysis on the older Machine. And even then with some config modifications, tweaks and optimizations, it ran so well at the end. On the newer machine I didn't even need to do that.

 

This game is a piss ass poor port, simple as that. If you can't realize it you need to get your head out of your ass. I challenge you to name ONE single mainstream console to PC port worse than this game this year "technical wise".

[MaddmattH]

I see many people here are shocked and confused that the game doesn't support AA. I think the main reason for that is the lighting system, the HDR. It just doesn't work in combination with AA unless they use DX10.

 

Good to see Rockstar was willing to do an interview, and I'm sure they knew that they would get comments like this. It's just typical of game forums these days.

 

Looking forward to the patch, with whatever improvements it brings

 

 

[something0987]

 

I see many people here are shocked and confused that the game doesn't support AA. I think the main reason for that is the lighting system, the HDR. It just doesn't work in combination with AA unless they use DX10.

 

Good to see Rockstar was willing to do an interview, and I'm sure they knew that they would get comments like this. It's just typical of game forums these days.

 

Looking forward to the patch, with whatever improvements it brings

Does GTA IV even use HDR? I never really heard anything about it, anyone know? And you can use HDR along with AA with most recent cards I believe. That's something I've heard often so I just did a little searching and the general consensus is just that... maybe I'm wrong. Even still, like others have said, if the games settings are really made to be used with future pc's, there is no reason DX10 isn't in there.

 

Edit: And if it is true about HDR and AA not working, we should be able to have options to enable/disable each one of those things, like plenty of other games have now.

[Rockstar1]

 

When they are talking about the patch they don't really say anything about improving or optimizing performance...

Improving performance to be on-par with other PC games would show the PC (average PCs) to be more powerful than the consoles, and that's the last thing a cartel like Rockstar wants.

I don't think Rockstar cares one way or the other. Anyone with sense knows a high end gaming PC owns the consoles.

 

The game runs like crap because it was a quick and dirty port.

 

And they gave us a quick and dirty port because the game was designed for consoles, and Rockstar knew the PC version wouldn't come close to selling enough copies to justify (from a bean counter's point of view) a complete "from the ground up" re-optimization.

 

 

Their 1% comment is just BS propaganda. Just because the volume of calls to their tech support is only 1% of total sales, doesn't mean that's the only people having problems. In this day and age, most people are on the internet, and knew or quickly found out the game runs like a steaming pile on anything but the best of the best.

 

I wonder how many people did get burned by this game though ? What percentage of their audience even meets the recommended specs of a quad core ? 10% at most ? Quads are still pretty rare, even among people with decent gaming computers.

[tiedie]

I CANT WAIT for the patch because I really need the improved rendering and naming of files ability in the video editing system

[TwwIX]

Talk about being in f*cking denial. What a joke this developer is becoming.

 

By the way,Gamespy/IGN reviews=Corporate Shills that can suck my hairy cock.

[NYHoustonman]

At first I was like

 

But then I was like

 

Seriously, at least ACKNOWLEDGE some of the performance problems beyond them being user error. I don't want to hear this bs about it being a problem with my configuration, which it isn't, or NVidia's drivers, when they've actually released an update before you've touched your own game.

 

For myself... Fix the memory leak and I'll be happy. That's it. That has nothing to do with my computer's hardware except that I don't have enough physical memory to store everything this bloated piece of software wants, which is a hell of a lot more than it should. I have to restart the game every hour or so if I expect to get anything the least bit action-y done. It has to do with lazy programming on Rockstar's part, and that's really all there is to it.

 

I'm enjoying the game immensely, but they could be handling this situation a whole lot better instead of trying to make excuses :\.

[Net-Zao]

Wow, anything else think those 3 guys sound like total pricks?

 

They basically said, "Well, we arn't idiots our game if fine, just a small percent of whiney forum users have issues because they're tards with sh*tty PCs who don't update drivers."

 

No wonder this game is a mess; the devs are unskilled, arrogant hacks in denial about the fail they did when porting this.

[FanatiKOr]

U should stop crying and try to improve ur pc performance or u wait for the next patch and graphic drivers.

I have minimum requirements and the game feels good and looks good. Gameplay is awsome really one of the

best gaming experience i ever had.

Intel DUal Core 2,2Ghz overclocked from 1,86 for better performance in gta

2gig ddr2

GeForce 9800GT

 

The game gets a rating of 9,5 from me. I m really happy they brought it to pc platform its really great ty R*.

Patches will come thats for sure so everybody gets the fun. It s really sad that so many kids are in this forum

only flaming around. They do not even help to improve the game. It s not that easy to make a game like this for so many systems and to test all of them...

 

 

 

[scandal2]

"In some cases we're just seeing 2 GB video cards come out now. That'd be the only way to really get the absolute highest settings."

 

And with no AA, LOOOOOOOL.

 

How they managed to get AA on promo screenshots, why don't they tell us ?

Edited December 6, 2008 by scandal2

[The_PC_Gamer]

"In some cases we're just seeing 2 GB video cards come out now. That'd be the only way to really get the absolute highest settings."

 

And with no AA, LOOOOOOOL.

 

How they managed to get AA on promo screenshots, why don't they tell us ?

Because they copy-pasted Console version screenshots... and zoomed out alot. Plus that thing called photoshop.

[redriot]

"In some cases we're just seeing 2 GB video cards come out now. That'd be the only way to really get the absolute highest settings."

 

And with no AA, LOOOOOOOL.

 

How they managed to get AA on promo screenshots, why don't they tell us ?

Hey, wait a second, it's not stupid! With a 2GB card you can play on 9000x5000 resoluzion, which makes AA unnecessary. It's a new and interesting way of optimising a game, that's it.

[Jesus'En'Hitler420]

Well it's not the first time R* has given no credit to the PC crowd. They were totally baffled when someone hacked the Hot Coffee scenes.

[scandal2]

"In some cases we're just seeing 2 GB video cards come out now. That'd be the only way to really get the absolute highest settings."

 

And with no AA, LOOOOOOOL.

 

How they managed to get AA on promo screenshots, why don't they tell us ?

Hey, wait a second, it's not stupid! With a 2GB card you can play on 9000x5000 resoluzion, which makes AA unnecessary. It's a new and interesting way of optimising a game, that's it.

Or you can get away from monitor for 2 meters and picture will get smooth!

AA solution found !

[redriot]

Or you can get away from monitor for 2 meters and picture will get smooth!

AA solution found !

Even better to play it from the backyard with a wireless controller through a misty window.

[DML]

Rockstar's AA = full-frame blurring (usually with a screenshot taken into Photoshop).

 

Ahhh, it's about time Rockstar suffered a considerable amount of criticism regarding their own stupidity and their treatment of PC gamers.

[tradecraft]

For a moment, I thought someone from Rockstar was going to go public and take it like a man.

 

 

"Sorry, we f*cked up."

[One-time]

 

it's not necessarily that we don't know what we're doing because obviously we put in hundreds and hundreds of hours of test into this.

Yes, hundreds of hours of test on your NASA PC.

[5m0k3y]

I see many people here are shocked and confused that the game doesn't support AA. I think the main reason for that is the lighting system, the HDR. It just doesn't work in combination with AA unless they use DX10.

 

Good to see Rockstar was willing to do an interview, and I'm sure they knew that they would get comments like this. It's just typical of game forums these days.

 

Looking forward to the patch, with whatever improvements it brings

Does GTA IV even use HDR? I never really heard anything about it, anyone know? And you can use HDR along with AA with most recent cards I believe. That's something I've heard often so I just did a little searching and the general consensus is just that... maybe I'm wrong. Even still, like others have said, if the games settings are really made to be used with future pc's, there is no reason DX10 isn't in there.

 

Edit: And if it is true about HDR and AA not working, we should be able to have options to enable/disable each one of those things, like plenty of other games have now.

HDR and AA can only be used together under DX10, with a DX10 capable graphics card.

 

[DeadlyAvenger]

I just posted a thread on the same interview, glad I'm not the only one outraged by those comments.

 

Oh and TruXter, I built my PC from scratch, I know my way around a PC, my rig has also been left un-clocked, didn't need it, so this is not a case of noobs with "all the gear no idea" tweaking their PC's to oblivion.

Wanna bet?

your board a "striker extreme" is ddr2

and your video card is what ?????

 

ddr3

 

processor is 1066MHz fsb

 

your board is 1333/1066/800MHz

 

unless you settled for the mid level ram

meet bottle neck #2

 

 

"Memory Standard   DDR2 800"

but I doubt you read that much on it

 

Yes, I understand that my RAM is slower than my FSB, I knew that when I bought it, it was what I could afford at the time, BUT, it doesn't mean my PC will choke to such a point that it won't be able to run this game at speed. Even with your so called "bottle-neck" it should _still_ be perfectly capable of running this game fast. My PC has no issues whatsoever running Crysis / Crysis Warhead which pisses all over this game graphically.

 

Oh, and for your information, I'm switching to Vista 64 Ultimate on Monday when it arrives, along with 8GB of 1066Mhz RAM.

 

And I do read up on this stuff, so don't even try and judge what I know and don't know.

 

[Officer_Dufus]

Fix the "no vehicle damage" problem with ATI 1900 series cards!

[Fuel_81]

 

Also, a Rockstar rep let us know that the Steam version of the game initially had a problem with not downloading properly to users' computers, creating an issue related to textures. The problem has since been addressed. Steam is also offering the opportunity for refunds, something detailed over at Voodoo Extreme.

 

So what... do we uninstall the game and then re-download it or what?