Interesting Info for The Lost and Damned

[Mafioso86 3]

I was screwing around on the LCPD database today and found some interesting stuff that I think could very well be parts of The Lost and Damned (and also with Chinatown Wars). I know this isn't exactly new information, but I know I've seen questions asked in the various threads that no one seemed to know the answers to and I think I do know them now. I know I could have tracked down those threads and answered them individually, and some of you may already know this stuff... but I have a lot of info and I think it is deserving of a new thread (if you guys disagree go ahead and lock). I dunno about the rest of you, but I'm a little bored with all the PC news... and I've been craving TLAD or even Chinatown Wars news, so here you have it...

 

First off I just wanna make a note that what info we do know about Chinatown Wars can be confirmed in the LCPD database... which makes me think similar info can be deduced about TLAD. Also, I will only black out what I feel are major spoilers to TLAD, so if you don't want any info or speculation on the game before release, or you don't want any info on the events of GTAIV you should stop reading now.

 

The Biker War

I very clearly remember someone once asking what caused the war between the Lost and the Angels of Death, but no one seemed to know the answer... According to the LCPD the war began when Albert Lawson (member of the Angels of Death) slept with the mother of a member of the Lost... there are some other things I'm speculating on... but we'll get to that later.

 

Characters

-Johnny Klebitz is of course the protagonist and I know that a lot of you know he is the acting leader for the Lost while the true leader, Billy Grey is incarcerated. What is interesting though is that apparently Johnny has been trying to make a truce with the Angels of Death against the wishes of Grey and some other members of the Lost.

 

-Billy Grey is the incarcerated leader of the Lost who was arrested on a drug related felony. Supposedly he led the gang in some of the most violent confrontations with the Angels and would accept nothing short of their complete destruction as an end to the biker war. With what the database said about the beginning of the war I wonder of perhaps it was his mother that Albert Lawson screwed...

 

-Ashley Butler is Billy's "old lady" and the girl you see at Drusilla's with Ray Boccino. As anyone who's played through IV knows she has a problem with meth and may be involved in an affair with Ray while Billy is locked up. She is said to work as a liaison between the Lost and Pegorinos.

 

-Jim Fitzgerald is an older member of the Lost and may be Johnny's closest friend. Like Johnny he wants to end the biker war with a truce.

 

-Jason Michaels is a young recently patched in member of the Lost and is very close with Johnny. He's said to do a lot of pimping work and is the guy that was dating Ana Faustin. I've seen a few things online saying that Ana's bf was named Joey, but I can find no credible source for this. The No Love Lost mission never mentions his name, and the LCPD database clearly says that Jason Michaels is a deceased Lost member that was dating Ana Faustin.

 

-Brian Jeremy is another senior member of the Lost, but unlike Fitzgerald he is fiercely loyal to Billy Grey and is not pleased with the direction Johnny is taking the gang in with the biker war... possible betrayer(there is one in every GTA)? Or maybe it was his mother that Lawson got in the sack with?

 

-Leila Sharpe is Johnny's "old lady" and like Ashley Butler she is said to have a major problem with meth.

 

-Terry Thorpe is a Lost member that the LCPD believe is running a meth lab somewhere in Alderney.

 

-Lester Arnold is the current leader of the LC Angels of Death. Interestingly he is said to be from San Fierro which makes me think that the Angels of Death could be a San Andreas based gang that is trying to move in on the Lost's turf... just as the California based Hell's Angels have tried to move in on the turf of other biker gangs like the Outlaws and Pagans.

 

-Joseph "Joe Jon" Johnson is a senior member of the Angels of Death and a meth addict. Like Arnold he is not a native of Liberty but is from Carcer City.

 

-Albert Lawson is the Angels of Death member that supposedly started the biker war by sleeping with the mother of a member of the Lost.

 

-Lee "King" Leroc is a private investigator and Elvis impersonator (hence his nickname). Leroc has no known connection to the Lost so he may not appear in the game at all, he is however an associate of the Angels of Death and the Jaoming Triad, and may serve as a middle man between those organizations as the database says that the Angels are supplied with drugs by the Triads. So perhaps he will appear in TLAD as he is an Angels associate, or maybe he will appear in Chinatown Wars since he is a Triad associate. I'm thinking it would be cool if the Triads end up playing some role in TLAD since they are Angels allies and thus Lost enemies... but this is all speculation. The database also specifies that he frequents Burgershots... and I do remember seeing Elvis impersonators in those a few times so... who knows...

 

Now for the major spoilers (I honestly wish I didn't know them)

Two of the characters we've mentioned here... in fact to very important seeming characters to Johnny are listed as deceased at the end of IV. Both Johnny's girl, Leila Sharp, and his friend, Jim Fitzgerald will most likely die during the course of TLAD.

 

Well that's it, hope it was as exciting for you guys as it was for me. Those of you interested in Chinatown Wars I suggest checking the database out... I didn't go to indepth as I don't own, nor do i plan to own a DS... but I did notice that there was info on both Kenny and Huang Lee who are confirmed characters in Chinatown Wars, as well as other triads like Hsin Jaoming, whom I've heard rumors about suggesting that he may be the antagonist of Chinatown Wars.

Edited December 2, 2008 by Mafioso86

[sam33 1]

Wow interesting info man. You obviously know your stuff. have a cookie.

[Leon_S 0]

interesting info, more to look forward to for the DLC

[batik89 0]

splendid job dude. thanks a lot to share that information.

here's for you.

[Jordy. 3]

Now I know what happens, I don't have to cry anymore about not getting DLC.

[Dillinger8 1]

Nice.

 

One thing, I'm pretty sure that the radio mentions the name of Jason Michaels, in a news break soon after No Love Lost.

 

Joey is Ana Faustin's boyfriend, in a mission triggered by meeting up with her mom on the boardwalk in Hove Beach.

[GuruAskew 1]

 

Now I know what happens, I don't have to cry anymore about not getting DLC.

 

 

 

Yeah, by reading someone's findings in a single message board post you have successfully approximated the hours of gameplay "The Lost and Damned" will offer.

 

Great success!

[andysniper 0]

after reading this i get the feeling that TLAD will be alot more in depth and have a better story than i previously thought.

 

this is great, cheers.

[.:Alex:. 3]

Clever deduction work. Well done. I might just have to hook up the 360 and take a look at some triad stuff myself.

 

But the whole war sparked off by some literal motherf*cker? That's just crazy!

[neo92boi 324]

 

-Lester Arnold is the current leader of the LC Angels of Death. Interestingly he is said to be from San Fierro which makes me think that the Angels of Death could be a San Andreas based gang that is trying to move in on the Lost's turf... just as the California based Hell's Angels have tried to move in on the turf of other biker gangs like the Outlaws and Pagans.

 

-Joseph "Joe Jon" Johnson is a senior member of the Angels of Death and a meth addict. Like Arnold he is not a native of Liberty but is from Carcer City.

 

 

Could you imagine:

 

GTA : San Fierro

 

or

 

GTA: Carcer City, that would be crazy

[SleazeMonkey 0]

Sweet work, sweet work!

 

How did you get to finding the names of all the related characters, just linking through from other LCPD descriptions?

 

X

[MC. 137]

HAHA awesome man. Good job.

 

I wonder if Joseph "Joe Jon" Johnson is actually related to Wade "The Fixer" Johnson (The one that assigns the assassin missions via payphone) and the other Johnson guy.

[Mafioso86 3]

Sweet work, sweet work!

 

How did you get to finding the names of all the related characters, just linking through from other LCPD descriptions?

 

X

just browsing the database and reading the descriptions of different people... there's a lot of stuff there that I think could be little hints at TLAD, CW, and DLC#3. A lot of individuals with pretty developed backgrounds other than the guys I've mentioned here.

 

The fact that Huang and Kenny Lee have been confirmed as the main characters in CW is real interesting since they're in the database on GTAIV. It has a lot of of info on the triads (i've since gone back and read up in my spare time... damn insomnia). Apparently the LC Triad works closely with the Angels of Death and the Korean Mob and it is led by a man named Hsin Jaoming who is in his 70s. As he is quite elderly the database mentions that there are three main contenders to take over when he retires/dies. They are: Huang's uncle Wu "Kenny" Lee, who is ovcourse a confirmed character in CW. Hsin's son Chan Jaoming who is currently second in command, however it says the triads don't really respect him and he only has authority because he is the current leader's son. The third is a guy named Zhou Ming. The cool thing about the Huang Lee entry is it talks about how he is thought to be a freelancer of sorts when not working for his uncle which was a real nice hint at him being the CW protagonist long before we even knew it.

 

It may be of note that the Commission and 5 families have really developed back stories that were not touched upon in GTAIV. Some other interesting sounding individuals were an African Warlord named Claude Wome that is an associate of Issac Roth and Mori Green (possible source of the diamonds I'm thinking so he could show up in TLAD); a Peruvian Pimp named Oswaldo that's supposed to work a big operation out of Alderney; there was an Isreali guy (can't remember his name) that almost sounded like Niko, former soldier no working as a hired gun for the mob and Kenny Petrovic.

[e2thejdot 0]

Anybody else watch Sons of Anarchy and notice a lot of the story is the same? In SOA, the main character is Jax. He's the VP of the biker gang (second in command, like Johnny) and not only also wants to take SOA in a more peaceful and less illegal direction, but also has a wife who's addicted to drugs. The boss of SOA is also trying to keep things the way they are (violent/illegal) and ALSO has a right-hand man (Brian Jeremy of The Lost/Tigg in SOA) that is very loyal and trying to keep things the way they are. Lee "King" Leroc is an Elvis impersonator who's tied into the Angels. SOA has a member named Bobby who also does Elvis impersonations.

 

Interesting.

[Niko Bellico 0]

Thanks a bunch Mafioso86 i love topics like this.

[Chargr 18]

Great Work.

[GoldenJoel 1]

Damned impressive man. This should go on the front page.

[PB&James 0]

 

This was a great post, TC. It's great to see formulated theories with evidence for once. It's a refreshing break from the random speculation and negative criticisms that are usually in TLAD threads.

[Mafioso86 3]

 

This was a great post, TC. It's great to see formulated theories with evidence for once. It's a refreshing break from the random speculation and negative criticisms that are usually in TLAD threads.

Thanks to all for the praise. I'm pretty sick of all the bitching myself. I love these games. I loved GTAIV especially and I'm stoked for this DLC... so this is for anyone else with a similar attitude; the people that come to a GTA website to have fun and talk about love of these games rather than just whine and bitch because it isn't the exact thing that they wanted.

[FiliGTAFan 1]

The info you posted is great! Thanks for spending your time to find out all of this stuff. Tha's loads of information as well!

[Darrel 596]

Very good work there.

[MC. 137]

Apologies for bumping his topic again.

 

After seeing the trailer and seeing some of the characters, there's this new guy named Clay. He's a member of The Lost but I tried to look for his profile in the database at all alphabetical sections and he wasn't found.

[croctapuss 0]

Apologies for bumping his topic again.

 

After seeing the trailer and seeing some of the characters, there's this new guy named Clay. He's a member of The Lost but I tried to look for his profile in the database at all alphabetical sections and he wasn't found.

i made a topic like this but not as good and way less info and yeah i couldnt find him aswell ay maby hes new in the gang or somthing and shot mafioso86

[Mafioso86 3]

 

Apologies for bumping his topic again.

 

After seeing the trailer and seeing some of the characters, there's this new guy named Clay. He's a member of The Lost but I tried to look for his profile in the database at all alphabetical sections and he wasn't found.

i made a topic like this but not as good and way less info and yeah i couldnt find him aswell ay maby hes new in the gang or somthing and shot mafioso86

yeah well I'm back from the dead =)

 

But yeah I've been trying to dig stuff up on Clay but without any results... we'll just have to wait and see on him... though I do think I'll have some more new stuff coming soon... gunna do a bit more digging.

 

Edit: Here's what I have....

 

The Angel will return! The Angel is the bike from the Vice City games and LCS that had the Patriotic paint job. From what I can tell it will be a gang vehicle for The Angels of Death.

 

If you look close at the patches you can find some interesting stuff... here we see what we pretty much already knew... Billy is the President

 

Pretty sure this guy is Brian Jeremy... he isn't mentioned by name in the trailer so maybe he doesn't have a large part... but you can see that his patch says "BJ" which would stand for Brian Jeremy.

 

Here's Jason Michaels... looks like the top patch says "Liberty" maybe, but I can't make out the bottom.

 

Here's Jim... he has patches that say he is the Treasurer of the club as well as his nickname "The Fitz" which would seem to confirm that he is indeed the Jim Fitzgerald mentioned in the LCPD database.

 

And here's Clay who has a few revealing things in the trailer considering that he has no database entry. You can see that his nickname is "Crowdog" and he has the "VET" American flag patch suggesting that he's a war veteran like many bikers. In another shot you can see that he also has a patch that give him the rank in the club of Road Captain.

 

Edited December 16, 2008 by Mafioso86

[croctapuss 0]

Apologies for bumping his topic again.

 

After seeing the trailer and seeing some of the characters, there's this new guy named Clay. He's a member of The Lost but I tried to look for his profile in the database at all alphabetical sections and he wasn't found.

i made a topic like this but not as good and way less info and yeah i couldnt find him aswell ay maby hes new in the gang or somthing and shot mafioso86

yeah well I'm back from the dead =)

 

But yeah I've been trying to dig stuff up on Clay but without any results... we'll just have to wait and see on him... though I do think I'll have some more new stuff coming soon... gunna do a bit more digging.

hahaha nah bro shot means thanks its what some of us say in nz haha

[Mafioso86 3]

hahaha nah bro shot means thanks its what some of us say in nz haha

heh alright man, no problem... and look upwards... i edited my last post with a lot of good screenshots from the trailer.

[croctapuss 0]

cool man all this info is gettin me pumped

 

[MC. 137]

DANG! Nice find on Brian Jeremy. I think Jason's patch says "Liberty Original" and for some reason Jim Fitzgerald sounds like he's spanish.

[Darrel 596]

 

Mafioso86 good work.

[MC. 137]

Mafioso86 good work.

 

Very good work there.

 

LOL. Always the good work. Keep up the good work.