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ps3 and DLC

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GuruAskew

 

Guruaskew, the DLC was always scheduled for release months after the main game, even before the 6 month delay. The reason is to get maximum sales; on the premise that most buyers will have completed IV and will be hungry for more. Which is true, as theres so little replay value. Used copies of IV are not going to dent any of the sales success that Rockstar have in place, pretty much everyone who was going to buy IV had probably got it on release. Sales have naturally peaked.

 

 

There was never a timeframe given prior to a few months ago when it was supposedly coming as early as November.

 

It's a given that they weren't going to release the DLC right away. Common sense tells you that they wouldn't have set a deadline to complete the DLC by the initial launch knowing this. This flies in the face of the ridiculous "they withheld the content!" conspiracy theories. The only possible reason they would secretly develop both DLC episodes to launch with the disc-based core game would be to include them on the disc and to hide them and "unlock" them with the DLC (again, some companies actually do this), and if this happened some hacker or modder would find them.

 

Furthermore, if the game was ready before and was being withheld there would be no delays whatsoever. This II Joseph X II psycho claims "The Lost and Damned" AND the second episode were ready back in April when GTAIV launched. Why Rockstar would delay finished content from November to February is beyond me.

 

Maybe it's just to fool everyone but II Joseph X II, he's the only one that knows what's really going on.

 

In all seriousness, everything points to this being something that wasn't ready at launch, to this being something that Rockstar has been developing all this time leading up to the DLC launch. Again, Rockstar had no reason to complete this content at launch since they were never going to release it at launch. They also have no reason to just sit around with their thumbs in their asses in the months between April '08 and February '09. To suggest they haven't been working on this content is just batsh*t insane.

 

Microsoft and Rockstar announced that this content was coming a full 2 years before GTAIV launched. They knew it didn't need to be ready in April of '08. All of us knew it didn't need to be ready in April of '08 and it's stupid to think Rockstar rushed to have it ready by April of '08.

 

They delivered a full game in April of '08 with like 60 hours of gameplay. That in and of itself is enough. If you took someone who was deserted on a desert island shortly after the release of "San Andreas" and locked him in a room with a PS3 and a copy of GTAIV he would have no complaints.

 

PS3 owners got a full game and 360 owners got a full game and are getting more content making it a fuller game.

 

That's the reality of the situation but you're inevitably going to have PS3 owners who feel they're being left out and that's where all this nonsense about withholding content is coming from.

 

Christ, if it's not one thing it's another. First the "OMG ITZ NOT EXCLUSIV!" wishful thinking sh*t, then the "MICROSOFT IS EVEL AN SONY LUVS US ALL!" hilarity, then all the "lol who carez bikers r gay sakboy is cool" denial and now this "CONSPERISY!" bullsh*t. I'm not saying all PS3 owners are annoying trolls who are borderline-retarded and certifiably insane but it seems like all the borderline-retarded and certifiably-insane posts come from PS3 users. It's like missing out on these two DLC episodes is the most traumatic thing they've ever experienced.

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There was a timeframe before the 6 month delay, I beleive it was something on the lines of Ep1 in Q4 08 and Ep2 in early 09, but obviously this got pushed along with IV. DLC releases were always distanced from IV from the time it was announced.

 

What Joseph was saying is that the DLC was most likely almost complete bar patches and testing etc, which I would agree with basically. That isnt saying it was complete and ready to go and they held it back, there is always work to be done up until its live.

 

Also, when people are suspicious that content was held back, myself included, its more the little things that ring alarm bells. For example, if we see Bean Machine and the Games Arcade (remember that huge hint from the early promo screens??) suddenly usuable in DLC, then yes we will know that stuff was held back to milk the final product.

 

PS Im a 360 owner but I can still see where PS3 owners are coming from, and its just a case of GTA becoming bigger than the sum of its parts, and its turned into a corporate cash cow.

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GuruAskew

 

What Joseph was saying is that the DLC was most likely almost complete bar patches and testing etc, which I would agree with basically. That isnt saying it was complete and ready to go and they held it back, there is always work to be done up until its live.

 

Also, when people are suspicious that content was held back, myself included,

 

This really says it all. Your alien avatar doesn't help things.

 

There's a certain psychology to crazy conspiracy theorists. The most obvious common-sense answer is never right. There's always some evil under-handed plan that only the conspiracy theorist can expose.

 

Now that there are two of them who believe this nonsense they will feed off of each other. One validates the other. Fortunately that only applies to the two of them.

 

We're just sheep though and we should be thankful that they're out there fighting the good fight and looking out for us.

 

Keep shining your spotlight on the corporate corruption, guys! You'll expose the truth eventually!

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CookPassBabtridge

The only 'crazy' thing ive read for a while is your multi-page 360 fanboy 50mil rant. Microsoft are not in the games business because they love GTA and theyre kind to all their customers, they are in it to flex their financial muscle and milk whatever profits they can. Which is great for them, and they obviously have killer business ideas. But when customers start feeling ripped off they will read between the lines a bit more.

 

Take down your Bill Gates poster mate icon14.gif

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GuruAskew

 

The only 'crazy' thing ive read for a while is your multi-page 360 fanboy 50mil rant. Microsoft are not in the games business because they love GTA and theyre kind to all their customers, they are in it to flex their financial muscle and milk whatever profits they can. Which is great for them, and they obviously have killer business ideas. But when customers start feeling ripped off they will read between the lines a bit more.

 

There's a world of difference between a handful of PS3 owners thinking that Rockstar developed 2 full expansions far earlier than they needed to for no reason whatsoever just because they "start feeling ripped off" and that actually being true.

 

Again, Rockstar and Microsoft had no reason to finish these episodes early and sit on them. It's absolutely absurd. There isn't a single reason why they would do that in the first place. Furthermore, to believe this nonsense you have to believe that Rockstar developed 3 full "campaigns" (which would be a first for the series) and then Microsoft just came around and said "cut those out and we'll release them later."

 

Simply put, you cannot create a rational scenario in which Rockstar developed this content a year ago and has just been sitting on it. Period. You can try all you want but you just keep making yourself look like a nutcase. They knew they wouldn't need to have this content out by April of '08 for years and they've had months and months to develop it since April of '08 and for that reason (reason, something you two have trouble with) it goes without saying that this content wasn't ready at launch, it wasn't ever intended to launch with the game and it's always been developed for DLC.

 

 

Take down your Bill Gates poster mate

 

I'll take down my Bill Gates poster when you burn your stack of books about how JFK and Osama bin Laden are really alien lizard people who orchestrated the sinking of the Titanic. It's so obvious if you open your eyes! f*ck the mainstream media! LIES!

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Darkgamr

Also the files in the PC version list only names no actual content. Therefore, its not hidden content, just planned content. How does everyone mistake planned and finished-but-withheld-for-a-conspiracy mixed up?

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GuruAskew

 

How does everyone mistake planned and finished-but-withheld-for-a-conspiracy mixed up? 

 

Because there are certain people who have a psychological bias towards things like conspiracy. The whole conspiracy theory movement is based on this stuff. Notice that this guy doesn't deny that he's into conspiracy theories.

 

Certain people just automatically distrust the "official" story and gravitate towards ridiculous theories. It empowers them, it makes them feel like they're pulling back the curtain on something insidious. On top of that, conspiracy theories are generally just more interesting than reality. If you were writing a movie what would be more entertaining: a crazy loser killing a president with a crappy $25 rifle or an impossibly-convoluted conspiracy that spreads through every facet of government like a cancer? I mean, one is far more interesting but that doesn't make it true. There's a reason why there's such a massive amount of overlap between conspiracy theorist and sci-fi/fantasy nerds.

 

It's this same psychology that causes people to picture Sam Houser and Bill Gates cackling maniacally as they've been sitting around playing "The Lost and Damned" and the 2nd DLC episodes for the past 10 months while drinking martinis made out of PS3 owners tears, and god damn it, these two nuts are the ones who are going to open all our eyes to this!

 

We'll riot in the streets!

 

But again, some common sense will tell you that the DLC deal was made with a timeframe and is delivered via a method that allowed Rockstar to take their time with the basic GTAIV game and has allowed them to focus on the additional content in the months since then.

 

Not a great story by any stretch but it sure makes sense.

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notoriousash
Sam Houser and Bill Gates cackling maniacally as they've been sitting around playing "The Lost and Damned" and the 2nd DLC episodes for the past 10 months while drinking martinis made out of PS3 owners tears

I knew it!! sneaky2.gif

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GuruAskew

 

he says off the record it is already confirmed PS3 and PC will get package but maybe 2Q's or 3 months later..

 

 

What, some no-name Dutch loser spreads the same desperate wishful-thinking bullsh*t all the other non-360 owners are sh*tting out and you act like it's been officially announced?

 

I'll tell you off the record that it's not coming out on PS3 or PC. That's no more credible than this guy but at least it's in English.

 

You spend enough time you'll find a website in some foreign language confirming anything you want.

 

You have to laugh.

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If anyone deserves a cookie for explaining the current GTA4 episodes situation, it’s you GuruAskew (so here’s your cookie cookie.gif )

I just want to make a few short points

Sony had exclusive rights to “Liberty City Stories” and “Vice City Stories”, which were basically two exclusive episodes to the previous GTA games “GTA3” and “GTA Vice City”.

They were only released on the psp and later on the ps2 (I bought the ps2 versions and in my opinion Vice City Stories, has to be one of the best games in the GTA series)

The same can be said for Nintendo, with “Gta Advance” and “Chinatown Wars”.

Now Microsoft has joined in on the fun and has ensured two exclusives episodes for its console, and this seems to be pissing people off more than when Sony and Nintendo did it.

I know Microsoft is seen as some demonic company and for Sony as some sort of an angle ... But honestly they are all bad as each other and they didn’t become rich by doing charity.

Anyway getting back to the point, M$ paid 50 million for two exclusive episodes for their console because they want to increase the number of there xbox live customers (hey it worked on me),

and R* makes a easy 50 million plus gta4 episodes sales on top of that.

 

To PS3 Users :If you don’t have an Xbox 360, I am sure at least one of your mates has one and is willing to allow you to play the new gta4 episodes ?

monocle.gif Unless you don’t like socializing with people that have a different gaming console preference then you .

 

(I am a PC gamer by the way but bought a xbox360 for Gta4 and Fable (and mafia2 when ever that comes out icon14.gif ))

 

 

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Foppezão

 

he says off the record it is already confirmed PS3 and PC will get package but maybe 2Q's or 3 months later..

 

 

What, some no-name Dutch loser spreads the same desperate wishful-thinking bullsh*t all the other non-360 owners are sh*tting out and you act like it's been officially announced?

 

I'll tell you off the record that it's not coming out on PS3 or PC. That's no more credible than this guy but at least it's in English.

 

You spend enough time you'll find a website in some foreign language confirming anything you want.

 

You have to laugh.

well it was more for the Dutch/Belgium members here, so you dont have to look at it or respond to my post..

But actually that show is our most trustworthy game show on national tv[and in Flanders Belgium]..that bald guy in the middle Boris told this season in an episode about GTA4 on the PC he has an acquaintance inside R* called Onno who keeps him updated..[i can look the episode up for you but you probably only speak english], so i believe him more then you..

If you dont like this news, well then i am sorry..

 

 

edit

http://www.gamekings.tv/index/videos/einde...n-ghostbusters/

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pinky
Also the files in the PC version list only names no actual content. Therefore, its not hidden content, just planned content. How does everyone mistake planned and finished-but-withheld-for-a-conspiracy mixed up?

Because there are actual models and items and not just file names. wink.gif

Some of these would be incomplete items and others deactivated, mostly because the Xbox's inferior disk storage wouldn't allow it and then Bill chucked R* $50mil to make sure both PS3 and Xbox had the same content. This would have been a wise idea because it would have cost MS more if people realised the PS3 version had more content, now it has been swung the other way and the Xbox is getting favoured first.

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GuruAskew

 

well it was more for the Dutch/Belgium members here, so you dont have to look at it or respond to my post..

But actually that show is our most trustworthy game show on national tv..that bald guy in the middle Boris told this season in an episode about GTA4 on the PC he has an acquaintance inside R* called Onno who keeps him updated..[i can look the episode up for you but you probably only speak english], so i believe him more then you..

If you dont like this news, well then i am sorry..

 

 

Well just so long as you understand that this info flies in the face of everything that is known (not to mention common sense) and comes from someone with no credible connection to Rockstar.

 

Again, you can find someone who supports your wishful thinking if you look long and hard enough but that doesn't mean the info is legit.

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JOSEPH X

GuruAskew...can you not get it into your thick skull that thousands of GTA fans, on both platforms, are very disappointed with GTA IV? And the main gripe is a lack of things to do after 100% completion of the game.

 

This generation of consoles has a far greater capacity than the last, so why is it there is more to do in SA. I`ll tell you why. DLC, as simple as that.

 

Who knows? maybe there will be even less to do after 100% completion of Lost and Damned, in which case these fans will be even more disappointed and Rockstar will just look like a bunch of rip-off merchants. We are talking nearly £90 for what is one story (drugs `n` diamonds) albeit with three main characters.

 

So don`t come with the conspiracy accusations crap, it just shows to everyone you can`t argue your point without juvenile mud-slinging.

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GuruAskew...can you not get it into your thick skull that thousands of GTA fans, on both platforms, are very disappointed with GTA IV? And the main gripe is a lack of things to do after 100% completion of the game.

 

This generation of consoles has a far greater capacity than the last, so why is it there is more to do in SA. I`ll tell you why. DLC, as simple as that.

 

Who knows? maybe there will be even less to do after 100% completion of Lost and Damned, in which case these fans will be even more disappointed and Rockstar will just look like a bunch of rip-off merchants. We are talking nearly £90 for what is one story (drugs `n` diamonds) albeit with three main characters.

 

So don`t come with the conspiracy accusations crap, it just shows to everyone you can`t argue your point without juvenile mud-slinging.

I'm looking forward to it. I found much to do after finishing GTA.

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GuruAskew

 

And the main gripe is a lack of things to do after 100% completion of the game.

 

GTAIV has multiplayer so it has far more to do post-100% than any other GTA game.

 

Really there shouldn't be anything to do after 100% completion. I never saw the point in things like unique jumps, gold medals and dating to be optional in San Andreas.

 

In any case, you finish a game when you finish regardless of what is designated "100%" by Rockstar and there was as much to do in GTAIV as the other games, if not more, and next month there will be even more for us 360 owners and then we'll get even more after that and it's obviously upsetting you.

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This generation of consoles has a far greater capacity than the last, so why is it there is more to do in SA. I`ll tell you why. DLC, as simple as that.

 

Or maybe because they decided to take the game in a new direction, and didn't feel like the features from SA fit in with that direction?

 

Or maybe they thought, like myself and many others, that most of the features in SA got boring as hell after a while (or where already boring to start with)?

 

Or maybe because they had to work on new hardware/technology and was focusing more on other aspects of the game (like story, characters, multiplayer, graphics, euphoria or whatever), and just didn't have time to come up with and implement new features that fit in with the new direction the game was taking?

 

I'm sure there's plenty more "maybe's" for why SA had more features than IV.

 

And another thing, name one GTA that had TWO (actually it might even be THREE) playable characters with TWO (or THREE?) different stories. Exactly, there isn't one.

So they didn't really remove that from the game just so they could put it in the DLC's, now did they?

 

 

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Also the files in the PC version list only names no actual content. Therefore, its not hidden content, just planned content. How does everyone mistake planned and finished-but-withheld-for-a-conspiracy mixed up?

Because there are actual models and items and not just file names. wink.gif

Some of these would be incomplete items and others deactivated, mostly because the Xbox's inferior disk storage wouldn't allow it and then Bill chucked R* $50mil to make sure both PS3 and Xbox had the same content. This would have been a wise idea because it would have cost MS more if people realised the PS3 version had more content, now it has been swung the other way and the Xbox is getting favoured first.

Ah, so what I said was 100% wrong. Thanks for not being an asshole about it smile.gif I know most people here would rub my face in it, but thanks dude.

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When you think if it wasn't for Playstation Rockstar wouldn't be were they are today! anyone else agree.

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GuruAskew

 

When you think if it wasn't for Playstation Rockstar wouldn't be were they are today! anyone else agree.

 

and if it wasn't for Rockstar Playstation wouldn't be here today, and if it wasn't for PC GTA never would have made it to the PS2, and if it wasn't for Microsoft they wouldn't have about 66% of the current GTA sales.

 

It's a business. The decision to do exclusive DLC is a business decision. Microsoft is doing a lot better in terms of the video game business than Sony is. That's a fact. Maybe next generation Sony will recover like Nintendo did and leave Microsoft in the dust and maybe then they'll be in a position to get their own exclusive.

 

All this fanboyism needs to stop. You'll save yourself a lot of heartache if you just go with whoever is doing the best job rather than feeling "loyal" to a failing company due to their glory days.

 

I mean, seriously, do you think whoever was in charge of the $50 million DLC deal was crying any tears about their ol' Sony buddies as they signed that contract? Hell no. Rockstar made the games that put PS2 on the map and it was Microsoft who opted to reward them for their success.

 

It's a business, not a charity, though Sony could obviously use a little charity.

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KA D'ARGO
When you think if it wasn't for Playstation Rockstar wouldn't be were they are today! anyone else agree.

Strongly agreed but it's just too bad we're not getting the dlc and thats that. We knew the score but we chose PS3 anyway. I don't regret my purchase and after all, it's only a game isn't it

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MadBullBunny

You GTA fan boys are obviously all just.... Well I'll be nice. I've always been a GTA fan, but they been for PlayStation all the way. They won't dogged PlayStation out now when they just created something epic. I'm, but you xbox console users need to face the facts. Any pro game creator, I mean guys over in japan creating awesome games will tell you xbox is a toy. It a console and won't get any better then it is now unless microsoft keep releasing newer and better xboxs f*cking up people who have older models. The PS3 is a computer. It can do many things just no one has started to use that power yet. This really has nothing to do with GTA, but you guys saying PS3 sucks well. I salute you for having an xbox because thats just ballsy... Getting something thats already outdated then say its the best...

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GuruAskew

It's funny, Sony made a much stronger system spec-wise but then they f*cked it up by making it notoriously difficult to develop for.

 

As it stands the technical superiority of the PS3 is an abstract concept and you have games like GTAIV where the difference is practically non-existent and games like the upcoming "Resident Evil 5" where the consensus is that the 360 version looks better. That's right, a Japanese game.

 

Furthermore, the technical superiority of the SNES didn't kill the Genesis, the technical superiority of the Xbox didn't kill the PS2 and the technical superiority of the PS3 and Xbox 360 both haven't killed the Wii.

 

With its poor game selection, primative online service and antiquated controller the components that make the PS3 technically superior on paper might as well be sitting in a box at Sony's warehouse for all they've done to enhance actual games.

 

I'd personally rather have a game like "Gears of War 2" push my system to it's limits than have a bunch of forgettable PS3 games that never even come close to utilizing the system's supposed "potential".

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KA D'ARGO

How many SCE press releases use the word 'potential' ?

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It's funny, Sony made a much stronger system spec-wise but then they f*cked it up by making it notoriously difficult to develop for.

 

As it stands the technical superiority of the PS3 is an abstract concept and you have games like GTAIV where the difference is practically non-existent and games like the upcoming "Resident Evil 5" where the consensus is that the 360 version looks better. That's right, a Japanese game.

 

Furthermore, the technical superiority of the SNES didn't kill the Genesis, the technical superiority of the Xbox didn't kill the PS2 and the technical superiority of the PS3 and Xbox 360 both haven't killed the Wii.

 

With its poor game selection, primative online service and antiquated controller the components that make the PS3 technically superior on paper might as well be sitting in a box at Sony's warehouse for all they've done to enhance actual games.

 

I'd personally rather have a game like "Gears of War 2" push my system to it's limits than have a bunch of forgettable PS3 games that never even come close to utilizing the system's supposed "potential".

It's funny that video game developers are understanding how to use blu ray. Also what is funny is that some of the more recent games look better on the ps3 then on the 360. And saying you would rather have gears instead of having games that won't reach to ps3's potential is pure and utter bollocks. Wait till killzone 2's release. Then hopefully, you will see the light.

Now seriously, how does this have anything to do with DLC? I am sorry for acting like a fanboy, but you act like you are working for microsoft. You are trying to prove that the 360 is better. Gets annoying.

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GuruAskew

 

Now seriously, how does this have anything to do with DLC? I am sorry for acting like a fanboy, but you act like you are working for microsoft. You are trying to prove that the 360 is better. Gets annoying.

 

Well by this logic we shouldn't even be talking about PS3 because the DLC is Xbox Live-exclusive.

 

So yeah, stop talking about PS3.

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I love being a 360 owner biggrin.gif.

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GuruAskew
I love being a 360 owner biggrin.gif.

I know. As annoying as it is to see PS3 owners being either bitter, immature or in full-blown denial mode it is actually a very good feeling knowing that the makers of our chosen system are making the right decisions and bringing us the content we want.

 

We'll be playing "The Lost and Damned" exactly 4 weeks from today. You can't beat that.

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Whats the point lol

 

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