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sidny01

ps3 and DLC

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Jimbo85
Microsoft paid $50 million to ensure that PS3 owners will never get the first two episode packs. Accept it, fanboys, and move on.

 

If there's a third episode pack there's nothing keeping it off PS3 but unless Sony coughs up money for their own exclusive DLC it will be available to both PS3 and Xbox 360 owners. I'd imagine that Microsoft's deal probably includes something that prohibits them from turning around and dealing with Sony.

 

So, this is the reality of the situation:

 

Episode pack #1 (The Lost and Damned) Xbox 360 only. EVER.

Episode pack #2: Xbox 360 only. EVER.

Episode pack #3: nobody knows if there will be a third pack but Microsoft's deal only covers 2. There is no Sony exclusivity deal so it could possibly be on both but again, there's nothing suggesting there will be more than 2.

 

But again, PS3 owners, you're not getting this content, and all the desperate online "wishful thiking" posts in the world aren't going to make up for the $50 million Microsoft paid to deprive you of playing this expansion.

You, sir, are making assumptions of your own!

 

unless you either work for R* or MS, there is no way you know the nitty gritty of the $50million contract.... for all you know it is a timed exclusive and the following fall you will start seeing ads for lost and the damned - PS3 version.

 

For all you know R* already have something planned for everyone. small but for everyone.

 

There are so many ways that contract could have been made for the "exclusive" (notice the inverted commas - as exclusive in the industry is a very fine line) content to be on the 360 by a certain time and be exclusive for a certain time limit.

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Jimbo85
$50,000,000

Everyone is making out MS spent their last 50 mill on R*'s "EXCLUSIVE" content.

 

You do realise that 50 million dollars may seem like more than anyone on this forum will ever see, but to MS 50 mill is their head office A4 paper bill per year. I would imagine it isn't a lot of money to a company that turnsover a few million a day!

 

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LitoBX

 

$50,000,000

R*'s "EXCLUSIVE" content.

 

 

ARE YOU DAFT? IT'S NOT ROCKSTARS CONTENT. MICROSOFT PAID TO HAVE IT MADE. THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE'S TRYING TO TELL YOU f*ckING ASS HEADS. JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY MOTHER f*ckING TITTY SPRINKLES GOD DAMN.

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GuruAskew

 

Everyone is making out MS spent their last 50 mill on R*'s "EXCLUSIVE" content.

 

You do realise that 50 million dollars may seem like more than anyone on this forum will ever see, but to MS 50 mill is their head office A4 paper bill per year. I would imagine it isn't a lot of money to a company that turnsover a few million a day!

 

The fact that Microsoft has a lot of money doesn't devalue $50 million.

 

It's not like Bill Gates walks into a coffee shop and pays whatever he has in his pocket for a cup of coffee.

 

They still know the value of a dollar (or fifty million of them) and they didn't just throw that money at Rockstar for a deal that was otherwise small potatoes. You don't get the kind of money Microsoft has by making foolish investments.

 

It's the most money anyone's ever spent on DLC (and I've never heard of that kind of money being spent to secure entire video games, for that matter) and again, you can rest assured that Microsoft got some sort of unprecedented exclusivity in exchange for the unprecedented amount of money they forked over to Rockstar.

 

Why that is such a hard concept for PS3 owners to grasp is beyond me.

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Dnero

haha, wouldn't the 360 people get pissed if Sony & Rockstar are already making a DLC too for PS3 quietly without any of the press to know it, and it would be released the same day as the release of 360's TLAD... sly.gif

 

i'm just sayin'... LOL lol.gif

 

yea i know that ain't happenin'. I still hope the PS3 version gets some of the DLC not all of it.. smile.gif

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mikesta

Ok I'll repost an old post I typed up recently

 

Ok, there's a time where these types of topics needs to come to an end. It's annoying to come to these forums and read about how R* should of made "Lost and Damned" for every console. Hundreds of people gave the right reasons, but nobody is smart enough to accept them/

 

Microsoft paid FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS to Rockstar so they can create exclusive content for the Xbox 360. Microsoft paid R* to make the 2 episodic content.

 

Rockstar didn't have the episodic content in mind while (I believe) developing the game until Microsoft offered them a whopping 50 million (GTA4 took 100 million to make) to make the exclusive content. Microsoft paid it to be exclusive, so it will never be available for the Playstation 3.

 

Rockstar and Microsoft probably made a contract to make the downloadable content rightfully exclusive for the 360 only. Paying to make exclusive content for the 360 was a smart move for Microsoft, because it ensured people would buy 360s.

Drawing Conclusions: Microsoft rightfully paid Rockstar 50 million dollars to make a 360-exclusive content. Rockstar has nothing against SONY, Microsoft rightfully Rockstar for exclusive content (how many times did i say this so far?..)

 

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Justin

 

Why that is such a hard concept for PS3 owners to grasp is beyond me.

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You're making such sweeping generalisations regarding PS3 owners that it's getting tiresome. Your signature does nothing to convince me that you aren't in fact quite the 360 fanboy. The argument rages because there's two extremes. If PS3 owners were the only ones at fault as you're suggesting then this topic wouldn't exist. There's PS3 fanboys who are blindly convinced that they'll get the DLC packs and 360 fanboys (such as yourself) who are intent on convincing themselves and coercing everyone else into believing that they know the ins and outs of the contract between Microsoft and Rockstar. The intelligent bystander sits somewhere roughly in the middle - not naive enough to completely rule out a timed exclusive, nor enough to be confident in seeing the packs come to PS3 in the immediate future. Fact is that we really will have to wait and see. Opinions may be discussed ad nauseum, but no one can truly claim to know exactly what will happen.

 

Personally I think that the episodic packs Microsoft paid $50 million for will be 360 exclusive, but that there will be smaller, console non-specific items of DLC (ideally a silenced pistol) that will later become available, possibly for a small fee.

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LitoBX
Why that is such a hard concept for PS3 owners to grasp is beyond me.

dozingoff.gif

 

You're making such sweeping generalisations regarding PS3 owners that it's getting tiresome. Your signature does nothing to convince me that you aren't in fact quite the 360 fanboy. The argument rages because there's two extremes. If PS3 owners were the only ones at fault as you're suggesting then this topic wouldn't exist. There's PS3 fanboys who are blindly convinced that they'll get the DLC packs and 360 fanboys (such as yourself) who are intent on convincing themselves and coercing everyone else into believing that they know the ins and outs of the contract between Microsoft and Rockstar. The intelligent bystander sits somewhere roughly in the middle - not naive enough to completely rule out a timed exclusive, nor enough to be confident in seeing the packs come to PS3 in the immediate future. Fact is that we really will have to wait and see. Opinions may be discussed ad nauseum, but no one can truly claim to know exactly what will happen.

 

Personally I think that the episodic packs Microsoft paid $50 million for will be 360 exclusive, but that there will be smaller, console non-specific items of DLC (ideally a silenced pistol) that will later become available, possibly for a small fee.

Oh my Jesus. There isn't any ins and outs. Microsoft paid Rockstar to make TLAD and

also make it exclusive. TADA, THE TOPIC IS OVER! wow.gif

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GuruAskew

This is a response to that dumbass "angry PS3 owner" thread or whatever but it's locked so I'll put in my 2 cents in this one:

 

Is there any way to filter access to this forum so that you can only post here if you have your Xbox account attached to your profile?

 

If the forum software allows it I think it should be done. It would cut down on people bitching about how they can't play it on their PS3 or writing their crazy conspiracy theories about how they'll be able to.

 

Some people have both. I'm not for immediately restricting the forum for someone on the basis of a PSN account. I just think the Xbox account should be required. If you have both, fine. If not, too bad. I'm not suggesting that the forum should be locked so those without the Xbox account can't browse/lurk. I'm just saying that you shouldn't be able to post here unless you actually have access to the game.

 

Not every PS3 owner is a bitter and annoying troll who complains endlessly about the exclusive DLC but unfortunately the ones that are like that are the ones who are posting here.

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Pubicmonkey
This is a response to that dumbass "angry PS3 owner" thread or whatever but it's locked so I'll put in my 2 cents in this one:

 

Is there any way to filter access to this forum so that you can only post here if you have your Xbox account attached to your profile?

 

If the forum software allows it I think it should be done. It would cut down on people bitching about how they can't play it on their PS3 or writing their crazy conspiracy theories about how they'll be able to.

 

Some people have both. I'm not for immediately restricting the forum for someone on the basis of a PSN account. I just think the Xbox account should be required. If you have both, fine. If not, too bad. I'm not suggesting that the forum should be locked so those without the Xbox account can't browse/lurk. I'm just saying that you shouldn't be able to post here unless you actually have access to the game.

 

Not every PS3 owner is a bitter and annoying troll who complains endlessly about the exclusive DLC but unfortunately the ones that are like that are the ones who are posting here.

Yeah.. great idea dozingoff.gif That's really going to happen. This is supposed to be a community forum for GTA fans. Whether they be decent people or trolls. If they're going to ban people for complaining, maybe they should ban those who complain about the complainers, eh?

 

I don't really understand how you can say only people who own the game should have access to the forum but then say that PS3 owners shouldn't be allowed. I have a PS3 and I have access to the game. Which is it to be?

 

Sure, have us tie our Live/PSN accounts to our profiles. That could reduce the number of trolls that come here just to start arguments. It could prevent people coming back once they've been banned unless they want to go through the trouble of creating a new forum account and PSN account. But outright banning all PS3 owners is just bollocks.

 

Worst. Idea. Ever.

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GuruAskew

You didn't even read what I wrote.

 

I said you should need the Xbox one to write. If you have both PSN and Xbox Live then you would meet the requirements because you have the Xbox one. I didn't say you should restrict people on the basis of having the PSN account, just that you'd need the Xbox one to post.

 

I also didn't say you should need to own "The Lost and Damned", but if you restricted the posting so that only those that COULD buy it could post then you would eliminate the bitching by those who CAN'T.

 

If you have an Xbox account you can get the game. If you don't you can't. That's why only those with the account should be able to post here.

 

Based on your post I also think you should be required to pass a basic reading comprehension test too.

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Pubicmonkey
You didn't even read what I wrote.

 

I said you should need the Xbox one to write. If you have both PSN and Xbox Live then you would meet the requirements because you have the Xbox one. I didn't say you should restrict people on the basis of having the PSN account, just that you'd need the Xbox one to post.

 

I also didn't say you should need to own "The Lost and Damned", but if you restricted the posting so that only those that COULD buy it could post then you would eliminate the bitching by those who CAN'T.

 

If you have an Xbox account you can get the game. If you don't you can't. That's why only those with the account should be able to post here.

 

Based on your post I also think you should be required to pass a basic reading comprehension test too.

Well you should have mentioned the Lost and the Damned forum in your post. I suppose restricting posting to only Live subscribers in this forum isn't such a bad idea. But PS3 owners may still want to ask questions about the content.

 

As for not reading properly, I generally become rather bored reading your posts as they only ever seem to mention "$50 million". I don't think you've actually contributed anything useful to the forum. Your posts are all arguments with other members.

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GuruAskew

Um, we're posting in the "Lost and Damned" forum.

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Spuds725

A "Fanboy" filter would work better-- or a $50,000,000 one wink.gif

 

There is a reason they don't let the lunatics run the assylum.

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GuruAskew

 

A "Fanboy" filter would work better-- or a $50,000,000 one

 

Why should you filter out $50,000,000 when that's the huge barrier keeping this content off of the PS3?

 

I mean, you can't filter it away in real life. PS3 owners wish you could but you can't.

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GTASIX

I think PS3 is getting something, just not what the 360 is getting and 360 will be getting both.

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GuruAskew

 

I think PS3 is getting something, just not what the 360 is getting and 360 will be getting both.

 

There's no evidence to support this. I do think it's within the realm of possibility but certainly not until Rockstar delivers all of their $50 million Xbox 360 content.

 

I mean, it's not like they're going to do the first 360-exclusive expansion, release some cross-platform DLC and then do the second 360-exclusive expansion. Again, you can rest assured that Microsoft didn't leave any loopholes in their $50 million deal.

 

If you're gonna fork over $50 million you're gonna include something in that deal that prevents them from doing something comparable for their competitor, especially when the whole deal exists to deprive them of content.

 

PS3 fanboys also tend to think that Rockstar is going to turn around and give Sony DLC as soon as they're "free" of the contract too but you also need to acknowledge the fact that Sony hasn't paid them anything.

 

Even cross-platform content is going to cost Sony. It's not gonna be $50 million but it's not gonna be free, either.

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El Zilcho

This is stupid. I don't want to discriminate against playstation 3 users but the level of stupidity is huge. If a big corporation like Microsoft make a legal binding contracvt worth $50 Mil no less, there is nothing that will break that, even a $60 mil contract because it has already been agreed on. That's it. Game over (Sorry for the pun).

 

Many shows and games have been lokced into an inclusive market by such contracts (for example Halo 2 and 3 were exclusive to the Xbox platforms.) Now Rockstar has been known release things later on by porting, but not when the worlds largest software giant has payed $50 mil for it to be specifically NOT OPEN TO ANYONE BUT XBOX CUSTOMERS!

 

This in no way means that the thrid (if any) DLC won't come out for PS3, but the first two TLAD and whatever is up next will be exclusive and only available to 360 owners! That is final, it cannot be changed as it is a contract, as in totally binding and in black and whitre. No ifs or buts, I am sorry but ther is just no way. If you can't read terms as simple as these you must be mental.

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Pubicmonkey

I think these points have been argued to the death so maybe it's just time to leave it and play the waiting game. The thread was finally dying until "Guru" came along with his amazing idea.

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GuruAskew

 

This is stupid. I don't want to discriminate against playstation 3 users but the level of stupidity is huge. If a big corporation like Microsoft make a legal binding contracvt worth $50 Mil no less, there is nothing that will break that, even a $60 mil contract because it has already been agreed on. That's it. Game over (Sorry for the pun).

 

Well, if Sony was willing to pay $60 million that's what we'd be talking about. The fact of the matter is this: Sony doesn't feel that their users are interested in the content, or at least that's how they justify not shelling out the money for it. I'm sure the poor performance of the PS3 and PSP have nothing to do with it.

 

Rockstar doesn't have any pro-360 bias, they just made the deal with the highest bidder and that bidder was Microsoft . Sony was undoubtedly part of those negotiations. Sony got to their "maximum bid" and Microsoft went above and beyond that number. I guess that's one of the perks when you have a system that's actually profitable.

 

The $50 million deal no doubt excludes Sony from getting any content until Microsoft gets what they paid for and in that respect the contract won't be broken in any way that allows PS3 owners to get any additional content but again, Sony just hasn't been interested in paying in the first place.

 

 

I think these points have been argued to the death so maybe it's just time to leave it and play the waiting game.

 

No, PS3 owners will be playing the waiting game. Xbox 360 owners will be playing "The Lost and Damned".

 

You walked right into that one.

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Spuds725
I think these points have been argued to the death so maybe it's just time to leave it and play the waiting game.

 

No, PS3 owners will be playing the waiting game. Xbox 360 owners will be playing "The Lost and Damned".

 

You walked right into that one.

That was a good one...

 

 

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Foppezão

 

This is stupid. I don't want to discriminate against playstation 3 users but the level of stupidity is huge. If a big corporation like Microsoft make a legal binding contracvt worth $50 Mil no less, there is nothing that will break that, even a $60 mil contract because it has already been agreed on. That's it. Game over (Sorry for the pun).

 

Well, if Sony was willing to pay $60 million that's what we'd be talking about. The fact of the matter is this: Sony doesn't feel that their users are interested in the content, or at least that's how they justify not shelling out the money for it. I'm sure the poor performance of the PS3 and PSP have nothing to do with it.

 

Rockstar doesn't have any pro-360 bias, they just made the deal with the highest bidder and that bidder was Microsoft . Sony was undoubtedly part of those negotiations. Sony got to their "maximum bid" and Microsoft went above and beyond that number. I guess that's one of the perks when you have a system that's actually profitable.

 

The $50 million deal no doubt excludes Sony from getting any content until Microsoft gets what they paid for and in that respect the contract won't be broken in any way that allows PS3 owners to get any additional content but again, Sony just hasn't been interested in paying in the first place.

 

 

I think these points have been argued to the death so maybe it's just time to leave it and play the waiting game.

 

No, PS3 owners will be playing the waiting game. Xbox 360 owners will be playing "The Lost and Damned".

 

You walked right into that one.

I hope for you, you're getting payckeck as a MS marketing salesman, otherwise its pretty pathetic how firm you're typing all those posts behind your computer in your "spare" time...

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GuruAskew

 

I hope for you, you're getting payckeck as a MS marketing salesman, otherwise its pretty pathetic how firm you're typing all those posts behind your computer in your "spare" time...

 

No, I don't get a paycheck from Microsoft.

 

I just get to sleep easy knowing that I support a system with a great library of games from a company that aggressively acquires must-have content.

 

I don't need their money. I happily give them my money because they're doing everything right.

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I don't need their money. I happily give them my money because they're doing everything right.

 

Why are you bringing up Nintendo?? tounge.gif

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/

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LitoBX

Eight pages of nothing.

 

Microsoft paid to have The Lost and Damned made and wants it to be exclusive, there for

it will be. On the other hand, Rockstars other down loadable content that is made directly

by them will most likely be for the 360, every other console chosen and the PC.

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DavidGC

Last 8 pages =

 

PS3 - no content announced

Xbox 360 - 2 DLC packs

 

We knew this nearly a year before GTA IV's release...why are we arguing about it now?

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GuruAskew

 

Why are you bringing up Nintendo??

 

If I was an 11-year-old boy or that lady in her 50's with a cat calender at her desk I'd agree with you because that's who Nintendo is for. Focusing on the casual gaming market has been very lucrative for Nintendo and I applaud them for it. It's just not for me.

 

As a 27-year-old male who spent more time getting 100% on "GTAIV" in a week than most Wii owners will spend playing their systems as long as they own them I'm completely satisfied with the decisions Microsoft has made and the services they provide when it comes to the Xbox 360.

 

Comparing the Wii to the 360 and the PS3 is truly an apples and oranges situation.

 

Comparing the 360 and the PS3, on the other hand, is like comparing two apples.

 

One of them is bruised, rotting and has a worm in it.

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Foppezão

 

Why are you bringing up Nintendo??

 

If I was an 11-year-old boy or that lady in her 50's with a cat calender at her desk I'd agree with you because that's who Nintendo is for. Focusing on the casual gaming market has been very lucrative for Nintendo and I applaud them for it. It's just not for me.

 

As a 27-year-old male who spent more time getting 100% on "GTAIV" in a week than most Wii owners will spend playing their systems as long as they own them I'm completely satisfied with the decisions Microsoft has made and the services they provide when it comes to the Xbox 360.

 

Comparing the Wii to the 360 and the PS3 is truly an apples and oranges situation.

 

Comparing the 360 and the PS3, on the other hand, is like comparing two apples.

 

One of them is bruised, rotting and has a worm in it.

I must admit MS is doing more to pursue its goals, also in favor of their costumers then Sony about this new microcredit/DLC market. But before we have seen that agressive strategies was in the disadvantage of good companies like SUN, RealPlayer, Netscape Navigator and so..More importantly they diminished the freedom of choice of the customer.MS paid for that, i dont know of any company that has paid fines like that[490 and 280 million]..On the other hand if you are comparing the 2 systems with each other and calling the PS3 a rotting apple? Then that must be some expensive rotting aple with 8-core processor, RSX processor getting 2 teraflops and with bluelaser tech. There is a reason why its much more expensive then the 360 and not getting its price lowered...your 360 is just inferior..

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Page nine, here we come. dozingoff.gif

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