Why the hell there is still no kids or animal?

[Bitola]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

LOOK AT THE TITILE

 

Please someone explain it to me.

Because the series would end if the corporations new that Rockstar had their players shooting

kids and animals in the chest and head.

[Sniper Pilot]

I wouldn't mind animals. Children. No, just no.

Yeah, attack dogs would be cool... Children is just f***ed up....

[Sanjeem]

.........You are Sick!

 

 

[stealthboy50]

Nothing wrong with kids in the game. I for one would love to pop their little heads off.

Well you sir, are a idiot, slightly sick, and just mabey people like you in the world are why there is not kids in the game

 

On topic, dogs and cats and stuff OK! But kids just no, as HD5, i find it good that i do not know you, and wonder, do you have any freinds. As you want to do that, most likely not.

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

You all fail to realise the fact, that children being present in the game, does not necessarily mean you have to kill them. It would be up to you wouldn't it? If you think it's so sick, then just leave the little kiddies alone. I on the other hand, will push them in front of lorries and laugh

[Sanjeem]

You all fail to realise the fact, that children being present in the game, does not necessarily mean you have to kill them. It would be up to you wouldn't it? If you think it's so sick, then just leave the little kiddies alone. I on the other hand, will push them in front of lorries and laugh

*shakes his head and looks in discrace*

 

seriously! SOME people these days

[DjMiikkii]

I heard the same topic come up in a comedy show by Katt Williams

[h5d]

Actually raping people would be cool to have in GTA too, I think.  It'd be hilarious to rape children in GTA, at least I think.

Why would anyone find it hilarious to rape a child? I know it's just a video game, but come on there needs to be a line drawn, especially when it's completely un-necessary to begin with.

 

GTA gets assreamed enough as it is aka Jack Thompson. Adding the ability to rape children would put a nail in GTA's coffin.

I know people who would. I definitely would find it hilarious. I think it'd be great atypical, dark humor - just seeing a character that you control raping a child. See, I don't believe in lines. I don't believe that lines should ever be drawn. Just go back in time and ask people if it'd be ok to have a medium that shows killing elderly. You have to realize that things as a whole, in society, slowly are progressing towards more liberal. It's just the natural progression of thinking in humans. And then someone will say to me, the cliche and flawed argument that it'd be very offensive to a child that actually got raped or a person close to a child that got raped having raping children in the game. But it's a flawed thought because if you follow that way of thinking, then no offensive things at all would be allowed. Just because somewhere, someone in the world is affected by something that is in the game. You might as well create no art, for fear of offending some person. That right there is detrimental to human evolution. Well, it all boils down to that for some reason people hold children in higher regard than any other age group, and don't give a f*ck about you once you get a certain age. And when anything negative is made of children, people blow up. It's because those people just aren't thinking deep enough, they're basically not thinking, only thinking with the consensus thoughts. Yes, people will be offended by having children raping in a game, but people have always been offended at things pushing the boundaries until society comes to a point where it understands and becomes more open. It's more important to progress, hurt some, then to not hurt some, and not progress.

[Kelao]

 

consensus thoughts

This is why we can't have nice things.

[ItsMarke]

Actually raping people would be cool to have in GTA too, I think.  It'd be hilarious to rape children in GTA, at least I think.

Why would anyone find it hilarious to rape a child? I know it's just a video game, but come on there needs to be a line drawn, especially when it's completely un-necessary to begin with.

 

GTA gets assreamed enough as it is aka Jack Thompson. Adding the ability to rape children would put a nail in GTA's coffin.

I know people who would. I definitely would find it hilarious. I think it'd be great atypical, dark humor - just seeing a character that you control raping a child. See, I don't believe in lines. I don't believe that lines should ever be drawn. Just go back in time and ask people if it'd be ok to have a medium that shows killing elderly. You have to realize that things as a whole, in society, slowly are progressing towards more liberal. It's just the natural progression of thinking in humans. And then someone will say to me, the cliche and flawed argument that it'd be very offensive to a child that actually got raped or a person close to a child that got raped having raping children in the game. But it's a flawed thought because if you follow that way of thinking, then no offensive things at all would be allowed. Just because somewhere, someone in the world is affected by something that is in the game. You might as well create no art, for fear of offending some person. That right there is detrimental to human evolution. Well, it all boils down to that for some reason people hold children in higher regard than any other age group, and don't give a f*ck about you once you get a certain age. And when anything negative is made of children, people blow up. It's because those people just aren't thinking deep enough, they're basically not thinking, only thinking with the consensus thoughts. Yes, people will be offended by having children raping in a game, but people have always been offended at things pushing the boundaries until society comes to a point where it understands and becomes more open. It's more important to progress, hurt some, then to not hurt some, and not progress.

You are sick if you think that raping a child is funny.

Rapist and child molesters are the scum of the Earth

 

 

[Algonquin Assassin]

 

I know people who would.  I definitely would find it hilarious.  I think it'd be great atypical, dark humor - just seeing a character that you control raping a child.

You're one sick, sick person if you actually think that.

 

It's a stupid, and pointless idea for a game like GTA (Actually any game). Maybe you should see a shrink.

Edited November 30, 2008 by Miamivicecity

[GTA3Freak-2001]

Actually raping people would be cool to have in GTA too, I think.  It'd be hilarious to rape children in GTA, at least I think.

Why would anyone find it hilarious to rape a child? I know it's just a video game, but come on there needs to be a line drawn, especially when it's completely un-necessary to begin with.

 

GTA gets assreamed enough as it is aka Jack Thompson. Adding the ability to rape children would put a nail in GTA's coffin.

I know people who would. I definitely would find it hilarious. I think it'd be great atypical, dark humor - just seeing a character that you control raping a child. See, I don't believe in lines. I don't believe that lines should ever be drawn. Just go back in time and ask people if it'd be ok to have a medium that shows killing elderly. You have to realize that things as a whole, in society, slowly are progressing towards more liberal. It's just the natural progression of thinking in humans. And then someone will say to me, the cliche and flawed argument that it'd be very offensive to a child that actually got raped or a person close to a child that got raped having raping children in the game. But it's a flawed thought because if you follow that way of thinking, then no offensive things at all would be allowed. Just because somewhere, someone in the world is affected by something that is in the game. You might as well create no art, for fear of offending some person. That right there is detrimental to human evolution. Well, it all boils down to that for some reason people hold children in higher regard than any other age group, and don't give a f*ck about you once you get a certain age. And when anything negative is made of children, people blow up. It's because those people just aren't thinking deep enough, they're basically not thinking, only thinking with the consensus thoughts. Yes, people will be offended by having children raping in a game, but people have always been offended at things pushing the boundaries until society comes to a point where it understands and becomes more open. It's more important to progress, hurt some, then to not hurt some, and not progress.

So if it became accepted in society to I dunno, kill every pedophile, rapist and sexual deviant out there you'd be fine with me for example taking your life since anyone who finds "raping a child" perfectly fine and in fact "hilarious" is one of the three types of people I mentioned. Since its all in as you put it, progressing society right? That's your logic isn't it?

 

To have anything go, not have any morals, draw no lines?

[dkznr3]

Actually raping people would be cool to have in GTA too, I think.  It'd be hilarious to rape children in GTA, at least I think.

Why would anyone find it hilarious to rape a child? I know it's just a video game, but come on there needs to be a line drawn, especially when it's completely un-necessary to begin with.

 

GTA gets assreamed enough as it is aka Jack Thompson. Adding the ability to rape children would put a nail in GTA's coffin.

I know people who would. I definitely would find it hilarious. I think it'd be great atypical, dark humor - just seeing a character that you control raping a child. See, I don't believe in lines. I don't believe that lines should ever be drawn. Just go back in time and ask people if it'd be ok to have a medium that shows killing elderly. You have to realize that things as a whole, in society, slowly are progressing towards more liberal. It's just the natural progression of thinking in humans. And then someone will say to me, the cliche and flawed argument that it'd be very offensive to a child that actually got raped or a person close to a child that got raped having raping children in the game. But it's a flawed thought because if you follow that way of thinking, then no offensive things at all would be allowed. Just because somewhere, someone in the world is affected by something that is in the game. You might as well create no art, for fear of offending some person. That right there is detrimental to human evolution. Well, it all boils down to that for some reason people hold children in higher regard than any other age group, and don't give a f*ck about you once you get a certain age. And when anything negative is made of children, people blow up. It's because those people just aren't thinking deep enough, they're basically not thinking, only thinking with the consensus thoughts. Yes, people will be offended by having children raping in a game, but people have always been offended at things pushing the boundaries until society comes to a point where it understands and becomes more open. It's more important to progress, hurt some, then to not hurt some, and not progress.

I'm kinda amazed you wrote all of that in defense of being able to have forced sex with virtual children.

[Kelao]

The amount of short-sightedness in this thread is astonishing.

More than half the replies all mention R* going out of business, should they choose to put children and/or animals in their games.

 

Are you people really that stupid?

Many people have named countless other games that include both and none of these games have put the companies out of business. As has already been mentioned, the killing of children/animals is largely up to the player himself, unless the game requires you to perform the deed to progress.

 

This is mostly done using mission based objectives, based on the storyline of the game. And yet again, as I mentioned earlier, there's absolutely no storyline reason for any of the GTA characters to kill children, as it would go against their morales.

 

The fact that people feel fine about executing people in the game, but are outraged at the thought of killing animals (human lives should always be valued higher than animals), is simply mind-blowing.

 

 

As a final thought: Does "killing" pixels on a screen really affect you that much? If it does, you should seriously reconsider your life values and stop playing games alltogether.

[Dear x Sergio]

All I know is in GTA, running someone over with an Enforcer brings the lulz. In real life, it brings the horrors. Honestly, I would be absolutely mind-blown if something happened like that in real life. Never have I ever even thought of stuff like that outside of the game. I think that kids in the game would just make it harder on R*. Animals wouldn't be that big of a deal though.

[Hajduk]

this is my list of things how would I treat a child in GTA:

 

 

-I would train headshots on them

-I would burn them with molotov cocktails

-I would run them over with a car

 

i love that and I'm not sick I just love dark humor

[CameO73]

I still find it amazing that people actually make this distinction.

 

"No, I'm fine with killing/decapitating/running over adults ... but I draw the line at kids -- that's just sick!".

 

Why? Because a virtual kid is different from a virtual adult? Because you're scared of what you might feel when doing that ... and what that might tell you about yourself?

 

Just what does virtual killing tell you about yourself? That you like killing or that you like games (or both)?

 

Whatever ... I can finally play GTA IV myself (now that the PC version has arrived) ... with or without the kids, it'll be a bucket load of fun!

[chitoryu12]

You all fail to realise the fact, that children being present in the game, does not necessarily mean you have to kill them. It would be up to you wouldn't it? If you think it's so sick, then just leave the little kiddies alone. I on the other hand, will push them in front of lorries and laugh

*shakes his head and looks in discrace*

 

seriously! SOME people these days

Okay, then answer me this, buddy:

 

What makes killing a mass of pixels in the form of a kid different from killing a mass of pixels in the form of an adult?

[twigs2001]

 

Also - killable kids in Fallout 3! WATDAFAKSUPWITDAT?

I know killing children is disgusting, but F3 got away with killing kids in games (not that I have, I have just seen pics), too bad GTAIV won't get away with such an idea...

When i played fallout 3 and tried to shoot a kid it wudnt let me,target sort of goes grey and doesnt fire and if you do manage to pull it off the kid doesn't die just runs away,yes im sick, i shot a kid and when he lead me to his momma i shot her n raped their fridgez for milk n sh*tz +10hp OM NOM NOM

Edited November 30, 2008 by twigs2001

[amuse]

There comes a point when a game goes TOO far. Killing children is one of those taboos that none of us want to think about in a game. We're nervous and probably scared about how we would react to killing a virtual child. Would we enjoy it? Who knows. Plus all the "caring" parents would start b*tching about it.

 

"I DONT WANT MY KIDS TO KNOW THE FEELING OF KILLING OTHER KIDS!" Even though they're buying a game that is 17+ for their kids.

 

Animals on the other hand...I'd love to toss a cat at a cop [in GTA IV of course ]

 

All in all, I'd still buy GTA IV if there were children and animals just because it's.....well... Gta. What can you do.

[jacemc]

You all fail to realise the fact, that children being present in the game, does not necessarily mean you have to kill them. It would be up to you wouldn't it? If you think it's so sick, then just leave the little kiddies alone. I on the other hand, will push them in front of lorries and laugh

*shakes his head and looks in discrace*

 

seriously! SOME people these days

Okay, then answer me this, buddy:

 

What makes killing a mass of pixels in the form of a kid different from killing a mass of pixels in the form of an adult?

The fact that we're humans, and therefore have emotions and morals that date back thousands of years.

 

Logic doesn't solve everything. You're right, there isn't a difference between shooting at this amount of pixels and shooting at this smaller amount of pixels. The fact that one of those masses of pixels represents a child changes everything. Child killing has been one of the most vile, disgusting, cowardly crimes for thousands of years. Thinking about killing a child is still seen as horrific. No-one would give a crap if you said "Oh, but it's just pixels, who cares?". If a stranger walked past your window and saw that you were going on a rampage killing 10 year old kids in GTA, you would instantly be labelled a psycopath. That's just the way it is.

 

The way you're thinking is the way a very small fraction of people would if this became a reality. RockStar would be absolutely RAPED ('scuse the choice of word). And I know for a fact that the game would get banned in a whole lot of countries.

 

Actually, I'm pretty surprised that so many people are defending being able to kill children in a game. Why don't you just go eat your own turds while you're at it, you're already half way to being completely insane.

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

I think the point is, that people want GTA to be a realistic representation of the real world, which is certainly what they aimed for with IV. Granted, most of the time you don't even notice that children are missing, but there are times when you come to play parks and such, that it feels a bit odd that there are no kids. And as i previously pointed out. You don't have to kill the kids, you could always just leave them alone if it makes you feel uncomfortable. Personally i think killing adults in real life is morally reprehensible. But when i do it in GTA i find it funny because it isn't real. I am perfectly comfortable with that. I would also be comfortable with killing children in the game, it just wouldn't bother me because it would not be real.

 

Obviously though, GTA would almost certainly be banned

[uzi 9mm]

If there is anyone in the forum that actually wants kids in the game you are weirdo's.

 

And people who use the realism factor as an excuse for wanting them in the game, is your game really spoiled that much for being unrealistic? Complain about something else. Like Niko pulling out weapons from an invisible bag.

 

Thinking about running over a Mum and Child ain't really a good look in the game, and not really nessassery to add realism.

 

How would you feel if they added disabled people in wheelchairs?

[ItWasntMe]

 

How would you feel if they added disabled people in wheelchairs?

 

I would have to say I would like that, if only because I would want wheelchair races!

[Imotti]

Who really wants kids in videogame? I can already imagine how sick that would be and thats freaks me out.

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

 

If there is anyone in the forum that actually wants kids in the game you are weirdo's.

 

And people who use the realism factor as an excuse for wanting them in the game, is your game really spoiled that much for being unrealistic? Complain about something else. Like Niko pulling out weapons from an invisible bag.

 

Thinking about running over a Mum and Child ain't really a good look in the game, and not really nessassery to add realism.

 

How would you feel if they added disabled people in wheelchairs?

I would feel completely neutral about it, just as i do when i run over old ladies.

 

But no my game isn't spoiled by lacking realism. But as i said, it is occasionally noticeable that there are no kids or animals. I was merely answering the people who claim that it would add nothing to the game. Yes they're right, but adding half the crap they added in IV adds little to the game. Yet they added it because they were going for a "Living, breathing city"

 

 

[oldage]

Who really wants kids in videogame? I can already imagine how sick that would be and thats freaks me out.

You have kids in I love Katamari, you even glue them to your ball to make it bigger!

So disgusting

[chitoryu12]

The fact that we're humans, and therefore have emotions and morals that date back thousands of years.

 

Logic doesn't solve everything. You're right, there isn't a difference between shooting at this amount of pixels and shooting at this smaller amount of pixels. The fact that one of those masses of pixels represents a child changes everything. Child killing has been one of the most vile, disgusting, cowardly crimes for thousands of years. Thinking about killing a child is still seen as horrific. No-one would give a crap if you said "Oh, but it's just pixels, who cares?". If a stranger walked past your window and saw that you were going on a rampage killing 10 year old kids in GTA, you would instantly be labelled a psycopath. That's just the way it is.

 

The way you're thinking is the way a very small fraction of people would if this became a reality. RockStar would be absolutely RAPED ('scuse the choice of word). And I know for a fact that the game would get banned in a whole lot of countries.

 

Actually, I'm pretty surprised that so many people are defending being able to kill children in a game. Why don't you just go eat your own turds while you're at it, you're already half way to being completely insane.

 

The fact that we're humans, and therefore have emotions and morals that date back thousands of years.

 

The same emotions and morals that keep us from killing people in real life, right?

 

 

Logic doesn't solve everything. You're right, there isn't a difference between shooting at this amount of pixels and shooting at this smaller amount of pixels. The fact that one of those masses of pixels represents a child changes everything.

 

Hardly.

 

 

Child killing has been one of the most vile, disgusting, cowardly crimes for thousands of years

 

Murder in general is one of the most vile, disgusting, cowardly crimes in history. A child is, biologically, a human in the stages of developing. No difference, especially when you're only shooting what is essentially lines of code.

 

 

Thinking about killing a child is still seen as horrific.

 

Why? Once again, what makes it so much more horrific than killing an adult? Or a teenager?

 

 

No-one would give a crap if you said "Oh, but it's just pixels, who cares?". If a stranger walked past your window and saw that you were going on a rampage killing 10 year old kids in GTA, you would instantly be labelled a psycopath. That's just the way it is.

 

Why? Why wouldn't I be labeled a psychopath for going on a rampage killing middle-aged men and women? Or the elderly? Or shooting innocent pigeons (though many New Yorkers would disagree on the "innocent" part of that)? What is the magic difference? Is there a special age when the virtual killing is seen as OK?

 

 

The way you're thinking is the way a very small fraction of people would if this became a reality. RockStar would be absolutely RAPED ('scuse the choice of word). And I know for a fact that the game would get banned in a whole lot of countries.

 

True, but that is a red herring. The arguement is about what makes killing a virtual child different from killing a virtual adult, not the results of implementing it or how many people agree with me.

 

 

Actually, I'm pretty surprised that so many people are defending being able to kill children in a game. Why don't you just go eat your own turds while you're at it, you're already half way to being completely insane.

 

Insanity is objective, so drop the goddamn "You want to kill kids! You psycho murderer!" act.

 

 

 

 

[gta-man22]

animals in new games are common and are easy to kill, just look at this:

Far Cry 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaRA6B6E1Ow

 

i really hate that animals are in video games, but since you not are FORCED to kill them i have no problem. (well the flying rats are different)

 

In gta you are FORCED to kill people, if you dont kill people you just dont progrees in the game.

 

[Algonquin Assassin]

Delete please.

Edited December 2, 2008 by Miamivicecity