It's about time...

[Rickzu]

 

"Elitist bullsh*t"? Please, point to one point in my post that  was biased or just shut the f*ck up. Please.

 

I guess it was a bit exaggerated, it's just that general attitude of your post. It is possible to make an argument without calling the consoles a huge pile of useless junk.

 

I can understand where you're coming from, but let's keep it civil shall we?

 

I never did type "bullsh*t*" in my post either

[mkey82]

"Elitist bullsh*t"? Please, point to one point in my post that  was biased or just shut the f*ck up. Please.

 

I guess it was a bit exaggerated, it's just that general attitude of your post. It is possible to make an argument without calling the consoles a huge pile of useless junk.

 

I can understand where you're coming from, but let's keep it civil shall we?

 

I never did type "bullsh*t*" in my post either

I hope you will notice I edited my post, but I wasn't fast enough I have this problem, not reading properly sometimes (working on it).

 

I got a bit overzealous, but if you go through my post, you'll see

 

 

This being said, I don't deny people's rights to play the way they want to play.

I have never tried to "convert" someone and put down the console to an even lower level that it actually resides. People have the right to play they want to, as it should always be. Hence so much disdain among PC gamers when some of PC titles get stolen, rehashed and destroyed for everyone.

 

People, however, don't have the right to talk sh*t about PC (when in fact they now nothing about it). That is, they don't have the right to do so without me trying to correct them . This is why I get a bit bitchy when someone calls me "elitist" (what does that even mean?) as I try to keep level of bullsh*t in my posts to lowest level possible.

[Rickzu]

 

People, however, don't have the right to talk sh*t about PC (when in fact they now nothing about it).

 

In this case you need to demonstrate. My roommate somehow got the idea his 360 is more powerfull than my PC because it's "built for gaming"...showing off a bit of Crysis silenced him up

 

Also the fact that he probably won't be playing Elder Scrolls V because it will run on Cryengine2, which is too heavy for consoles to handle, not to mention Bethesda has threatened to make it the most amazing game ever graphics vise(You know that little moment when someone's hope dies...damn I love it, you can see it from their face).

 

 

I get a bit bitchy when someone calls me "elitist" (what does that even mean?)

 

PC gamers call console players fanboys, console gamers call PC players elitists due to some of them being smug about getting better graphics and gameplay.

 

It doesn't necessarily mean bullsh*t*, but more how you express yourself.

 

ninja edit: Don't count on me for the TES:V info thought, I got it off of random forum.

Edited November 24, 2008 by mortal_soldier

[mkey82]

Bethesda has threatened to make it the most amazing game ever graphics vise

More of that elitist crap coming up . I don't believe Bethesda is capable of doing something like that. They said it themselves, they are "console gamers now".

 

Also, if elitist is an exact opposite of fanboy, then I definitely am one. Fanboys will often spout utter rubbish over something they know nothing about while treating PC gaming as a rabid beast (i.e. in need to be put down). When I say that consoles are unreliable, cheap but not cost effective and offer nothing that interests me (literally NOTHING) among their exclusives I consider those to be facts, not some fanboy oral ejaculate.

 

Maybe I'm "elitist" but at least I'm not full of sh*t. Most of the time. What's wrong with wanting to game properly?

[Rickzu]

I don't believe Bethesda is capable of doing something like that. They said it themselves, they are "console gamers now".

In any case it's going to be at least two years from now. So it will be the next-next-generation.

 

I usually try to remain as neutral as possible about these things. I can't say any current-gen console offers me anything that could possibly make me buy one (with the exception of GTA4, I was really close to buying an x360 just less than a month before the announcment).

 

I have to admit some games have bugged me like MGS4, but I can live with it as soon as I get my hands on something else

[mkey82]

I have to admit some games have bugged me like MGS4, but I can live with it as soon as I get my hands on something else

Heh, had you had to endure the 50 minute ending cutscene, you wouldn't talk like that IMO this is the most complete PS3 title (of all the PS3 games I have seen) and it runs smoothly (compared to GTA IV), but the gameplay differs a bit too much from the MGS series. My friend is big MGS fan and he says that MGS3 is better.

 

My bigger issue with it are 25 to 35 minute cutscenes between chapters/missions. That just doesn't make any sense. Are you supposed to play a game or watch a movie? All in all, if it came to PC, I wouldn't play it. I would rather go through COD4 one more time.

[NecroViolator]

Without a PC the world would be dead...DEAD... (dramatizing, cue music please)

 

I would LOVE to see the Dentists or Doctors use a Xbox Joystick to write in appointments and search on Google for answers...

I would LOVE to see all the "special" effects in movies made on a Xbox or PS for your viewing pleasure...

I would LOVE to see people upgrade their Xbox/PS to something powerful, and as awesome as a REAL PC enthusiast can do as of today, with a Quad Xeon/Quad Core with 128Gig ram and SLI or better, depending on the MoBo...

 

Console players (Xbox360) have to pay to play (GOLD subscription) just to enjoy GTA IV online...Pothetic...

MS way of saying THANKS for buying "my" Xbox/Console now you still have to PAY just to enjoy the game online... We at MS DONT give a sh!t about HOW much you pay for your Internet subscription, but we offer our really, really LOW price of M$ as a monthly fee... CHEAP, buy it/pay it...

 

After you paid for all the MS crap, it is ALOT cheaper to buy a great computer and use it for many, many things more than just "joysticking" around...

[steveb07]

Simply put: Can a console do what PC's can do? Simple answer is NO ofc they can't. So why would i buy a console when i have a decent PC? well maybe cause MS and sony like to stop games from getting released on time for PC's. that would be my only reason if i would ever do that

[CharmingCharlie]

 

PC gamers call console players fanboys, console gamers call PC players elitists due to some of them being smug about getting better graphics and gameplay.

 

I am not picking on you here mortal_soldier (although it might seem like it), I just want to get something off my chest about this "Elitism" crap. I remember when the 360 and PS3 came out there were shedloads of console kiddies crowing, beating their hairless chests and generally going "ha ha your PC can't match the consoles graphically ha ha". So how come they weren't labelled "Elitist" ? Now it has been proven AGAIN that consoles cannot match the PC for graphics, gameplay and immersion all of a sudden we are "Elitist", well if stating a f*cking fact makes you Elitist then I am guilty as charged.

 

Now I have no problem with console users, I have often said a PC is not an ideal fit for everyone. I never go out to "convert" people to the PC, but I am always willing to advise people about what is their best option. In fact in many cases I have said to people that they may be better off buying a console for various reasons. I most certainly do not consider PC gamers to be superior to console gamers. I do believe PC gamers are superior to console kiddies but then what I scrape off my shoe is superior to a console kiddie.

 

I have always believed that people should be able to play games how they want to play them. If they want to play games on a console then they should be able too and naturally if someone wants to play games on the PC then fair enough. However what aggravates me about the console market is the fact that MS and Sony are doing their damnedest to stop me from playing games on the PC, they are holding titles off the PC or in some cases not allowing the games to come to the PC at all. This is all being done under the guise of "Piracy" which is a load of bollocks. Then to make matters worse you have the console kiddies cheering their companies on and actually revelling in the thought of the PC dying as a gaming system. In short I would have very little issue with console gaming were it not for the fact it is affecting my gaming experience.

 

 

 

[Rickzu]

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I totally know what you mean, and I wasn't referring to everyone. Just the selected few that go ""ha ha your console can't match the PCs graphically ha ha".

 

That's what I call elitism. Presenting facts does not fall under this category.

 

I'm not trying to support consoles here, just presenting my point of few, and attempting to remain neutral and objective while doing so. Taking the PC-goggles off so to speak

 

Personally I'm not going to touch another console, unless PC-gaming gets completely killed off. I was stuck with a PS2 for quite some time watching my friends get all the good stuff for their PCs, not doing the same mistake twice.

[noid449]

for me a console is for when ya have a few mates round and want to all play for when ya having a f*ck about and pass the controller cos ya flunked out at a game part .. for the game needs to load straight away not .. hold on i need to run this buit here and down load or connect to that and reset this .. the pc is for when im eyes deep in a game sound up maybe headfones on but mainly for when im playing alone i love both but just scream at the playstation finger sores or the xbox thumb ache being able to upgrade is important to me but each to there own

 

[divinee]

they were talking about pc GAMING not the pc

 

ps3 can go on the internet, go on this forum.

 

ps3 = free online

 

this elitsm is true.

 

the "pc graphics" are better crap is old. fun factor > graphics.

[noid449]

well pc gaming as in i like gaming on my pc

[CharmingCharlie]

they were talking about pc GAMING not the pc

 

ps3 can go on the internet, go on this forum.

 

ps3 = free online

 

this elitsm is true.

 

the "pc graphics" are better crap is old. fun factor > graphics.

Erm yeah okay big wow you can go on the internet with the PS3, can you check your email ? Can you watch videos whilst checking the internet and checking your email ? From what I hear the internet functionality is at best incredibly basic compared to the PC, it's so basic that the majority of PS3 users have the brains not to bother with it.

 

As for the PS3 having free online ? Erm yeah okay what you mean like the PC has had for well over 10 years ? I would say if any group is Elitist it is the PS3 owners. They regularly spout complete crap, talk down to xbox and PC users inspite of the fact the PS3 is pretty much the same power wise to the 360 and can't even compete with a decent PC. Yet for some reason PS3 owners have fallen hook line and sinker for the Sony crap they are fed.

 

Oh and I see you touted a typical console brigade statement with the "fun factor > graphics" yeah too bad you guys weren't saying that when your consoles launched isn't it. I clearly remember seeing lots of console kiddies proclaiming their console has the best graphics and a PC can't match their console. Now it has been proven that not only does a PC match the graphics of the consoles it sh*ts on them from high above it suddenly becomes "oh well graphics aren't important it's gameplay". It's a funny old world isn't it the way all of a sudden graphics don't matter now.

[SkapeGote]

Sup,

XBOX's, PS3's, and PC's all suck at the same thing. They do not play each others games. Beyond that, it is preference. I hear people go on about MGS4. My buddy, Dave actually, decided to bring it over one evening, and we got pretty drunk and hammered away at it. I do not know what the hype is, seemed like the game was trying to play itself. I love a good story, too bad they forgot one here. Then again, I enjoyed Diakatana multiplayer. I also think Star Control 2 and Masters of orion 2 are a few of the greatest games ever made, so maybe I am just out of date.

 

I think it comes down to software options and hardware preference. I wouldn't enjoy GTA4 on a XBOX or a PS3 becuase of auto aim. Simple as that. The last awsome game controller was the SNES controller as far as I am concerned. That doesn't mean that someone could not enjoy GTA4 with a controller, it just means I won't. I hear people say they will use it for driving... the thought makes my neck hair stand on end.

 

Play what you want, and quit arguing about. I mean seriously. Trying to argue who's is right, is much like winning 1st in a "Who has the Hottest Grand Mother" Contest. Congrats.

 

PC guys are getting what we asked for, a higher end GTA4. We have a few new options. Excellent. I am happy for the console guys getting to play it first. They deserve it. There dollars made these changes possible for us. We wait longer for a slightly improved product. Win - Win as I see it.

 

Peace,

 

Skape

[noid449]

my grandmother is so hot ...nm

[cold fusion 33]

A company rarely goes out of their way to get respect with their audience, they will almost always go to the highest payer, and that is obviously the console gamers at the moment.

 

That's just the way business is...

[steveb07]

Excellent. I am happy for the console guys getting to play it first. They deserve it. There dollars made these changes possible for us. We wait longer for a slightly improved product. Win - Win as I see it.

 

Peace,

 

Skape

Since when do console "guys" deserve it sooner? huh where u got that? I for one pay for all my PC games so i don't think we don't deserve to have it at the same time console guys have it. You know what is funny? it seems you all console guys take it for granted like you deserve games sooner because u bought a PS3 or an XBOX. guess what: we also buy PC's and hardware

[SkapeGote]

Sup,

 

I am not a console guy. I always game on my pc, most of the time. I only play consoles at buddies houses, or mine if they bring it over. The fact we are getting additions to the software is worth the wait. I have no problem getting it second, and if that point bothers people so much then don't buy it and send R* a message. As for me, I think the wait was worth it. We got to see if the game would flop, or be crappy, they have found numerous bugs I am sure. Where you are seeing t he glass as half empty, I am just seeing it as half full. Eternal optimist I guess.

 

Skape

[DML]

fun factor > graphics.

And haven't the new consoles, with their manufacturing companies' emphasis on "next-gen graphics", really secured that statement? (not)

 

Most of the games with the best playability are old games - old PC or older console games.

 

So yeah - you're right - "fun factor > graphics"....but that doesn't at-all mean that current consoles (and their marketing strategies) are better suited for gaming...if anything, it means the total opposite.

[xrk]

 

I would say if any group is Elitist it is the PS3 owners.  They regularly spout complete crap, talk down to xbox and PC users inspite of the fact the PS3 is pretty much the same power wise to the 360

Ps3 owners and 360 owners are as bad as each other in the Elitist ways

Thinking about it, some pc owners are just as bad too!

[Rachinator]

Making a good games PC takes work, knowledge and a lot of good parts compiled into a computer which you have to know how to put together unless you know somebody that can. If there was no console gaming i hate to say, games wouldn't be working very well these days. Don't get me wrong I am a proud PC gamer and would never buy a console because I have a good computer. Consoles are there for the people who either have no time to make a good computer or don't know how. Also their there for the parents who know nothing about the computers or want to save their children from the "horrors" of the internet. (LOL) But yes, console gamers are just either not adept with PC's or just too lazy to make the effort with a PC, and with these turns of events the PC gaming market slowly declines as people cant be bothered playing a PC game or making a good PC computer cos its just alot more simple to get an Xbox and cut out the waiting and frustration (for them) of making a computer and playing high end games.

[High]

 

That doesn't mean that someone could not enjoy GTA4 with a controller, it just means I won't. I hear people say they will use it for driving... the thought makes my neck hair stand on end.

Well stated.

 

this is how R* tries to alienate the PC fan base which is one thing they do without competition.

[mkey82]

they were talking about pc GAMING not the pc

 

ps3 can go on the internet, go on this forum.

 

ps3 = free online

 

this elitsm is true.

 

the "pc graphics" are better crap is old. fun factor > graphics.

You still consider yourself a PC gamer?

 

Have a

[divinee]

im just saying what i think. i dont care what you think but im saying what i think. im no fanboy and im a pc gamer whatever you say.

 

mario = best selling game franchise ever with loads of fun but not goo graphics like crysis.

 

crysis = few million sales but really nice graphics.