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The BigSlick

Niko to Johnny! How it will work

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Now we have much more better info concerning the DLC and Johnny the biker being the main charachter. That leaves us with the question, what will happen with Niko?

 

Well I was thinking about it and have a logical theory to how they will do the swap over. Obviously I wont go into a story , because I have no clue what the DLC story is. However, I think I have an idea off how Niko will be swapped over for Johnny.

 

Remember that easter egg, Niko Bellic, Liberty City to San Andreas? Well that maybe an excuse to get him out the picture. Maybe in the beggining of Johnny's story, Niko some how is linked to end up leaving for a while and heading off to San Andreas with that plane ticket? It seems like a logical theory.

 

Now we have two eposidic packs right? Now I have two theories for them. They may not be very strong, and may sound vague, but remember, we dont have THAT much info.

 

Well my first theory is this. When Johnny's story is finished, Niko arrives back to Liberty City. The final saga of IV, will be his final story, possibly relating to Bulgarin. Now this is realistic, since it is quite odd, how Bulgarin mysteriously just leaves IV in the way he did.

 

My second theory is not the strongest and not the best. But lets say after Johnny, Niko comes back. Now in that time, the second pack will be released. For the arguments sake lets say they follow the story of another charachter in IV. Niko can be excused again, with going off to Vice City with Roman (Roman texted Niko about going). However, there are problems with this theory as some people would of chosen the Deal ending. Niko may perhaps go to Vice City to relax after his late cousins death? But this will sound odd compared with the orignal theory of him going to SA for a while. Any way you get the idea this is not the best theory confused.gif

 

However the LC to SA one sounds very logical.

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MahoganyJoint

i wonder how u play the new expansion, u need to play from the IV disc to load LC

 

do u press start and acess it ther i dunno?

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Hmmm nice bike

 

Remember that easter egg, Niko Bellic, Liberty City to San Andreas? Well that maybe an excuse to get him out the picture. Maybe in the beggining of Johnny's story, Niko some how is linked to end up leaving for a while and heading off to San Andreas with that plane ticket? It seems like a logical theory. Well my first theory is this. When Johnny's story is finished, Niko arrives back to Liberty City. The final saga of IV, will be his final story, possibly relating to Bulgarin. Now this is realistic, since it is quite odd, how Bulgarin mysteriously just leaves IV in the way he did.

 

My second theory is not the strongest and not the best. But lets say after Johnny, Niko comes back. Now in that time, the second pack will be released. For the arguments sake lets say they follow the story of another character in IV. Niko can be excused again, with going off to Vice City with Roman (Roman texted Niko about going). However, there are problems with this theory as some people would of chosen the Deal ending. Niko may perhaps go to Vice City to relax after his late cousins death? But this will sound odd compared with the orignal theory of him going to SA for a while.

 

Yep, the San Andreas theory is the more logical idea if Niko goes away. Some people may not have chosen the "Deal," so how could Roman have died? Unless they came up with a new idea of him getting killed if we didn't choose the deal. But, I was also thinking of another theory (about Niko leaving), what if Niko doesn't come back to Liberty City if he leaves there, and instead we get a whole new game of Niko, being set in San Andreas?

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Anton79
i wonder how u play the new expansion, u need to play from the IV disc to load LC

 

do u press start and acess it ther i dunno?

Before it starts properly it will probably ask you which version of the game you want.

 

Then load that version.

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t3flonDon45
i wonder how u play the new expansion, u need to play from the IV disc to load LC

 

do u press start and acess it ther i dunno?

I have a guess that it might be activated through the whiz mobile(gta 4 cell phone). maybe this episode will be highlighted under something like "downloadable content" and then you click on the episode one and it loads you to Johnny. Highly doubt it, but worth a guess.

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WelcomeToLibertyCity

I think it might be something like the Scarface game, when you switched from Tony to the enforcer, driver, or assasin. One of the characters (Niko or Johnny) enters the pause menu and from there can switch to the other character.

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CarpetDweller

I don't really think you need to send Niko to another city. I'd probably handle it something like this:

 

The first time you start the game after downloading DLC you automatically begin a new game as Johnny. His story can be played out completely never seeing Niko (except in some cutscenes maybe) and finished as a single story.

Like Niko's story it would be told through missions which begin by the character walking into a marker. Like Niko, Johnny can free roam out side missions. The DLC would create new clothes in clothes shops or open new ones. Both Johnny and Niko can now buy all clothes from all unlocked shops.

 

When not on a mission you can change whether you play as Niko or Johnny in the Phone menu. The game will pick-up from that characters nearest safe house at the point you last played as them.

 

While playing as Johnny, Niko's safehouses are locked and he cannot enter them. The same goes for Johnny's homes when playing as Niko.

 

I don't know how Johnny's story will play out. The above would best lend itself to picking up after Niko's story finished, but part of me wants it to play a bit like in The Getaway games where the 2 characters' stories playout at the same time and you get to see the same events from another point of view. We'd also get to see what led to certain events seen in GTAIV and the consequences of Niko's actions that he never saw. Johnny's story could start before Niko even steps off the boat.

 

I don't think you need to have any fancy ways of getting rid of Niko for a while. It's perfectly possible for 2 people to live in the same city and never see each other. They could even give each character the other's phone number and allow them to call each other, but they're always busy and just give funny replies.

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GTA3Freak-2001

Forget story related things, Johnny's story happens during Niko's so the way I see it you'll either load up the game it will go straight to the new episode and if you want to you can go back to your Niko game through the start menu. Another idea I had was for the new Chapter to be loaded straight from the dashboard where the game would need to be installed to the HDD(thank you NXE!). So if you wanted the old Niko back you'd load the game normally but select "Lost & Damned" if you want the new episode.

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Magic_Al

In the poll thread I guessed that TLAD will appear as a completely separate game on the dashboard, along with the original GTA IV. That's the easiest way to solve all the either/or problems. It's just a second game that also requires the GTA IV disc to be in the drive.

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mrcappo

They should stick with Niko...

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RATEDR307

There should be a mission where you break Gerry McReary out of prison; I was surprised they didn't have a mission like that in the original game.

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Mafioso86

 

Johnny's story happens during Niko's

Is that confirmed? Because I was actually wondering about that... TLAD may be like the Getaway and take place at the same time and feature the two missions with Johnny (the heroin deal with Playboy and 'Charlie' and the Diamond Deal at the Libertonian) just from Johnny's perspective rather than Niko's... or it could take place after GTAIV as we don't know what happened to Johnny... or R* could do what they've done with every GTA3 sequel and make a prequel.

 

I almost think it will be a direct sequel just because Johnny was one of several things that was left open at the end of GTAIV. As far as the different endings of 4 I don't think they'll effect it. I don't think Niko would have more than a cameo in which he would appear as withdrawn guy who recently lost a friend, it won't be mentioned whether it is Roman or Kate ... which is true of either ending.

 

As far as DLC #3 is concerned I think they'll go with a different character again. Question is will it be someone we know (like Johnny), or a completely new guy? Maybe it'll be someone who has a small part in TLAD but we don't know of yet. Seeing how they're going with a 1% Biker theme this time around and they went with an Eastern European Immigrant theme last time I expect another completely fresh theme. Maybe a Black or Latino Gangbanger from Bohan or Holland? Maybe a Triad? Like the Bikers the Triads and Latino Gang were in GTAIV but didn't really have a big role in the plot. I'm leaning away from Triads just because they're already doing Chinatown Wars on the DS. Doing Black Gangsters from uptown could also be complicated because of the whole conflict of whether Dwayne or Playboy lived and which ever one did live would doubtless play a big role in that kinda story in this Liberty City ; so my prediction is a Puerto Rican guy from Bohan. I'd also love to play as Packie or maybe even Gordon or some other guy from the McReary Crew, but the deaths of Kate and Derrick/Francis would make that complicated just like the Dwayne/Playboy thing.

 

None of that matters ofcourse if they do a prequel... l cool.gif

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t3flonDon45
None of that matters ofcourse if they do a prequel... l cool.gif

Now that would be cool, like Niko's background story. That'd be pretty cool if it took place when he was in the army and working for Bulgarin. We'd really get to see all the people he smuggled and killed, and them lining up people infront of the church and...whatever Niko said devil.gif

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MC.

Nah, it's best if Johnny's story takes place during Niko's storyline because about that Niko going to Vice City/San Andreas thing, Roman probably won't get mentioned because you might have either chose Deal or Revenge.

 

@Mafioso: For DLC #3, they could make the protagonist a Dominican. There's a gang in North Holland named North Holland Dominican Drug dealers and I think that these guys would be good for a protagonist. Not much was told about them and they haven't been seen much either.

 

Willy Valerio (Leader of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. Associate of Luis)

 

Alonso Gomez (Part of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. Younger brother of Oscar and became involved in crime while his brother was in jail for dealing crack cocaine and another associate of Luis)

 

Oscar Gomez (Part of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. Older brother of Alonso and is concerned about Alonso's involvement in the criminal underworld and is also an associate of Luis)

 

Luis Fernando Lopez (personal body guard of Gay Tony and works as a doorman at Gay Tony's nightclubs. However, I'm not too sure of playing as this guy though. He was one of the hostages in "Three Leaf Clover" but he didn't fight. Although he did make the ambush at the first diamond deal in the"Museum Piece" mission.

 

For more information on these characters, you can check out the LCPD in game website.

 

www.libertycitypolice.com/database.html

 

Or they can also make a mafia DLC type. I read on the database that the Messina Crime Syndicate was once the weakest in the Commission but now they're the most dominant force in the Commission thanks to Harvey Noto. Harvey Noto is a capo of the Messinas and is plotting a murder for Mark Anthony Volpe because he thinks that Mark is working undercover as a police informant. But it's actually his brother Fredo Volpe (another Capo) who is working as the police informant.

 

The Messinas are rivals with the Gambetti family but Harvey was believed to be a close friend of Jon Gravelli. Now what I'm wondering is which guy from the mafia could make a good protagonist. There's about 2 guys that have interesting details:

 

Sonny/Sammy Botino

- Wanted For Murder in Vice City

- Believed to be Jon Gravelli's right hand man and his logical successor as head of the Gambetti Crime Family.

 

Roy Zito

- Reported to be the right hand of Jon Gravelli since Sonny/Sammy Bottino went into hiding

-Controls several legitimate businesses including a chain of dry cleaners that specialize in removing forensic evidence in clothing

-Believed to have offered one of his kidneys to the ailing Jon Gravelli in tribute. When Gravelli refused, the offer, it is reported that Zito cut the kidney out himself and gave it to the boss in a bucket of ice.

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Tony Mozzarelli 80

You can most likely just switch between them using the mobile phone. This seems the most logical assumption in my opinion

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Mafioso86
Nah, it's best if Johnny's story takes place during Niko's storyline because about that Niko going to Vice City/San Andreas thing, Roman probably won't get mentioned because you might have either chose Deal or Revenge.

 

@Mafioso: For DLC #3, they could make the protagonist a Dominican. There's a gang in North Holland named North Holland Dominican Drug dealers and I think that these guys would be good for a protagonist. Not much was told about them and they haven't been seen much either.

 

Willy Valerio (Leader of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. Associate of Luis)

 

Alonso Gomez (Part of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. Younger brother of Oscar and became involved in crime while his brother was in jail for dealing crack cocaine and another associate of Luis)

 

Oscar Gomez (Part of the Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers. Older brother of Alonso and is concerned about Alonso's involvement in the criminal underworld and is also an associate of Luis)

 

Luis Fernando Lopez (personal body guard of Gay Tony and works as a doorman at Gay Tony's nightclubs. However, I'm not too sure of playing as this guy though. He was one of the hostages in "Three Leaf Clover" but he didn't fight. Although he did make the ambush at the first diamond deal in the"Museum Piece" mission.

 

For more information on these characters, you can check out the LCPD in game website.

 

www.libertycitypolice.com/database.html

 

Or they can also make a mafia DLC type. I read on the database that the Messina Crime Syndicate was once the weakest in the Commission but now they're the most dominant force in the Commission thanks to Harvey Noto. Harvey Noto is a capo of the Messinas and is plotting a murder for Mark Anthony Volpe because he thinks that Mark is working undercover as a police informant. But it's actually his brother Fredo Volpe (another Capo) who is working as the police informant.

 

The Messinas are rivals with the Gambetti family but Harvey was believed to be a close friend of Jon Gravelli. Now what I'm wondering is which guy from the mafia could make a good protagonist. There's about 2 guys that have interesting details:

 

Sonny/Sammy Botino

- Wanted For Murder in Vice City

- Believed to be Jon Gravelli's right hand man and his logical successor as head of the Gambetti Crime Family.

 

Roy Zito

- Reported to be the right hand of Jon Gravelli since Sonny/Sammy Bottino went into hiding

-Controls several legitimate businesses including a chain of dry cleaners that specialize in removing forensic evidence in clothing

-Believed to have offered one of his kidneys to the ailing Jon Gravelli in tribute. When Gravelli refused, the offer, it is reported that Zito cut the kidney out himself and gave it to the boss in a bucket of ice.

Yeah those Dominican guys are a possibility, though one of those guys... I think Alonso, maybe Willy... was the guy that tells you where Teddy Benavidez is and you can kill him afterwards if you want, so don't think it would be him.

 

The lcpd database mentions them and the Spanish Lords who I've always assumed were the Latino gang that drives the red Primos and Cavalcades and wear yellow and black. Ofcourse the same latin gangster peds in the yellow and black (and often wearing Puerto Rican flags and stuff that says 'Boricua') were used for them and the Dominicans on that mission where you bust into Benavidez' place to take him out.

 

In regards to Luis I'm not sure that was actually him in Three Leaf Clover or just some guy that looks like him... I do remember the gun club guy asking him his name... but I don't remember whether he said Luis or not. Like you said I don't see him as a protagonist... but considering that he appears to have helped Johnny sabotage the diamond deal in Museum Piece he could be an associate of his and play a role TLAD.

 

The database also talks a lot about the Triads... I think it mentions that they supply the Lost with drugs... so maybe we'll be seeing some actual Triad characters in TLAD.

 

I don't think we'll have a Mafia centered story for DLC3 just because they had a pretty big role in GTAIV and probably will TLAD also as we saw the Lost working with the Mafia and in real life the Mafia's been known to hire out bikers for jobs. I think they'll go with something different

 

 

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MC.

OH YEAH. I understand now lol. I thought Teddy was the guy who told you the location of his ally but I know for sure the guy you're going after is definitely not Willy. Willy's profile shows that he isn't deceased but Teddy is the guy you kill and his profile will show that he is deceased. Oh so Alonso is the guy who tells you the location of Teddy. Things make so much sense now lol. So I guess I would either go for Oscar Gomez or Luis Fernando Lopez. Oscar Gomez ftw!

 

As for the "Three Leaf Clover" mission, the Liberty City Gun Club member asks Luis his name and he does say Luis. Liberty City Gun Club guy said that they can take down the robbers but Luis said it was impossible and Liberty City Gun Club guy talked about his football game basically saying nothing's impossible. Mr. Lopez was even wearing the same clothes in the 3 missions.

 

For the mafia part, the only mafia families I've seen is the Pegorinos and the Pavanos but the Pavanos leader was not seen yet. I think the leader of the Pavanos is a 60 year old woman. The Messinas and Lupisellas have not been seen in GTA: 4 yet though.

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J-Rigity

Oh yea to speculation...good times!!

 

I of course didn't expect a whole new game. Obviously it would stay in LC. I thought they would keep with Niko, but honestly, who cares! They could keep doing a new character for years until they start getting serious about GTA5. I just hope they make it hard...GTA:SA was way harder than GTA4. I never got frustrated in 4 like i used to in SA!!! Either way, rockstar knows what they are doing...lets hope they keep it up!!!

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NinjaJones

My thought are pretty much this:

 

Pack 1:

Like you said Niko goes to San Andreas while you play Johnny's portion of the story. Johnny's story will be tied up and ended while at the same time hinting at more of Niko's story involving Bulgarin. Now obviously there's the problem of the player's chosen ending conflicting with the story. Well that can be solved by giving Roman a small enough part that can be exchanged with Kate for canon's sake (a few cutscenes, dialogue, etc.) just like the last mission in the base game. This would make sence since if you choose Deal Kate says to call her...so in the packs her and Niko could be dating (or at least friends) again if you did indeed choose Deal.

 

Pack 2:

This is where it gets tricky with cannonisicity* in relation to the chosen ending. If the story follows Niko (instead of another character) Roman would need to have a larger part if he is still alive in the player's game which would mean 2 quite divided sets of cutscenes and dialogue in the pack for each ending chosen. If the player chose Revenge then Roman would need to return for the story's sake and dialogue could mention Kate's death. But if the player chose Deal then the cutscenes would have to be changed to cut out Roman and his dialogue as well as changing Niko's (and other character's) dialogue to include Roman's death.

 

 

For all I know the packs could go in a completely different direction or ignore cannon altogether but to me this seems to most logical and probably based on what we know now. Thoughts?

 

 

Also even though it's off topic i'd just like to add-->R* PLEASE include those cars as DLC for the PS3!!! The missions I don't mind missing out on new vehicles would be GREAT!!! I'd be willing to pay up to $20 just for a vehicle bundle! smile.gif

 

 

EDIT: Regarding having 2 playable characters logic seems to imply that you can switch between Niko and Johnny but I have a gut feelign that after Johnny's story you won't be able to play him anymore...also the idea just popped into my head that maybe in the end of Johnny's story he is killed. That would make a good twist especially if it's Niko that kills him.

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Jaytow

To be honest I think you will just select Nikos story or the DLC from a menu screen.

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Trooper911

I think Niko will leave because he wants to change his life from killing people in LC and he dosent like the 'American dream'

 

 

But I dont understand, the DLC will have to have options included, because if roman is still alive, how will he be out of the picture???

 

 

maybe Johnny works for roman tounge2.gif

 

 

bit too hard to discuss now tho, not enough information.

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.:Alex:.

 

Remember that easter egg, Niko Bellic, Liberty City to San Andreas? Well that maybe an excuse to get him out the picture. Maybe in the beggining of Johnny's story, Niko some how is linked to end up leaving for a while and heading off to San Andreas with that plane ticket? It seems like a logical theory.

That's actually a very good point. I forgot about that plane ticket... I'm guessing that there will be some sort of option on the phone to switch between them both. I wonder if we're stuck with the same save slots for both stories, because that might be an issue.

 

 

Pack 2:

  This is where it gets tricky with cannonisicity* in relation to the chosen ending. If the story follows Niko (instead of another character) Roman would need to have a larger part if he is still alive in the player's game which would mean 2 quite divided sets of cutscenes and dialogue in the pack for each ending chosen. If the player chose Revenge then Roman would need to return for the story's sake and dialogue could mention Kate's death. But if the player chose Deal then the cutscenes would have to be changed to cut out Roman and his dialogue as well as changing Niko's (and other character's) dialogue to include Roman's death.

Or just make Roman and Mallorie go on honeymoon, and Kate disappear completely. Simple, and problem solved. If Roman's still alive, then someone else is running the depot and can send out a free taxi.

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Mafioso86

The news page of the official site seems to suggest that The Lost and Damned will take place at the same time as Grand Theft Auto IV...

 

 

Developed by Rockstar North and set in Liberty City, The Lost and Damned features a new main character and plot that intersects with the storyline of Grand Theft Auto IV...

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Mute Giant

I can't see how people see switching between the protagonists as an issue. You download the content, you run GTA IV, and the new storyline starts up automatically. If you want to play as niko you simply load an old niko savegame. If you want to start a new game, either as niko or johnny, you select "new game" and choose between the two. No need for a mobile phone switching function or whatever...

 

As for the storylines, either they are paralelle or not, they don't have to be mixed together at all, perhaps except for those original missions where both protagonists are included. It's a big city. Niko wount have to leave the city so that johnny doesn't accidently walk into him on the street. In fact that could be an interesting new random pedestrian misson...

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GoldenJoel

Wouldn't it be awesome if Bulgarian betrayed Johnny too, and the final episode is a Co-op adventure of Niko and Johnny both gunning for him.

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MC.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Bulgarian betrayed Johnny too, and the final episode is a Co-op adventure of Niko and Johnny both gunning for him.

That is such an awesome idea. I never thought of that. icon14.gif

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NinjaJones
Remember that easter egg, Niko Bellic, Liberty City to San Andreas? Well that maybe an excuse to get him out the picture. Maybe in the beggining of Johnny's story, Niko some how is linked to end up leaving for a while and heading off to San Andreas with that plane ticket? It seems like a logical theory.

That's actually a very good point. I forgot about that plane ticket... I'm guessing that there will be some sort of option on the phone to switch between them both. I wonder if we're stuck with the same save slots for both stories, because that might be an issue.

 

 

Pack 2:

   This is where it gets tricky with cannonisicity* in relation to the chosen ending. If the story follows Niko (instead of another character) Roman would need to have a larger part if he is still alive in the player's game which would mean 2 quite divided sets of cutscenes and dialogue in the pack for each ending chosen. If the player chose Revenge then Roman would need to return for the story's sake and dialogue could mention Kate's death. But if the player chose Deal then the cutscenes would have to be changed to cut out Roman and his dialogue as well as changing Niko's (and other character's) dialogue to include Roman's death.

Or just make Roman and Mallorie go on honeymoon, and Kate disappear completely. Simple, and problem solved. If Roman's still alive, then someone else is running the depot and can send out a free taxi.

That could work too. They could be on a late honeymoon seeing as what happened at the wedding. But I honestly think that for people who Deal the DLC will make Kate date-able again.

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Rucke

It would be cool if Johnny's storyline crossing Niko's. In Johnny's story Niko is just a minor character whom he meet during two missions.

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Mafioso86
It would be cool if Johnny's storyline crossing Niko's. In Johnny's story Niko is just a minor character whom he meet during two missions.

that's what they seem to be suggesting....

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OG360

you know how niko cant call kate at the end well maybe she calls you and tells you that you should both leave the big city and go on a relaxing vacation to san andreas and so then they show them leaving the airport.....and then they focus on johnny who pics up one of his buddies from the airport at the same time niko's leaving. And then you start the new story like niko's by driving to a new savehouse.... HEY! its just a guess cool.gif

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