Personal philosophies

[TheGuyFromThere]

I write them down as I soon as i think of them and this is their format. They are not changed so as to preserve original thought.

 

Just wondering what you guys think of them... If U need me to explain further just let me know.

 

 

 

If worlds were made to end

then there would be no purpose for life

therefore the existance of our life is purely coincidental in a universe design to end

as it was not meant for creation

because life would not survive

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

 

 

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It's not the present that's important

It's the memories.

For it is memories of past which dictate who you are and who you will like and accept

Thus making the present void

As the past is all that's important.

And as you cannot dictate forward in the universe.

The void cannot be disrupted despite the present knowing its intentions.

 

[Ph3L1z14n0]

 

If worlds were made to end

then there would be no purpose for life

therefore the existance of our life is purely coincidental in a universe design to end

as it was not meant for creation

because life would not survive

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

 

The mother of all questions, certainly i've always believed that if life is gonna end, if everything is gonna be "eternal blackness" after you live, then what is the point of anything?

 

 

It's not the present that's important

It's the memories.

For it is memories of past which dictate who you are and who you will like and accept

Thus making the present void

As the past is all that's important.

And as you cannot dictate forward in the universe.

The void cannot be disrupted despite the present knowing its intentions.

 

It would seem like the ultimate truth that we are what we remember, who we know, where we've been, what we know. But take for example the classic amnesiac protagonist in movies, those cases exist in real life, yet that doesn't mean that they have no personality or no identity, or no form of particular behavior, it only means that they can't recognize stuff and remember, so in reality what matters is what you're doing at the moment, the present, how you're behaving, what you're doing, how you do it.

[Juice By Kayla Marie]

I agree with the second one.. Think the first one would be better without the god line though. Then I'd agree with it as well. They're both good philosophies though.

[Seachmall]

 

If worlds were made to end

then there would be no purpose for life

therefore the existance of our life is purely coincidental in a universe design to end

as it was not meant for creation

because life would not survive

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

I believe there is no 'purpose' to life in general other then to survive, however I feel the purpose to your life and my life is what we give it and how you we use it. Life should not be viewed as a test or a pre-life, to me that makes it null and a means to an end, it is much more than that. We only have one chance and thats it, you have to make the most of it, there is no god, no heaven and no hell. Your chance to do good and live your life is here and now, use it.

It's not the present that's important

It's the memories.

For it is memories of past which dictate who you are and who you will like and accept

Thus making the present void

As the past is all that's important.

And as you cannot dictate forward in the universe.

The void cannot be disrupted despite the present knowing its intentions.

I find that oxymoronic in a sense. To say the present is not important and its the memories that matter ignores the fact that the present is what makes the memories. Your memories are created by what you do in the present so if you value them above all else, you must, in my opinion anyway, value the present above them. I realise the paradox in that but I think it gets my point across.

 

 

 

As long as we're sharing philosophies heres one that I've been thinking about lately, and while it is probably fueld by my current stress levels (exams coming up) and probably only a phase its still interesting, here it is,

 

Whats the point?

 

I mentioned above that life is what you make it but what are you making it? Are you enjoying every moment? Are you working hard now to relax in the future? Will that future ever come? Are you making the world a better place for someone else?

 

What is the point of your life? If you're a theist, do you think doing what you're doing right now will help you get into heaven? If you're an atheist do you think what you're doing right now is worth spending this absolutly finite time on?

 

I don't have answers to any of these questions but its really put some sh*t into perspective for me. This kind of winds back to the OPs post about past, present and future. The past makes you who you are, but the present and future allow you to change that person if you're not happy with it, and if you're not maybe you should consider doing so.

[Canofceleri]

If worlds were made to end

then there would be no purpose for life

therefore the existance of our life is purely coincidental in a universe design to end

as it was not meant for creation

because life would not survive

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

 

 

Your first line pretty much gives the idea away, the second finalizes it. I was just talking to a friend tonight actually about this, because I used to think that way too. In my first years as a fully-blown Atheist I dwelled a lot on death and the transient nature of us as human animals. I felt, in finally reaching the point where I didn't believe in any supernatural thing or higher power, that life had revealed itself to me as pointless. That I didn't think of myself or other people the same anymore, disturbed by the thought that men don't hold any real virtue and that they are selfish and opportunistic animals with a nice pair of frontal lobes. As worthless as an ant.

 

But then I think I asked myself one day, what measures or decides the value of the conscious experience, whether eternal or finite, or on Earth or in "Heaven"? I embraced the subjective where before I had sought so hard to be completely objective in mind-set. I decided, while it is good to be in aware of the objective and understand and accept and use as a tool the raw numbers and the hard truths, it was foolish (and futile) to attempt to live inside that space as I had been doing. That being said, I think it was an important stage in my life, the constant philosophizing and thinking about the "big ideas"-- but it could only have been a stage.

 

You figure out what you need to figure out, keep thinking and trying to get your head around ideas and expounding upon them, but also read. Read a lot and listen to all people no matter what they sound like, and take from them what really makes sense to you if you happen to put your thinking cap on and get in the mud with them.

 

These thoughts, at least the idea that I quoted, are great to be having-- because most people I don't think really think about it in earnest. And really, all this kind of stuff I've been ranting on all night because I'm on uppers, is the most basic sh*t ever. I bet people would be much more tolerant and content if they would just be more thoughtful.

[Stefan.]

I agree with both of your statements, but I find the second one to be a tad hypocritical. You mention that memories are more important considering that they are the key events and ideas which form our personality, yet it takes the present in order to make memories. Through using memories in order to make decisions in life, you are making your own memories for use in the future. When you look at it from that sense, life is essentially based on precedents as your actions are dependent on what you did in the past, and how it's shaped you as a person.

[Machida]

If worlds were made to end

then there would be no purpose for life

therefore the existance of our life is purely coincidental in a universe design to end

as it was not meant for creation

because life would not survive

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

 

 

 

2 years before you become an alcoholic. 3 if you're lucky.

 

This is a thought most thinkers will have at some point in their lifetime. If there is a deep meaning to life then I believe it's something we are as of yet unable to comprehend. We're like shrimps in a large pond. The shrimp sees everything within that pond but it's just too small a being to be able to comprehend what is outside of that pond. We're much the same. We can see our world and that around it, but when it comes to matters outside of that, death, ending, infinity, we have no clue. We're unable to comprehend.

 

So save yourself a bother and kill this thought with beer. You hear me son? Kill it with beer.

[Ronmar The Only]

I believe that the first philosophical thought would better end like this: 'Why would (a/the) God(s) make something that is temporary?' Also you are making the assumption that the universe was made to end; besides the obvious that maybe nothing instigated the universe, what if the universe was simply began and where it ended at would be its end. In addition, our feeble lives are such an insignificant amount of time that no one life would matter. Hell, few species would matter, save for a destructive one such as ours.

 

The second thought, to me of course, is underdeveloped in some ways and in others incorrectly developed. In is true that the past helps to form how we think and act in the world, but you do not take into account people who have no past. What would craft their method of living? Second, the present would eventually become the past which means that it is valid, so your statement that the present isn't important is contradictory. Third, you can dictate to the future for one is ultimately going to response to events in a seemingly steady pattern based on who they are and therefore who you are in the present dictates who you will be in the future.

 

I'm completely at a lost for the last sentence in the second thought.

[Machida]

 

If worlds were made to end

then there would be no purpose for life

therefore the existance of our life is purely coincidental in a universe design to end

as it was not meant for creation

because life would not survive

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

 

 

 

We could also ask "Are we certain an end has no purpose?". Again an end is something we are unable to fully comprehend. A complete void of nothingness is something we can't get our heads around. But when we are able to see past an ending, in a book or a football match we see it does have a purpose. An end can change an outlook, resolve a story or deliver a final score. Yet even the outcomes an end delivers have a further purpose or consequence. A change of opinion, an outlook, a football table ect ect. . The link continues.

 

If the ending of our life is something we cannot fully comprehend then who's to say it's not just another link to something else. A death may be a final thing but somewhere down the line that death will always have some sort of purpose, something it changed.

 

Another question we could ask ourselves, "Did that change have any purpose?".

Edited November 29, 2008 by Machida

[kerouac.]

Your two philosophies directly contradict each other and here's why.

 

If the world is not temporary, than all that there is, is a boundless existence. There can be no heaven and earth, they are the same but perhaps seen through different eyes. The earth can not be temporary yet heaven infinite, as they would be part of the same system and thus they would be one.

 

That said, to live only through memory is to live a temporary existence. Memories fade in our lifetimes, they are altered by the situation (whether by drugs, trauma). Memories are also what make us "US", they are our ego because we identify them as something that is solely unique to "US".

 

But memories do not dictate the future if you do not accept them as "US" bur rather as what is. If you chose to identify with your memories than you will always be locked into a temporary existence and you are drawing a line between THEN and NOW when in truth it is all the same. If you don't identify with "who you were" and "who you will be" you just are as you are.

 

But perhaps you already know this and you are simply supplementing the "past" for the "present". I believe we may already both acknowledge them as one and the same.

[Seachmall]

The earth can not be temporary yet heaven infinite

Of course it can, heaven is not part of this universe. Heaven is completely separate 'place', to say that if the world ceases to exist then so does heaven is the same as saying if the tent collapses so does the temple. They are not the same thing and not built on the same foundations.

[kerouac.]

The earth can not be temporary yet heaven infinite

Of course it can, heaven is not part of this universe. Heaven is completely separate 'place', to say that if the world ceases to exist then so does heaven is the same as saying if the tent collapses so does the temple. They are not the same thing and not built on the same foundations.

So how do you move from place to place if they are completely separate?

 

 

[Seachmall]

So how do you move from place to place if they are completely separate?

Are you asking how you move from earth to heaven?

[Stefan.]

Heaven is a place for your spirit, not for your bodies. You do not physically "move" to heaven, your spirit simply travels to a place which is considered to be eternal peace. That's how I see it at least.

[Struff Bunstridge]

I think the question remains: How does your spirit travel there, if we're talking about something not of this universe?

[Stefan.]

I think the question remains: How does your spirit travel there, if we're talking about something not of this universe?

That's like asking how do our minds dream. I guess for each of us, heaven is different; what we consider to be peace and harmony can only be formed by our life's events.

[Machida]

 

If the world is not temporary, than all that there is, is a boundless existence. There can be no heaven and earth, they are the same but perhaps seen through different eyes. The earth can not be temporary yet heaven infinite, as they would be part of the same system and thus they would be one.

 

Yet God created Heaven and the Earth. The two are separate. The incorporeal and the material.

 

We are to assume that while our material bodies will rot and end. Our "soul" won't. Instead it will join the infinite plane of Heaven. Heaven being infinite as there is no material to rot. There only exists the incorporeal.

 

To assume that the Earth is itself infinite wouldn't escape the fact that our material bodies were temporary. And that all life on Earth was also temporary.

 

In religion Heaven and Earth are described as two separate planes. The material (which is temporary) is your anchor to this plane. Eventually your anchor will come to and end and you will continue on to the next plane. That being Heaven.

 

It's explained in the Bible that not everyone is allowed the infinite life granted to them by a place in Heaven. It is something they must earn through deed and worship.

 

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

 

A test to deem who is worthy of infinite life.

 

 

[Seachmall]

A test to deem who is worthy of infinite life.

If God is all knowing why does he need a test .

 

If God designed us how come he doesn't already know what our actions will be? He designed us ffs!

[Stefan.]

A test to deem who is worthy of infinite life.

If God is all knowing why does he need a test .

Because God knows that people aren't stupid, and knows that people are smart enough to lie.

[Seachmall]

 

A test to deem who is worthy of infinite life.

If God is all knowing why does he need a test .

Because God knows that people aren't stupid, and knows that people are smart enough to lie.

But if God is all knowing he should immediately know, even before we're born, what we will turn out like. Or does God make it up as he goes along?

 

Why not just create good people and let them into heaven. Why design evil people just for the purpose of making other people suffer and then sending the otherwise good people to hell when they snap because they hit and killed some guy who raped a 12 year old? And then send that 12 year old to hell because she took her own life afterwards because she couldn't handle the stress and fear she was forced to live with?

[TheGuyFromThere]

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If worlds were made to end

then there would be no purpose for life

therefore the existance of our life is purely coincidental in a universe design to end

as it was not meant for creation

because life would not survive

 

Why would God make something that is temporary?

 

 

###########

 

It's not the present that's important

It's the memories.

For it is memories of past which dictate who you are and who you will like and accept

Thus making the present void

As the past is all that's important.

And as you cannot dictate forward in the universe.

The void cannot be disrupted despite the present knowing its intentions.

 

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Why is it the olympics makes countries look at eachother

all to focus on one who is host to many

The athletes are amazing

But it happens anyway

Why is it so many people care about the olympics

When the chances are they do not follow 2 or more sportings

So why when the olympics are in town

EVERYONE watches

Who is the reason for this strange activity

I blame the romans

Those romans and their spreading tools

 

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They say heaven is paradise

but what if when you get there you realise it's not paradise

but the earth and life was infact paradise

you just didn't realise you were in it.

So make the most of it.

You never know.

 

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if distance is equal to time

as distance takes time to travel

therefore the travel = the distance itself

and the distance is the time taken from A to B

then the distance we have has a start and an end

therefore if we start at one end of the destination

and appear at the other end

then distance has theoretically been covered, assuming that statement is true.

and the distance covered was only covered via the movement of time as without time there would be no movement

therefore no distance in this universe existes, we simply travel time.

 

[Seachmall]

if distance is equal to time

No, its not.

we simply travel time.

They are 2 different forms of measurement. They don't equal each other in the sense you are talking about because they are not comparable. 2cm is not equal to 2ltrs.

[Ronmar The Only]

Since you have 'blamed the Romans' for the Olympics...I'm done following this thread. First, the games (now, not the original Greek games) were started in 1894...well after the falling of Constantinople, the last resemblance of the Romans. You insult history and that displeases me.

[Stefan.]

They say heaven is paradise

but what if when you get there you realise it's not paradise

but the earth and life was infact paradise

you just didn't realise you were in it.

So make the most of it.

You never know.

Heaven is paradise, however heaven is different for each person. Everyone's personal "heaven" is formed by the events and images of one's life; a person's heaven will therefore be a huge mixture of all the good events put together.

[Struff Bunstridge]

I agree with Ronmar. Dom, this is turning into some kind of fortune cookie generator. Unless you can explain what you're trying to get across here, it'll get locked, I'm afraid.

[TheGuyFromThere]

I should probably admit that I wrote all of these while extremely extremely high

[Struff Bunstridge]

I should probably admit that I wrote all of these while extremely extremely high

...and that about wraps it up, I think.