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Ronnyboy

Moon Landing Conspiracy

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makeshyft
The closest we get to 'proof' is that some of the shots from Apollo missions would be ridiculously difficult to fake, and it would be cheaper to just go. Especially if you consider that at very least, an unmanned mission would need to take place either way.

Also, the fact that thousands of people were involved in the Apollo program. Simply keeping every one of those people quiet in regards to the hoax would be impossible.

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Svip
The closest we get to 'proof' is that some of the shots from Apollo missions would be ridiculously difficult to fake, and it would be cheaper to just go. Especially if you consider that at very least, an unmanned mission would need to take place either way.

What about the mirror the astronauts placed on the moon that we still use today?

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K^2

Soviets have their own retroreflectors and other equipment on the Moon. They've never been there. Presence of reflectors simply proves Lunar Landers have been there. Not that men have walked on the Moon.

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Leftcoast

 

It's also interesting that you can have pages and pages of posts even though there hasn't been any legitimate argument to refute the obvious in who knows how long. I do enjoy reading the posts, hence, I was here this late in the game to post this reply.

 

I say enough is enough and let's move on..... But since we have not I will quote myself. I will also say again from a tech point of view, NO ONE AT THE TIME HAD THE TECHNOLOGY TO FAKE THE MOON LANDING VIDEO!

 

Like I said before, Starwars was made almost a decade later and didn't look as good. The government has no secret movie making secrets, they would have to use what film makers already knew and the tech just didn't exist at the time of the moon landing for it to be a fake.

 

If you think other wise, BRING IT ON! I dare you............

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Mad Tony

 

The closest we get to 'proof' is that some of the shots from Apollo missions would be ridiculously difficult to fake, and it would be cheaper to just go. Especially if you consider that at very least, an unmanned mission would need to take place either way.

Also, the fact that thousands of people were involved in the Apollo program. Simply keeping every one of those people quiet in regards to the hoax would be impossible.

And this is perhaps one of the best arguments against almost any big conspiracy theory, not just the moon landing one.

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Svip
Soviets have their own retroreflectors and other equipment on the Moon. They've never been there. Presence of reflectors simply proves Lunar Landers have been there. Not that men have walked on the Moon.

A. The Soviet Union is gone.

 

B. They do? Interesting, do you have a link with more information on that? Not because I am defying your claims, but because I actually interested.

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Original Baby Gangsta

wow i had no idea there were many disbelievers on man setting foot on the moon. Don't we have tickets now for a few hundred thousands bucks for a trip to the moon anyways? I remember sweeptakes for a chance to win a trip up there, too. idk

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Leftcoast

 

And this is perhaps one of the best arguments against almost any big conspiracy theory, not just the moon landing one.

 

Agreed,

 

However, the interesting part is that sure as "you know what" there have to be some good juicy conspiracies out there. The real trick is finding out which are crap and which are not. This one is obviously crap.

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flameweilder
And this is perhaps one of the best arguments against almost any big conspiracy theory, not just the moon landing one.

 

Agreed,

 

However, the interesting part is that sure as "you know what" there have to be some good juicy conspiracies out there. The real trick is finding out which are crap and which are not. This one is obviously crap.

I haven't heard any "good" conspiracy theories...can you tell me any?

 

I'm not trying to be a prick, just asking out of pure curiosity.

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Mad Tony

 

wow i had no idea there were many disbelievers on man setting foot on the moon. Don't we have tickets now for a few hundred thousands bucks for a trip to the moon anyways? I remember sweeptakes for a chance to win a trip up there, too. idk

They offer flights into space, not onto the moon. I expect a trip to the moon would costs hundreds of billions of dollars more.

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Mike R.L.

I feel the need to drop in on this topic and say, I also do not believe the human race has been to the moon.

 

Why do all that in 1969 through to what, 74? when did the apollo missions end? anyhoo..

 

Why do all that then, when ever since then all we've done is go up into the first layer of space to put up satellites and whatnot? it doesn't make sense. There is so much evidence to support a hoax as well, like the colour cameras used inside the Apollo module on the way to the moon. Buzz filming out the window and what not, but... why use the crappy Black and White camera for the footage of the moon landing? why not the colour cameras the apollo 11 team had (without a doubt) in the LM?

 

Its obvious WHY not, its whether you choose to believe it or not.

 

Man has never walked on the Moon.

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bigmike72

Show me a picture of the lunar rover on the moon and that will shut me up or maybe they could finally scrap up some money and shut the critics up and actually go to the moon god knows that the technology is more advanced now.

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Mad Tony

 

I feel the need to drop in on this topic and say, I also do not believe the human race has been to the moon.

 

Why do all that in 1969 through to what, 74? when did the apollo missions end? anyhoo..

 

Why do all that then, when ever since then all we've done is go up into the first layer of space to put up satellites and whatnot? it doesn't make sense. There is so much evidence to support a hoax as well, like the colour cameras used inside the Apollo module on the way to the moon. Buzz filming out the window and what not, but... why use the crappy Black and White camera for the footage of the moon landing? why not the colour cameras the apollo 11 team had (without a doubt) in the LM?

 

Its obvious WHY not, its whether you choose to believe it or not.

 

Man has never walked on the Moon.

This has already been covered in the thread. Pretty much the whole point of going to the moon was purely to beat the Russians in the space race. That's why nobody's been up there since the 70s. It'd be kind of pointless going now.

 

Seriously, we went to the moon. That is a fact. It's whether or not you choose to believe it.

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K^2
I haven't heard any "good" conspiracy theories...can you tell me any?

That's the problem. If the conspiracy theory sounds good, it can't be a good conspiracy. And you need a really good conspiracy for it to stay a secret. So whatever it is, it's probably the last thing you would have guessed. And even if some shred of good evidence does leak out somewhere, there will be a mass of conspiracy theory lunatics flooding information highways with such quantities of ridiculously fake evidence, that you'll never see it.

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Leftcoast

Here is an interesting example. I was kinda POed the other day about some insurance companies. I insinuated that the insurance companies were at east influenced by gangsters and or criminally minded individuals. (In common english, I said the Ins companies were run by crooks). I was told that I was a crazy conspiracy theorist and that the Ins. companies were run by law abiding upstanding people.

 

The funny thing is the moment this individual has some reason to report a claim on their insurance, they would probably at least begin to agree with me.

 

Getting more to the point, at some point, the conspiracies (the real ones) become so irrefutable, that they turn from a conspiracy into some kind of scandal. To try and say that NO conspiracies exist, is just as crazy as saying that everything is a conspiracy.

 

Yes, some things are conspiracies, and some things are not..... This is the way that it is.

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SanAndreasManiac

I really believe that the moon landing was a hoax

why there hasn't moon exploring after the 70's?

after Nixon's Watergate scandal was undercovered?

that's interesting.....

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Ari Gold
I really believe that the moon landing was a hoax

why there hasn't moon exploring after the 70's?

after Nixon's Watergate scandal was undercovered?

that's interesting.....

Because, you know, as it has been ascertained about a million times in this topic, the reason the United States went to the moon WAS TO BEAT THE RUSSIANS. To BEAT them. Once they BEAT them to it (actually reached the moon a few times), they had no point of going again, hence why they haven't gone since the 1970s. Why do you think now they're trying to go to Mars? Why bother spending millions of dollars going to the Moon for no real purpose, when they're trying to go to Mars? Not to mention the fact that thousands of employees work for NASA; if the landing was in fact a hoax, then surely someone would've leaked the truth by now.

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General Goose

Bart Sibrel's a prick who relies on discredited theories and lies, and it was good when Buzz Aldrin punched him in the face.

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Mad Tony
Bart Sibrel's a prick who relies on discredited theories and lies, and it was good when Buzz Aldrin punched him in the face.

I agree. I feel sorry for Buzz Aldrin though. Imagine how it must feel to do something as significant as walk on the moon but then get heckled for decades after by conspiracy theorists telling you you never went.

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General Goose
Bart Sibrel's a prick who relies on discredited theories and lies, and it was good when Buzz Aldrin punched him in the face.

I agree. I feel sorry for Buzz Aldrin though. Imagine how it must feel to do something as significant as walk on the moon but then get heckled for decades after by conspiracy theorists telling you you never went.

SWEAR ON THE BIBLE>

 

Yeah, he was harassing the astronauts. Someone is using little nitpicks to support a scientifically discredited, implausible theory and then accusing you, an elderly hero, of lying about it, going along with it and milking of off all the goodies that came with it. The way he constantly asked them to swear on the bible. THe astronauts refused. Now, I tried watching Bart Sibrel's Astronauts Gone Wild but couldn't be asked to watch the rest. But the comments were all "Oh, it's very suspicious how they didn't swear on the Bible."

 

It's called maintaining your respect. Some deranged, stupid loony who believes in a conspiracy theory that has been disproved and laid to rest by the sensible population who have a brain wants you to swear on the Bible you did something the world knows you did. Do you give into the man's demands knowing fully well he won't shut up, and thus lose some of your dignity and self-respect in the process? I hope not.

 

Now, I ain't a scientist. I don't exactly understand all the arguments for and against the conspiracy all that well. They sound trivial and well, I kinda trust the scientific majority to be right on this. But, I do understand how implausible it will be to "fake" several moon landings especially on such a scale, what with NASA having so many workers. It was such a large scale project and under such scrutiny, I cannot see how it can be faked. Surely some credible evidence proving the landings were fake would have got out, and not just all the evidence promoting the landings?

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Leftcoast

 

I agree. I feel sorry for Buzz Aldrin though. Imagine how it must feel to do something as significant as walk on the moon but then get heckled for decades after by conspiracy theorists telling you you never went.

 

I'm sure Buzz doesn't care, in fact, he probably thinks they are nuts. It's not like people claiming Saddam Hussein rigged elections, we know this one is false, and we still have yet to hear any legitimate argument to the contrary. For real people, if you thing it was fake, give some legitimate support. Don't just say, "Yah, I still think it was faked". Please let us know what is going on in your cranium.

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Bob_Dole

I'm pretty confident that we did actually land on the moon in '69 but this is still one of my favorite conspiracy theories besides the JFK Assassination of course.

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roryhynes

I've always though that some of the photos and film have been heavily doctored, although I do believe that NASA reached the moon. and that many astronauts have walked about on the surface.

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AB0333

No, videos are not fake. NASA reached the moon.

 

Mythbusters proved it.

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massrcor

Now, as an American I believe we did reach the moon in 1969.

 

These photos, however, do seem interesting.

 

Wouldn't there be some sort of crater from the landing equipment? After all it did use an engine that resembles a jet engine to stop it. (correct me if wrong)

user posted image

 

This is sort of in the same realm.

 

wouldn't there be some dust on the feet of the lunar module? I know that moon gravity would contribute to a slow dust fall, but you'd think there would be some dust on the feet. I mean, the moon soil looks awfully loose and dusty.

That engine would stir up some dust.

user posted image

 

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makeshyft
Wouldn't there be some sort of crater from the landing equipment? After all it did use an engine that resembles a jet engine to stop it. (correct me if wrong)

You can find answers to your questions regarding thrust and craters here: http://www.xmission.com/~jwindley/techcrater.html

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Otter

Also keep in mind that you can't "blow" something around (dust included) without an atmosphere.

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EternalChe

the question if did go or not is irrelevant, dis-info to turn our attention away from the real issues...

 

 

 

 

another look at this theory, but taking some "liberties" with the source material for visualization purposes:

 

@8:30

 

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Bellic 4 life
Irrefutable evidence? THERE'S A LANDER ON THE MOON. All your other examples that you list as "inconclusive" are conclusively wrong, as proven by better men than I, over and over and over.

 

Now, to answer you silly questions:

 

- Why hasn't NASA tried to prove it was real if they know people believe it was faked?

They have, with a wealth of photography, film, flight data, and astronomers.

 

- Why do they release pictures from the moon over the course of years, rather than all when they returned from the moon?

Because they wanted to keep precious secrets from the Ruskies. Think about it. They just went to the bloody moon.

 

- Why didn't the Russians get to the moon?

Because there's no real benefit to going to the moon, aside from scientific discovery, and the big one - getting there first. Think about that for a while. Then think about the astronomical (literally! tounge.gif) costs involved.

 

- Why is returning to the moon taking longer than it did originally, even though technology is 30+ years more advanced?

See the answer to question 3. It's not financially, culturally, or even scientifically, viable at this point in time. What, you figure we should be going to pleasure trips? You know there are still places on Earth that man has not yet set foot, but we just dont have the reason to go there. It's that simple.

I am attempting to take this debate away from the thread about the tragic loss of Neil Armstrong.

 

The evidence is indeed irrefutable evidence towards us landing on the moon.

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