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Crimson King

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Jonny_Tightlips

Crimson, i'm assuming you heard about that hole in the ozone layer, and passed it off as myth without much thought. Now, that hole right now is over the Antarctic, but one thing you must know is that Carbon Dioxide was not the one to blame for this: It's a thing called Chloroflourocarbons, or rather, CFCs.

 

You see, the stratosphere is composed of O3, which is a protective barrier against the Sun's harmful UV Radiation. Now, when CFCs and other harmful compounds are released into the environment, tropic air currents lift them up into the stratosphere, and accumulate. When UV hits a CFC molecule, one of the Chlorine atoms breaks off, and is free to roam about the stratosphere. Now, heres the sh*tty part. Once the Cl atom comes in contact with an O3 molecule, the Cl steals one oxygen atom from the compound, and the original O3 is left as O2, or rather, simple oxygen, which UV rays can easily pass through.

 

That, Crimson, is how the O-zone dies. Currently a work in progress, thanks to humans who have helped to add to the extreme amount of dangerous compounds in the air, due to two things: Ignorance and Deregulation (the latter being a biproduct of the former, ho ho.)

 

Read up more here: http://www.theozonehole.com/ozonedestruction.htm (http://www.theozonehole.com/ozonedestruction.htm)

 

And if you're still too thick to put the pieces together:

 

When Ultraviolet Radiation gets past the stratosphere, things get a bit hotter down here.

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Crimson King

we know the planet is heating up, i'm not debating thermometers. and we know that humans are creating co2 and theres more of it than the naturally occurring amount. but if youse took the life changing 70 minutes to watch the great global warming swindle, you'll realise you've been living a lie.

why are youse so adamant that co2 changes climate? none of the major climate changes in the last 1000 years can be explained by co2. carbon dioxide has never driven climate change in the past.

 

if youse are right and co2 does heat up the earth, wouldnt the 4billion extra people that make up the population in the last 1000 years create enough co2 to f*ck up the atmosphere, because according to you it's the most sensitive thing in the universe.

 

anyway, as the temperature rises, so does co2, but with like an 800 year lag. co2 is a product of temperature, not the other way around. that's why youse are so confused, co2 has nothing to do with rising temperatures except that the higher the temp the more co2 there is, eventually.

 

btw if greenhouse gases were causing global warming, the atmosphere should be warmer than the surface temperature, but the rate of warming in the atmosphere is actually less than what it is on the surface. weather baloon and satellite data can prove it.

 

ps if you really thought i was childish svip, you wouldnt be trying so hard to defeat me and getting so upset when you dont.

btw "childish" and "deluded" are names as well. just because your name calling is less original and more weak doesn't change the fact that it's still name calling.

 

ps zak, there must be something wrong with you aye. every c*nt knows about global warming, you cant blame it on ignorance.

you could just spray an air ioniser in the general direction of the hole in the ozone layer and solve that anti-problem.

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Jonny_Tightlips

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I don't mean ignorance as in "WHATS GLOBAL WARMING DOI!?" I mean, "HEY LOOK, LETS SPRAY ALL THESE CHEMICALS, ALL OVER THE PLACE. LOOK, IT'S MAKING CROPS GROW FASTER! WHO CARES ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL REPERCUSSIONS!"

 

And I just watched your acclaimed video, and I gotta say, the only thing they have brought up (similar to this thread) is CO2. But obviously, CO2 is just another part of what is causing global warming, not the entirety of it. CFCs, like I said, are destroying the O-zone layer, which is above the Antarctic as we speak. Antarctica, made of fresh water ice, musn't melt off too much of itself, because if fresh water mixes in with the salt water oceans (which contain currents that regulate a sh*t ton of the weather on this planet), the ocean currents will get disrupted, and weather patterns change, for worse.

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Struff Bunstridge

I love that he ignored my entire post. Good work.

 

Also, this is fun:

 

 

but if youse took the life changing 70 minutes to watch the great global warming swindle, you'll realise you've been living a lie.

 

 

This from the same guy who derided others for cherrypicking their sources. If you took the life changing ten minutes to peruse over some of the sources I've mentioned, you'll see that your aforementioned video doesn't stand up quite as well as you think it does.

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[...] you'll see that your aforementioned video doesn't stand up quite as well as you think it does.

Especially considering how heavily criticised the thing actually was.

 

You can't present an argument using only one source, especially if that source is ridiculously biased.

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Crimson King

the rest of the world is what's ridiculously biased. al gore just made up his sh*t as he went along.

 

ps zak ya brainwashed bastard, what's more important, comfortable weather or food?

a hole in the ozone layer is different to the climate change i'm debating anyway. that bullsh*t has been proven wrong too but. atmospheric dynamics is the driving factor of the thickness of the ozone layer, not chemistry. ever heard of the crista-spas project? probably not cause you only listen to what al bore tells you to.

 

"The 3-D images demonstrate that the ozone is organized in complex dynamic vertical and filamentary structures that are constantly changing, in patterns as complex as those of weather systems near the surface. In contrast, the computer models used by the promoters of the ozone depletion and global warming scares assume that the ozone layer is homogeneous, and use linear equations to model the stratosphere. Any attempt to model complex nonlinear processes (such as those demonstrated to occur in the ozone layer) with zonal averaging and linear equations, will invariably give wrong results, regardless of how big a supercomputer is used. The methodology is axiomatically wrong."

 

for dose of u dat carnt handel dat info in ur brayn, it means your scientists who believe the hooha about the ozone layer use like 3mega pixel cameras with digital zoom and sh*t, whereas the scientists that aren't incorrect use like holograms and sh*t and they determined that the hole in the ozone is naturally occurring because it's such a complex and varied thing and you cant measure it with the techniques that have been previously used, and using these correct procedures they discovered the ozone is altered by changes in the atmosphere, not human chemicals.

 

ps i read all your sh*t sources bumstridge, theyve all got the same byline as the poof who invented the september 11 conspiracy theories, that's how outrageous they are.

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Struff Bunstridge

Hang on, hang on. First of all, employing non-linear problem-solving in ozone layer analysis, while probably yielding more accurate results, would have no way of determining the cause of the hole in the ozone layer; furthermore, that's a little like saying there's no way you can measure mankind's effect on weather patterns, which is patently untrue. Secondly, no environmental scientists have attempted to use linear equations to predict inherently chaotic systems since the advent of chaos theory itself, which demonstrated their uselessness in weather predictions and the like. Wherever that source is from, there's no way any scientist worth his salt would assume the ozone layer to be homogenous - it would be like someone trying to land on a rainbow to study it. And yes, I'm aware of CRISTA-SPAS. It measured declining levels of hydroxyl in the atmosphere; it's declining because of the ever-increasing amount of man-made pollutants in the atmosphere, particularly sulphur compounds, which there is no longer enough hydroxyl to eliminate. Go and read about the hydroxyl collapse.

 

Finally, I've never seen An Inconvenient Truth, nor have I have I read anything Al Gore has to say on the matter. Seems like only one of us is being spoon-fed, Crimson King, and it ain't me.

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Svip

 

for dose of u dat carnt handel dat info in ur brayn, it means your scientists who believe the hooha about the ozone layer use like 3mega pixel cameras with digital zoom and sh*t,

From where in your ass did you pull that "fact"?

 

You obviously fail to see how the majority of scientists around the world are agreeing that humans have an impact on what is happening with our climate. Remember, that these people have studied the subject for a long time, that's why they are scientists. Most scientists I know (almost personally) would never attempt such a big a lie, because it cannot be pull off.

 

And why would they lie? Scientists have plenty of projects that does not deal with Global Warming, in fact, most of the scientists who got together to conclude that humans were having a major impact on the world's climate never really got to work on anything related to help "fix" the problem. Why? Cause they were already on other projects.

 

I think you should read this, btw:

 

 

http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2008/09/intellectual-arrogance.html

 

 

Oh and, I think you're right. Why am I even wasting time arguing with you? I think I'll just close this topic and ban you then.

 

Edit: Looks like I did, oh well. smile.gif

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