Presidential Election

[Breaking Bohan]

Although the tickets have just solidified, it is already shaping up to be a contentious race! In the hope of fostering political debate, which is essential to a healthy democratic society, please feel free to state your given preference and argument for their support.

 

As for my two cents: I feel that both sides have some rather serious drawbacks, but it’s a two party system, so I’ll have to pick my poison. Therefore, I am currently leaning towards McCain/Palin. Not only do I agree with their general economic approach (lower taxes, less government, free trade), but they also have more experience than Obama/Biden. Plus, I believe in state’s rights, pro-life position, and 2nd Amendment rights, and strict constructionist approach to Constitutional interpretation.

 

While some “change” would be nice – I don’t think Obama’s “change” is very coherent and therefore would probably not be good for this country …. But if someone can help explain what the hell he means, and how he realistically intends to implement it, then I may reconsider.

 

[nlitement]

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History

 

The PollyVote was created in 2004 to demonstrate the power of combining forecasts for U.S. Presidential Elections [1]. It forecasted a victory for President Bush over the 8 months that it was making forecasts, and it predicted on the morning of the election that George W. Bush would receive 51.5% of the popular vote, an error of 0.3 percentage points.

 

Spooky!

[Breaking Bohan]

The biggest event to the election at the moment is Hurricane Gustav. The hurricane may force republicans to re-schedule part of their convention - Bush already is not going to attend because he must take care of storm problems (as is a responsible thing to do).

 

Now, hopefully both parties can use their power to help people negatively affected by the storm ... but, I get the feeling that if the storm strikes and lots of people die ... which is probably inevitable ... who will try to score political points and how?

[Vercetti21]

I'm more of a conservative myself, but in all honesty I'm actually leaning more towards Obama's side on this one.

 

Even if his methods of "change" are extremely vague to us, I'd rather take a chance with him than another four years with a possible Bush 2. And, as with you, I am both pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment, but the two deciding factors for me here are 1) the War on Terror and 2) oil. And these, I think, are Obama's strong points.

 

Did you happen to see his acceptance speech the other night? He mentioned cutting all the "unneeded" government programs to raise money which he would then invest in research for a better fuel economy. He then later went on to promise that within the next ten years, America would no longer be dependent on foreign oil. What these unneeded programs are, who knows, but hell, you can't say he's not confident about it and dedicated to getting the job done.

 

Not to mention he at least has the intention of pulling out of Iraq and focusing on preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, whereas McCain has seemed to be a bit shy on the subject.

[lloydo]

Either way, US should pull out, if any problems persist just send in Blackwater.

[Ph3L1z14n0]

 

Not to mention he at least has the intention of pulling out of Iraq and focusing on preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, whereas McCain has seemed to be a bit shy on the subject.

 

I don't know, half of Obama's campaign is focusing on saying the contrary of what Bush is saying, Bush is such a cultural icon that if used correctly it can be the best publicity, therefore, if you are against the war, the dependance of oil, and so on, then people will just love you, why? because they "hate" Bush, this is the part where i lean a little more towards McCain, the guy is a warprick, but at least he is honest about his opinions, he's one the few almost extinct species of american politicians who says the troops should stay in Irak, argumenting something like that is gonna over-kill the chances that you'll get a lot of voters, yet he still said it, he risked it, that probably "means" something.

[nlitement]

Not to mention he at least has the intention of pulling out of Iraq and focusing on preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, whereas McCain has seemed to be a bit shy on the subject.

 

I don't know, half of Obama's campaign is focusing on saying the contrary of what Bush is saying, Bush is such a cultural icon that if used correctly it can be the best publicity, therefore, if you are against the war, the dependance of oil, and so on, then people will just love you, why? because they "hate" Bush, this is the part where i lean a little more towards McCain, the guy is a warprick, but at least he is honest about his opinions, he's one the few almost extinct species of american politicians who says the troops should stay in Irak, argumenting something like that is gonna over-kill the chances that you'll get a lot of voters, yet he still said it, he risked it, that probably "means" something.

So people shouldn't pursue their agendas from politicians, because being ANTIdisestablishmentarianist now is sooo cool? What's next? Antiantidisestablishmentarianism? That's what I am then, I guess.

 

I have these views, this politician agrees on them, so I vote for him. Simple as that. But OH NO it's been way too "mainstream" to hate Bush now so we have to go "underground"? Or what? I seriously don't understand the point there.

[Saggy]

I think speaking on it politically is a little late, as most people are already decided who they're going to vote for anyway.

 

 

In terms of trying to predict who is going to win, I have very little doubt that it will be McCain simply because of the voting demographic in this country. If voter turnout isn't higher, and with more politically diverse people, then I simply see McCain winning because the majority vote usually falls to a group of people in this country that typically don't even vote according to the issues. They vote according to party, according to race, according to gender, and basically for a multitude of reasons other than their political reasoning. That's not to say that, "Man, if anybody voted for McCain, they couldn't be voting for his politics," it's more like saying, "Are we really asking the most conservative, Republic, agoraphobic, possibly-racist group in America to change who they are voting for, and then offering a Muslim African American for them to change to?" I just don't see it happening.

 

I know that's generalizing, but it's been a long-running fact that in the past two elections, the majority of voters were elderly, Conservative Republicans. Now, the amount of racism in that demographic is purely speculative, but what I'm saying is that if we have to leave it up to this demographic to be the majority of voters, then I just don't see them voting for Obama. Think about it, if half of these people can't even lift their heads long enough to see the other candidate and just vote Republican like every four years, then what kind of chance do we have that the other half that actually see Obama, will see something that they want to vote for? It's not all about his race and religion; Obama speaks about American in a very disdainful way, as if it is ragged, and in need of repair, and a large majority of these voters don't see it in that light. Add to that at the very end, the very fact that his political issues are probably a polar opposite from these people, if they even are voting with a politically oriented mind, they likely wouldn't want Obama as a candidate.

 

If you think the country has been in great shape the last 8 years ( yes, there really are a lot of people who do ), you're pro-life and pro-gun, what in the hell will make you want to vote for a candidate that is all for "change", pro-choice, pro-gun-control, versus a candidate that supports their political agenda, and for all intensive purposes, is going to maintain the "status quo". Couple into that the vast cultural differences, and it's really questionable to me whether Obama could appear to be a good candidate to any of the people in this demographic.

 

 

I mean, I've laid it out in a way that is very simple and very debatable, but think about it like this. If the same people who elected Bush in to office twice are the only ones voting or even mostly the ones voting, what do you think is really going to happen?

 

 

I think the election comes straight down to voter turnout. To me more specific, if Obama wants a chance, he'll need new voters, and people that are actually interested in change. It's a great campaign slogan, but when 90% of your supporters are too plastered to their computer chairs watching YouTube to get out and vote, it's not going to do you much good, especially when considering that the same people who voted for Bush the last two elections are more likely to vote, and more likely to elect McCain.

 

 

Anyway, that's my generalizing, completely speculative view on how the election will turn out. I say that in advanced, because I can tell someone will quote this, and each and every little thing that I said, to debate each point individually, because as a whole, there's really no argument to this statement. It's just an opinion, so please, don't even bother unless you're going to offer your own opinion, instead of trying to dismantle mine. Believe me, it won't be that hard to do, and it will be fruitless anyway, 'cause I'll admit right now I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

I am confident enough to have bet four people $50 McCain will win, though.

[Vercetti21]

 

Not to mention he at least has the intention of pulling out of Iraq and focusing on preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, whereas McCain has seemed to be a bit shy on the subject.

 

I don't know, half of Obama's campaign is focusing on saying the contrary of what Bush is saying, Bush is such a cultural icon that if used correctly it can be the best publicity, therefore, if you are against the war, the dependance of oil, and so on, then people will just love you, why? because they "hate" Bush, this is the part where i lean a little more towards McCain, the guy is a warprick, but at least he is honest about his opinions, he's one the few almost extinct species of american politicians who says the troops should stay in Irak, argumenting something like that is gonna over-kill the chances that you'll get a lot of voters, yet he still said it, he risked it, that probably "means" something.

Er, yeah I'm pretty much with nlitement here. It's not about voting for the person who has the most popular opinions at all. I vote for who I agree with on the most points and hope for the best. If you really think Obama is lying or is incapable of accomplishing the change he has promised, then I won't stop you from thinking that. Hell, maybe you're right; maybe it's all just a lye and just an attempt to get votes. But still, my chances at ending the Iraq War and getting the f*ck out of this oil crisis are better with Obama, who has at least said he will do these things. As for the present, it's not really about whether he actually accomplishes them or not. It's the hope that I'm relying on.

[Breaking Bohan]

Not to mention he at least has the intention of pulling out of Iraq and focusing on preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, whereas McCain has seemed to be a bit shy on the subject.

 

I don't know, half of Obama's campaign is focusing on saying the contrary of what Bush is saying, Bush is such a cultural icon that if used correctly it can be the best publicity, therefore, if you are against the war, the dependance of oil, and so on, then people will just love you, why? because they "hate" Bush, this is the part where i lean a little more towards McCain, the guy is a warprick, but at least he is honest about his opinions, he's one the few almost extinct species of american politicians who says the troops should stay in Irak, argumenting something like that is gonna over-kill the chances that you'll get a lot of voters, yet he still said it, he risked it, that probably "means" something.

Er, yeah I'm pretty much with nlitement here. It's not about voting for the person who has the most popular opinions at all. I vote for who I agree with on the most points and hope for the best. If you really think Obama is lying or is incapable of accomplishing the change he has promised, then I won't stop you from thinking that. Hell, maybe you're right; maybe it's all just a lye and just an attempt to get votes. But still, my chances at ending the Iraq War and getting the f*ck out of this oil crisis are better with Obama, who has at least said he will do these things. As for the present, it's not really about whether he actually accomplishes them or not. It's the hope that I'm relying on.

If Bush and the Iraqi government sign the treaty they are currently contemplating - the one which would have all US forces out by 2011 - then this issue essentially becomes a dead letter. The treaty will become international law and the president (whoever it may be) wont be able to do f*ckall about it.

 

No doubt that war has been a total mess, but depending on what happens with the treaty, that issue will become somewhat less significant.

[Vercetti21]

If Bush and the Iraqi government sign the treaty they are currently contemplating - the one which would have all US forces out by 2011 - then this issue essentially becomes a dead letter. The treaty will become international law and the president (whoever it may be) wont be able to do f*ckall about it.

 

No doubt that war has been a total mess, but depending on what happens with the treaty, that issue will become somewhat less significant.

Never mind the fact that Iran could and most likely will obtain full nuclear capability before that deadline, possibly depending on how fast troop pullout will be.

[Ph3L1z14n0]

 

So people shouldn't pursue their agendas from politicians, because being ANTIdisestablishmentarianist now is sooo cool? What's next? Antiantidisestablishmentarianism? That's what I am then, I guess.

 

I didn't really said it like that, i was just pointing out how many politicians in the US, like Romney and Obama have based their agendas on how much they're against all the things that Bush did, and since the public opinion on Bush is mostly bad, then it's a favorable situation for many when trying to get votes, it's actually very simple manipulation, what i said about McCain was that i found interesting or at least more honest than others how he said that he wanted the troops to stay in Iraq, you have to admit that most voters wouldn't support such statement, yet he still said it and has repeated it many times, doesn't take away from the fact that he is an ass on many other issues.

 

 

I have these views, this politician agrees on them, so I vote for him. Simple as that. But OH NO it's been way too "mainstream" to hate Bush now so we have to go "underground"? Or what? I seriously don't understand the point there.

 

It's not about your vote to "X" candidate, it's about everyone's votes to "X" candidate, who "X" candidate will get because he is using the mainstream hate towards Bush.

[Breaking Bohan]

If Bush and the Iraqi government sign the treaty they are currently contemplating - the one which would have all US forces out by 2011 - then this issue essentially becomes a dead letter.  The treaty will become international law and the president (whoever it may be) wont be able to do f*ckall about it.

 

No doubt that war has been a total mess, but depending on what happens with the treaty, that issue will become somewhat less significant.

Never mind the fact that Iran could and most likely will obtain full nuclear capability before that deadline, possibly depending on how fast troop pullout will be.

Well, that's Iran's business - once the treaty is signed it is a done deal under international law - why can't Israel and the UN deal with Iran?

 

America needs a break.

[Barciur]

If Bush and the Iraqi government sign the treaty they are currently contemplating - the one which would have all US forces out by 2011 - then this issue essentially becomes a dead letter.  The treaty will become international law and the president (whoever it may be) wont be able to do f*ckall about it.

 

No doubt that war has been a total mess, but depending on what happens with the treaty, that issue will become somewhat less significant.

Never mind the fact that Iran could and most likely will obtain full nuclear capability before that deadline, possibly depending on how fast troop pullout will be.

Well, that's Iran's business - once the treaty is signed it is a done deal under international law - why can't Israel and the UN deal with Iran?

 

America needs a break.

You can thank Bush for the situation

[Breaking Bohan]

If Bush and the Iraqi government sign the treaty they are currently contemplating - the one which would have all US forces out by 2011 - then this issue essentially becomes a dead letter.  The treaty will become international law and the president (whoever it may be) wont be able to do f*ckall about it.

 

No doubt that war has been a total mess, but depending on what happens with the treaty, that issue will become somewhat less significant.

Never mind the fact that Iran could and most likely will obtain full nuclear capability before that deadline, possibly depending on how fast troop pullout will be.

Well, that's Iran's business - once the treaty is signed it is a done deal under international law - why can't Israel and the UN deal with Iran?

 

America needs a break.

You can thank Bush for the situation

How can I do that? He's sanctioning Iran and treatening them? What the hell are you doing?

 

 

Now ... I suppose you mean to say that if we didn't have troops in Iraq, then we'd be all ready to go to war with Iran. Well I think this is retarded. I don't see why Iran can't have nuclear power -- it would stop global warming; they could SELL all the oil they now use on their own power/gas -- it just makes good economic sense.

 

Iran's threats towards Israel are a bit disturbing ... but the world is not going to let Iran bomb Israel - if they even could.

 

Plus, if we blow up Iran's nuclear plant, then what justification does US have for building missle shield in Georgia?!

 

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PS. Palin is going to win election for GOP! Her resume is stronger than Obama!

[Ph3L1z14n0]

 

Iran's threats towards Israel are a bit disturbing ... but the world is not going to let Iran bomb Israel - if they even could.

I don't know what makes you think such a thing, if Iran does decide to bomb Israel it will happen, and no one will do anything about it, believing that the UN will suddenly jump in to stop them is believing a lie, the only truth is that no one in the world cares, the UN certainly did not stop Irak from happening, nor they did with the first gulf war, the lebanese-Israel conflict, the 7 day war, no one will care and no one will stop a bomb from falling down on Israel if Ahmadijenad's claims are true.

Edited September 4, 2008 by Ph3L1z14n0

[beavis]

If Iran would do such a stupid thing, then I really feel sorry for the people of Iran. WWIII anyone?

[Breaking Bohan]

Iran's threats towards Israel are a bit disturbing ... but the world is not going to let Iran bomb Israel - if they even could.

I don't know what makes you think such a thing, if Iran does decide to bomb Israel it will happen, and no one will do anything about it, believing that the UN will suddenly jump in to stop them is believing a lie, the only truth is that no one in the world cares, the UN certainly did not stop Irak from happening, nor they did with the first gulf war, the lebanese-Israel conflict, the 7 day war, no one will care and no one will stop a bomb from falling down on Israel if Ahmadijenad's claims are true.

Ok ... maybe ... but you assume that Iran can build a bomb and deliver it to wherever --- that's another story.

 

Maybe the UN hasn't done anything substantive - lately - but maybe they'll do something ... and if they don't, let Israel fight Iran - not US - I'm not willing to be drafted to defend BS mideast policy - which is not clear to public - especially when that policy changes on a regular basis ....

 

I say we leave them alone

[beavis]

"I say we leave them alone"

 

That's virtually impossible under this Administration. I liked the fact that Obama is actually willing to sit down with Iran's president. Will show us if this guy can walk the walk when it comes to diplomacy.

[Breaking Bohan]

"I say we leave them alone"

 

That's virtually impossible under this Administration. I liked the fact that Obama is actually willing to sit down with Iran's president. Will show us if this guy can walk the walk when it comes to diplomacy.

While I doubt Obama would do anything if Iran bombed Israel ... that doesn't mean US sould/couldn't - it just means that Obama doesn't have the political will to do so. Why? Because it would be unpopular - and it would mean his political life in that he can't be the anti-iraq war president and then just move all the troops one country over to fight iran - it's insane - he'd never do it.

[illspirit]

 

Did you happen to see his acceptance speech the other night? He mentioned cutting all the "unneeded" government programs to raise money which he would then invest in research for a better fuel economy. He then later went on to promise that within the next ten years, America would no longer be dependent on foreign oil. What these unneeded programs are, who knows, but hell, you can't say he's not confident about it and dedicated to getting the job done.

I almost want Obama to win just to see the surprised look on the faces of all the people who are apparently too lazy to look at his website and believe it when he says he'll shrink the government. For example, his Orwellian named universal volunteer program.

 

 

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

 

 

Libertarian-ish law professor translations here:

 

 

http://www.volokh.com/posts/chain_1219902544.shtml

 

 

 

All these add up to the biggest expansion of the US government since FDR. If Obama gets most of what he wants, he will make libertarians look more fondly on the relatively modest proposals of Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon.

 

But at least it might not cost the fedgov much since the programs will be built on the backs of child slave labor.

[Breaking Bohan]

Did you happen to see his acceptance speech the other night? He mentioned cutting all the "unneeded" government programs to raise money which he would then invest in research for a better fuel economy. He then later went on to promise that within the next ten years, America would no longer be dependent on foreign oil. What these unneeded programs are, who knows, but hell, you can't say he's not confident about it and dedicated to getting the job done.

I almost want Obama to win just to see the surprised look on the faces of all the people who are apparently too lazy to look at his website and believe it when he says he'll shrink the government. For example, his Orwellian named universal volunteer program.

 

 

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

 

 

Libertarian-ish law professor translations here:

 

 

http://www.volokh.com/posts/chain_1219902544.shtml

 

 

 

All these add up to the biggest expansion of the US government since FDR. If Obama gets most of what he wants, he will make libertarians look more fondly on the relatively modest proposals of Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon.

 

But at least it might not cost the fedgov much since the programs will be built on the backs of child slave labor.

Exactly - some may say that slavery made this country great - and today, putting the white man in chains will make this country great again ... well, maybe the Left's positions are too extreme, and their re-distribution of wealth will suck the last breath out of the capitalist spirit of this country ... but damnit maybe Obama has some bright ideas he's keeping to himself, and he'll spring them on us after we vote for him ... no?

 

Well, so far GOP convention is not sending a tingle up my leg, like Obama sometimes does.

[Breaking Bohan]

Did you happen to see his acceptance speech the other night? He mentioned cutting all the "unneeded" government programs to raise money which he would then invest in research for a better fuel economy. He then later went on to promise that within the next ten years, America would no longer be dependent on foreign oil. What these unneeded programs are, who knows, but hell, you can't say he's not confident about it and dedicated to getting the job done.

I almost want Obama to win just to see the surprised look on the faces of all the people who are apparently too lazy to look at his website and believe it when he says he'll shrink the government. For example, his Orwellian named universal volunteer program.

 

 

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/NationalServicePlanFactSheet.pdf

 

 

Libertarian-ish law professor translations here:

 

 

http://www.volokh.com/posts/chain_1219902544.shtml

 

 

 

All these add up to the biggest expansion of the US government since FDR. If Obama gets most of what he wants, he will make libertarians look more fondly on the relatively modest proposals of Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon.

 

But at least it might not cost the fedgov much since the programs will be built on the backs of child slave labor.

Exactly - some may say that slavery made this country great - and today, putting the white man in chains will make this country great again ... well, maybe the Left's positions are too extreme, and their re-distribution of wealth will suck the last breath out of the capitalist spirit of this country ... but damnit maybe Obama has some bright ideas he's keeping to himself, and he'll spring them on us after we vote for him ... no?

 

Well, so far GOP convention is not sending a tingle up my leg, like Obama sometimes does.

I think that's because the DNC was based around empty buzzwords, which, while meaningless, got people excited.

 

With the RNC, people just can't get excited over policy and actual, logical politics.

Well, lets not be too hasty ... Huckabee is giving a hell of a speech - much better than that guy from Utah - although the end now seems to be puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure cheeeeese.

 

Nevertheless, I'm hoping Palin puts on some sort of show, and smacks the media upside their sack!

[Sergi]

I'm voting for Obama simply because I'd rather at least we attempt change by getting someone who isn't the status quo president and who is different then previous presidents in more ways then one then elcet a guy who does nothing different from our last disastrous president who has left America in the worst shape ever in modern times.

 

It's funny how people were saying they'd vote for Mccain even more now because of his VP. Well for the people who talked about Obama's experience issue she has absolutley none in areas that matter, she's being investigated for having someone fired for personal reasons, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, she os nothing like Hilary and could not possibly run this country at all if something happened to Mccain.

 

Mccain only picked her to build up hype because Obama didn't pick Hilary. Now if Obama did pick her then rest assured Mccain wouldn't have picked this unknown and un qualified woman.

 

It's crazy how people voted for Bush the 1st time and he ruined our country then voted for him again and he did even worse. I don't get how all of his polls showed that the public wasn't satisfied with Bush yet they'll vote for a man who will do the same things Bush has done.

[Breaking Bohan]

I'm voting for Obama simply because I'd rather at least we attempt change by getting someone who isn't the status quo president and who is different then previous presidents in more ways then one then elcet a guy who does nothing different from our last disastrous president who has left America in the worst shape ever in modern times.

 

It's funny how people were saying they'd vote for Mccain even more now because of his VP. Well for the people who talked about Obama's experience issue she has absolutley none in areas that matter, she's being investigated for having someone fired for personal reasons, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, she os nothing like Hilary and could not possibly run this country at all if something happened to Mccain.

 

Mccain only picked her to build up hype because Obama didn't pick Hilary. Now if Obama did pick her then rest assured Mccain wouldn't have picked this unknown and un qualified woman.

 

It's crazy how people voted for Bush the 1st time and he ruined our country then voted for him again and he did even worse. I don't get how all of his polls showed that the public wasn't satisfied with Bush yet they'll vote for a man who will do the same things Bush has done.

I'm sorry pal ... but you don't seem to be making much sense to me. She has more executive experience, sadly, than all the candidates - who are all senators and haven't run sh*t. She ran a city, is the governor of an important state ... nobody says you should vote for the ticket because of the VP pick ... that wouldn't be too smart IMHO.

 

But seriously, you plan on putting your hope in "change" - when after months of campaigning it is still amorphous and vague to the point of incomprehensibility?

 

Please tell me what he plans on doing to make things better for the country - honestly.

 

PS. Who gives a damn if her 17 yr-old daughter is knocked up? Would you be happier if it was aborted?

[Sergi]

 

I'm voting for Obama simply because I'd rather at least we attempt change by getting someone who isn't the status quo president and who is different then previous presidents in more ways then one then elcet a guy who does nothing different from our last disastrous president who has left America in the worst shape ever in modern times.

 

It's funny how people were saying they'd vote for Mccain even more now because of his VP. Well for the people who talked about Obama's experience issue she has absolutley none in areas that matter, she's being investigated for having someone fired for personal reasons, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, she os nothing like Hilary and could not possibly run this country at all if something happened to Mccain.

 

Mccain only picked her to build up hype because Obama didn't pick Hilary. Now if Obama did pick her then rest assured Mccain wouldn't have picked this unknown and un qualified woman.

 

It's crazy how people voted for Bush the 1st time and he ruined our country then voted for him again and he did even worse. I don't get how all of his polls showed that the public wasn't satisfied with Bush yet they'll vote for a man who will do the same things Bush has done.

I'm sorry pal ... but you don't seem to be making much sense to me. She has more executive experience, sadly, than all the candidates - who are all senators and haven't run sh*t. She ran a city, is the governor of an important state ... nobody says you should vote for the ticket because of the VP pick ... that wouldn't be too smart IMHO.

 

But seriously, you plan on putting your hope in "change" - when after months of campaigning it is still amorphous and vague to the point of incomprehensibility?

 

Please tell me what he plans on doing to make things better for the country - honestly.

 

PS. Who gives a damn if her 17 yr-old daughter is knocked up? Would you be happier if it was aborted?

I could care less about her daughter but it's obvious if Obama's daughter was pregnant you'd be all over her.

 

Palin has no experience what so ever when it comes to running a country in case of something happening to Mccain. She ran a state with less the population on Brooklyn, a state that has no real problems compared to many other states in the US and a state that isn't very important in terms of US politics.

 

And it's known you're a Mccain online promoter because you have like 50 thousand different threads about Obama and talking bad about him. Isn't 1 thread enough for you because honestly all of your threads are the exact f*cking same.

[Breaking Bohan]

I'm voting for Obama simply because I'd rather at least we attempt change by getting someone who isn't the status quo president and who is different then previous presidents in more ways then one then elcet a guy who does nothing different from our last disastrous president who has left America in the worst shape ever in modern times.

 

It's funny how people were saying they'd vote for Mccain even more now because of his VP. Well for the people who talked about Obama's experience issue she has absolutley none in areas that matter, she's being investigated for having someone fired for personal reasons, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, she os nothing like Hilary and could not possibly run this country at all if something happened to Mccain.

 

Mccain only picked her to build up hype because Obama didn't pick Hilary. Now if Obama did pick her then rest assured Mccain wouldn't have picked this unknown and un qualified woman.

 

It's crazy how people voted for Bush the 1st time and he ruined our country then voted for him again and he did even worse. I don't get how all of his polls showed that the public wasn't satisfied with Bush yet they'll vote for a man who will do the same things Bush has done.

I'm sorry pal ... but you don't seem to be making much sense to me. She has more executive experience, sadly, than all the candidates - who are all senators and haven't run sh*t. She ran a city, is the governor of an important state ... nobody says you should vote for the ticket because of the VP pick ... that wouldn't be too smart IMHO.

 

But seriously, you plan on putting your hope in "change" - when after months of campaigning it is still amorphous and vague to the point of incomprehensibility?

 

Please tell me what he plans on doing to make things better for the country - honestly.

 

PS. Who gives a damn if her 17 yr-old daughter is knocked up? Would you be happier if it was aborted?

I could care less about her daughter but it's obvious if Obama's daughter was pregnant you'd be all over her.

 

Palin has no experience what so ever when it comes to running a country in case of something happening to Mccain. She ran a state with less the population on Brooklyn, a state that has no real problems compared to many other states in the US and a state that isn't very important in terms of US politics.

 

And it's known you're a Mccain online promoter because you have like 50 thousand different threads about Obama and talking bad about him. Isn't 1 thread enough for you because honestly all of your threads are the exact f*cking same.

You still have no point - substantive response - so I'll just assume you are a douche.

 

Peace and Love -

[Sergi]

 

I'm voting for Obama simply because I'd rather at least we attempt change by getting someone who isn't the status quo president and who is different then previous presidents in more ways then one then elcet a guy who does nothing different from our last disastrous president who has left America in the worst shape ever in modern times.

 

It's funny how people were saying they'd vote for Mccain even more now because of his VP. Well for the people who talked about Obama's experience issue she has absolutley none in areas that matter, she's being investigated for having someone fired for personal reasons, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, she os nothing like Hilary and could not possibly run this country at all if something happened to Mccain.

 

Mccain only picked her to build up hype because Obama didn't pick Hilary. Now if Obama did pick her then rest assured Mccain wouldn't have picked this unknown and un qualified woman.

 

It's crazy how people voted for Bush the 1st time and he ruined our country then voted for him again and he did even worse. I don't get how all of his polls showed that the public wasn't satisfied with Bush yet they'll vote for a man who will do the same things Bush has done.

I'm sorry pal ... but you don't seem to be making much sense to me. She has more executive experience, sadly, than all the candidates - who are all senators and haven't run sh*t. She ran a city, is the governor of an important state ... nobody says you should vote for the ticket because of the VP pick ... that wouldn't be too smart IMHO.

 

But seriously, you plan on putting your hope in "change" - when after months of campaigning it is still amorphous and vague to the point of incomprehensibility?

 

Please tell me what he plans on doing to make things better for the country - honestly.

 

PS. Who gives a damn if her 17 yr-old daughter is knocked up? Would you be happier if it was aborted?

I could care less about her daughter but it's obvious if Obama's daughter was pregnant you'd be all over her.

 

Palin has no experience what so ever when it comes to running a country in case of something happening to Mccain. She ran a state with less the population on Brooklyn, a state that has no real problems compared to many other states in the US and a state that isn't very important in terms of US politics.

 

And it's known you're a Mccain online promoter because you have like 50 thousand different threads about Obama and talking bad about him. Isn't 1 thread enough for you because honestly all of your threads are the exact f*cking same.

You still have no point - substantive response - so I'll just assume you are a douche.

 

Peace and Love -

You've never had a point. All you do is write dumb non sense and bullsh*t about Obama and only the same people that post in your other 20 f*cking stupid and identical threads and respond. Is Obama the anti christ? Can he save the US? Is he a Muslim terrorist? Find out next time in..... Another identical Breaking Bohan Obam Thread

[Sergi]

I'm voting for Obama simply because I'd rather at least we attempt change by getting someone who isn't the status quo president and who is different then previous presidents in more ways then one then elcet a guy who does nothing different from our last disastrous president who has left America in the worst shape ever in modern times.

 

It's funny how people were saying they'd vote for Mccain even more now because of his VP. Well for the people who talked about Obama's experience issue she has absolutley none in areas that matter, she's being investigated for having someone fired for personal reasons, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, she os nothing like Hilary and could not possibly run this country at all if something happened to Mccain.

 

Mccain only picked her to build up hype because Obama didn't pick Hilary. Now if Obama did pick her then rest assured Mccain wouldn't have picked this unknown and un qualified woman.

 

It's crazy how people voted for Bush the 1st time and he ruined our country then voted for him again and he did even worse. I don't get how all of his polls showed that the public wasn't satisfied with Bush yet they'll vote for a man who will do the same things Bush has done.

I'm sorry pal ... but you don't seem to be making much sense to me. She has more executive experience, sadly, than all the candidates - who are all senators and haven't run sh*t. She ran a city, is the governor of an important state ... nobody says you should vote for the ticket because of the VP pick ... that wouldn't be too smart IMHO.

 

But seriously, you plan on putting your hope in "change" - when after months of campaigning it is still amorphous and vague to the point of incomprehensibility?

 

Please tell me what he plans on doing to make things better for the country - honestly.

 

PS. Who gives a damn if her 17 yr-old daughter is knocked up? Would you be happier if it was aborted?

I could care less about her daughter but it's obvious if Obama's daughter was pregnant you'd be all over her.

 

Palin has no experience what so ever when it comes to running a country in case of something happening to Mccain. She ran a state with less the population on Brooklyn, a state that has no real problems compared to many other states in the US and a state that isn't very important in terms of US politics.

 

And it's known you're a Mccain online promoter because you have like 50 thousand different threads about Obama and talking bad about him. Isn't 1 thread enough for you because honestly all of your threads are the exact f*cking same.

Uh, running an "unimportant" state wields a lot more executive experience than Barack "Manny Escuela" Obama, the community organizer. I don't mean to be cliche, but experience isn't one of your strong points.

 

And for the record, in '92 and '96 we didn't touch the Clinton girls (no pun intended). Obama's mother had him when she was in her late teens, what's the big deal?

Well your avatar doesn't help you any not to mention your typical semi racist and dumb nickname for Obama shows you're as typical as Breaking Bohan in your responses so it's obviously pointless to contiune to go back and forth since their are few reasonable people on this forum on this argument.

[Breaking Bohan]

I'm voting for Obama simply because I'd rather at least we attempt change by getting someone who isn't the status quo president and who is different then previous presidents in more ways then one then elcet a guy who does nothing different from our last disastrous president who has left America in the worst shape ever in modern times.

 

It's funny how people were saying they'd vote for Mccain even more now because of his VP. Well for the people who talked about Obama's experience issue she has absolutley none in areas that matter, she's being investigated for having someone fired for personal reasons, her 17 year old daughter is pregnant, she os nothing like Hilary and could not possibly run this country at all if something happened to Mccain.

 

Mccain only picked her to build up hype because Obama didn't pick Hilary. Now if Obama did pick her then rest assured Mccain wouldn't have picked this unknown and un qualified woman.

 

It's crazy how people voted for Bush the 1st time and he ruined our country then voted for him again and he did even worse. I don't get how all of his polls showed that the public wasn't satisfied with Bush yet they'll vote for a man who will do the same things Bush has done.

I'm sorry pal ... but you don't seem to be making much sense to me. She has more executive experience, sadly, than all the candidates - who are all senators and haven't run sh*t. She ran a city, is the governor of an important state ... nobody says you should vote for the ticket because of the VP pick ... that wouldn't be too smart IMHO.

 

But seriously, you plan on putting your hope in "change" - when after months of campaigning it is still amorphous and vague to the point of incomprehensibility?

 

Please tell me what he plans on doing to make things better for the country - honestly.

 

PS. Who gives a damn if her 17 yr-old daughter is knocked up? Would you be happier if it was aborted?

I could care less about her daughter but it's obvious if Obama's daughter was pregnant you'd be all over her.

 

Palin has no experience what so ever when it comes to running a country in case of something happening to Mccain. She ran a state with less the population on Brooklyn, a state that has no real problems compared to many other states in the US and a state that isn't very important in terms of US politics.

 

And it's known you're a Mccain online promoter because you have like 50 thousand different threads about Obama and talking bad about him. Isn't 1 thread enough for you because honestly all of your threads are the exact f*cking same.

You still have no point - substantive response - so I'll just assume you are a douche.

 

Peace and Love -

You've never had a point. All you do is write dumb non sense and bullsh*t about Obama and only the same people that post in your other 20 f*cking stupid and identical threads and respond. Is Obama the anti christ? Can he save the US? Is he a Muslim terrorist? Find out next time in..... Another identical Breaking Bohan Obam Thread

I was just capturing the essence of the media's whims and relating my observations to these forums. I can't help if the offend your delicate sensibilities, and frankly I dont give a damn!

 

Your candidate has NO position to stand on except "change" .... that's like standing on "air" - give me a break!

 

If he wins - I hope you enjoy it because it won't be the same America ... He voted "present' over 100 times for f*cks sake!

What an idiot!