GTA IV vs SA

[[CTD]LaBan]

This is almost like GTA2 vs. GTAIII, one is topdown and the other is 3D, different technologies. Now - which one is more "realistic"?

 

/hijack topic

[yomomsmokes420]

 

There are no stupid themes, like Niko repeatedly saying "I need the money", while he has half a million in the bank. Or when Roman has gambling debts, Niko has the dosh, but he can't help him out. Or that "rags to better rags" fiasco. There are no such things in SA not in any previous GTA. This is what I meant about "making sense". SA story was over the top and it wasn't realistic, but guess what? I played it over and over again and had a lot of fun.

 

Are you f*cking serious? That's all that CJ says once he gets to the countryside!

 

Dude, do you even own these games?

[SkapeGote]

Are you guys seriously suggesting that you bought any GTA game for the story?. Wow I must be missing something. Now I have not played 4, but I own every PC gta. This includes 1 and 2. I hate to admit it, but I have never beaten any of them. I only play the missions until the entire map is unlocked. I never considered GTA anything more than a Pedestrian/Player Character killing machine..... with vehicles. Ignoring 1 and 2, the storylines just sucked in all of them

 

GTA3 - Generic action movie script

VC - Dramatic Mafia ripoff movie

SA - Boys in the Hood rip off

 

I will reserve judgement until I play 4, but as far as i am concered she will just be another play till I can go where I want then ignore the storyline till I get bored with it. I am probably alot older than most of you, so I am a bit jaded by video games. I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response. Except maybe funny. Even the all holy Half-Life and it's sequel were pretty pathetic in the script department.

 

Also, most of the main characters in GTA games are about as deep as a Kanye West video. All show, not real talent.

 

Claude - Mute..... nuff said

Tommy - Can you get more of a cliche? Jesus why not just call him Tommy "Al Pachino/Godfather" Vercetti. He was the worst of all the characters. Just utter garbage.

Carl - Carl was almost believeable at first, as a gang banger, then it got weird. Most gangbangers can't read there own tatoo's let alone work for the "The Man".

 

All in all, I think realism went out the window when GTA became a VIDEO GAME. The argument for realism is just a vehicle to argue the real point. That point beinig, did R* leave to much out of 4. You guys can hide under the guise of this all you want, but that is the straight up, booty, dope, jive right there. You want realism?. The main character should have been a white rapper, who everyone makes fun of and beats up. The he snaps and goes postal inside his High School. Then you spend the rest of the game finding ways of bla,ing music, movies, and videos games for why you did it.

 

Screw realism, I want my pedestrian muder simulator. To me, this is the essence of GTA..... smell the essence. It smells of ........ cookies.

 

Skape

[Neon25]

I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response.

 

Are you for real?

 

 

Try Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven.

 

Try The Witcher.

 

Then say that no emotional/moral response or great story are present in video games.

 

But then again, if you had thought so, you would probably be deaf and blind.

[yomomsmokes420]

 

I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response.

 

Are you for real?

 

 

Try Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven.

 

Try The Witcher.

 

Then say that no emotional/moral response or great story are present in video games.

 

But then again, if you had thought so, you would probably be deaf and blind.

Can you tell me what happened at the end of Mafia? I got to the part where you killed the don of another gang, but I kept dying so I broke my game.

 

OT: I used the think the SA storyline was amazing, but now that I think of it, it's not. What black trash from the ghetto knows how to operate a tank, jetpack, and Harrier jumpjet, let alone a minigun, an RPG, and a big rig? This guy is just a thug, he's uneducated.

[Neon25]

 

I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response.

 

Are you for real?

 

 

Try Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven.

 

Try The Witcher.

 

Then say that no emotional/moral response or great story are present in video games.

 

But then again, if you had thought so, you would probably be deaf and blind.

Can you tell me what happened at the end of Mafia? I got to the part where you killed the don of another gang, but I kept dying so I broke my game.

Kinda spoiler here buddy, but...

 

HUGE SPOILER

 

 

You and Paulie decided to rob the bank without Don's permission. You did it successfully. The day after the heist, you find Paulie dead. You receive a call from Sam to meet you at the city gallery ASAP. He informs that Don is after you. After you enter the gallery, you know that Sam worked with Don and that he killed Paulie. He tries to kill you now. You eventually kill Sam, it's the first time Tommy pulls a trigger on a friend, though he still hestitates. Sam told Tommy that they eventually found Frank (the right hand of Don who betrayed him because FBI threatened to kill his family) in Europe and killed him. And so they found the whore and killed her too. Tommy still hesitates to kill Sam, though he does it after Sam says that "Friendship ain't worth sh*t".

 

You're back to reality. You say the Detective you were meeting with that you will tell everything to police if they include you in the witness protection program. He agrees. You spend 10 years in secret location to write legal stuff for the court. Bank accounts, names, everything, with no visitors. You don't see Sarah anymore or your daughter.

 

You survived the WWII. You're moved to another region of USA. Tommy's an old man now. Suddenly a car stops by Tommy's house. He reacts to his older name, though he changed it. The dialog goes like this:

 

- Mr. Angelo?

- Um, yes?

- Mr. Salieri sends his regards.

 

*BAM*

 

They shoot you. The ending speech goes like this:

 

 

"You know, the world isn't run by the laws written on paper. It's run by people. Some according to law, others not. It depends on each individual how his world will be, how HE makes it. And you also need a whole lot of luck, so that somebody else doesn't make YOUR life hell. And it ain't as simple as they tell you in grade schools. But it is good to have strong values and to maintain them. In marriage, in crime, in war. Always and everywhere.

 

I messed up.

 

So did Paulie and Sam.

 

We all wanted a better live, but we ended up worse than other people.

 

I think it's important to... keep balance in things.

 

Yeah, balance, that's the right word.

 

Because the guy who wants too much, risks losing absolutely EVERYTHING. Of course the guy who wants too little from life, might not get anything at all.

 

I actually cried at that speech.

Edited August 27, 2008 by Neon25

[Vasilyrud]

I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response.

 

OT: I used the think the SA storyline was amazing, but now that I think of it, it's not. What black trash from the ghetto knows how to operate a tank, jetpack, and Harrier jumpjet, let alone a minigun, an RPG, and a big rig? This guy is just a thug, he's uneducated.

And it all started from a a car thug (grand theft auto of grand auto theft)

[SkapeGote]

Yeah I own Mafia and The Witcher. Mafia bored me pretty quick. Story was not my thing, and I love gangster movies. Donnie Brasco = Awsome, Mafia = Dog doo on a stick. It was just badly written. As for the Witcher, I liked the game alot, it was fun and exciting. The story was just a big cliche. Dude has amnesia, dude remembers nothing but embraces what is happening to him. Dude has sex with everybody. Meets Alvin, the sterotypical "Boy with Magic he cannot control" character. You kill, you make moral decisions with little or no real consequence. Then you move into the "I am not sure I enjoy the lifestyle anymore moment" that Geralt, and every other RPG character goes through.

 

I dunno seemed pretty sad, no where near as good as the books were. This is not to say some parts are good, but I would never say a game script could compete with and real decent boomk or movie.

 

Skape

[GTA_Godfather]

SkapeGote,

 

You're half right. It's NOT realistic. Take features out and putting new ones in doesn't make it more realistic. I'm not buying the game just to wreak havoc and mayhem though. That would get old very fast.

 

Though it's not that DEEP as you say, it's certainly more engaging that most other storylines. Without the characters and dialog, it would be just a dopey shooter, regardless of the new game engine or euphoria (mostly ragdoll).

 

Keys to GTA's success:

 

1) Detailed environment (based on real-world places! No sci-fi crap that no one cares about) which is chock full of witty satire/humor and crazy peds. Think of all the weird things they say. Also, there was never a shortage of stores, advertising, easter eggs, or radio stations. It begs players to explore it.

 

2) Good story (not linear, movie-like Mafia-type story, but very good). It's not all believable, but this suspension of reality helps to increase the fun-factor (like jumping from one plane to another in SA). Also, being yanked around in SA was a bit far-fetched, but it was probably the only way they could move CJ around the map to open it up. I don't know the IV storyline so I can't speak about it.

 

3) Interesting characters. The voice acting is always top notch (for a game). Again, not the most believable in the world, but R* wanted to keep the attention-grabbing fun at very high level. Suspending reality a little bit helps in this effort. I've laughed so many times at these characters.

 

Everything else is secondary, like the cell phone and all the other new features (like multiplayer, player-character relationships, euphoria, etc.).

 

Those are some great things that are hard to find in other games. Now, I could have already finished this game on a dopey console, but when something is this unique, this special, why water-down the greatness? The PC is my platform of choice and I truly hope R* delivers and makes it better than we all thought. As far as SA vs. IV, realism had nothing to do with the core of GTAs in the past, so I can't see it being advantage or disadvantage with IV. The only issue I see is if IV is too "restrained". If they held back too much for the sake of realism, then it might not measure up in the fun department.

 

 

 

[Mr. Rocko]

 

I hated SA.

 

The whole "homies from da block fool" never did it for me. I like old fashioned maffia style missions. Like GTA III, hence why GTA III is my faverate GTA.

 

 

Why not because it's black?

Once Rockstar made a game with a life of a black person everyone hates it bullsh*t.

[GTA_Godfather]

There are many kinds of gangs, nute101. Some find some gangs interesting and others not. What's wrong with that? For every person that comes out and says they don't care for the black gang culture as a theme for a game, you could have another one that doesn't care for the Italian gang culture or the Hispanic gang culture. Let's not make it a race issue.

 

 

 

[thaCURSEDpie]

I hated SA.

 

The whole "homies from da block fool" never did it for me. I like old fashioned maffia style missions. Like GTA III, hence why GTA III is my faverate GTA.

 

 

Why not because it's black?

Once Rockstar made a game with a life of a black person everyone hates it bullsh*t.

I'm with P-thunder here. I don't like this Yo-Flow-Shizzle-Out-Of-Da-Hood-Homie-Bling-Bling-Flippidy-Floop style.

 

I just don't like it. It has nothing to do with race, I just think these "homies" or whatever they call themselves are pathetic.

(On the other hand, I think the "Italian mafia" is cool (not IRL ofcourse!), it's just more appealing to me. What would you like better? "Hey, Tony, put him in the trunk, we are gonna take care of business..." or: "Yo, man, you disrespectin' me? Me 'n mah homies's gonn' cap yo' ass!".

 

I think the first one has... Well, more class.

 

And the new theme, with the Russians and all, I think it's cool. They are just "cold-ice killers" (as CJ would call them).

[tamiravigan]

my favorite gta game is gta 3, i don't care about the f*cked graphic.

i'm not a graphic slut.

[freak2121]

I hated SA.

 

The whole "homies from da block fool" never did it for me. I like old fashioned maffia style missions. Like GTA III, hence why GTA III is my faverate GTA.

 

 

Why not because it's black?

Once Rockstar made a game with a life of a black person everyone hates it bullsh*t.

I'm with P-thunder here. I don't like this Yo-Flow-Shizzle-Out-Of-Da-Hood-Homie-Bling-Bling-Flippidy-Floop style.

 

I just don't like it. It has nothing to do with race, I just think these "homies" or whatever they call themselves are pathetic.

(On the other hand, I think the "Italian mafia" is cool (not IRL ofcourse!), it's just more appealing to me. What would you like better? "Hey, Tony, put him in the trunk, we are gonna take care of business..." or: "Yo, man, you disrespectin' me? Me 'n mah homies's gonn' cap yo' ass!".

 

I think the first one has... Well, more class.

 

And the new theme, with the Russians and all, I think it's cool. They are just "cold-ice killers" (as CJ would call them).

Yeah I prefer the Mafia over "Homies for life" thing.

[Neon25]

I hated SA.

 

The whole "homies from da block fool" never did it for me. I like old fashioned maffia style missions. Like GTA III, hence why GTA III is my faverate GTA.

 

 

Why not because it's black?

Once Rockstar made a game with a life of a black person everyone hates it bullsh*t.

I'm with P-thunder here. I don't like this Yo-Flow-Shizzle-Out-Of-Da-Hood-Homie-Bling-Bling-Flippidy-Floop style.

 

I just don't like it. It has nothing to do with race, I just think these "homies" or whatever they call themselves are pathetic.

(On the other hand, I think the "Italian mafia" is cool (not IRL ofcourse!), it's just more appealing to me. What would you like better? "Hey, Tony, put him in the trunk, we are gonna take care of business..." or: "Yo, man, you disrespectin' me? Me 'n mah homies's gonn' cap yo' ass!".

 

I think the first one has... Well, more class.

 

And the new theme, with the Russians and all, I think it's cool. They are just "cold-ice killers" (as CJ would call them).

Yeah I prefer the Mafia over "Homies for life" thing.

+1

[Flesh-n-Bone]

Homies > this boring and repetitive mafia crap any day for me. I love street gang storylines, so bring it back on the next GTA but more properly without having to fly a jetpack over the desert.

 

Do not complain because that's my own type.

[Dhatz]

Are you guys seriously suggesting that you bought any GTA game for the story?. Wow I must be missing something. Now I have not played 4, but I own every PC gta. This includes 1 and 2. I hate to admit it, but I have never beaten any of them. I only play the missions until the entire map is unlocked. I never considered GTA anything more than a Pedestrian/Player Character killing machine..... with vehicles. Ignoring 1 and 2, the storylines just sucked in all of them

 

GTA3 - Generic action movie script

VC - Dramatic Mafia ripoff movie

SA - Boys in the Hood rip off

 

I will reserve judgement until I play 4, but as far as i am concered she will just be another play till I can go where I want then ignore the storyline till I get bored with it. I am probably alot older than most of you, so I am a bit jaded by video games. I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response. Except maybe funny. Even the all holy Half-Life and it's sequel were pretty pathetic in the script department.

 

Also, most of the main characters in GTA games are about as deep as a Kanye West video. All show, not real talent.

 

Claude - Mute..... nuff said

Tommy - Can you get more of a cliche? Jesus why not just call him Tommy "Al Pachino/Godfather" Vercetti. He was the worst of all the characters. Just utter garbage.

Carl - Carl was almost believeable at first, as a gang banger, then it got weird. Most gangbangers can't read there own tatoo's let alone work for the "The Man".

 

All in all, I think realism went out the window when GTA became a VIDEO GAME. The argument for realism is just a vehicle to argue the real point. That point beinig, did R* leave to much out of 4. You guys can hide under the guise of this all you want, but that is the straight up, booty, dope, jive right there. You want realism?. The main character should have been a white rapper, who everyone makes fun of and beats up. The he snaps and goes postal inside his High School. Then you spend the rest of the game finding ways of bla,ing music, movies, and videos games for why you did it.

 

Screw realism, I want my pedestrian muder simulator. To me, this is the essence of GTA..... smell the essence. It smells of ........ cookies.

 

Skape

you dude,should get a nobel prize for it.

 

whou can they dare to pretend IV is anything better without hi-fi water physic,proper euphoria integration and a real-ass car deformation. have you seen crashes in Burnout paradise? (comes something(?) after christmass, they have pushed it again) how is it supposed to be any better when there are only cars,bikes and boats? do lame overused soft shadows make it look real?

wake up,we are eating the same crap since they were invented.

 

but there's a high probability they made the sound engine a lot better than the whack others use. that is the only advancement i can find. euphoria is underused, so it doesn't count.

i predict that IV is gonna be a small fish in the wildly growing pond of games where many and many of other come out before and after it. I dislike this destiny of a GTA.

[CryptReaperDorian]

Actually no GTA is really realistic, GTA IV is lucky if it is even 0.1% realistic. I mean if somebody jumps 25 feet out of the air I'm sure they will atleast get hurt instead of rolling out of it without any damage. Niko, maybe not as invulnerable as other GTA playable protagonists, can still take a number of bullets before dying. Niko can fight off over 100 law enforcers and still escape them alive. In this case, Niko is like a superhuman and that is more suited as a Hollywood movie than real life. Has anyone ever played stealth games like Manhunt? Those characters are more realistic as they are at a huge disadvantage even against two enemies when it comes to melee combat as the enemies have about the same (or it seems like) amount of health the playable character and your best choice is just to run away and hide.

[nikothegrate]

Actually no GTA is really realistic, GTA IV is lucky if it is even 0.1% realistic. I mean if somebody jumps 25 feet out of the air I'm sure they will atleast get hurt instead of rolling out of it without any damage. Niko, maybe not as invulnerable as other GTA playable protagonists, can still take a number of bullets before dying. Niko can fight off over 100 law enforcers and still escape them alive. In this case, Niko is like a superhuman and that is more suited as a Hollywood movie than real life. Has anyone ever played stealth games like Manhunt? Those characters are more realistic as they are at a huge disadvantage even against two enemies when it comes to melee combat as the enemies have about the same (or it seems like) amount of health the playable character and your best choice is just to run away and hide.

gta 4 is realistic in the sense that its anchored to reality, or at least try to (physics, graphics,story, etc.). like if u go out in real life and test some of the things. u might find a total different result. and ITS A GAME and aways will be. Unless u learn to lucid dream lol.

[Algonquin Assassin]

I hated SA.

 

The whole "homies from da block fool" never did it for me. I like old fashioned maffia style missions. Like GTA III, hence why GTA III is my faverate GTA.

 

 

Why not because it's black?

Once Rockstar made a game with a life of a black person everyone hates it bullsh*t.

Don't pull out the race card.

 

I happen to agree with him. I find the "homie" theme to be quite annoying.

 

Mafia anyday of the week.

[freak2121]

I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response.

 

Are you for real?

 

 

Try Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven.

 

Try The Witcher.

 

Then say that no emotional/moral response or great story are present in video games.

 

But then again, if you had thought so, you would probably be deaf and blind.

Can you tell me what happened at the end of Mafia? I got to the part where you killed the don of another gang, but I kept dying so I broke my game.

If you don't want to read it, there a youtube vid:

 

Major spoiler in vids.

 

Part 1:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=TuS5eih37Hg&feature=related

Part 2:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pl-BMGNcJY&feature=related

 

Alot better than reading it.

[D- Ice]

I have never met one that had the most amazing story, or even one that invoked an emotional response.

 

Are you for real?

 

 

Try Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven.

 

Try The Witcher.

 

Then say that no emotional/moral response or great story are present in video games.

 

But then again, if you had thought so, you would probably be deaf and blind.

Can you tell me what happened at the end of Mafia? I got to the part where you killed the don of another gang, but I kept dying so I broke my game.

If you don't want to read it, there a youtube vid:

 

Major spoiler in vids.

 

Part 1:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=TuS5eih37Hg&feature=related

Part 2:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pl-BMGNcJY&feature=related

 

Alot better than reading it.

Yeah, man I totally forgot about that game. f*cking epic story and mission-structure, I really liked it despite the bad AI in it's version of "free-roam". Man, I got to the series of missions called "Lucky Bastard", and had to lend it to a friend who looses the third CD (PC version had three CD's).

 

I absolutely loved the coherent and intertwining storyline of that game, and the actual feel of starting in the same compound behind that restaurant actually gave it so much atmosphere - and you actually felt you was in the Mafia. Also, I noticed how the city developed over time and cars got newer - despite all looking like the sh*t my (great) grandpa would have driven.

 

Now I can go on comparing it to GTA 4 now I finished the game, but it wont be appropriate. PM me if anyone wants to hear my two cents on comparing those two games.

 

Thanks very much Freak for reminding me bro, I'll try buying that game and replaying it again - especially now it'll be much cheaper than before.

[Mr.Ruthless]

I actually cried at that speech.

Mafia proved that games are not just games. They are a form of art, just like movies. They can scare you, they can make you applaude at the ending, or they can make you cry.

 

About SA, the gangbanger thing was fun at the beginning, but it got ridiculous. A lot of gangbangers can't even spell their names, let alone plan a casino heist. Or fly a plane.

[mkey82]

I actually cried at that speech.

Mafia proved that games are not just games. They are a form of art, just like movies. They can scare you, they can make you applaude at the ending, or they can make you cry.

 

About SA, the gangbanger thing was fun at the beginning, but it got ridiculous. A lot of gangbangers can't even spell their names, let alone plan a casino heist. Or fly a plane.

Yes, this is why GTA is an action game, not "Sims: Gangbangers first day in school on his 25th birthday"

 

It was over the top, but extremely fun. Had they removed any of those features, the game would lose a lot on variety replay value.

[Mr.Ruthless]

I actually cried at that speech.

Mafia proved that games are not just games. They are a form of art, just like movies. They can scare you, they can make you applaude at the ending, or they can make you cry.

 

About SA, the gangbanger thing was fun at the beginning, but it got ridiculous. A lot of gangbangers can't even spell their names, let alone plan a casino heist. Or fly a plane.

Yes, this is why GTA is an action game, not "Sims: Gangbangers first day in school on his 25th birthday"

 

It was over the top, but extremely fun. Had they removed any of those features, the game would lose a lot on variety replay value.

That was ridiculous, but yeah, it was fun.

[packardcaribien]

 

I don't really want to say much about IV, because I can't. I only saw a few non-mission videos when it first came out (obviously, not much to gather from a graphical/sound perspective).

 

I don't see why posters say it's more realistic. Because they removed certain features? I think that's more about making room for others: phones, GTA internet, improved and more serious dialog, euphoria, etc. I would say (from what I've seen and heard) it's less OVER-THE-TOP, but not more realistic.

 

BTW, the Euphoria animations look better (less canned) than before, but it still looks very "rag doll" to me. And, from what I heard, not THAT realistic. Niko can be tossed around like a rag doll and that he stumbles awkwardly over stuff he shouldn't sometimes.

 

To me, realistic is Mafia. It's on a whole other realm of realism. The animations were all canned, but remember that was back in 2002, eons ago. I can't wait to be reacquainted with that realism in Mafia 2. It's much more engaging when you don't have unlimited ammo, it takes varying amounts of time to change clips/magazines, and weapons are much more nuanced in terms of power, range, aim, etc. It wasn't just the weapons. It was the cars, AI, and everything.

 

 

 

I don't Think I've Ever heard Any More Right. BTW If you like Mafia Visit Here:

http://www.mafiascene.com (http://www.mafiascene.com)

 

I Don't know how you guys can Honestly compare SA and IV! IV is "Realistic" And SA is genuinly FUN! Graphics are NOT everything. Granted IV might have more tedios Features, but SA had a Greater varitey!

 

I'm Going To end this with an Analogy:

GTA IV is like March of The Pengiuns, while GTA SA is like Happy Feet

 

[gtahomie]

sa will always rule. no offence to gta IV playe.rs

[Grand Theft Auto Dude]

Engine's

 

Europhia engine or what ever

 

in SA is San andreas engine or whatever

You sure did do alot of research for this topic, didn't you?

[--Vega--]

IV is the most realistic out of all the GTAs, no doubt.

[Vasilyrud]

IV is the most realistic out of all the GTAs, no doubt.

Ummm . . . . . . . . yes it is.

 

Or is it?