GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) So it wouldn't be far more fun to have lots of different stuff to do? would this in any way hinder your imagination? would it all of a sudden stop you from being able to use your creativity? or would it give you a greater platform from which to use your imagination in a variety of different ways? im not saying if they had all the old stuff it wouldnt be as fun or wouldnt be able to use my imagination as well, but its not there so get over it and use what you have and stop bitching about it @Miamivicecity : I seen a youtube video that said GTA IV Jackass hahah I didnt watch it though although I should go back and find it and see what they did. sh*t I dont even mean to walk in front of cars and fall it just happens I'll run accross the street and 9/10 I get hit by a car lol EDIT: Heres a pretty well done GTA Jackass video Edited August 13, 2008 by GTAIV_Gangsta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) So it wouldn't be far more fun to have lots of different stuff to do? would this in any way hinder your imagination? would it all of a sudden stop you from being able to use your creativity? or would it give you a greater platform from which to use your imagination in a variety of different ways? Depends on what you mean. I don't rely on fixed activities to have fun. Quite honestly if it's there, it's there, if not...well tough sh*t. I can still find stuff to do. I've said it numerous times, that I find features a bonus. I grew up on the original GTAs, so that's why I'm not bothered by simplicity when it comes to having fun. Edited August 13, 2008 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Haven't tried yet dude, but i will try again in a this afternoon. I just wanted to see if the problem persists. GTAIV_Gangsta, I said let's take it a step further to show that imagination can't be requirement for gaming and it definitelly can't polish over the fact there is a lack of stuff to do. GTA should provide the tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Haven't tried yet dude, but i will try again in a this afternoon. I just wanted to see if the problem persists. GTAIV_Gangsta, I said let's take it a step further to show that imagination can't be requirement for gaming and it definitelly can't polish over the fact there is a lack of stuff to do. GTA should provide the tools. I never said it was required I just said if your bored use your imagination to find things to do because like I said its not that hard, and GTA did provide the tools its called online free roam, hell theres like 15 games mods you can play, just because GTA IV doesnt have unrealistic things like jetpacks and hi jacking jets doesnt mean its not fun, you have to use what they give you and work with it very simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I never said it was required I just said if your bored use your imagination to find things to do because like I said its not that hard, and GTA did provide the tools its called online free roam, hell theres like 15 games mods you can play, just because GTA IV doesnt have unrealistic things like jetpacks and hi jacking jets doesnt mean its not fun, you have to use what they give you and work with it very simple OK, we are going over the same ground again and again so I'll just stop talking about that. Pretty please, don't go over that "unrealistic" vs. the "realistic" stuff. The only thing that's "realistic" in IV is the lack of features. The jet pack actually exists in real life, you know (link). How is it unrealistic then? Do you know what I find unrealistic? Being able to carry 200 pounds of weaponry on your person with even showing. Or when someone who flies through a windshield and splatters over the wall just get's up and continues on foot. They said they wanted to make IV a vertical game. And they did add lots of tall buildings. Where are the parachutes then? Or are those also unrealistic? You definitely can't define "fun" universally. Obviously IV is fun for you, but it wasn't that fun for me. If it wasn't for the modding possibility, I would have let go of it a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) I never said it was required I just said if your bored use your imagination to find things to do because like I said its not that hard, and GTA did provide the tools its called online free roam, hell theres like 15 games mods you can play, just because GTA IV doesnt have unrealistic things like jetpacks and hi jacking jets doesnt mean its not fun, you have to use what they give you and work with it very simple OK, we are going over the same ground again and again so I'll just stop talking about that. Pretty please, don't go over that "unrealistic" vs. the "realistic" stuff. The only thing that's "realistic" in IV is the lack of features. The jet pack actually exists in real life, you know (link). How is it unrealistic then? Do you know what I find unrealistic? Being able to carry 200 pounds of weaponry on your person with even showing. Or when someone who flies through a windshield and splatters over the wall just get's up and continues on foot. They said they wanted to make IV a vertical game. And they did add lots of tall buildings. Where are the parachutes then? Or are those also unrealistic? You definitely can't define "fun" universally. Obviously IV is fun for you, but it wasn't that fun for me. If it wasn't for the modding possibility, I would have let go of it a long time ago. In unrealistic I mean what black guy from the ghetto is gonna steal a jet pack or a jet, and thats the main real difference between GTA IV and SA is the realism but your right you cant hold 200lbs of weapons and fly out of a windshield and live but if they made it to realistic where you could only hold weapons thats in your hand people would bitch about that to, they didnt make life like realistic but its alot more realistic then GTA SA was, and honestly think about it who the hell would parachute in NYC come on now it doesnt matter how R* makes GTA people are always goning to find a way to bitch about something, prefect example "wheres the fingerless gloves" thats just pathetic Edited August 13, 2008 by GTAIV_Gangsta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 You definitely can't define "fun" universally. Obviously IV is fun for you, but it wasn't that fun for me. Just like "boring" can't be defined universally, yet some people try their hardest to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 and honestly think about it who the hell would parachute in NYC come on now Who would run about NYC with an assault rifle or an rpg on his shoulder? Miamivicecity, where did I say "boring"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 and honestly think about it who the hell would parachute in NYC come on now Who would run about NYC with an assault rifle or an rpg on his shoulder? Miamivicecity, where did I say "boring"? obviously Niko Belic and he dont want to parachute to piss people off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 obviously Niko Belic and he dont want to parachute to piss people off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Miamivicecity, where did I say "boring"? I didn't make that point, because of anything particular you said. It was a "general" thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Mozzarelli 80 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 So it wouldn't be far more fun to have lots of different stuff to do? would this in any way hinder your imagination? would it all of a sudden stop you from being able to use your creativity? or would it give you a greater platform from which to use your imagination in a variety of different ways? Depends on what you mean. I don't rely on fixed activities to have fun. Quite honestly if it's there, it's there, if not...well tough sh*t. I can still find stuff to do. I've said it numerous times, that I find features a bonus. I grew up on the original GTAs, so that's why I'm not bothered by simplicity when it comes to having fun. I grew up with Pac Man, but times have moved on since then. people expect more from their games. It is no longer enough to play a simple little game, because we have become accustomed to better. Hence the reason you find yourself unable to get back into SA, because let's face it, there's nothing you can do in IV that you couldn't do in SA, but it's simply not good enough now because we have become used to better visuals. The same applies for gameplay though. I honestly fail to see how you think that your ability to find something so inane as falling from a helicopter over and over again fun, is testament to your greater attention span. That seems a little contradictory to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Miamivicecity, where did I say "boring"? I didn't make that point, because of anything particular you said. It was a "general" thought. Oh, in that case I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) So it wouldn't be far more fun to have lots of different stuff to do? would this in any way hinder your imagination? would it all of a sudden stop you from being able to use your creativity? or would it give you a greater platform from which to use your imagination in a variety of different ways? Depends on what you mean. I don't rely on fixed activities to have fun. Quite honestly if it's there, it's there, if not...well tough sh*t. I can still find stuff to do. I've said it numerous times, that I find features a bonus. I grew up on the original GTAs, so that's why I'm not bothered by simplicity when it comes to having fun. I grew up with Pac Man, but times have moved on since then. people expect more from their games. It is no longer enough to play a simple little game, because we have become accustomed to better. Hence the reason you find yourself unable to get back into SA, because let's face it, there's nothing you can do in IV that you couldn't do in SA, but it's simply not good enough now because we have become used to better visuals. The same applies for gameplay though. I honestly fail to see how you think that your ability to find something so inane as falling from a helicopter over and over again fun, is testament to your greater attention span. That seems a little contradictory to me theres things you can do in GTA IV that you cant do in SA, play online, new cover system, get a car wash, accaully "fight" people, take helicopter rides, watch tv, get on the internet, go see a show, go do things with your friends, use a cell phone, police computer, more hooker options, theres lots of sh*t in GTA IV that you cant do in SA. Im not saying GTA SA sucks I love it, and GTA IV would be even better if it had EVERYTHING SA did plus what GTA IV has but it doesnt so oh well EDIT: sh*t you couldnt even turn your car off in SA in IV just hold RB (or L1 on ps3) then holy Y (or triangle) to get out and it shuts your car off. I mean its not that big of a deal but still GTA has alot to do with cars you should be able to turn the damn thing off, but in IV you can Edited August 13, 2008 by GTAIV_Gangsta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) I grew up with Pac Man, but times have moved on since then. people expect more from their games. It is no longer enough to play a simple little game, because we have become accustomed to better. Hence the reason you find yourself unable to get back into SA, because let's face it, there's nothing you can do in IV that you couldn't do in SA, but it's simply not good enough now because we have become used to better visuals. The same applies for gameplay though. I honestly fail to see how you think that your ability to find something so inane as falling from a helicopter over and over again fun, is testament to your greater attention span. That seems a little contradictory to me Are you saying I can't get back into SA, because of visuals? If so, that's not the case. I just find the game dull, and it can't hold me like it used to. Sure it has all of these things, but what's the point if I can't push myself to play it? Keeping in mind I still like it I just like IV more, and find it the better game. As for finding jumping out of a helicopter over, and over again inane, well fair enough. There's probably things you consider fun, that would bore the sh*t out of me, but I guess that's what makes us different right? theres things you can do in GTA IV that you cant do in SA, play online, new cover system, get a car wash, accaully "fight" people, take helicopter rides, watch tv, get on the internet, go see a show, go do things with your friends, use a cell phone, police computer, more hooker options, theres lots of sh*t in GTA IV that you cant do in SA. Not to mention the story choices, which IMO is probably the best thing about the entire game. People would kill if story choices were in an older GTA. Imagine being able to spare Salvatore in GTA III? Lance in VC? Ryder, and Big Smoke in SA? . There are other things aswell... I CAN'T do assassination missions in SA. I CAN'T do most wanted mssions in SA. I CAN'T do drug running missions in SA. I CAN'T fly through the window of a car, during a heavy impact in SA. There's probably more, but I can't think of anything else atm. To even suggest that you can't do anything in IV that you could do in SA, is a very narrow minded belief to uphold, because there are things in IV you can't do in SA. Whether these things are boring, or pointless are irrelvent. That's not even the point. Edited August 13, 2008 by Miamivicecity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I 100% agree on the story choices where def the best part I played through the game twice and choose all the choices I didnt choose the first time just to see how the game went. I really hope they continue that in the future GTA's because that is a bad ass feature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I 100% agree on the story choices where def the best part I played through the game twice and choose all the choices I didnt choose the first time just to see how the game went. I really hope they continue that in the future GTA's because that is a bad ass feature Hell yes. All that needs to be fixed is the consequences, but it was still a nice feature, and gave two potential outcomes everytime it was used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Mozzarelli 80 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes but it is a pretty meager list, given that we have moved onto next gen. And if it's not the visuals in SA that you can't stomach then what is it? You can still do all the same stuff with regards to driving around killing people and generally having fun, not to mention the wealth of activities that you can do. so what is it that makes it dull? Besides that list of things you just mentioned. I can no longer do any of them, they are all finished and i can't replay them besides flying through the windscreen, which isn't 'something to do' it's just something that happens. There is very little that you can 'DO' in IV that you couldn't in SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes but it is a pretty meager list, given that we have moved onto next gen. And if it's not the visuals in SA that you can't stomach then what is it? You can still do all the same stuff with regards to driving around killing people and generally having fun, not to mention the wealth of activities that you can do. so what is it that makes it dull? Besides that list of things you just mentioned. I can no longer do any of them, they are all finished and i can't replay them besides flying through the windscreen, which isn't 'something to do' it's just something that happens. There is very little that you can 'DO' in IV that you couldn't in SA. dude u can watch tv play on the internet go to shows and do all that sh*t when ever you want, and im telling you the online makes a big difference when you have 15 other people thinking of things to do 9/10 one of those 15 people have a good idea, if you havnt noticed online is a big part of GTA IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkey82 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Salvatore in GTA III? Lance in VC? Ryder, and Big Smoke in SA? . Spare Lance? Are you kidding? I enjoyed killing that god damn conniving backstabber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Mozzarelli 80 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes but it is a pretty meager list, given that we have moved onto next gen. And if it's not the visuals in SA that you can't stomach then what is it? You can still do all the same stuff with regards to driving around killing people and generally having fun, not to mention the wealth of activities that you can do. so what is it that makes it dull? Besides that list of things you just mentioned. I can no longer do any of them, they are all finished and i can't replay them besides flying through the windscreen, which isn't 'something to do' it's just something that happens. There is very little that you can 'DO' in IV that you couldn't in SA. dude u can watch tv play on the internet go to shows and do all that sh*t when ever you want, and im telling you the online makes a big difference when you have 15 other people thinking of things to do 9/10 one of those 15 people have a good idea, if you havnt noticed online is a big part of GTA IV well i don't consider TV or Cabaret to be things to 'DO' but yes you're right about the multiplayer. Problem is that it's badly implemented, and connection is frequently lost which is a major annoyance, despite a few other little annoyances, but yes i would agree with you that multiplayer would be a major addition to replayability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomomsmokes420 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes but it is a pretty meager list, given that we have moved onto next gen. And if it's not the visuals in SA that you can't stomach then what is it? You can still do all the same stuff with regards to driving around killing people and generally having fun, not to mention the wealth of activities that you can do. so what is it that makes it dull? Besides that list of things you just mentioned. I can no longer do any of them, they are all finished and i can't replay them besides flying through the windscreen, which isn't 'something to do' it's just something that happens. There is very little that you can 'DO' in IV that you couldn't in SA. dude u can watch tv play on the internet go to shows and do all that sh*t when ever you want, and im telling you the online makes a big difference when you have 15 other people thinking of things to do 9/10 one of those 15 people have a good idea, if you havnt noticed online is a big part of GTA IV well i don't consider TV or Cabaret to be things to 'DO' but yes you're right about the multiplayer. Problem is that it's badly implemented, and connection is frequently lost which is a major annoyance, despite a few other little annoyances, but yes i would agree with you that multiplayer would be a major addition to replayability If you're "osing connection it's probably your connection to your console. I've played GTA online literally hundreds of times, and I've only lost connection once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes but it is a pretty meager list, given that we have moved onto next gen. And if it's not the visuals in SA that you can't stomach then what is it? You can still do all the same stuff with regards to driving around killing people and generally having fun, not to mention the wealth of activities that you can do. so what is it that makes it dull? Besides that list of things you just mentioned. I can no longer do any of them, they are all finished and i can't replay them besides flying through the windscreen, which isn't 'something to do' it's just something that happens. There is very little that you can 'DO' in IV that you couldn't in SA. dude u can watch tv play on the internet go to shows and do all that sh*t when ever you want, and im telling you the online makes a big difference when you have 15 other people thinking of things to do 9/10 one of those 15 people have a good idea, if you havnt noticed online is a big part of GTA IV well i don't consider TV or Cabaret to be things to 'DO' but yes you're right about the multiplayer. Problem is that it's badly implemented, and connection is frequently lost which is a major annoyance, despite a few other little annoyances, but yes i would agree with you that multiplayer would be a major addition to replayability are you palying on ps3 or xbox cuz every game I play on xbox works just fine with occasional lag here and there but for the most part it works great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Mozzarelli 80 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I play on Xbox, but i haven't been online in a while. It isn't my connection though because it's fine with all other games and many others have experienced the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomomsmokes420 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Same. I was connecting fine, until now. My 360 just won't connect. Neither will my Ps2, and it's not my router/modem. I spent freakin' 4 hours on the MS Customer support. They didn't help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 I play on Xbox, but i haven't been online in a while. It isn't my connection though because it's fine with all other games and many others have experienced the same thing well they have put out a patch, because at lunch yes there was alot of connection issues and it was rather annoying but not it runs great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Yes but it is a pretty meager list, given that we have moved onto next gen. And if it's not the visuals in SA that you can't stomach then what is it? You can still do all the same stuff with regards to driving around killing people and generally having fun, not to mention the wealth of activities that you can do. so what is it that makes it dull? Besides that list of things you just mentioned. I can no longer do any of them, they are all finished and i can't replay them besides flying through the windscreen, which isn't 'something to do' it's just something that happens. There is very little that you can 'DO' in IV that you couldn't in SA. I think it's the style of the game. I'm over the cartoony arcadish style. When I try to run around killing people, it just feels "dull". I like how in IV they react like humans, instead of lifeless zombies. Playing SA after IV feels like playing a violent cartoon to be honest. Yes ok I know SA has a wealth of activities, but what's the point when I can't play it for more then 10 minutes? SA served me well when it first came out, but not anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Mozzarelli 80 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 Well naturally, that's because it's four years old, that's why people are disappointed that the current gen' game doesn't have as much to do. because they're finished with SA and they want to play the new game, but they find themselves ultimately bored, because they have little to do besides killing sprees. I admit that they are very fun, but for an example of what i'm saying, read that '69 things to do ' thread, they are having to reach incredibly for ideas because there aren't many tools at their disposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAIV_Gangsta Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 yea i love how they act like real people and not just oh ok shoot me, plus when you run them over in a car its alot more fun to watch in GTA IV with the phyics rather than SA where they fly straight up in the air sprung out like there about to do snow angles and then land on the ground that was cool 4 years ago now its just ehhh wtf is that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yomomsmokes420 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 If you guys love SA so much, go on that forum and stop complaining about IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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