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Rhoda

There Is Nothing Wrong With Eating Meat...

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Tony Mozzarelli 80

If they sold it in nice packaging and cut it into steaks i'd eat human too

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Rhoda
If they sold it in nice packaging and cut it into steaks i'd eat human too

Would you? Or would the stigma and mental block of eating human stop you?

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Typhus

I wouldn't eat human meat. I'd be worried about catching AIDS or the ebola virus. Besides, it could be like inbreeding and create some unforseen problems.

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Tony Mozzarelli 80
If they sold it in nice packaging and cut it into steaks i'd eat human too

Would you? Or would the stigma and mental block of eating human stop you?

Haha, no i wouldn't really, but i'd seriously consider it if it were a toss up between that and MacDonalds

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HolyGrenadeFrenzy

Years ago I was vegitarian and then became vegan....it wasn't so much HARD as it was expensive. Oh sure, I heard all the stories about how bad meat was for you and how great being vegitarian was first. So, I gave it a try. To be honest there was a great health benefit and for a few years I even lost my allergies but I had to keep eating all the time to maintain muscle and I had less than 5 percent body fat that would go up and down all the time.

 

I became very aggressive during that period of time.

 

Then I ran across this jerk who "informed me" that there were more than one body type and some were not meant to be vegitarians because they had to eat too much to survive and that such people were artifacts of the previous genessius and were not as evolved as those who could survive on less food and the natural meat eating humans were something that needed to be exterminated.

 

The funny thing was that it didn't even offend me with words and their meaning it was the way he condescended and the self righteous indignation and the way he looked down his nose at everyone. I had not discussed the fact with him about the fact that I needed 6 moderate meals of vegan food everyday to survive and that a moderate meal took quite some time to consume with the types of food I was eating but still.......something was off about the whole thing.

 

I did far more research and discovered that internationally vegitarians are more aggressive than the average omnivorous human. More things started to make sense.

 

I started eating meat again....I became very ill immidiately but recovered in about five weeks. My perspective is greatly changed.

 

Eat what you like.

 

There are some benefits to being vegitarian so if food is plentiful and inexpensive this may be an option for you. It does increase your aggressive tendencies and that includes your libido.

 

Margirin is far worse for you than butter.

 

People are manipulative and the more aggressive they become the more manipulative they become. Thus, there is a contradiction in the last photo I shall share.

 

 

This seems more honest than its oppositionary even if it is still a slanted advertisement for beef.

 

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It is still better than the other side of things.

 

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Carbine23

Well meat tastes so good that you become happy! Also its good protein for your body. Vegetarian meals are very light and not filling so you have to eat a lot of it to survive. Meat is heavy and has a lot of protein so it lasts you a great amount of time. It's even better if you have vegetables with meat for a greater nutrition.

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Wanted Assailant

I eat dogs and cats. I'm sure the dog would eat me if given the chance.

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1066ant
I don't think it's wrong as long as you're not eating like cats and dogs. :| icon13.gif

 

Why, whats different between a dog and a pig... confused.gif

 

I looked after pigs for 4 years and found them to be smarter than our dogs at the time, and we ate the pigs.

 

The only reason dogs and cats aren't eaten is because of the lack of meat they carry.

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Rhoda

I suppose culture defines diet too. I'm certain that some countries frown upon the consumption of many animals, with many religions forbidding you to eat meat unless it is prepared in a certain way. I may be following stereotypes here, but those that come to mind here are individuals in the East who eat dog and also the Jewish community, who believe in preparing meat to a satisfactory manner.

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Juice By Kayla Marie
I don't think it's wrong as long as you're not eating like cats and dogs. :|  icon13.gif

 

Why, whats different between a dog and a pig... confused.gif

 

I looked after pigs for 4 years and found them to be smarter than our dogs at the time, and we ate the pigs.

 

The only reason dogs and cats aren't eaten is because of the lack of meat they carry.

I don't know really. :|

It's just.. Gross/Odd.

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Wanted Assailant
I don't think it's wrong as long as you're not eating like cats and dogs. :|  icon13.gif

 

Why, whats different between a dog and a pig... confused.gif

 

I looked after pigs for 4 years and found them to be smarter than our dogs at the time, and we ate the pigs.

 

The only reason dogs and cats aren't eaten is because of the lack of meat they carry.

I don't know really. :|

It's just.. Gross/Odd.

It's because of your cultural upbrining, the way you were raised and whatever what was on the media. May seem odd to you, but standard to many different cultures.

 

Hindus aren't suppose to ear beef, and muslims cannot eat pork because it is forbidden in their religion.

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chapapote

Evolution wants us to eat meat. Otherwise we wouldn't have teeth made for chewing meat.

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gtasaplayerdd

not all meat........ there's some meat that isn't meant for eating by humans

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General Goose

I'm a meat-eater, and will never become a vegetarian unless I have to. I don't view eating meat as wrong, but I don't view not eating it as wrong either. It's a choice at the end of the day. But some animals, like dogs and cats, the thought of eating them is just wrong.

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Spinach
not all meat........ there's some meat that isn't meant for eating by humans

Like what?

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K^2

Ideological vegetarians have a very strange view of life. What do they think will happen to the animals if we reduce consumption? They'll be kept on their pastures and cared for. You eating the meat off the animal is the only reason it was allowed to be born and enjoy whatever life it had. Meat is murder? Perhaps. But by that standard, not eating meat is genocide.

 

As for religious vegetarians, I feel the same way about that as any other religious ritual, tradition, and so on. It's silly, but whatever floats your boat. As long as you let me keep eating my pork chops, we can still be friends.

 

If you simply don't like meat, I think you're nuts. But then again, I don't like fish or any seafood, and people think I'm nuts. So we're in the same company, I guess.

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Rhoda
Ideological vegetarians have a very strange view of life. What do they think will happen to the animals if we reduce consumption? They'll be kept on their pastures and cared for. You eating the meat off the animal is the only reason it was allowed to be born and enjoy whatever life it had. Meat is murder? Perhaps. But by that standard, not eating meat is genocide.

This is a point I agree with very strongly, so much so that it's gotten me in many arguments (unfortunately).

 

I'd be with a vegetarian friend for example, or someone that simply didn't eat meat because they believed it to be ethically wrong, and it's so obvious that they animal is already dead. It's right there on the shelf, in a packet, probably still in juices, and yet I think some will think it'll magically leap back into the ribs of the carcass and live on. It's crazy.

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Playstation_Loyalist

Some vegetarians were forced to be ones because they want to "protect" the animal's well-being. Well, not that I'm totally against it, but hey this is the life cycle of all life on earth. We eat either plants or animals. It's just the same. And you can't tell crocodiles to be vegetarians because all they want to eat are those who has "blood" in their bodies (like fish, pigs and humans.

 

Some, though, are concerned about their "health". Well, nutrition-wise, they're wrong. Meat is RICH in proteins and other essential nutrients that are present only in meat. Veggies often only give vitamins and minerals. Meat can't produce only vitamins and certain nutrients, but other than that, everything is present in meat products.

 

So, yeah. I will still eat meat products.

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Yarpie
Meat is RICH in proteins and other essential nutrients that are present only in meat.

Facepalm.

 

Meat has protein, amino acids and omega-3 fatty acid.

 

Protein you can get from nuts and dairy products and amino acids you can get from rice and beans. You can also get omega-3 from eggs.

 

 

 

 

I love the taste of meat, so will never stop eating it. Love a bloody good burger.

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Playstation_Loyalist

Oh, typo. I meant "some". My mistake...

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K^2

Your statement can be easily corrected. Meat is the only food that contains all the necessary amino acids. Yes, you can get each of the 8 essential amino acids from other sources, but no one contains all 8, except for meat. (Well, fish and poultry too, but all the same logic applies). So you have to be careful about balancing your diet. When you eat meat, your food is pre-balanced for you. It contains what you need, because your own body is made of all the same stuff.

 

You still need other things for proper digestion and so on, but it is nowhere near as critical. If you have a good supply of meat, you can pretty much eat cardboard for entree and survive.

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HolyGrenadeFrenzy

 

Your statement can be easily corrected. Meat is the only food that contains all the necessary amino acids. Yes, you can get each of the 8 essential amino acids from other sources, but no one contains all 8, except for meat. (Well, fish and poultry too, but all the same logic applies). So you have to be careful about balancing your diet. When you eat meat, your food is pre-balanced for you. It contains what you need, because your own body is made of all the same stuff.

 

You still need other things for proper digestion and so on, but it is nowhere near as critical. If you have a good supply of meat, you can pretty much eat cardboard for entree and survive.

 

HolyGrenadeFrenzy looks at this hemp seed labels then clicks on his favorite yum yum connection site and click pastes it into a quote box

 

 

Hemp Seed Protein

 

Proteins serve a variety of functions in the human body such as acting as enzymes, antibodies, and the structural components of tissues, hormones and blood protein. The main function of dietary protein is to supply amino acids for the growth and maintenance of body tissue. Digestion disassembles proteins into their basic building blocks - the amino acids.

 

Hemp protein contains all 20 known amino acids including the 9 essential amino acids (EAAs) our bodies cannot produce. Proteins are considered complete when they contain all 9 essential amino acids in a sufficient quantity and ratio to meet the body's needs. Hemp seeds contain an adequate supply of these high quality proteins (EAAs) for a well balanced diet.

 

Hemp protein is free of the tryspin inhibitors which block protein absorption and free of oligosaccharides found in soy, which cause stomach upset and gas.

 

Approximately 65% of the protein in hemp seeds is made up of the globulin protein Edestin and is found only in hemp seed. Edestin aids digestion, is relatively phosphorus-free and considered the backbone of the cell's DNA. The other one third of hemp seed protein is Albumin, another high quality globulin protein similar to that found in egg whites.

 

Not the only source but I still really enjoy and rely on meat as a major source in my diet.

 

I also readily take a healthy PISS OUT on vegetarians when mine is usually superior to theirs in both the meat & vegetarian sides.

 

Leave K^2's and my pork chops the f*ck alone you bastards!

 

 

HolyGrenadeFrenzy nods at K^2.
Edited by HolyGrenadeFrenzy

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K^2

 

K^2 scratches head

 

I stand corrected. I'm still going to insist on the pre-balanced thing, though. I have never seen a hemp plant run through the field. Well, I have, but I am pretty sure it had nothing to do with the proteins.

 

And there are still 8 essential amino acids. I don't know where they got the 9th from. There are only 20, and 12 of them can be synthesized by human body.

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Typhus

I like eating something that had a soul and feelings and felt pain. I like eating meat because it's not right. How do you morally defend turning murder into a highly mechanised business?

But it's what makes humanity so great, our cruelty. Our cut-throat ruthlessness in the advancement of our own interests. We put other animals in cages to be gawked at by a mob, we skin them alive so a woman can look wealthy, we dress them in absurd clothes and plaster them on television.

Humanity's cruelty and spite made us the top of the food chain. Is it wrong to be proud of this? Is that a bad thing?

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Urban Legend

Hemp... seeds? As in the one's found in lower quality bud? I've had the cold pressed stuff from a health food store. Which was about $12 - 20. Funky stuff, I left it in my grandma's fridge, where it will stay for eternity.

 

Overall if your not eating meat your WEAK. I absolutely love a big, juicy, steak just done enough, medium-rare... oh man it's like when Homer gets his McRib... *drool*

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Saggy

I think meat, and most processed food, has a bad reputation now days as far as the processing goes. I mean, people say "processed" with a negative connotation but the fact of the matter is that most processed food is safer and healthier than the stuff people were eating before such things came into play. I mean, using the scrapings off of bones and meat augers in sausage isn't a new practice, however rigorously screening it for various bacteria and nasties is. That's probably why it's only now coming to the public knowledge that we might not want to eat such things.

 

Still, the majority of USDA approved meat, whether it's MRM or prime-rib, goes through so much testing for things like mad cow or E. coli that to talk about these risks and dangers is to speak of things that are kind of a kin to lightning strikes and shark attacks--at least when it comes to beef, chicken still has a big problem with E coli.

 

However, there's nothing to say that the food you buy at some organic or "all natural " store doesn't have the same problems, and it may even come from the same source and location. For an area like mine which is mostly agricultural, if you go to the supermarket and buy a steak it most likely came here, and if you go to your butcher or organic store to buy a steak, you'll find the same thing. After all, all of it has to meet USDA standards whether it's "organic" or hideously growth-hormone injected, nasty, processed non-goodness. Matter of fact though, some of that processed non-goodness hold itself to higher standards than the USDA's in terms of testing and sanitation and all that.

 

I don't know where this myth that cage-free canimal products taste better. The reason the cage-free chicken eggs in an organic food store taste better than the eggs that are at safeway is beacuse they're fresh and haven't been sitting on the shelf or in the back of a truck. They came from a local farm, and then got put on the shelf within a coupleo f days of you looking at them. In the end though, I don't know what kind of marvelous chickens you guys raise, but I can't taste the difference between so called "cage free" chickens and your standard USDA grade A.

 

I think most problems regarding meat can be taken back to one simple fact about it we're all dancing around: We eat way too much of it. I mean sure beef, fish and poultry are very healthy, and very plentiful, but we eat entirely too much of it. No person needs a prime steak that is 16 ounces; that kind of meal really has enough nutrition in it to constitute four meals, and it's not nearly as filling in terms of volume so people tend to overeat.

 

This happens with all processed foods now days though because so much of it is used with corn-based materials in the processing, and so it is mixed at ratios that make it extremely nutritious compared to an actual small serving size. I mean, while I know most people don't consider one Hot Pocket a meal, there's 370 calories in one of them alone. It's just things like that which add to all the health problems that people associate with eating processed foods.

 

When you look at that framework with meat it's even worse, considering that instead of corn products, you have essentially protein and fat, and more of it than your body needs or can really do anything with, considering the life styles we leave. I mean, the average person today eats as much during a fast food break as a lumberjack did for breakfast, and then we just simply go and spend our day in front of a com puter screen.

 

What really annoys me is when people insist that you eating meat is wrong, and they've got to make some kind of big deal about it, like I could actually care less that they don't eat meat. It's irritating to hear people treat it as their identity and try to impose their values onto. Even when they're not totally douche bags about it, a lot of people will sit there and talk about how gross what you're eating looks as if their vegan concoction doesn't look like baby puke. Some of them even have the nerve to make jokes like, "Heh, you like sausage in your mouth don't you?" where I could just as easily say, "Heh, you like fags in your mouth?" when they're eating a bunch of sticks and twigs.

 

I just don't see where people get caught up with it. It's what you eat, it's not a belief or an identity, it's just a simple choice. We're lucky enough to be able to inform ourselves and make choices like that. I mean, you know a lot of people might want to say something like, "Oh, well, some people have to eat McDonalds," but that's sad when you consider that McDonalds is like gold compared to some of the food the world is eating.

 

That' what really gets to me is people claiming we shouldn't genetically enhance corn to crow in extreme yields, we shouldn't give cattle growth hormones, etc. However, that's in complete ignorance to the people on this planet that have access to crops and beef for the first time simply because we now have corn that can grow in infertile soil or simply because they now have cows that are resistant to disease. I mean, vegetarians and vegans seem to think of cows as cute ltitle animals that should be able to just roam around because people should eat other stuff, when you don't realize that some people might not be able to grow crops, and it's really quite rare to find cows as healthy as you find them on farms where they're well fed and looked after.

 

I mean, do people realize that iodizing salt has huge impacts on childhood development? There are studies that link preventable brain damage with salt that is not iodonized, think about what kind of implications there are for populations that do not have access to a lot of food, how will their development suffer? I mean we like to talk about how Americans life expectancy is 60-80 years, but there are still more than enough places on the planet where it's still only 30-40 to average the global life exptency down a notch. Do you really think that food and diet don't have anything to do with this?

 

Also, one other food that has all the amino acids people don't often think of as healthy: Honey. Then again I guess that's still out of the question for vegans.

 

Urban Legend,

 

Yeah, like the ones found in weed. Though I'm not sure if the ones found in weed are just as nutritious--I would doubt it snce most of the time they'll be underdeveloped as compared with hemp.. HGF, you seem to be the one keen on hemp, hows it compare to marijuana seed nutrient wise?

 

Anyway, honey, hemp seed and granola with some peanut butter is extremely good and probably has more protein and goodness in it than a whole steak.

 

You won't find me trading a Rib Eye for a granola bar though.

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HolyGrenadeFrenzy

 

Hemp... seeds? As in the one's found in lower quality bud? I've had the cold pressed stuff from a health food store. Which was about $12 - 20. Funky stuff, I left it in my grandma's fridge, where it will stay for eternity.

 

Overall if your not eating meat your WEAK. I absolutely love a big, juicy, steak just done enough, medium-rare... oh man it's like when Homer gets his McRib... *drool*

There are many kinds of cannabis sativa and not all or ever most produce the same sort of plant.

 

Usually I fall into a sort of comparison of species of equine to demonstrate the differences of value in various hemp plants. By comparison, if you go looking for a Stockholm or Clydesdale and you come back with an Arabian then you have the wrong animal. Like-wise if you come back with marijuana when you are after food quality hemp the same sort of distinction applies. Later, I will provide another distinction toward equines that is nonrepresentational of the subject so far and as a reference into the uses along side humans and in the wild.

 

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Historically the only thing that makes a cannabis plant be called marijuana is the level of production of THC. CBT on the other hand is another chemical produced by cannabis sativa that has pretty much the opposite effects that THC does. The various amounts of the two chemicals is what decides whether it is a considered a psychotic or anti-psychotic plant.

 

Hemp like honey has been eaten by humanity for so long that it predates what we know as the basis of all known civilization. They are both present as food sources far beyond recorded history from an archeological, forensic and ethnographic perspective.

 

There are other varieties as well. Some of these varieties have very thick seeds with large nut like chews inside them and these are even better if the plant produces no THC at all.

 

The most famous, perhaps, of hemp seed food is of the lower quality hemp seed for food which is ground and then added to boiling water. This meal is known as porridge. Porridge is not the only form of food quality hemp seed by far. Animal food quality hemp seed is also used extensively even to this day. Horses in particular, often increase their hemp seed to become healthier and to break cycles of illness and weakness. This process of improving the quality of an animal through hemp seed is thousands of years old. The highest food quality hemp seed has been used for health in diet among humans for even longer.

 

As a protein producer, hemp seed is the superior floral protein and nothing quite compares to it as a source for healthy diet. I say this as a former vegan yet with the inability to harvest in the USA proper without violation of federal law we must import it as food.

 

That's right, it is legal to eat and possess if THC free but it is still illigal to harvest in the USA proper.

 

 

 

So?

 

If all this is true then why do I still eat meat after becoming an omivore and stepping back from being a vegan?

 

The usual........money.......and the fact that a steak tastes soooo good sometimes.

 

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Also, I agree with Sag about honey and its importance to diet as well. Much more can be said yet it seems fine to finish this post with the following.

 

Hemp seed, as a source for muscle strength, is superior to other forms of protein yet your collection is seasonal, although annual, and the bulk depends on harvest. With the other issues regarding use of the plant and the advantages overall of animal use it seems that both meat and hemp are complimentary toward each other for diet and survival production materials for far more reasons that just food. These uses are more than a few thousand years old and it has only greatly changed in less than ten decades.

 

The seed is not the only food to add to your diet and hemp oil has other great dietary benefits.

 

I leave this with an old political statement and rally to the cause for hemp for food.

 

I hope you feel the sting of it.

 

 

Peace porridge hot

Peace porridge cold

Peace porridge in the pot three days old

 

I like porridge hot

I like porridge cold

I like porridge in the pot three days old

 

This song and chant was used, backed and supported by the US Government to rally farmers to produce hemp for food and for fiber for the war effort of WWII. Yet, it found its way to both sides of the political conflict later, once again, that allowed hemp to be removed as a crop for food in the name of protecting the public from the "dangers" of the more limited breed known as marijuana to further the coffers of 3M, General Mills and DuPont mostly; once it was out of the way.

 

(The record even shows who is in cahoots yet everyone just looks the other way about this as if nothing has happened)

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You see, no one would have allowed corn to become as it is today in the USA if hemp was readily available. Neither would we have allowed the pharmaceutical industry to become what it has nor the oil industry when hemp plastics are superior in all ways.

 

Guess who imports the most hemp seed for food for humans (themselves)and animals for the longest since these changes occurred, once you get around the distractions?

 

Does it seem strange that the people that eat the healthiest food are the same people that have worked so hard at making sure it is more difficult for you to eat the same food?

 

Nice little scam that they have gotten away with if you ask me.......

 

AH......BUT, That's Business!

 

My stock had better increase!

Edited by HolyGrenadeFrenzy

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SIKKS66

I eat meat but there are times when I feel it is a bit wrong. Could be sat eating a steak or something and slicing though the flesh, eating around the bone and fat, I just get the feeling that the whole meat-eating thing just isn't right. But damn is it tastey...

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Ats.
I eat meat but there are times when I feel it is a bit wrong. Could be sat eating a steak or something and slicing though the flesh, eating around the bone and fat, I just get the feeling that the whole meat-eating thing just isn't right. But damn is it tastey...

This.

 

I actually even tried to go vegetarian, but that didn't go so well. I tried to not eat meat for a couple of weeks, it wasnt very hard, but one day I just accidentally ate meat. Then I thought, f*ck it and continued to eat meat.

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Yarpie

Actually you guys are all wrong about amino acids, unless someone corrected you guys in a massive wall of text, I never read those.

 

Protease is an enzyme that breaks down proteins. Amino acids are the building blocks of Protein. Therefore, Protease breaks down proteins into amino acids.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylalanine

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-essential_amino_acid

 

There are also, 8 essential amino acids, with an additional 2 being conditional.

 

Also, Eggs contain ALL ESSENTIAL amino acids, okay.

 

You don't need meat, you can get it its nutrients from other sources.

 

I eat meat, I love it, but please stop the ignorance, meat isn't important to our nutrition anymore.

 

I've just done a Biology exam so have been studying this sh*t for ages. I'm glad it is proving useful.

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