the > FRAF-FX PS3 Controller < problem!

[CavinRovi]

Hey ALL!

 

Some of you may or may not of heard of this "Frag FX PS3 Controller"...

 

Basicly - it's a MOUSE and a Left-Hand Wii Controller - combined to work for a PS3.

 

"Giving you the speed and accuracy of a PC Mouse on PS3 Games" is one of the manufactors selling points.

 

CHEATS!! ?? Do we have the right to call people using these Cheats!?

MOANING - Are WE just Moaning because we havent bought 1 yet...

 

BE WARNED THO - I have had read reports that the Quality is not too good and you actually need to PROGRAM the Controller via a PC,

aswell as Updates for it (?)

 

CONCERNING the GB-Ladders.. Most of us on this Forum have good reason to believe that TOP TEAMS on the LAdders are using the FragFX, and as some of us know - they get kill's > 1-per Second < which is a massive Rate for GTA.

US GREAT PLAYERS that use the PS3 PAD, will know it near immpossable to get a Kill-per-Second with an Analog Stick.

SOLUTION:

I know this has been mentioned, and this is 1 main reason for this Thread.

If the LADDER Teams are going to NURF Controll methods,

THEN WE SHOUDL NERF THE LADDER.

 

It was talked about making a DUFF-TEAM to go up against!

A DUFF Team that the Clans from THIS Forum could Play to proceed UP the Ladder.

 

While all those FragFX Gamers at sat at there PS3 LOL'n and thinking there the Bollocks and how no-one can provide PROOF of their controlls,,, AND being TOP of the LADDER,,

 

WE shoudl have a little surprise in store for them!!

LETs take the Smile of their faces!!

 

Lets NERF the Ladder with a FAKE-Team. THEN - Then when they send us Mail & MSN complaining and moaning, we can sit back and say "AWwww,, whats wrong??? Can't your FragFX STOP me making a DUFF TEAm??? Nooo, your sad little FragFX can't do that can it"

 

They been making some of us CRY with disbelief... WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!!

 

Lets make these alternative Controller BOYS a taste of ther own medicene!!

 

 

WHO'S WITH ME??

[Trooper911]

cavi man....1. there is a similar post in this section, 2nd how about we dont join them and cheat, but we just use tactics to get around them in the game, no point in cheating yourself, that makes you as bad as them

[Juice By Kayla Marie]

Hey, I have a fragfx

just kidding,

but i don't think we should stoop to their level.

 

[ceedot]

Have a cry. There are also mouse converters as well so you can use a mouse.

 

 

Why don't you buy a fragfx controller or something instead of complain? I'm pretty sure people with the controllers won't cry if they lost.

[CavinRovi]

 

Why don't you buy a fragfx controller or something instead of complain?

WHY cant people JUSt use a PS3 Pad. People have gone out and bought this FragFX because they KNOW it's going to give them an Advantage!

TRY to buy a FragFX PS3 NOW - YOU CAN'T!!

They are ALL SOLD OUT, apart from the 1 Dick on eBay thats trying to sell one for £60 (rofl!)

 

So yea, they gone out and bought the GragFX, they joined MLG/GB-Ladders and are Near or TOP.

11 WIN STREAKS in a ROW - ALL WITH FragFX!

 

You know as well as I do, they are sat at home Laughing to themselves thinking their the Bollocks!

 

Well I am the type of person that would do anything possable to wipe the smile of their faces!!

 

*cough* FAKE GB Team to BEAt and progress Ladder *cough*

THEN when these FragFX users Challenge US for a Match - we DECLINE!!

Its not being EVIL or BITTER - its called GETTING EVEN!

 

You also said:

"I'm pretty sure people with the controllers won't cry if they lost."

 

IM sure they WOULD, after going out to by thier precious MOUSE because their to Backwards to use a PS3-Pad!

They would see it as a waste of Money and be hacked off that they cant get as far in the ladder as they Planned.

 

 

 

Im glad to see the majority of people from this Forum, wouldn'T cheat or use alternative methods,

BUT there is 2 Sides to a Coin. And there is a Bunch of Pricks who Cheat/Hack and get the Upper Hand any way they can.

 

I've also seen people become DEFENSIVE at the mention of FragFX.

Comments like "WELL IF YOU GET IT I AM NEVER PLAYING YOU ONLINE" :: which I dont Blame them!

Edited August 11, 2008 by CavinRovi

[Celtic_Assasinz]

LOL you guys make me laugh. C'mon GTA is only a game after all.

 

Using the fragfx isn;t cheating, it may be against the rules on GB, but creating a fake team to whoop is definately cheating. Not to mention that it would take the fun and excitement out of competing in GB.

 

I can just imagine it. Guys, we've got a match against our made up team. 3 players standing still whilst the other 3 massacre them, oh the fun.

 

 

It's only a controller, if you're really obsessed about people using them, buy a fragfx and beat them.

[CavinRovi]

LOL you guys make me laugh. C'mon GTA is only a game after all.

 

Using the fragfx isn;t cheating, it may be against the rules on GB, but creating a fake team to whoop is definately cheating. Not to mention that it would take the fun and excitement out of competing in GB.

 

I can just imagine it. Guys, we've got a match against our made up team. 3 players standing still whilst the other 3 massacre them, oh the fun.

 

 

It's only a controller, if you're really obsessed about people using them, buy a fragfx and beat them.

I shouldn't have to,, should I.

 

It should be FAIR - but these FragFX users are making it UN-Fair.

 

So, if they can make it UN-FAIR - then WE should be allowed to Aswell.

 

Their UN-FAIR controll methods to proceed up the Ladder.

OUR Un-Fair Team to proceed up the Ladder.

 

THAT should make us EVEN!

[Celtic_Assasinz]

LOL you guys make me laugh. C'mon GTA is only a game after all.

 

Using the fragfx isn;t cheating, it may be against the rules on GB, but creating a fake team to whoop is definately cheating. Not to mention that it would take the fun and excitement out of competing in GB.

 

I can just imagine it. Guys, we've got a match against our made up team. 3 players standing still whilst the other 3 massacre them, oh the fun.

 

 

It's only a controller, if you're really obsessed about people using them, buy a fragfx and beat them.

I shouldn't have to,, should I.

 

It should be FAIR - but these FragFX users are making it UN-Fair.

 

So, if they can make it UN-FAIR - then WE should be allowed to Aswell.

 

Their UN-FAIR controll methods to proceed up the Ladder.

OUR Un-Fair Team to proceed up the Ladder.

 

THAT should make us EVEN!

It may make it slightly even, but it would be stooping to their level. Not to mention how sad it would be to kill some unmoving targets, it would take away the excitement.

 

It might be unfair, but creating a fake team to whoop is pretty cheap (in my opinion).

 

The only way to beat them is to get even, invest in a fragfx, although I've also heard they are pretty flimsy, easy to break and you need to program it or set it up somehow via a PC.

[CavinRovi]

I do NOT want to have to make a Fake Team.

 

I do NOT want Pubic'less Kids to buy and Use the FRAG-FX - but they doo, and I cant stop it.

 

Is making a FAKE TEAm being 1 step ahead of the Chetas.

 

LOOK AT US, here we are complaining about the teams that use FragFX.

 

The FragFX users have NOTHING to complaing about....... THAT needs to change.

 

 

Am I the only 1 thats annoyed by the fact that ,,, well - lets PUT it like this shall we.....

 

Im Having a Drag Race: Im in a Fork-Lift-Truck ,,, my oppenant is in a DODGE VIPER,, but I shouldn't complain shoudl I,

I should just go out and buy a DODGE VIPER. .. . . . .

 

I AM GETTING VERY TEMPTED to purchase 1 of these Controllers,,, just to see what the Hype Is, How good it is, and the rest......

BUT how many of you would NOT play me on GTA if I did?

 

And how would you feel If I was able to OWN everyone, and in your mind you Knopw im using a MOUSE,

I think it would be a little hard to swallow.

[Celtic_Assasinz]

hahaha I've thought of similar examples.

 

Do you complain that Christiano Ronaldo has Nike football boots whereas some crap footballer has diadorra or something. LOL

 

I'd actually like to try using one, coz in some FPS I do prefer a mouse and keyboard.

 

Cavin, you able to use that keyboard of yours at all in GTA IV?

[ceedot]

If they want to use to FragFX controller, they are very well allowed to. It's a controller. If you think you're so good with the SIXAXIS then use it.

In other words, you're saying people on UT3 who use keyboard and mouse are cheaters then?

 

I want to get a FragFX because I'm used to PC games.

[alx-ndr]

they aint sold out and you don't have to program them via pc... all it is, is a sixaxis controller split in two but instead of a right analog stick, you have a mouse.

 

everything is where it should be and your ps3 recognizes it as a ps3 controller. I've played people who have one on Unreal Tournament 3 and the only advantage it gives is for sniping.

 

I'm ranked 33rd in the world on Unreal Tournament 3... I did that with the sixaxis. The top 5 players on UT3 are also sixaxis players...

[Blaz00r]

 

If they want to use to FragFX controller, they are very well allowed to. It's a controller. If you think you're so good with the SIXAXIS then use it.

In other words, you're saying people on UT3 who use keyboard and mouse are cheaters then?

 

I want to get a FragFX because I'm used to PC games.

AFAIK UT3 "officially" supports the FragFX(and is the only game afaik) ,and thats the only game i won't complain about people who us it because its a game that meant to be played on the PC (imo anyway)

And you only talk like that because you have never encountered a FragFX user in GTA,lets see how you talk after you play with one.

[alx-ndr]

If they want to use to FragFX controller, they are very well allowed to. It's a controller. If you think you're so good with the SIXAXIS then use it.

In other words, you're saying people on UT3 who use keyboard and mouse are cheaters then?

 

I want to get a FragFX because I'm used to PC games.

AFAIK UT3 "officially" supports the FragFX(and is the only game afaik) ,and thats the only game i won't complain about people who us it because its a game that meant to be played on the PC (imo anyway)

And you only talk like that because you have never encountered a FragFX user in GTA,lets see how you talk after you play with one.

UT3 supports a USB keyboard and mouse, it doesn't even have to be made for the ps3.

 

ANY game supports fragfx.

[Blaz00r]

If they want to use to FragFX controller, they are very well allowed to. It's a controller. If you think you're so good with the SIXAXIS then use it.

In other words, you're saying people on UT3 who use keyboard and mouse are cheaters then?

 

I want to get a FragFX because I'm used to PC games.

AFAIK UT3 "officially" supports the FragFX(and is the only game afaik) ,and thats the only game i won't complain about people who us it because its a game that meant to be played on the PC (imo anyway)

And you only talk like that because you have never encountered a FragFX user in GTA,lets see how you talk after you play with one.

UT3 supports a USB keyboard and mouse, it doesn't even have to be made for the ps3.

 

ANY game supports fragfx.

Yeah i meant the keyboard and mouse thingy

[CavinRovi]

Intresting thoughts all,,,

 

HERE: I just found this, maybe it's not ALL FragFX

 

 

 

[alx-ndr]

Intresting thoughts all,,,

 

HERE: I just found this, maybe it's not ALL FragFX

 

 

 

only game u can use kb/m are quake 3 and unreal tournament.

[HenningM92]

Are you completely sure that FragFx is being used, or are you kind of a noob?

[alx-ndr]

close thread

[ChristopherD]

Here is a response to a review on the SplitFish FragFX PS3 Controller from IGN.com. Here is the link to that review.

 

 

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This controller works very well, but is still not as good as a mouse. It does feel different, but still makes a massive difference for FPS games. It simply emulates the movements of a controller, which doesn't have true 360 degree tracking like a PC game and mouse would. I instantly doubled my headshots and score after only one round of using it, and not tweaking any settings. After doing some tweaking, I would never use anything but this controller again. But it is still limited by what a controller can do.

 

Always keep in mind that if you have not used a mouse for FPS games, do not buy this. No person I have ever seen, who has always played FPS games with a controller, will ever like a mouse. They just don't. Don't think for a second that you will just start using a mouse (or the FragFX) and become some sort of super gamer. You won't. This product is made for people who have played FPS games for the last 10 years on the platform FPS games originally came from, a PC.

 

A mouse is extremely more accurate and fast than a controller for FPS games. This is no secret. But don't expect anyone to like a mouse or FragFX if all they have ever used, is a controller for the last 10 years, as a console only FPS gamer. They will hate it unless they are really determined to practice a entirely new control style. Maybe it's what you have to do, to win more often or be more competitive.

 

Dumb Questions and Smart Answers:

Q."Why would you want to turn your PS3 into a computer?"

A.The PS3 is a computer already (depending on what a computer is in your opinion), it's a super computer / console / Blu Ray player that has 6 processors. All you are doing is using a different controller (semi-mouse) for your FPS games. You aren't installing Norton Antivirus or attaching a printer.

 

Q. It's totally cheating, and for FPS noobs that are old school computer gamers. Isn't it cheating?

A. The players using the FragFX have most likely been playing FPS games for a very long time. (Why else are they using it?) These are not people who are switching from 10 years of using a controller. This makes them the opposite of FPS noobs. This makes them your worst nightmare actually. Once they have a mouse (the controller they have been using for 10 years) you will see no evidence of a FPS noob. You will actually just start to hate them because of how often they kill you with head shots. It isn't cheating to have 10 years of FPS gaming experience. And since the game (a console FPS game) was designed for a controller, and the person is using a semi-mouse, the argument could also be, that they are at a dis-advantage. It's not their fault they want to use a the same controller they have used for 10 years, and also want to win at all costs. That's the point. That's not cheating, it's plain gaming sense. [-] Minimize Comment

 

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I had never heard of this b4 I read this thread. This could solve the 'One-Shot / Head-Shot / Every-Time' contriversary! I always assumed (and argued for on this forum) that there was a cheat/hack out there somewhere that gave someone a head shot every time they pulled the trigger. This FraFX thing could be the very way they are doing it.

 

And I have GOT to try it! I have been playing FPSs since Doom's release on PC and got real good using the mouse/keyboard combination playing Oblivion for the PC.

 

And BTW, if this IS how those ppl are getting the one-shot head-shots so easiliy, I don't beleive it is cheating. Each competitor should use the equipment that best suits them. Does Roger Fedherer use the same racket as Andy Roddick? No. And believe it that what racket they use affects their performance. No difference here.

Edited August 11, 2008 by ChristopherD

[alx-ndr]

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

[Blaz00r]

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

[deadmanwalking]

My take on the situation:

 

The "The guys who are getting one-shot-headshots every time are simply better than you" argument is nearly dead in the water, as the more likely explanation is that they are using a controller that enables them to effectively cheat.

 

And yes, cheating is exactly what they're doing. They're not "using equipment that best suits them". They're using equipment that allows them to perform above their own skill level. They're using equipment that allows them to do things that they would normally be unable to do. That is cheating.

 

They're spending $100+ on a controller that is currently sold out just about everywhere unless you want to be bent over and assraped for one. Which means that even if you wanted to "stoop to their level", you couldn't. Basically, they get to run roughshod over games and there's nothing you can do about it. You can't even keep up with them because their controller enables them to perform much, much better than someone with a normal controller.

 

I also have an issue with the statement that people who aren't used to using a kb/mouse combo won't notice a significant improvement with this controller. I personally prefer a console controller to a kb/mouse combo, but I *have* played games with a mouse. Your accuracy DOES go through the roof. A competent player won't have much of an adjustment period going from a standard controller to this thing. And even skilled players will notice a significant improvement in their performance, as stated in the article.

 

From day one, I've always suspected that there are some players who were using *something* to gain an extra advantage. I thought it was some kind of glitch/hack/cheat code they were taking advantage of. At least now we have an answer.

 

My advice is simple: Most people who are using this controller are out to simply run everyone over, knowing they have little chance of losing. They get their fun from cheating. So don't "stoop to their level". Don't try to hunt them down. Don't do anything. Just leave the game. They won't be having any fun if they've got nobody to play against.

 

That's what I do. If I see someone getting ridiculous headshots with way too much speed and accuracy, I leave. It's very easy to tell the truly good players from the ones using this controller. And I have no problems playing the game against those who are playing fairly and simply way better than me. But I *DO* have a problem with those who are using the controller to gain an unfair advantage. I refuse to play in a rigged game. So I leave.

 

I think it's the easiest solution. Another game starts in 5 minutes anyway.

Edited August 11, 2008 by deadmanwalking

[alx-ndr]

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

look... you dont get what the fragfx is do you?

its not a cheating tool.

 

Its to simulate kb/m which loads of people use anyway...

 

I wont tell anyone if I bought it cos there wont be that big a difference in my play.

 

 

[Blaz00r]

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

look... you dont get what the fragfx is do you?

its not a cheating tool.

 

Its to simulate kb/m which loads of people use anyway...

 

I wont tell anyone if I bought it cos there wont be that big a difference in my play.

It is a cheating tool,read deadmanwalking post,i agree with every word

And the fact that you told us you're going to buy it will make us being suspicious every time we play with you...Its not very hard to tell who use it,i guess you never played with someone (or a whole team) that use it.

[deadmanwalking]

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

look... you dont get what the fragfx is do you?

its not a cheating tool.

 

Its to simulate kb/m which loads of people use anyway...

 

I wont tell anyone if I bought it cos there wont be that big a difference in my play.

If there is *ANY* difference in how well you play, you are cheating.

 

The basic question is this: "Does this controller enable me to play better than I was playing before?"

 

If the answer to that question is YES, then it's cheating. Plain and simple.

 

 

 

[Blaz00r]

 

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

look... you dont get what the fragfx is do you?

its not a cheating tool.

 

Its to simulate kb/m which loads of people use anyway...

 

I wont tell anyone if I bought it cos there wont be that big a difference in my play.

If there is *ANY* difference in how well you play, you are cheating.

 

The basic question is this: "Does this controller enable me to play better than I was playing before?"

 

If the answer to that question is YES, then it's cheating. Plain and simple.

Absolutely right. I'll give you another example alx:

aimbots/other cheating/hacking tools are available all over the internet to every online multiplayer game exists...Aimbots only "help" you to aim at the other players heads,and loads of people use it anyway

Does that make it legal? No.

[alx-ndr]

 

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

look... you dont get what the fragfx is do you?

its not a cheating tool.

 

Its to simulate kb/m which loads of people use anyway...

 

I wont tell anyone if I bought it cos there wont be that big a difference in my play.

If there is *ANY* difference in how well you play, you are cheating.

 

The basic question is this: "Does this controller enable me to play better than I was playing before?"

 

If the answer to that question is YES, then it's cheating. Plain and simple.

Absolutely right. I'll give you another example alx:

aimbots/other cheating/hacking tools are available all over the internet to every online multiplayer game exists...Aimbots only "help" you to aim at the other players heads,and loads of people use it anyway

Does that make it legal? No.

its a sixaxis controller split in two with a mouse as the right analogue stick.

 

I use keyboard and mouse for unreal tournament 3 sometimes in deathmatches and TDMs.

 

Its ONLY useful if you can use it well... tbh half the players in this forum cant, so its not cheating.

 

If we all had fragfx controllers then there wud be good and bad players like there are now with controllers.

 

Its not going outside the dimensions of the game... its not using any mechanisms that aren't already in the sixaxis controller. ALL it is... is the buttons and the sticks are in a different place, go figure. not cheating.

 

PS.

 

Theres no such thing as an aimbot... the servers have sufficient protection against users submitting their own hex codes.

 

lag switches exist tho.

[ChristopherD]

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

look... you dont get what the fragfx is do you?

its not a cheating tool.

 

Its to simulate kb/m which loads of people use anyway...

 

I wont tell anyone if I bought it cos there wont be that big a difference in my play.

If there is *ANY* difference in how well you play, you are cheating.

 

The basic question is this: "Does this controller enable me to play better than I was playing before?"

 

If the answer to that question is YES, then it's cheating. Plain and simple.

Ok...DMW,

 

You have some very solid points...and you know that we have agreed on this issue in other threads, but there is one point I cant figure...

 

I have a friend who got his PS3 from his friend but all he got was the console itself. So he bought the PS2 adapter and uses his PS2 controllers. He didn't like them and had to get Sixaxis because the PS2 controllers were "slow"'.

 

I know most ppl are using PS3 controllers...my point is how do the tools in which we play our games (or do our work for that matter) become cheating tools...because I have better equipment then you I am cheating? where do we draw the line? ...if my internet connection is faster than yours and you lag, am I cheating?

 

On the other hand...

 

Unless everyone has access ( and the $$) to purchase the controller, then I cant see getting it...I am possitive that I would be able to use it well, which means that, until more ppl know about or get the controller, I WOULD walk over everyone, hence no sport, hence dead game.

 

And if the controller was made available to everyone and everyone got it, that too would destroy the game because who wants every game to be nothing but one-shot kills...

 

I must ponder further...

[deadmanwalking]

yea like it says... if you don't play pc FPS you wont find using it easy.

 

its for PC players =]

 

thats why im buying it...

If you buy it i assure you none from this forum is gonna play with you again you're good enough without it

look... you dont get what the fragfx is do you?

its not a cheating tool.

 

Its to simulate kb/m which loads of people use anyway...

 

I wont tell anyone if I bought it cos there wont be that big a difference in my play.

If there is *ANY* difference in how well you play, you are cheating.

 

The basic question is this: "Does this controller enable me to play better than I was playing before?"

 

If the answer to that question is YES, then it's cheating. Plain and simple.

Absolutely right. I'll give you another example alx:

aimbots/other cheating/hacking tools are available all over the internet to every online multiplayer game exists...Aimbots only "help" you to aim at the other players heads,and loads of people use it anyway

Does that make it legal? No.

its a sixaxis controller split in two with a mouse as the right analogue stick.

 

I use keyboard and mouse for unreal tournament 3 sometimes in deathmatches and TDMs.

 

Its ONLY useful if you can use it well... tbh half the players in this forum cant, so its not cheating.

 

If we all had fragfx controllers then there wud be good and bad players like there are now with controllers.

 

Its not going outside the dimensions of the game... its not using any mechanisms that aren't already in the sixaxis controller. ALL it is... is the buttons and the sticks are in a different place, go figure. not cheating.

 

PS.

 

Theres no such thing as an aimbot... the servers have sufficient protection against users submitting their own hex codes.

 

lag switches exist tho.

Again, I'll ask the question:

 

Does it make your play better?

 

If the answer to that question is YES, then you are cheating by using it, since it is allowing you to play above your level of skill.

 

And the "Bad players can't use it" doesn't fly. The adjustment time is nearly nonexistent. Even bad players will get used to this thing very, very quickly.

 

It allows players (both good and bad) to get headshots with a level of speed and accuracy that most players (both good and bad) simply cannot get with a sixaxis controller. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that it can attain a level of speed and accuracy that is impossible to attain with a sixaxis, no matter how good you are.

 

The person quoted in the review stated that he "doubled" his accuracy as a result of using it. You yourself have admitted that your play would improve as a result of using it.

 

I don't care if it makes a bad player good, or a good player better, or both. If you're using a device to play better than your own skill would allow you to play, you're cheating. Justify it any way you want, but saying it's not cheating is like saying that the baseball players who take steroids aren't cheating because "they still have to hit the ball", or those who download music off the internet aren't stealing because "they wouldn't buy it anyway." It's a lame argument dishonest players use to justify being dishonest. And it never works.