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agent17

Georgia attacks South Ossetia

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Barciur

 

Combined US delegations are on the way to Georgia according to sky news.

been there yesterday wink.gif

 

Interesting news - Carl Bildt, Sweden Minister of Foreign Affairs said he doesn't believe Russia was only defending citizens. "Hitler said the same thing", said Carl Blidt.

Edited by Barciur

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Breaking Bohan

BBC: Russian jets have bombed a Georgian town amid a deepening crisis over the breakaway South Ossetia region.

 

Georgia says 60 people died in Gori when the bombs hit residential buildings as well as military targets.

 

 

 

So the Russians are basically going to just bomb the country flat and kill their women and cattle and molest their children while their stoned on pills and vodka?! it just doesn't make much sense to me. The russians seem to have less of a military objective than the US does in Iraq ... and that's not good for business.

Isn't anyone here from Russia? What's the mood like inside the country? Do you all have a hard-on for war or what?

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Combined US delegations are on the way to Georgia according to sky news.

been there yesterday wink.gif

 

Interesting news - Carl Bildt, Sweden Minister of Foreign Affairs said he doesn't believe Russia was only defending citizens. "Hitler said the same thing", said Carl Blidt.

ahhh lol. Only just seen it, my attention span is zero at the moment.

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Isn't anyone here from Russia? What's the mood like inside the country? Do you all have a hard-on for war or what?

Some Russian claimed Georgia to be a Nazi state in this very same thread dozingoff.gif

Don't expect any good arguments from them.

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Full scale war draws close, Russia's decision could mean a great deal over the next few days. Now that Russia is pushing through Georgia's borders with even more force we could be potential be facing a major war.

 

I am disappointed by the severe lack of national news coverage on this story, considering this is the fiercest fighting we have seen in years. The US presence in Georgia is unsettling.

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Oh no ... the politicians are starting to run their mouths ... may G-d help us all!

 

BBC:

US President George W Bush said the Russian attacks outside South Ossetia marked a "dangerous escalation in the crisis" and said Georgia's territorial integrity had to be respected.

 

"The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia," he said while attending the Olympics.

 

"The violence is endangering regional peace."

 

Tskhinvali 'destroyed'

The International Red Cross (ICRC) said it had received reports that hospitals in the city were "overflowing" with casualties. Injured civilians were being pulled from the buildings, which were on fire.

 

The Georgian foreign ministry said the Black Sea port of Poti, the site of a major oil shipment facility, had been "devastated" by a Russian air raid.

 

 

 

 

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What good could possibly come from this?

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I am disappointed by the severe lack of national news coverage on this story, considering this is the fiercest fighting we have seen in years. The US presence in Georgia is unsettling.

Well BBC does provide coverage so you can listen to their radio on the website or just read their website. wink.gif

 

If US goes in, whole NATO does and we have a major sh*t.

 

I read 'Tskhinvali liberated by Moscow' ? Oh wait I forgot - it's the same thing...

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Oh no ... the politicians are starting to run their mouths ... may G-d help us all!

 

BBC:

US President George W Bush said the Russian attacks outside South Ossetia marked a "dangerous escalation in the crisis" and said Georgia's territorial integrity had to be respected.

 

"The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia," he said while attending the Olympics.

 

"The violence is endangering regional peace."

 

Tskhinvali 'destroyed'

 

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What good could possibly come from this?

"War, What Is It Good For? Absolutely Nothing!"

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Wondering everyone: Why does Russia hate NATO? I know the cold war but thats been over more 2 decades and Russia is a democratic country. Instead of possiblities of a big war between NATO and Russia why cant they just join NATO? Why must they still hold a grudge?

Nationalistic. NATO is considered the enemy of Russia by its people. And in order to get people worked up about something, give them a scapegoat. NATO is a perfect example of a scapegoat for Russia.

 

NATO was created as an union against the USSR. Russia had hoped that after the fall of the USSR, NATO would also vanish, but they didn't. Instead, just seem to move closer and closer to Russian interest areas, and whatnot. It's no confusion that Russia doesn't like NATO.

 

This conflict shows why Russia does not like NATO. Had Georgia become part of NATO, as it so much wants, Russia could only have sat idle by. Russia would not risk getting in war with NATO. Basically, NATO stops Russia from minding its own business, because suddenly everything becomes everyone's business.

 

However, neither would NATO risk a war with Russia, so NATO is afraid to react in this situation. Imagine if a NATO member tried helping Georgia out, that could immediately lead to war with Russia. And thus as a part of the contract of NATO, its members had to join.

Thanks for that post. Did help a lot. biggrin.gif

 

Hopefully this war will not get any larger or we could see deaths around the millions total. If NATO and Russia go to war that would be very bad.

 

Considering how Georgia is getting pounded by Russian airstrikes Im very happy Im here in America where only the nukes will hit me but a nuclar war probably wont happen.

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Considering how Georgia is getting pounded by Russian airstrikes Im very happy Im here in America where only the nukes will hit me but a nuclar war probably wont happen.

You could get hit by airstrikes.. not a problem.

 

Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili proposed Saturday to declare a cease fire in the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

 

Saakashvili, speaking at a news conference Saturday, also proposed that the warring parties be separated.

 

Georgia's Security Council secretary, Alexander Lomaia, said Saakashvili's proposal means that the Georgian troops will withdraw from Tskhinvali, the provincial capital of South Ossetia, and stop responding to Russian shelling.

 

The Russian military said previously they already had driven Georgian forces out of Tskhinvali.

 

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Anyone heard about any Russia response to that?

Edited by Barciur

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Considering how Georgia is getting pounded by Russian airstrikes Im very happy Im here in America where only the nukes will hit me but a nuclar war probably wont happen.

You could get hit by airstrikes.. not a problem.

Yes, I know. But Russia would have to go through then the Atlantic. I live in NYC by the way and theres 2 bases near me also(Yes there are bases in NYC protecting the harbour). Also considering a carrier is in Virginia thats a 15 minute plane ride from a jet to NY too, not to mention the airbases in Jersey.

 

I went a little far up there, but basicly it would be very hard to bomb me.

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Considering how Georgia is getting pounded by Russian airstrikes Im very happy Im here in America where only the nukes will hit me but a nuclar war probably wont happen.

You could get hit by airstrikes.. not a problem.

Yes, I know. But Russia would have to go through then the Atlantic. I live in NYC by the way and theres 2 bases near me also(Yes there are bases in NYC protecting the harbour). Also considering a carrier is in Virginia thats a 15 minute plane ride from a jet to NY too, not to mention the airbases in Jersey.

 

I went a little far up there, but basicly it would be very hard to bomb me.

Not what 9/11 showed it ain't.

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Considering how Georgia is getting pounded by Russian airstrikes Im very happy Im here in America where only the nukes will hit me but a nuclar war probably wont happen.

You could get hit by airstrikes.. not a problem.

Yes, I know. But Russia would have to go through then the Atlantic. I live in NYC by the way and theres 2 bases near me also(Yes there are bases in NYC protecting the harbour). Also considering a carrier is in Virginia thats a 15 minute plane ride from a jet to NY too, not to mention the airbases in Jersey.

 

I went a little far up there, but basicly it would be very hard to bomb me.

Not what 9/11 showed it ain't.

Oh please,

 

And lets stop getting off topic.

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9/11 is a VERY different scenario and I will not go into that. Mainland security has been much better since then too

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ok sorry no more OT.

 

do you think NATO will send some forces down there? well if that happens we all know it would be against Russisa..

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Considering how Georgia is getting pounded by Russian airstrikes Im very happy Im here in America where only the nukes will hit me but a nuclar war probably wont happen.

You could get hit by airstrikes.. not a problem.

Yes, I know. But Russia would have to go through then the Atlantic. I live in NYC by the way and theres 2 bases near me also(Yes there are bases in NYC protecting the harbour). Also considering a carrier is in Virginia thats a 15 minute plane ride from a jet to NY too, not to mention the airbases in Jersey.

 

I went a little far up there, but basicly it would be very hard to bomb me.

Not what 9/11 showed it ain't.

Oh please,

 

And lets stop getting off topic.

Indeed.

 

 

Now lets consider the US involvement at the moment. We know there is at least 130 US troops inside of Georgia providing military training to Georgians, massive casualties continue on both sides. Now Russia is pushing even further into Georgia, past South Ossetia. If this continues Georgia will fall. That will not go unnoticed by NATO and will spark a major conflict. And then what? A new great war.

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do you think NATO will send some forces down there? well if that happens we all know it would be against Russisa..

No

 

The best we could do is a 'Charlie Wilson II'. Arm them like we did the Afghan Mujahideen during the eighties.

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ok sorry no more OT.

 

do you think NATO will send some forces down there? well if that happens we all know it would be against Russisa..

Not at the moment, but if this conflict gets even bigger NATO involvement will be justified. We will just have to wait and see.

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ok sorry no more OT.

 

do you think NATO will send some forces down there? well if that happens we all know it would be against Russisa..

Not at the moment, but if this conflict gets even bigger NATO involvement will be justified. We will just have to wait and see.

Georgia is not a part of NATO.

 

NATO holds no obligation to protect Georgia.

 

There are already plans to get the US citizens and defense personnel out.

 

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ok sorry no more OT.

 

do you think NATO will send some forces down there? well if that happens we all know it would be against Russisa..

Not at the moment, but if this conflict gets even bigger NATO involvement will be justified. We will just have to wait and see.

Georgia is not a part of NATO.

 

NATO holds no obligation to protect Georgia.

 

There are already plans to get the US citizens and defense personnel out.

Indeed, but NATO is often involved in supporting sovereign nations under stress, NATO allies of Georgia could get involved in either situation. (the United States)

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ok sorry no more OT.

 

do you think NATO will send some forces down there? well if that happens we all know it would be against Russisa..

Not at the moment, but if this conflict gets even bigger NATO involvement will be justified. We will just have to wait and see.

Georgia is not a part of NATO.

 

NATO holds no obligation to protect Georgia.

 

There are already plans to get the US citizens and defense personnel out.

Yes, but Georgia wanted to join NATO.. But let's skip that part - Georgia is a country that has been attacked by Russia - NATO should go in there and defend a country from the aggressor considering the fact that its own military forces are not good enough to defend their country.. it doesn't even matter now whether they were right or wrong in attacking South Ossetia - notabene their territory - Russia attacked WHOLE Georgia, not just South Ossettia.

 

 

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A delegation including envoys from the US, EU and Nato is heading to Georgia as its conflict with Russia over the breakaway South Ossetia region deepens.

 

The envoys hope to broker a truce after three days of fighting which are said to have killed or injured hundreds.

 

Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, said there could be no "consultations" with Georgia until Georgian forces returned to their positions and re-established "the status quo".

 

 

Edited by Barciur

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ok sorry no more OT.

 

do you think NATO will send some forces down there? well if that happens we all know it would be against Russisa..

Not at the moment, but if this conflict gets even bigger NATO involvement will be justified. We will just have to wait and see.

Georgia is not a part of NATO.

 

NATO holds no obligation to protect Georgia.

 

There are already plans to get the US citizens and defense personnel out.

Yes, but Georgia wanted to join NATO.. But let's skip that part - Georgia is a country that has been attacked by Russia - NATO should go in there and defend a country from the aggressor considering the fact that its own military forces are not good enough to defend their country.. it doesn't even matter now whether they were right or wrong in attacking South Ossetia - notabene their territory - Russia attacked WHOLE Georgia, not just South Ossettia.

NATO getting involved might seem to be the good thing to and all, with Georgia being the weaker side.. But do you reallise how much sh*t that could cause if NATO troops are pushing back Russian troops?

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Georgia is a country that has been attacked by Russia - NATO should go in there and defend a country

 

Wishful thinking, but no. This isn't Yugoslavia where we'd be fighting some pissant country.

 

 

fact that its own military forces are not good enough to defend their country.

 

I think you underestimate the Georgians.

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Exactly TFatseas, NATO as a whole probably couldn't care less about the conflict. America does, but that is because it has promised aid to Georgia in the past and America likes to get up Russia's nose whenever possible but even America wouldn't want to intervene in the conflict. America will be content to fund Georgian troops and fight a war by proxy.

 

America doesn't have the support within Europe or the reasources to fight a war in that region. We are all too busy in Iraq, Afghanistan and probably Iran in the near future to be dealing with an aggresive Russia at the moment. But then again, NATO won't want to appear weak by allowing territorial expansion. This is what happened when Britain and France allowed Hitler to enter the Rheinland and annex the Sudetenland.

 

If Russia makes further territorial demands in other former Eastern Bloc nations such as Ukraine and Belarus then we should be worried about a full scale war. However in South Ossetia Russia doesn't seem to be the instigator of the (current) conflict. It seems Georgia attacked Russian convoys first and so the Russian response is justified to an extent.

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Georgian President is talking to BBC right now. Its on live.

Hes talking about how Russia bombed civilian places.

 

I quote ''this is absolutely unprovoked, 100% a brutal Russian invasion''

Edited by RockstarFan

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I think you underestimate the Georgians.

I hope I am.

 

 

If Russia makes further territorial demands in other former Eastern Bloc nations such as Ukraine and Belarus then we should be worried about a full scale war. However in South Ossetia Russia doesn't seem to be the instigator of the (current) conflict. It seems Georgia attacked Russian convoys first and so the Russian response is justified to an extent.

 

I really don't believe there is a need for more territorial expansion by Russia... it depends on what Russia does now. If they decide to occupy Georgia (hopefully not) then I think it'd be enough to get in there.. so far Russians SEEM to be not interested in Georgia so we shall see.

 

Eh.. back in the day all of the wars were stopped for the Olympics... sad.gif

 

 

Georgian President is talking to BBC right now. Its on live.

Hes talking about how Russia bombed civilian places.

wish they had it on the website confused.gif

Edited by Barciur

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pls delete the post

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Sir Million Knives

Finnish border patrols have been placed on maxium alert apparently. (Friend working on the Karjala border)

 

Why, I dont know.

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If Russia makes further territorial demands in other former Eastern Bloc nations such as Ukraine and Belarus then we should be worried about a full scale war. However in South Ossetia Russia doesn't seem to be the instigator of the (current) conflict. It seems Georgia attacked Russian convoys first and so the Russian response is justified to an extent.

I do believe NATO has to draw the line somewhere, does that mean war? No.

 

Note again, This started when from Ossetia artillery shelled on thurday, and Georgia responded. Now by international law Ossetia and Abkhasia are part of Georgian territory, no question. That Russia backs these tribalists with their own private armies, and that base their economy on smuggling, is clear intervention in the matters of another sovereign nation.

 

The Georgians have been trying to attempt talks for a peaceful settlement with the Ossetians for some time, but been denied everytime.

 

Russia has no business in Georgia. Their only intention is try to get back to the days of old Soviet glory.

 

ETA:I'll refer people back to This post to show why I think this stinks.

Edited by TFatseas

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Finnish border patrols have been placed on maxium alert apparently. (Friend working on the Karjala border)

 

Why, I dont know.

Well if you look who borders them you might find out wink.gif

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