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Georgia attacks South Ossetia

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Der_Don
in b4 ww3

 

 

 

August 08, 2008: War in South Ossetia: Georgia launches an attack into the break away region of South Ossetia, this has lead to the Russian invasion of Georgia that could involve NATO forces in a conflict with Russian. If it does not come to that this conflict will be the closest to a world war happening in the 21st century so far.

 

SOURCE: ALMIGHTY WIKIPEDIA.

 

Deny it all you want, this could very well be World War III.

I just finished Bundeswehr basic training, im prepared wink.gif

See you in Georgia tounge.gif

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Sir Million Knives

the fun part is that im a trained and combat-experienced peacekeeper and a officer in the army.

 

so i'm pretty much dead if this blows over.

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RockstarFan

Is it me or the news only show the story from Georgian side?

Maybe I've missed something mercie_blink.gif

 

But anyhow, Tsaakashvili says Georga is in state of war.

Just heard on the news that Russia is blaming Ukraine for something, I dont get why. I know that Ukranian president is Tsaakashvili's friend so

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Sir Million Knives

But anyhow, Tsaakashvili says Georga is in state of war.

 

gee, i wonder why.

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Yokelsson

Well it was a long time ago since the last Big War. This is refreshing sarcasm.gif

 

I am just waiting to see who will have the guts (or who will be brainless enough) to deploy some nukes.

 

I cheer for Russia, for "The Motherland" biggrin.gif

 

Seriously though, f*ck the wars. This is 21st century and it seems no one learned anything from the past. That makes me angry

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Der_Don

Georgian president just said on a press conference that he wants a cease fire and to stop the military actions. He also stated out that Russia is bombing civilian hospitals and that you can compare this war with the russian invasion in afghanistan.

 

I dont believe that russia will stop the attack. Georgia is about to disappear from the map...

 

EDIT: Oh, and he also mentioned that the Russians are entering abchasia (spelling?).

Edited by Der_Don

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Gouveia

As long as it doesn't come to America, I'm fine cool.gif

 

And as long as there aren't (many) nukes on it.

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Wanted Assailant

Seriously though, f*ck the wars. This is 21st century and it seems no one learned anything from the past. That makes me angry

True. But you can't exactly stop the inevitable.

 

Such small gap between WW2 and if WW3 happens. Shows how eager we are. Although, you know, the most abrupt event can start a full fledged World War.

 

 

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Dom0803

To look at it from Russia's point of view this must be like hitting your little sister whos taking a tantrum.

 

70K people attack the Russian Federation?? I'm sure they're quaking in their little cossack-dancing boots.

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Svip

I don't think Russia's moves were unjustified. Hell, I even think Georgia's move was stupid. But my main concern is how this will escalate.

 

Russia have said they won't let it escalate, if Georgia keeps out of South Ossetia, which they probably won't. And sooner or later, some other forces, perhaps NATO or something, are going to join in. And then I am not so sure that the Russian move was all that clever. But would a move by NATO be clever as well?

 

As I see it, it's really up to Georgia now. They make the right moves, maybe this conflict can turn pretty before it got really ugly. However, I am in doubt, since NATO, among others, have admitted that maybe they have given the Georgian president a bit too much confidence.

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Gouveia

 

O governo do Brasil emitiu uma nota na qual manifesta "preocupação" com a escalada de violência na Ossétia do Sul, lamenta a perda de vidas no conflito e pede que as partes busquem o diálogo e um cessar-fogo imediato.

Basically it says that the goverment from Brazil sent a note to both countries saying that we're concerned on how will it escalate, and that we are sorry for the losts and that we would like that both parts would enter in a dialog and cease fire.

 

We're too much of pacifists. I'm concerned too, because if the USA goes on the war, Brazil will want too. We don't have many troops, and with that, we will be vunerable and sh*t.

 

@Svip: I agree with you. The guilty is Georgia. It was the country that start with it all. Russia will probably want to take that piece of land, but it won't want to make this conflict last too long, since they'll loose a lot of resources too.

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Eddie280

Apperently S. Ossetia is historically and ethnically much closer to Russia than to Georgia. It supported the Bolsheviks in the Russian Civil War and the 70,000 thnic Ossetians in the Region speak a language much closer to Russian. Georgia just can't accept a Russian enclave which extents so far into Georgia's heartland. So It does seem that Georgia is more in the wrong in this conflict than Russia.

 

This then suggests that the Georgian government was confident of NATO backing when he attacked but it doesn't seem like this will manifest itself because like Svip said the Georgian president is far from reliable.

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Der_Don

Georgian president is going to meet Angela Merkel and foreign minister Steinmeier today (or was it tomorrow). Im excited what happens next.

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Svip

Russia's action also has a lot to do with territorial claim. Not for ethnic sake, but for strategic sake.

 

During the Cold War, and when the USSR was till in place, the USSR had plenty of naval points. The Baltic Sea, the Black Sea, the Eastern Sea, yeah, they could reach most places back then. But after the fall of the USSR, Russia have very few naval locations left. In fact, St. Petersburg is their best location out to the Baltic Sea after they lost the Baltic countries. In addition, Ukraine have gained control of one of the USSR's prime location around the Black Sea.

 

And Georgia? It has strategic locations to the Black Sea as well. Except for the Baltic countries, that Russia have admitted lost of they joined NATO and the EU, Russia still have large interest in the former Soviet Republics. And would hate to see further of them join NATO or the EU. Of course, the Baltic countries are the ones doing best of those, followed by Georgia.

 

So don't think Russia's intentions are so simple as to protect their citizens, there are more military value in this conflict than meets the eye.

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SPMovies

Wondering everyone: Why does Russia hate NATO? I know the cold war but thats been over more 2 decades and Russia is a democratic country. Instead of possiblities of a big war between NATO and Russia why cant they just join NATO? Why must they still hold a grudge?

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philster_12

if this war turns out to be an all out war i bet this will be a PC game (in the future)

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lord fido

 

Wondering everyone: Why does Russia hate NATO? I know the cold war but thats been over more 2 decades and Russia is a democratic country. Instead of possiblities of a big war between NATO and Russia why cant they just join NATO? Why must they still hold a grudge?

Because it would screw russia up. They want total domination as it seems, and that wouldnt help for sh*t.

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Svip
Wondering everyone: Why does Russia hate NATO? I know the cold war but thats been over more 2 decades and Russia is a democratic country. Instead of possiblities of a big war between NATO and Russia why cant they just join NATO? Why must they still hold a grudge?

Nationalistic. NATO is considered the enemy of Russia by its people. And in order to get people worked up about something, give them a scapegoat. NATO is a perfect example of a scapegoat for Russia.

 

NATO was created as an union against the USSR. Russia had hoped that after the fall of the USSR, NATO would also vanish, but they didn't. Instead, just seem to move closer and closer to Russian interest areas, and whatnot. It's no confusion that Russia doesn't like NATO.

 

This conflict shows why Russia does not like NATO. Had Georgia become part of NATO, as it so much wants, Russia could only have sat idle by. Russia would not risk getting in war with NATO. Basically, NATO stops Russia from minding its own business, because suddenly everything becomes everyone's business.

 

However, neither would NATO risk a war with Russia, so NATO is afraid to react in this situation. Imagine if a NATO member tried helping Georgia out, that could immediately lead to war with Russia. And thus as a part of the contract of NATO, its members had to join.

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Gouveia

 

So don't think Russia's intentions are so simple as to protect their citizens, there are more military value in this conflict than meets the eye.

They will want to get to the size, or at least very closely, to what the USSR once was. It had most of the Asian country for it, plenty of space for naval deployment, wich was the main way of transporting and deploying weapons and troops to other countries.

 

They're going for the world, no doubt, but is it posible to get it? I don't know, I'll let Svip answer it, since he can explain that way better than me.

 

EDIT: I know I may be talking a lot of sh*t here. Excuse me in case that happens.

Edited by VinnyGouveia

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Breaking Bohan

 

So don't think Russia's intentions are so simple as to protect their citizens, there are more military value in this conflict than meets the eye.

They will want to get to the size, or at least very closely, to what the USSR once was. It had most of the Asian country for it, plenty of space for naval deployment, wich was the main way of transporting and deploying weapons and troops to other countries.

 

They're going for the world, no doubt, but is it posible to get it? I don't know, I'll let Svip answer it, since he can explain that way better than me.

While it's kind of sad that there is so little coverage of this war in USA via CNN, it may also be a good thing in that it keeps USA from saying something stupid and losing face against Russia, and thereby minimizes the chance USA could escalate the conflict in some unnecessary way.

How long is Russia going to keep bombing Georgia, when Georgia already made plea for cease-fire, which was apparently rejected? What is Russian end-game here?

 

*The only possible trouble-spot would be if presidential candidates begin to start running their mouth about this conflict --- that would put it right in the public eye (since that is all CNN covers 24/7). They would probably try to one-up each other on who could look like a hard-ass against the Russians. That could all be bad. suicidal.gif

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Svip
So don't think Russia's intentions are so simple as to protect their citizens, there are more military value in this conflict than meets the eye.

They will want to get to the size, or at least very closely, to what the USSR once was. It had most of the Asian country for it, plenty of space for naval deployment, wich was the main way of transporting and deploying weapons and troops to other countries.

 

They're going for the world, no doubt, but is it posible to get it? I don't know, I'll let Svip answer it, since he can explain that way better than me.

 

EDIT: I know I may be talking a lot of sh*t here. Excuse me in case that happens.

lol, no, my friend, Russia is not after the world or world domination, and it never was. Well, it might have been... long time ago, but during the Cold War, and since then it hasn't.

 

Russia, and by extension, the USSR, have always had national interest in keep its border secure. For instance, the Cuba Crisis is likely not something the USSR initially wanted. The most likely suggestion is that Cuba wanted to scare the USA, and asked the USSR for the missiles. The USSR complied, because it could move to give them some gain to protect their national security. The USSR did not wish a war with the USA.

 

And so it is today, Russia would love to avoid war if it can. It just don't want to loose anything. And Russia has only accepted the Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) as its lost countries. Remember that Poland, East Germany, etc., were not part of the USSR, but the Warsaw Pact. Russia is not trying to gain back on the Warsaw Pact countries. But it does have interest in former Soviet Republics.

 

But they don't want the world, don't ever think that.

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Breaking Bohan

I wonder how many countries Russia could re-take before the rest of the world stopped them ...

 

Hmmm... I'm guessing 4 countries (Estonia, Latvia, Poland, and Germany)

 

Edit: well Germany would be a challenge ... maybe like 1/2 of Germany ...

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Svip
I wonder how many countries Russia could re-take before the rest of the world stopped them ...

 

Hmmm... I'm guessing 4 countries (Estonia, Latvia, Poland, and Germany)

You really think they'd take Germany? You have no military knowledge, do you?

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DanManUtd

If they'd attack Germany, the entire NATO would be after them, and NATO is:

 

This.

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brz59
If they'd attack Germany, the entire NATO would be after them, and NATO is:

 

This.

If they'd attack ANY of the NATO states, not just Germany,

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Barciur

 

UN saw Kosovo as part of Yugoslavia, but they didn't call NATO's attack as a land grab. Why is that?

 

 

And I'm sounding a bit anti-Russian.. but there is reasons to that. wink.gif Look at the flag in my profile - that explains a lot.

Common, that was 60 years ago.

Well not really. It goes way back than this.. If you look at the history of Poland you see a lot of reasons to hate Russia.. it just stays in there, I know it's stupid. But there is that picture of bad Russia.. especially since we were under their rule (unofficially) till about 17 years ago...

 

 

Hmmm... I'm guessing 4 countries (Estonia, Latvia, Poland, and Germany)

All of the countries you have mentioned are in NATO..

 

 

Anyway.. "Presidents of Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Estonia have criticised Russian military actions against Georgia and called Russia to leave Georgian territory" while George Bush "called Russia to leave Georgia". Say whatever you want, the world is against Russia in this conflict.

 

EDIT:

Russian jets have bombed a Georgian town amid a deepening crisis over the breakaway South Ossetia region.

 

Georgia says 60 people died in Gori when the bombs hit residential buildings as well as military targets.

 

Link

 

So there you go - Russia just decided to lose any justficiation of their actions and decided to start going on killing. Good job..

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Hart
UN saw Kosovo as part of Yugoslavia, but they didn't call NATO's attack as a land grab. Why is that?

 

 

And I'm sounding a bit anti-Russian.. but there is reasons to that. wink.gif Look at the flag in my profile - that explains a lot.

Common, that was 60 years ago.

Well not really. It goes way back than this.. If you look at the history of Poland you see a lot of reasons to hate Russia.. it just stays in there, I know it's stupid. But there is that picture of bad Russia.. especially since we were under their rule (unofficially) till about 17 years ago...

 

 

Hmmm... I'm guessing 4 countries (Estonia, Latvia, Poland, and Germany)

All of the countries you have mentioned are in NATO..

 

 

Anyway.. "Presidents of Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Estonia have criticised Russian military actions against Georgia and called Russia to leave Georgian territory" while George Bush "called Russia to leave Georgia". Say whatever you want, the world is against Russia in this conflict.

 

EDIT:

Russian jets have bombed a Georgian town amid a deepening crisis over the breakaway South Ossetia region.

 

Georgia says 60 people died in Gori when the bombs hit residential buildings as well as military targets.

 

Link

 

So there you go - Russia just decided to lose any justficiation of their actions and decided to start going on killing. Good job..

Wow, this is escalating a lot.

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Breaking Bohan

Yes, things dont look good for Russia on the PR front. I advised the Russian Propoganda machine yesterday to get their act together and put out plausible reasons for invading Georgia. The news over here now reports its an all-out-war, and if the Russian war machine wants to smash smaller countries (dipping their vodka-covered balls in their face) nothing can stop them except those countries. Its going to be a real bloody mess.

 

@ Baricur - I wouldn't believe any of them ... why pick sides?

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Barciur

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili has denounced Russian reports of a high civilian death toll from his forces as an "egregious lie".

 

This is a quote from the news.. and now who are we supposed to believe - Russians or Georgians? I can't pick, any help mercie_blink.gif

 

also...

 

The UK, the US and France, are pinpointing what they say is Russia's aggression as the key factor in the slide towards war, while Moscow insists Georgia is to blame.

 

@Breaking Bohan - yeah you're absolutely right. The problem is some news get stuff from Russia others from Georgia.. I don't know I may just go back to sleep

Edited by Barciur

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RockstarFan

Combined US delegations are on the way to Georgia according to sky news.

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