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agent17

Georgia attacks South Ossetia

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agent17

"War is to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."

 

Now were are the PMCs?

 

Apparently we are waiting for Russia's word right now in order to put a ceasefire into effect and to come to agreement. It looks like this could turn into a three day war or a major conflict, depending on Russia's decision.

 

If this was during the cold war the United States would have invaded Russia by now due to the Marshal plan.

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Lioshenka
"War is to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."

Isn't it vice versa? smile.gif

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"War is to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."

Isn't it vice versa? smile.gif

The statement is a fallacy. Oil and war go hand in hand.

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Breaking Bohan
"War is to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."

Isn't it vice versa? smile.gif

The statement is a fallacy. Oil and war go hand in hand.

So are you saying that Georgia has much oil, and Russia is smashing their airport because they have oodles of oil?

 

While that would provide a motive, what does Russia hope to do in the end? Do they want to make Georgia their slaves, or do they just want to push them around and feel all big? Does anyone know??

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"War is to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."

Isn't it vice versa? smile.gif

The statement is a fallacy. Oil and war go hand in hand.

So are you saying that Georgia has much oil, and Russia is smashing their airport because they have oodles of oil?

 

While that would provide a motive, what does Russia hope to do in the end? Do they want to make Georgia their slaves, or do they just want to push them around and feel all big? Does anyone know??

That is actually a good question. Maybe they want more territory, its not like they have much anyway. sarcasm.gif

 

Honestly I don't know, maybe they are just showing off their military might, just like during the cold war.

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TFatseas

A large oil pipeline runs through Georgia.

 

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Russia / Georgia conflict sounds alarm bells at threat to vital link in the energy chain

Robin Pagnamenta, Energy and Environment Editor

 

The conflict erupting in the Caucasus has set alarm bells ringing for many reasons, not least Georgia’s pivotal role in the supply of Central Asian oil to the West.

 

While it has no significant oil or gas reserves of its own, Georgia is a key transit point for oil from the Caspian region destined for Europe and the United States. Crucially, it is the only practical route from this increasingly important producer region that avoids both Russia and Iran.

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Georgians

 

Sorry, no Russian, at least from the current conflict.

I wonder who gave them those brand new weapons and cool digital uniforms? rolleyes.gif

 

To be honest, if all out war breaks, I doubt Georgia will be that weak in to be over-run by Russia easily. It could go either way, and it's better for everyone if they just sort it out peacefully. Just get the people of S. Oestia to vote what they want to happen to them - to continue being part of Georgia, to seek independance and national soveriegnty, to be handed over to Russia, or other, open to sensible solutions. Is it that f*cking hard to use common sense, and sort sh*t out democratically without yet another war?

 

I'm sure both sides' politicians are guilty somewhat and know it, otherwise they wont be sorting it out with fighting.

 

@Svip: I totally agree, from where I'm standing, it is saddening to see oil (or other natural resources) and war seemingly going hand-in-hand. confused.gif

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Reuters just reported the following:

"Both sides ignored pleas from world leaders for calm as Moscow and Tbilisi blamed each other for the fighting in South Ossetia which began after several days of skirmishes. Georgian forces shelled the capital of its breakaway region, which separatists said left 1,400 people dead.

 

Moscow said its troops were responding to a Georgian assault to retake the region, which broke from Georgia as the Soviet Union was collapsing but has no international recognition.

 

The crisis, the first to confront Kremlin leader Dmitry Medvedev since he took office in May, with violence flaring in a region seen as a key energy transit route where Russia and the West are vying for influence. The hostilities dampened investor confidence and hit the Moscow stock exchange.

 

Georgia said Russia bombed airfields and Poti port deep inside its territory and Tbilisi and rushed tanks and troops into South Ossetia, formally still a part of Georgia, to reinforce its small force of peacekeepers.

 

"If the whole world does not stop Russia today, then Russian tanks will be able to reach any other European capital," President Mikheil Saakashvili said."

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Many more dead than one would think after watching CNN all day (such worthless broadcasting!). Things don't look so good.

@Agent - are you saying that Russia does just want to smack them around and humiliate them or what?? I can see they have lots of land, but maybe they want more and more, or maybe the Russians are insecure about their sexuality and need to make others feel bad so they can feel good, eh?

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@Agent - are you saying that Russia does just want to smack them around and humiliate them or what?? I can see they have lots of land, but maybe they want more and more, or maybe the Russians are insecure about their sexuality and need to make others feel bad so they can feel good, eh?

Well right now it is too early to say anything officially now. But it would not be impossible for Russia to be simply Power hungry. In any case it doesn't look like the fighting will die down any time soon.

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TFatseas

Currently Russia has started bombing ports and cities well south of South Ossetia.

 

That isn't peacekeeping.

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Lol I laughed at everybody who thought Georgia was in the U.S.

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"If the whole world does not stop Russia today, then Russian tanks will be able to reach any other European capital," President Mikheil Saakashvili said."[/b]

 

WTF?!

why would they go into other European capitals?

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My guess: Russia doesn't want America to get their hands on oil resources and so close to them. America will of course provide help for Georgians and in return they will get the oil.

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Breaking Bohan

 

Currently Russia is bombing ports and cities well south of South Ossetia.

 

That isn't peacekeeping.

I dunno ... if the rebels have ties to terrorists then blowing up their ports and buildings could count as "peace keeping". I think the worst outcome, as to Russia's motives, is that they are simply power hungry and felt like plopping Georgians right in the ass. On the otherhand, it does look like the Georgian troops do have snazzy M4's and classy outfits ... and for some reason the USA had over 100 military personel in-country "training" the Georgian military.

 

So, maybe if USA knows how to train Georgian soldiers, they will not be a pushover for Russia. If I could get some legit news coverage, I could figure out what's going on. The really scary thing is that the media doesn't care (CNN specifically), and therefore are not informing people who maybe should be aware what's happening.

 

@ROCKSTAR: why wouldn't they go to any other capital? who's going to stop them?

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Currently Russia is bombing ports and cities well south of South Ossetia.

 

That isn't peacekeeping.

I dunno ... if the rebels have ties to terrorists then blowing up their ports and buildings could count as "peace keeping".

 

 

Who are the rebels? The Russians are hitting Georgian ports and cities. OUTSIDE of South Ossetia.

 

If you call yourselves peacekeepers, you don't do preventative strikes. Let alone versus civilian targets.

 

The Russians support the Ossetian separatists rebels.

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@ROCKSTAR:  why wouldn't they go to any other capital?  who's going to stop them?

Russia is not interested in Starting a war with Germany, France and GB because there are no problems tradingwise etc. and it really doesnt benefit Russia as those countries don't have any resources or anything else that Russia need so badly. Envading Poland, Latvia, Slovenia doesnt really benefit Russia at all due to the fact they are in NATO and it will result in sanctions but also there is no need spreading Russian forces all over Europe and leaving Russia itself unnatended.

 

The worst outcome IMO would be defeat of Tbilisi, separation of Osetia and new election in Georgia.

 

But the actual outcome IMO wil be that Russia will destroy all military airfields and barracks and garages of Georgia and leave them be to cool down and think twice before doing it again.

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Sergi

The US intervenes in too many conflicts that don't involve them. 1s Vietnam and we know how that turned out and then Desert Storm and Somalia. If Russia wants to invade ITs NEIGHBORING COUNTRY why does the US care. I mean haven't we been doing the same thing for years now? Invading other people countries for bullsh*t reasons.

 

I highly doubt Russia will back off and this could easily get out of hand. I don't undersatnd why some people try to say America is not an Empire because it practices Democracy and not Imperialsim yet it does things that Empires do.

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Lol I laughed at everybody who thought Georgia was in the U.S.

The south will rise again! - Lol

 

That is truly hilarious.

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The US intervenes in too many conflicts that don't involve them. 1s Vietnam and we know how that turned out and then Desert Storm and Somalia. If Russia wants to invade ITs NEIGHBORING COUNTRY why does the US care. I mean haven't we been doing the same thing for years now? Invading other people countries for bullsh*t reasons.

 

I highly doubt Russia will back off and this could easily get out of hand. I don't undersatnd why some people try to say America is not an Empire because it practices Democracy and not Imperialsim yet it does things that Empires do.

Because they are ALLIES, Sergi. This is one of those cases where military action is, pretty much, warranted.

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Can someone please change the name of the topic as it is misleading? Georgia attacked THEIR OWN TERRITORY (lol) to keep peace in, Russia invaded Georgia therefore if anyone attacked anyone it's the other way around.

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The US intervenes in too many conflicts that don't involve them. 1s Vietnam and we know how that turned out and then Desert Storm and Somalia. If Russia wants to invade ITs NEIGHBORING COUNTRY why does the US care. I mean haven't we been doing the same thing for years now? Invading other people countries for bullsh*t reasons.

 

I highly doubt Russia will back off and this could easily get out of hand. I don't undersatnd why some people try to say America is not an Empire because it practices Democracy and not Imperialsim yet it does things that Empires do.

Because they are ALLIES, Sergi. This is one of those cases where military action is, pretty much, warranted.

Yes, I've said the same thing before. The United States always want to keep a tight bond around its allies in any situation, partly to prove that it is a supper power that should not be taken lightly. Georgia is a small nation, it probably would not last long if the fighting continues like this. Russia does have a powerful military after all.

 

Right now the important thing is issuing a ceasefire or agreement, which at the moment neither side is considering. Meaning this will most likely get worse before it gets better.

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Breaking Bohan
The US intervenes in too many conflicts that don't involve them. 1s Vietnam and we know how that turned out and then Desert Storm and Somalia. If Russia wants to invade ITs NEIGHBORING COUNTRY why does the US care. I mean haven't we been doing the same thing for years now? Invading other people countries for bullsh*t reasons.

 

I highly doubt Russia will back off and this could easily get out of hand. I don't undersatnd why some people try to say America is not an Empire because it practices Democracy and not Imperialsim yet it does things that Empires do.

Because they are ALLIES, Sergi. This is one of those cases where military action is, pretty much, warranted.

I don't know if USA will stand around and allow oil-rich nations to be pushed around, especially if we're training their army. It could turn into a pissing contest .... that's bad. I also just heard on the news, believe it or not, that it is very difficult for Russia logistically to get lots of ground troops through mountains and into O.

 

Maybe UN will save the day!

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agent17

Can someone change the topic title? This morning the world was misinformed of Georgia's and Russia's intentions. The title should be "Georgia and Russia in Conflict" or something to that effect. As Georgia didn't actually attack Russia, contrary to what the news said this morning.

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I hope Georgians get put in their place.

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Breaking Bohan
Can someone change the topic title? This morning the world was misinformed of Georgia's and Russia's intentions. The title should be "Georgia and Russia in Conflict" or something to that effect. As Georgia didn't actually attack Russia, contrary to what the news said this morning.

That title is OK, but I think we could come up with something a little snazzier: "chafing on Russia's bottom"; "boming Russia's boarders"; "Russian rapists rape the citizens of Georgia" .... sure the titles may not be accurate, but neither is CNN so who cares ... hopefully this forum is not people's only source for news (or else we are all doomed)!

 

Also, I don't know how to change the title.

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Barciur

 

Can someone change the topic title? This morning the world was misinformed of Georgia's and Russia's intentions. The title should be "Georgia and Russia in Conflict" or something to that effect. As Georgia didn't actually attack Russia, contrary to what the news said this morning.

That title is OK, but I think we could come up with something a little snazzier: "chafing on Russia's bottom"; "boming Russia's boarders"; "Russian rapists rape the citizens of Georgia" .... sure the titles may not be accurate, but neither is CNN so who cares ... hopefully this forum is not people's only source for news (or else we are all doomed)!

 

Also, I don't know how to change the title.

No, the title is not okay as Georgia didn't attack Russian territory at all.

 

lol I never read anything on American news so I had no idea you guys were misinformed.. everything on European news was correct.

 

BTW. if you edit your post you should be able to edit title.

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The US intervenes in too many conflicts that don't involve them. 1s Vietnam and we know how that turned out and then Desert Storm and Somalia. If Russia wants to invade ITs NEIGHBORING COUNTRY why does the US care. I mean haven't we been doing the same thing for years now? Invading other people countries for bullsh*t reasons.

 

I highly doubt Russia will back off and this could easily get out of hand. I don't undersatnd why some people try to say America is not an Empire because it practices Democracy and not Imperialsim yet it does things that Empires do.

Because they are ALLIES, Sergi. This is one of those cases where military action is, pretty much, warranted.

Yes, I've said the same thing before. The United States always want to keep a tight bond around its allies in any situation, partly to prove that it is a supper power that should not be taken lightly. Georgia is a small nation, it probably would not last long if the fighting continues like this. Russia does have a powerful military after all.

 

Right now the important thing is issuing a ceasefire or agreement, which at the moment neither side is considering. Meaning this will most likely get worse before it gets better.

And Russia is trying to prove that it's trying to become and Super Power again and that shouldn't be taken lightly. Now I don't belive in violence unless it has to be done so in the case of War I beleived in WW II but not in Vietnam,Desert Storm,Somalia and those didn't turn out good in our favor but I also don't belive in the current war on terror. When it 1st started it was all for the wrong reasons and it was basicly just for Bush to do what his dad couldn't do and shat was get Sadam.

 

What happened to the guys who attacked our homeland? Those are the guys the US should have kept fighting not a country where they said Nuclear weapons were then stated after the fact none were ever found there. The War with Iraq is not a justifialbe war and if this thing with Russia boils over that's also not a justifiable war.

 

The US needs to be maing friends with the current rising superpowers. China and India are stated to become major powers within the next decase not to mention those populations outnumber everone and Russia is also trying to get back up there. Now I don't try to tlak polotics so I don't pay attention to much of it but the US telling another country to stop doing what they are doing is like a murderer telling another murderer stop killing.

 

Why doesn't the US decide to help countries like Africa or partts of Asia where mass genocides are happening? Thoe countries aren't good enough for out governemtn to stick their noses in or something?

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Lioshenka

 

I don't know if USA will stand around and allow oil-rich nations to be pushed around, especially if we're training their army.  It could turn into a pissing contest .... that's bad.  I also just heard on the news, believe it or not, that it is very difficult for Russia logistically to get lots of ground troops through mountains and into O. 

 

Maybe UN will save the day!

I think Georgia is not reach of oil, well if they do they don't have plants or pipelines, USA has got its own refineries, I doubt they would be interested in oil neither is Russia.

 

Georgia has gone too far since Saakashvili became the president. he blames Russia for everything, he critisises it too much like nobody else so when Medvedev said he is going to defend its own citizens. It is OK to do that as long as you have at least som epoints and prrof to suport you. Most of the stuff Bush says at least has some logic and backup, but Georgian President was a bit too brave and it did not turn out well. I think there are two reasons for the conflict - protect the citizens and destroy Georgias military assets i.e tell them a bit less polite to be pay more respect to its neighbour.

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Are the Russians going to pillage their lands and violate their personal space and steal their cattle and women? I just don't understand what they are attempting to do ... they did a piss poor job of attempting to cook up an excuse for this action.

 

ATTENTION russian propoganda machine: you need to get a story out; you look bad in the USA because it's being reported that you basically just invaded Georgia for no reason .... so get your ducks in order! sigh.gif

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Are the Russians going to pillage their lands and violate their personal space and steal their cattle and women? I just don't understand what they are attempting to do ... they did a piss poor job of attempting to cook up an excuse for this action.

 

ATTENTION russian propoganda machine: you need to get a story out; you look bad in the USA because it's being reported that you basically just invaded Georgia for no reason .... so get your ducks in order! sigh.gif

It only looks bad to the small percentage thjat actually care. I'm pretty sure the massese don't even care about this mainly because it has nothing to do with our country.

 

Now if Russia said " f*ck the USA if they try to get anymore involved we'll bomb them" then the masses will care. But 2 European countries fighting over an invasion doesn't peak much interest in most Americans

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