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Georgia attacks South Ossetia

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Mike Tequeli

Well whatever happens, the US will take great lengths to not get in a war with Russia right now, and I imagine Russia feels the same way.

 

It would be kind of Ironic if Russia and America went to war only after The Cold War ended and the USSR collapsed.

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LaBan,Aug 8 2008, 18:52] Georgia has been accused by Russian politicians for not giving up, but Russians are invading into Georgia and why aren't they allowed to protect their country??

Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Back in USSR time Osetia was an autonomous republic within Georgian SSR. After the collapse on the Union all Autonomous republics had to have a referendum/voting which would decide whether they stay within Georgia (or other country) or whether they become independent. Neither Abhazia nor Osetia had those referendums, so although they are in Georgia it is not the way it is supposed to be.

 

So far Russians haven't invaded Georgia. At least the act of the invasion as we know it hasn't happen. Russian jets have destroyed two military airports in Georgia just to stop their planes bombimg Osetia, where 90% of people are Russians but haben't bombed Georgian towns or crossed the border. Yet. wink.gif

 

 

It seems from here to be trying to get the old Soviet union back - this is further evident from it's anger and involvement with Georgia entering NATO.

It is like 80 or 90 percent op people in Georgia who share anti-Russian feelings. I doubt Russia would want to take the republic back, in those circumstances. If it really did, it wouldn't be a great deal to capture and defeat Georgia by today's evening.

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Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

 

 

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Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

The referendum wasn't held. And without it the status of Osetia is not clear.

 

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Wait, referendum was held by osetian government in 2006 (or 07) and 99% of people were for separation from Georgia and 95% for joining Russia. Because the referendum had to be held by Georgia as the "hosting" country those results can not be taken seriously.

 

ADDED EVEN LATER

 

Let's press the issue!!! biggrin.gif

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Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

Damn! this all sounds fairly complicated .... how come noone knows who is in control of this place? Maybe dialogue is the answer! Let's all give it a shot and resolve this problem ... let's Press The Issue!

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Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

Damn! this all sounds fairly complicated .... how come noone knows who is in control of this place? Maybe dialogue is the answer! Let's all give it a shot and resolve this problem ... let's Press The Issue!

You're straying slightly off topic, but whatever

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Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

Tell this to the Ossetians. And explain them the advantages of life in such nazi state like Georgia.

 

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Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

Tell this to the Ossetians. And explain them the advantages of life in such nazi state like Georgia.

Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

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"We will not allow their deaths to go unpunished," "Those responsible will receive a deserved punishment."

 

So much for being peacekeepers, trying to keep the belligerent sides apart.

 

This attack went so well for the Russians there is no way this wasn't planned. It is not like their usual attack and come up with a plan on the fly.

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Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

Tell this to the Ossetians. And explain them the advantages of life in such nazi state like Georgia.

Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Well, i guess a "Nazi state" from a russians mouth is said about every country who aren't going to do what Russia is dictating to them.

They are still claiming that Estonians are nazis (for removing bronze soldier from capital Tallinn, even though there have been them removed in Russia and nobody was claiming. So much for the patriotism)... whatsthat.gifturn.gif

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"We will not allow their deaths to go unpunished," "Those responsible will receive a deserved punishment."

 

So much for being peacekeepers, trying to keep the belligerent sides apart.

 

This attack went so well for the Russians there is no way this wasn't planned. It is not like their usual attack and come up with a plan on the fly.

Are there religious differences amongst these groups? Can someone explain why they all hate each other so much? (So sorry for my ignorance but I can't get any valuable news from worthless CNN).

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LaBan' date='Aug 8 2008, 17:08']

Technically speaking, Osetia is NOT Georgia. Although it is coloured in one colour on the map.

 

Technically speaking, Ossetia isn't considered independent and is still a part of Georgia.

Tell this to the Ossetians. And explain them the advantages of life in such nazi state like Georgia.

Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Well, i guess a "Nazi state" from a russians mouth is said about every country who aren't going to do what Russia is dictating to them.

They are still claiming that Estonians are nazis.... whatsthat.gifturn.gif

Hell, it the same tactic the Nazi's pulled.

 

Sudetenland anyone?

 

 

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Wow, seems Godwins law has taken over this place... Nazis already!

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Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Georgian government doesn't approve human views on the real world, kid. Stop eating CNN's bullsh*t. The sooner the better.

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Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Georgian government doesn't approve human views on the real world, kid. Stop eating CNN's bullsh*t. The sooner the better.

Yea, let's start looking for news from the Russian propaganda!! News straightly from national heroes of Russia!

 

Here's a good start

 

Go get a air freshener or something, your nose seems to be filled up with nuclear weapon smoke.

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Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Georgian government doesn't approve human views on the real world, kid. Stop eating CNN's bullsh*t. The sooner the better.

CNN is much more objective, than the news you see in Russia, trust me on that.

You rather stop eating bullsh*t you're fed in Russia... and btw.. I've read news from various sources, including aforementioned AP.

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LaBan' date='Aug 8 2008, 21:24']
Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Georgian government doesn't approve human views on the real world, kid. Stop eating CNN's bullsh*t. The sooner the better.

Yea, let's start looking for news from the Russian propaganda!! News straightly from national heroes of Russia!

 

Here's a good start

Damnit guy, can you tell us where we can find some propoganda in English! If my computer gets infected by your foreign links, I won't be able to follow breaking news and I would have to rely only on CNN. suicidal.gif

 

Can someone tell me why these people hated each other before they started bombing each other??

 

 

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Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Georgian government doesn't approve human views on the real world, kid. Stop eating CNN's bullsh*t. The sooner the better.

CNN is much more objective, than the news you see in Russia, trust me on that.

You rather stop eating bullsh*t you're fed in Russia... and btw.. I've read news from various sources, including aforementioned AP.

A truth from the past that's going to continue:

Almost never trust russian news sources, look for a foreign one (but they may be influenced too because a lot of them are looking for their information from russian media).

 

 

Damnit guy, can you tell us where we can find some propoganda in English! If my computer gets infected by your foreign links, I won't be able to follow breaking news and I would have to rely only on CNN.

 

But here's the power of it my friend. News are directed for the russians who are seeking for the information, not for people who are english or germans. If there would be an english version for it, then we wouln't think so good about russains politics. Nashis are officially approved by Putin. Shifty41s_beerhatsmilie2.gif

 

 

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MOSCOW — The sharpest fighting since the early 1990s in the disputed Caucasian enclave of South Ossetia threatened to draw Russia and the American-backed former Soviet republic of Georgia into direct military conflict on Friday.

 

Georgian officials said their military had fired on Russian planes and that their aircraft had bombed a convoy of Russian tanks that moved into South Ossetia, the pro-Russian enclave that has enjoyed de facto autonomy from Georgia since 2004.

 

Russian officials said they had not yet decided whether to respond militarily, and a local Russian official said the convoy was humanitarian.

 

But the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday afternoon that it would protect Russian citizens in the territory and Russian peacekeepers who came under fire in the capital of the enclave, Tskhinvali.

 

“The Georgian leadership has unleashed a dirty adventure,” the ministry said in a statement, posted on its Web site. “The blood shed in South Ossetia will remain on the conscience of these people and their entourage. We will not allow anyone to do harm to our peacekeepers and citizens of the Russian Federation.”

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

The fighting presented the most dangerous crisis in years in the Caucasus region,

a key conduit for the flow of oil from the Caspian sea to world markets and an area where violent conflict has flared along the Russia’s outskirts for centuries, most recently in Chechnya.

 

The developments raised the question of how the United States might react to a Russian attack on Georgia, an American ally whose pursuit of NATO membership has angered the Russians.

 

By midday Friday, Georgian army units were trying to seize the rebel capital, Tskhinvali, using heavy machine guns and mortars in firefights with separatist paramilitary fighters, Shota Utiashvili, an official at the Interior Ministry of Georgia, said in an interview.

 

"Now, the army will have to take the capital,” he said, citing “massive fire” aimed at Georgian troops by fighters inside the city.

 

The head of a Russian peacekeeping force in the city, Marat M. Kulakhmetov, said in a telephone interview that the city had come under “massive attack” by the Georgians and that civilians had been wounded. As he spoke, shooting could be heard in the background.

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian official, said Georgians had seen Russian forces, including “hundreds of soldiers and dozens of armored vehicles, including tanks,” move up the military highway into the Caucasus Mountains that ties the separatist enclave to Russia.

 

By morning, they had passed through a mountain tunnel into the northern portion of the enclave, he said. "They are on Georgian territory now.”

 

"We don’t know whether they are militias or regular Russian forces," he said. "As they carry heavy equipment, we think they must be regulars. We don’t know. We just know they are coming to attack us."

 

He said Georgian Su-25 ground attack airplanes had struck the convoy and that the Georgians believed they had caused casualties and destroyed Russian armored vehicles.

 

But a spokesman for Teimuraz Mamsurov, the president of the semiautonomous Russian republic of North Ossetia, which borders the disputed territory, said the Georgian planes had struck an automobile convoy shipping humanitarian aid from Vladikavkaz to South Ossetia.

 

He said he had no information about the sighting of Russian tanks.

 

The Georgian military fired on Russian fighter jets that bombed Georgian territory and strafed Georgian positions at about 11 a.m. Moscow time, Mr. Utiashvili said.

 

Georgia’s president, Mikhail Saakashvili, ordered the “total mobilization” of military reserves, said Kaha Lomaia, Georgia’s national security adviser. He said about 70,000 troops would be mobilized, though not all would be immediately called up.

 

"They will be on high alert," he said.

 

Russian leaders sent mixed signals about their response. A spokesman for President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia said the president’s security council would hold an emergency meeting shortly to decide how to respond to the Georgian incursion.

 

But Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said that Russia would retaliate.

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, he said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

Mr. Medvedev’s spokesman, Alexei Pavlov, declined in an interview to say whether Russia would respond with military force.

 

"There is a lot of information and it is very contradictory," he said. "Any word said in the wrong context could be ruinous for the peaceful and human resolution of this conflict."

 

The reported Georgian attacks were likely to be seen as a sharp provocation by Russia. But it also may have reason to tamp down the fighting to avoid chaos in a region not far from its Black Sea resort town of Sochi, where Russia will host the Winter Olympics in 2014.

 

Analysts said that Georgia could be trying to seize an opportune moment — with world leaders focused on the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this week — to reclaim the territory.

 

Russia also may be seeking to draw attention away from another breakaway Georgian region, Abkhazia, where it has been under pressure to allow a settlement between pro-Russian and pro-Georgian factions, analysts said.

 

Meanwhile, Russian citizens in South Ossetia called on Russia to intervene, “We are being killed by Georgian aggressors,” they said in a letter posted on an official Web site maintained jointly by South Ossetia and North Ossetia, an adjacent territory on Russian territory that wants to unite with the southern region.

 

“We, hiding in the basement of a house, showered by bombs, are not feeling now that we are citizens of a great country. We hear Russia has a great air force and excellent planes. Protect your citizens. You are our last hope."

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian Interior Ministry official, said that about 10 Russian jets dropped seven or eight bombs on Georgian territory outside South Ossetia. The jets struck a police station in Kareli and a radar station in Gori -- hitting two cities near the Georgian capital of Tblisi -- and wounded several people, he said.

 

It was unclear whether any Russian jets had been hit by Georgian forces.

 

Georgian casualties from Thursday totaled 10 dead and 50 wounded, he said. More were killed and wounded Friday morning but the military had not yet provided a tally. At least 25 people have been killed since fighting started Thursday, according to officials from both sides.

 

“We consider that to be an act of military aggression and we call on the Russian Federation to immediately stop military aggression against Georgia,” said Mr. Lomaia, the national security adviser.

 

Heikki Talvitie, special envoy for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe chairman-in-office, said Russian attempts to arrange a meeting between Georgian and South Ossetian authorities had failed on Thursday, but would continue today. The Georgian minister was unable to reach Tskhinvali yesterday, he said.

 

“We are very worried that this will escalate even further,” he said. “It will escalate very easily to a kind of a warfare and who controls this.”

 

He said it is essential that a meeting take place as soon as possible. “Now, as far as the situation is now, we still think it can be controlled by the parties. But if it escalates, who knows.”

 

Ambassador Talvitie said Tskhinvali has been partly evacuated, but the O.S.C.E. mission of five or six people remains active.

 

 

Ah sh*t. That's bad.

 

 

How did this 'disagreement' start anyway?

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Sorry, no Russian, at least from the current conflict.

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MOSCOW — The sharpest fighting since the early 1990s in the disputed Caucasian enclave of South Ossetia threatened to draw Russia and the American-backed former Soviet republic of Georgia into direct military conflict on Friday.

 

Georgian officials said their military had fired on Russian planes and that their aircraft had bombed a convoy of Russian tanks that moved into South Ossetia, the pro-Russian enclave that has enjoyed de facto autonomy from Georgia since 2004.

 

Russian officials said they had not yet decided whether to respond militarily, and a local Russian official said the convoy was humanitarian.

 

But the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday afternoon that it would protect Russian citizens in the territory and Russian peacekeepers who came under fire in the capital of the enclave, Tskhinvali.

 

“The Georgian leadership has unleashed a dirty adventure,” the ministry said in a statement, posted on its Web site. “The blood shed in South Ossetia will remain on the conscience of these people and their entourage. We will not allow anyone to do harm to our peacekeepers and citizens of the Russian Federation.”

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

The fighting presented the most dangerous crisis in years in the Caucasus region,

a key conduit for the flow of oil from the Caspian sea to world markets and an area where violent conflict has flared along the Russia’s outskirts for centuries, most recently in Chechnya.

 

The developments raised the question of how the United States might react to a Russian attack on Georgia, an American ally whose pursuit of NATO membership has angered the Russians.

 

By midday Friday, Georgian army units were trying to seize the rebel capital, Tskhinvali, using heavy machine guns and mortars in firefights with separatist paramilitary fighters, Shota Utiashvili, an official at the Interior Ministry of Georgia, said in an interview.

 

"Now, the army will have to take the capital,” he said, citing “massive fire” aimed at Georgian troops by fighters inside the city.

 

The head of a Russian peacekeeping force in the city, Marat M. Kulakhmetov, said in a telephone interview that the city had come under “massive attack” by the Georgians and that civilians had been wounded. As he spoke, shooting could be heard in the background.

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian official, said Georgians had seen Russian forces, including “hundreds of soldiers and dozens of armored vehicles, including tanks,” move up the military highway into the Caucasus Mountains that ties the separatist enclave to Russia.

 

By morning, they had passed through a mountain tunnel into the northern portion of the enclave, he said. "They are on Georgian territory now.”

 

"We don’t know whether they are militias or regular Russian forces," he said. "As they carry heavy equipment, we think they must be regulars. We don’t know. We just know they are coming to attack us."

 

He said Georgian Su-25 ground attack airplanes had struck the convoy and that the Georgians believed they had caused casualties and destroyed Russian armored vehicles.

 

But a spokesman for Teimuraz Mamsurov, the president of the semiautonomous Russian republic of North Ossetia, which borders the disputed territory, said the Georgian planes had struck an automobile convoy shipping humanitarian aid from Vladikavkaz to South Ossetia.

 

He said he had no information about the sighting of Russian tanks.

 

The Georgian military fired on Russian fighter jets that bombed Georgian territory and strafed Georgian positions at about 11 a.m. Moscow time, Mr. Utiashvili said.

 

Georgia’s president, Mikhail Saakashvili, ordered the “total mobilization” of military reserves, said Kaha Lomaia, Georgia’s national security adviser. He said about 70,000 troops would be mobilized, though not all would be immediately called up.

 

"They will be on high alert," he said.

 

Russian leaders sent mixed signals about their response. A spokesman for President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia said the president’s security council would hold an emergency meeting shortly to decide how to respond to the Georgian incursion.

 

But Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said that Russia would retaliate.

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, he said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

Mr. Medvedev’s spokesman, Alexei Pavlov, declined in an interview to say whether Russia would respond with military force.

 

"There is a lot of information and it is very contradictory," he said. "Any word said in the wrong context could be ruinous for the peaceful and human resolution of this conflict."

 

The reported Georgian attacks were likely to be seen as a sharp provocation by Russia. But it also may have reason to tamp down the fighting to avoid chaos in a region not far from its Black Sea resort town of Sochi, where Russia will host the Winter Olympics in 2014.

 

Analysts said that Georgia could be trying to seize an opportune moment — with world leaders focused on the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this week — to reclaim the territory.

 

Russia also may be seeking to draw attention away from another breakaway Georgian region, Abkhazia, where it has been under pressure to allow a settlement between pro-Russian and pro-Georgian factions, analysts said.

 

Meanwhile, Russian citizens in South Ossetia called on Russia to intervene, “We are being killed by Georgian aggressors,” they said in a letter posted on an official Web site maintained jointly by South Ossetia and North Ossetia, an adjacent territory on Russian territory that wants to unite with the southern region.

 

“We, hiding in the basement of a house, showered by bombs, are not feeling now that we are citizens of a great country. We hear Russia has a great air force and excellent planes. Protect your citizens. You are our last hope."

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian Interior Ministry official, said that about 10 Russian jets dropped seven or eight bombs on Georgian territory outside South Ossetia. The jets struck a police station in Kareli and a radar station in Gori -- hitting two cities near the Georgian capital of Tblisi -- and wounded several people, he said.

 

It was unclear whether any Russian jets had been hit by Georgian forces.

 

Georgian casualties from Thursday totaled 10 dead and 50 wounded, he said. More were killed and wounded Friday morning but the military had not yet provided a tally. At least 25 people have been killed since fighting started Thursday, according to officials from both sides.

 

“We consider that to be an act of military aggression and we call on the Russian Federation to immediately stop military aggression against Georgia,” said Mr. Lomaia, the national security adviser.

 

Heikki Talvitie, special envoy for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe chairman-in-office, said Russian attempts to arrange a meeting between Georgian and South Ossetian authorities had failed on Thursday, but would continue today. The Georgian minister was unable to reach Tskhinvali yesterday, he said.

 

“We are very worried that this will escalate even further,” he said. “It will escalate very easily to a kind of a warfare and who controls this.”

 

He said it is essential that a meeting take place as soon as possible. “Now, as far as the situation is now, we still think it can be controlled by the parties. But if it escalates, who knows.”

 

Ambassador Talvitie said Tskhinvali has been partly evacuated, but the O.S.C.E. mission of five or six people remains active.

 

 

Ah sh*t. That's bad.

 

 

How did this 'disagreement' start anyway?

From what I can gather from this forum, and CNN, Georgia tried to use military force to repress a breakaway state in their country. Russia was angry at this and invaded Georgia. Georgia got pissed at this and shot down Russian planes. Russia got pissed at that and blew up Georgia's airport and then they sent a bunch of tanks in there to kill them.

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Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Georgian government doesn't approve human views on the real world, kid. Stop eating CNN's bullsh*t. The sooner the better.

CNN is much more objective, than the news you see in Russia, trust me on that.

You rather stop eating bullsh*t you're fed in Russia... and btw.. I've read news from various sources, including aforementioned AP.

What are you talking about. 'CNN is more objective'.

My wife is American from Arizona and our son is still studying there now. I know of what I speak. 'Trust me on that'.

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MOSCOW — The sharpest fighting since the early 1990s in the disputed Caucasian enclave of South Ossetia threatened to draw Russia and the American-backed former Soviet republic of Georgia into direct military conflict on Friday.

 

Georgian officials said their military had fired on Russian planes and that their aircraft had bombed a convoy of Russian tanks that moved into South Ossetia, the pro-Russian enclave that has enjoyed de facto autonomy from Georgia since 2004.

 

Russian officials said they had not yet decided whether to respond militarily, and a local Russian official said the convoy was humanitarian.

 

But the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday afternoon that it would protect Russian citizens in the territory and Russian peacekeepers who came under fire in the capital of the enclave, Tskhinvali.

 

“The Georgian leadership has unleashed a dirty adventure,” the ministry said in a statement, posted on its Web site. “The blood shed in South Ossetia will remain on the conscience of these people and their entourage. We will not allow anyone to do harm to our peacekeepers and citizens of the Russian Federation.”

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

The fighting presented the most dangerous crisis in years in the Caucasus region,

a key conduit for the flow of oil from the Caspian sea to world markets and an area where violent conflict has flared along the Russia’s outskirts for centuries, most recently in Chechnya.

 

The developments raised the question of how the United States might react to a Russian attack on Georgia, an American ally whose pursuit of NATO membership has angered the Russians.

 

By midday Friday, Georgian army units were trying to seize the rebel capital, Tskhinvali, using heavy machine guns and mortars in firefights with separatist paramilitary fighters, Shota Utiashvili, an official at the Interior Ministry of Georgia, said in an interview.

 

"Now, the army will have to take the capital,” he said, citing “massive fire” aimed at Georgian troops by fighters inside the city.

 

The head of a Russian peacekeeping force in the city, Marat M. Kulakhmetov, said in a telephone interview that the city had come under “massive attack” by the Georgians and that civilians had been wounded. As he spoke, shooting could be heard in the background.

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian official, said Georgians had seen Russian forces, including “hundreds of soldiers and dozens of armored vehicles, including tanks,” move up the military highway into the Caucasus Mountains that ties the separatist enclave to Russia.

 

By morning, they had passed through a mountain tunnel into the northern portion of the enclave, he said. "They are on Georgian territory now.”

 

"We don’t know whether they are militias or regular Russian forces," he said. "As they carry heavy equipment, we think they must be regulars. We don’t know. We just know they are coming to attack us."

 

He said Georgian Su-25 ground attack airplanes had struck the convoy and that the Georgians believed they had caused casualties and destroyed Russian armored vehicles.

 

But a spokesman for Teimuraz Mamsurov, the president of the semiautonomous Russian republic of North Ossetia, which borders the disputed territory, said the Georgian planes had struck an automobile convoy shipping humanitarian aid from Vladikavkaz to South Ossetia.

 

He said he had no information about the sighting of Russian tanks.

 

The Georgian military fired on Russian fighter jets that bombed Georgian territory and strafed Georgian positions at about 11 a.m. Moscow time, Mr. Utiashvili said.

 

Georgia’s president, Mikhail Saakashvili, ordered the “total mobilization” of military reserves, said Kaha Lomaia, Georgia’s national security adviser. He said about 70,000 troops would be mobilized, though not all would be immediately called up.

 

"They will be on high alert," he said.

 

Russian leaders sent mixed signals about their response. A spokesman for President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia said the president’s security council would hold an emergency meeting shortly to decide how to respond to the Georgian incursion.

 

But Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said that Russia would retaliate.

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, he said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

Mr. Medvedev’s spokesman, Alexei Pavlov, declined in an interview to say whether Russia would respond with military force.

 

"There is a lot of information and it is very contradictory," he said. "Any word said in the wrong context could be ruinous for the peaceful and human resolution of this conflict."

 

The reported Georgian attacks were likely to be seen as a sharp provocation by Russia. But it also may have reason to tamp down the fighting to avoid chaos in a region not far from its Black Sea resort town of Sochi, where Russia will host the Winter Olympics in 2014.

 

Analysts said that Georgia could be trying to seize an opportune moment — with world leaders focused on the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this week — to reclaim the territory.

 

Russia also may be seeking to draw attention away from another breakaway Georgian region, Abkhazia, where it has been under pressure to allow a settlement between pro-Russian and pro-Georgian factions, analysts said.

 

Meanwhile, Russian citizens in South Ossetia called on Russia to intervene, “We are being killed by Georgian aggressors,” they said in a letter posted on an official Web site maintained jointly by South Ossetia and North Ossetia, an adjacent territory on Russian territory that wants to unite with the southern region.

 

“We, hiding in the basement of a house, showered by bombs, are not feeling now that we are citizens of a great country. We hear Russia has a great air force and excellent planes. Protect your citizens. You are our last hope."

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian Interior Ministry official, said that about 10 Russian jets dropped seven or eight bombs on Georgian territory outside South Ossetia. The jets struck a police station in Kareli and a radar station in Gori -- hitting two cities near the Georgian capital of Tblisi -- and wounded several people, he said.

 

It was unclear whether any Russian jets had been hit by Georgian forces.

 

Georgian casualties from Thursday totaled 10 dead and 50 wounded, he said. More were killed and wounded Friday morning but the military had not yet provided a tally. At least 25 people have been killed since fighting started Thursday, according to officials from both sides.

 

“We consider that to be an act of military aggression and we call on the Russian Federation to immediately stop military aggression against Georgia,” said Mr. Lomaia, the national security adviser.

 

Heikki Talvitie, special envoy for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe chairman-in-office, said Russian attempts to arrange a meeting between Georgian and South Ossetian authorities had failed on Thursday, but would continue today. The Georgian minister was unable to reach Tskhinvali yesterday, he said.

 

“We are very worried that this will escalate even further,” he said. “It will escalate very easily to a kind of a warfare and who controls this.”

 

He said it is essential that a meeting take place as soon as possible. “Now, as far as the situation is now, we still think it can be controlled by the parties. But if it escalates, who knows.”

 

Ambassador Talvitie said Tskhinvali has been partly evacuated, but the O.S.C.E. mission of five or six people remains active.

 

 

Ah sh*t. That's bad.

 

 

How did this 'disagreement' start anyway?

From what I can gather from this forum, and CNN, Georgia tried to use military force to repress a breakaway state in their country. Russia was angry at this and invaded Georgia. Georgia got pissed at this and shot down Russian planes. Russia got pissed at that and blew up Georgia's airport and then they sent a bunch of tanks in there to kill them.

And now Georgia will probably get more pissed and send in troops.. Then what, the US?

 

This is going to turn into a war, I have a bad feeling.

 

I really hope the US doesn't join this fight though, I read a statement in one of the news reports saying that "it's likely" but I hope not, even if Georgia is US backed.

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brz59
Nazi state? What the hell are you talking about? If he doesn't approve Russian views and won't suck their dick they're automatically Nazis?

Georgian government doesn't approve human views on the real world, kid. Stop eating CNN's bullsh*t. The sooner the better.

CNN is much more objective, than the news you see in Russia, trust me on that.

You rather stop eating bullsh*t you're fed in Russia... and btw.. I've read news from various sources, including aforementioned AP.

What are you talking about. 'CNN is more objective'.

My wife is American from Arizona and our son is still studying there now. I know of what I speak. 'Trust me on that'.

Do tell me the source, where you get your daily dose of news, then.

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Can anyone explain to me in detail why is US trying to get involved?

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Hart
Can anyone explain to me in detail why is US trying to get involved?

I dont really know, but im guessing oil?

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Are there religious differences amongst these groups?  Can someone explain why they all hate each other so much?  (So sorry for my ignorance but I can't get any valuable news from worthless CNN).

Most of them are orthodox christian, the thing is that South Osetia wants to be separated while Saakashvili the President of Georgia want to keep it within Georgia's borders.

 

North and south osetians don't like each other, but they think about themselves as a one big family and try to stay together.

 

 

Can anyone explain to me in detail why is US trying to get involved?

Don't think it is trying smile.gif The only thing Bush said on the meeting with Putin in beijing is that the he wants the situation be solved in a peaceful way. Nato spokeswoman added that NATO has no intentions to get directly involved in the actions. I guess, Saakashvili is on his own now.

 

US is too clever not to start a large war for the sake of a tiny mountainy republic.

 

As long as US doesn't ask UK for our help again I feel pretty safe sigh.gif

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Georgia, Russia? Someone better get Sam Fisher on the line biggrin.gif

 

But seriously this could escalate. Wars begin like this. One country invades another, and then America supports the side they hate less and pretty soon the whole world is sunk into it. MGS is coming to life partially. At least the war economy part. This sh*t is messed up.

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Can anyone explain to me in detail why is US trying to get involved?

I don't think US wants to get involved at all ... but US can't just say nothing while Russia takes over Georgia, regardless of who is in the right. Then you have posturing from Presidential candidates (Obama condemns the Russian actions) ... in the end its a big shatty mess that they will have to fix themselves.

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Yeah true. Damn, I hope this doesn't escalate into something bigger.

 

Georgian president has a point though: ''Russia is f*cking huge dont they have enough territory?''

Not the exact quote but you get the gist tounge.gif

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