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Georgia attacks South Ossetia

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Otter

Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with. If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes. They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

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Barciur
I pray that my country sends in troops to help them - even though I know it's not gonna happen. NATO PLEASE DO SOMETHING!

If they do that its World War 3, and if you havent figured it out by now, World War III = Endgame.

Meh Poland is not as big to do the WW3.

It doesent matter, if someone joins in, more and more people start joining in, eventually its like a real life S.T.A.L.K.E.R game

Yeah you're right.

But I don't believe Georgia can resist Russian forces too long. We'll see what they do. If they decide to go on and occupy Georgia - I don't think there is any other way than declaring the war on Russia - and say good bye to the world.

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gta_player5

 

Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Exactly. The Russians still remember the Cold War and the consequences of certain military actions. They might be bold, but they're not that stupid, because that is suicide.

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TFatseas

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Russian SPA

 

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Georgian Soldiers

 

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Georgian City of Gori

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Sir Million Knives
Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with. If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes. They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

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Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

Nah, they've been annoying the western world for years.

 

And that picture of Gori is pretty damn bad, I didn't realise the Russians had hit the town that hard.

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Sir Million Knives
Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

Nah, they've been doing that for years.

You got me there.

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Otter
Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

If you honestly believe that was their intention, then you're certainly a member of the 'sky is falling' camp. They provoked, got hit back, and saw an opportunity to attack under the guise of retaliation. It was a gamble that failed.

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Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

Nah, they've been annoying the western world for years

No actually America is pissing off the rest of the world, even their own people

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Barciur

President of the Republic of Poland said in the interview for the Polish Public Television in which he said "We (Poland) are not planning on sending troops to Georgia, but anything is possible."

"We, presidents of Poland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania will make sure we do everything that's possible to help Georgia"

 

"USA is a key player in this game", he added.

 

According to the president, "Every Polish patriot should support Georgia. Today Georgia, tomorrow Ukraine and we are back to what was happening for hundreds of years. Face of the Russian Imperialism is appearing more and more clearly and sooner we realise it, the better for the world."

 

Original article: http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1804294,11,item.html, translation by Barciur (that is me)

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TFatseas

 

Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

Nah, they've been doing that for years.

Number 1) Russia is claims they want South Ossetia to be independent.

 

Number 2) Georgia is claims they support full autonomy for South Ossetia, but they don't believe for a second that Russia won't really control it.

 

This is a textbook example of where good diplomacy should be able to create a new UN observer / international Peacekeeper mission to separate the two parties - Russia and Georgia, while allowing South Ossetia true autonomy. Russia shouldn't be able to argue against this - since they claim that is the only reason their troops have been there, anyway.

 

If Russia does not support such a concept, it will be made painfully clear to the world what they are really after. The world needs to call their bluff.

Edited by TFatseas

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Breaking Bohan
Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

Does Georgia have any nuclear/chemical/biological weapons??? They used to be part of USSR - - did they keep any of that shat when USSR failed?

 

I don't think anyone wants open conflict between NATO and Russia. But if they think the west will tolerate them dipping their balls in vodka and offering them ... they should probably reconsider.

 

Maybe Finland and other nations should invade now - a preemtive strike!

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Sir Million Knives

 

Russia is only doing what she thinks she can get away with.  If proven otherwise, she'll back down, not launch nukes.  They're aggressors, not psychopaths.

Trying to piss off the whole western world seems pretty psycho to me.

Does Georgia have any nuclear/chemical/biological weapons??? They used to be part of USSR - - did they keep any of that shat when USSR failed?

 

I don't think anyone wants open conflict between NATO and Russia. But if they think the west will tolerate them dipping their balls in vodka and offering them ... they should probably reconsider.

 

Maybe Finland and other nations should invade now - a preemtive strike!

Finlands current armed forces rolleyes.gif

 

Full of gun-ho 20 year old neo-nazi men, wouldnt go too well. Glad I'm a peacekeeper so I'll be homeland security if sh*t goes down.

 

@Otter - Don't know about 'sky falling' but as sick as it may sound, this world is in need of a shakedown or ultimate destruction.

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Barciur

Maybe Finland and other nations should invade now - a preemtive strike!

Russia could take that as a EU attack...

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TFatseas

 

Does Georgia have any nuclear/chemical/biological weapons???  They used to be part of USSR - - did they keep any of that shat when USSR failed?

 

No, they sent them back to Russia.

 

 

Maybe Finland and other nations should invade now - a preemtive strike!

 

Are you really serious?

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Breaking Bohan

 

Maybe Finland and other nations should invade now - a preemtive strike!

Russia could take that as a EU attack...

Do states in the EU have the same duties and obligations as those of NATO?

 

IS the EU only an economic association or does it have military duties, etc?

 

@ TFAT: no ... not really, but it would catch those Ruskies by suprise!

CNN now reports at least 200 dead ... and there is an official state of war. Bush states that G is a sovereign nation, and that its territory must be respected.

Edited by Breaking Bohan

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Eddie280

Maybe Finland and other nations should invade now - a preemtive strike!

Russia could take that as a EU attack...

lol. It wouldn't take it as an EU attack, getting attacked by an Economic union? No they would simply invade back and then NATO is obliged to get involved and then WW3.

 

In any case that wil NEVER happen. It's ridiculous.

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Barciur

IS the EU only an economic association or does it have military duties, etc?

 

 

It does have European Rapid Reaction forces as to what I'm concerned and it is indeed BUILDING THEIR OWN EUROPEAN ARMED FORCES in order to be completely military independent from US.

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Barciur

 

Maybe Finland and other nations should invade now - a preemtive strike!

Russia could take that as a EU attack...

lol. It wouldn't take it as an EU attack, getting attacked by an Economic union? No they would simply invade back and then NATO is obliged to get involved and then WW3.

 

 

It's not an economic union only any more. Soon there will be EU Armed Forces. And why would NATO be obliged to strike back if they attacked Finland? They didn't when they attacked Georgia, how's Finland differenT/

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Battlegroups

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Eddie280

Well Finland aren't NATO members but Continued Russian aggresion would demand a meaningful NATO response. Russia can't go invading countries willy nilly.

 

But, again, it won't happen so lets drop the Finland issue. confused.gif

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Barciur

Yeah that's true. But EU does have some battlegroups and other united military stuff and as i said they are in progress of buiilding an EU Army so it's not an economic union any more.. it's becoming to be a country wow.gif

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*Clutch*

This is f*cking stupid ! The war itself already is stupid !

If the Georgia cant handel itself then what nato will involve and hurray world war 3 tounge.gif

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Eddie280

 

it's becoming to be a country wow.gif

f*ck that. If we become one huge country I'm leaveing. Europe has too much history to be mushed into one gigantic disjointed mess. The European courts piss me off enough as it is. mad.gif

 

Anyway, lets get back OT. blush.gif

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Lioshenka

Don't know if this has been posted.

 

 

RAUTERS PICTURES ARE FAKES

 

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1. On both pictures the guy is lying on the ground is different positions and different places. Does the doctor-necrophiles drag him from side to side under the bullet fire?

2. The same guy... On one pic he is all in blood and crying, on another he is in new clean jeans watching doctors.

3. That guy that was lying on the ground is not covered in dust or anything.

 

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Now, the boy covered in tomato juice. Hail for theice-cold georgian children. When they have leg covered in blood they don't cry or make faces. They stare around.

 

Oh, and the bread on the bench. Yummy.

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Europe News

Ossetia conflict between Georgia and Russia expands (3rd Roundup)

 

 

By Deutsche Presse-Agentur Aug 9, 2008, 16:03 GMT

 

The war between Russia and Georgia expanded on Saturday, with fighting spilling outside the Caucasus province of Ossetia, both sides moving reinforcements into the region and Georgian President Mikheil Saakhashvili declaring martial law in the country.

 

While the international community continued to exhort both sides to step back from the brink, the United Nations Security Council remained unable to forge a united response.

 

The fiercest battles were in the South Ossetian city of Tskhinvali, where street fighting and artillery exchanges continued throughout the day and eyewitnesses reported city blocks reduced to rubble.

 

Russian forces consisting of Spetsnaz special forces infantry, and paratrooper infantry flown in from the Russian interior had captured Tskhinvali by Saturday afternoon, Georgian officials said.

 

Aleksander Lomaia, Georgia's national security chief, in a telephone interview said Georgian forces had pulled back from the town 'unilaterally.'

 

Lomaia estimated the Russian infantry assault force at 1,500 to 2,500 troopers.

 

Counts of civilian casualties varied widely, with Georgia estimating between one and two dozen killed, and some 100 injured as of Friday evening. Eduard Kokoity, South Ossetia's leader, claimed more than 1,600 civilians had died and implied thousands more had been injured.

 

Russian army losses, primarily to a peacekeeping unit stationed in South Ossetia when intense fighting broke out, were admitted at 12 soldiers killed and 22 seriously injured, the Kremlin said.

 

Georgian military losses as of Saturday were reported at 50 dead and 'in excess of 450' injured, the Interfax news agency reported citing an unnamed Georgian army officer.

 

Russian airstrikes ranged widely across Georgia throughout the day, with dozens of sorties targeting oil pipelines, airfields, and military bases in the towns Vaziani, Gori, and Senaki, according to a Georgia government statement.

 

Gori was hit a second time in as many days. Errant Russian bombs killed at least 20 Gori residents, Georgia's national television channel reported.

 

Russian bombers also hit Georgia's only oil terminal in the Black Sea port Poti, destroying 'almost everything' and leaving the installation in flames, the Interfax news agency reported.

 

A strike of 12 jets hit the Kodori Gorge, a disputed region in Georgia's west, Lomaia said. Alekasandr Bagapsh, the leader of Abkhazia, a separatist province to Georgia's east, claimed responsibility for the attack, and said Abkhazian ground forces were attacking in the region.

 

Bagapsh's announcement marked a dramatic widening of fighting in the region, as it opened a new front of combat to the west of South Ossetia.

 

Georgia by Saturday had claimed it had shot down 10 Russian jets. Russian army spokesmen confirmed two Russian aircraft had been shot down, and said Russian forces had destroyed two Georgian aircraft. There was no independent confirmation of the Russian claim.

 

Lomoia said Georgian forces had destroyed 30 Russian tanks or self-propelled guns since the war's outbreak. Russia thus far had not announced any ground equipment losses.

 

Russia and Georgia announced halts to civilian air traffic effective Saturday. Refugees were leaving Ossetia and heading north towards the Russian border throughout the night, at times under Georgian artillery fire.

 

Russia was according to unconfirmed diplomatic reports taking a hard line on halting the fighting, threatening among others a blockade of Georgia's coast by the Russian Black Sea Fleet, and expanded air bombardment, if Georgia does not evacuate its forces from South Ossetia.

 

Warships operated by Turkey, a NATO member, reportedly were standing offshore of the Georgian port Batumi.

 

Saakashvili in a national television address accused Russia of expanding the conflict, and moving towards all-out war, by launching airstrikes against Georgian targets outside Ossetia.

 

Georgia mobilized its reserves on Thursday, and declared martial law on Saturday. Georgia would bring home an elite 2,000-man Georgian infantry brigade currently stationed in Iraq, Saakashvili said.

 

International efforts to bring a ceasefire appeared stymied, with the UN Security Council at loggerheads during an emergency meeting Friday, with the US and Russia taking effectively opposite views over the Ossetia conflict.

 

It was the second failed Security Council session on Ossetia after a first attempt Thursday night. The Security Council reportedly was planning another emergency meeting on Saturday.

 

Speaking in Beijing Saturday, US President George W Bush expressed deep 'concern' over the situation.

 

'The attacks are occurring in regions of Georgia far from the zone of conflict in South Ossetia. They mark a dangerous escalation in the crisis,' Bush said.

 

Bush called on the two sides to resolve the regional issue peacefully, adding that Georgia was a sovereign nation whose territorial integrity needed to be respected.

 

He specifically called on Russia to stop bombings and for a 'return by the parties to the status quo of August 6.'

 

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had also been in contact with a number of foreign officials to seek an end to the hostilities.

 

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier expressed concern that the conflict in South Ossetia could spread, in comments to a German newspaper published Saturday.

 

'We face the danger of a dangerous conflagration,' Steinmeier told the Sunday edition of the mass circulation Bild newspaper.

 

'Given this alarming prospect, all parties must live up to their responsibilities. The weapons must fall silent,' he said.

 

China also expressed 'serious concern' about the worsening conflict.

 

'We call on the relevant parties to keep restraint and cease fire immediately,' Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said in a statement posted on the ministry's website

 

Chinese President Hu Jintao met Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin on Saturday but state media gave no details of their talks, saying only that Hu also hosted a banquet for Putin.

 

Hu, Putin and Bush were among some 80 heads of state who watched Friday's opening of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.

 

Meanwhile the presidents of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia condemned in a joint statement the actions of Russian forces fighting in South Ossetia.

 

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are part of the republic of Georgia and 'nothing can change this,' Polish President Lech Kaczynski told journalists in Warsaw.

 

Poland has been lobbying for Georgia's entry into NATO and the EU.

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Barciur

 

Minister of Foreign Affairs of Georgia Eka Tkeshelashvili has called for help for her country that is struggling with the "Russian Invasion"

 

"We need immediate help, we have to stop Russian invasion on our country, stop the violence", said the MFA.

 

According to her, since the beginning of Russian conflict on Georgian side there are 150 dead, of which 40 are civilians.

 

Georgia is a target of intensive bombarding on all of its territory, she added.

 

 

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1804299,12,item.html - translated by Barciur (that'd be me again)

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TFatseas

 

Warships operated by Turkey, a NATO member, reportedly were standing offshore of the Georgian port Batumi.

 

That's interesting.

 

Though Turkey is kinda of a backwash of NATO.

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RockstarFan

so what are the Russian news reporting?

Any Russians here know?

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Barciur
Warships operated by Turkey, a NATO member, reportedly were standing offshore of the Georgian port Batumi.

 

That's interesting.

 

Though Turkey is kinda of a backwash of NATO.

Do they know something we don't.. mercie_blink.gif

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