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agent17

Georgia attacks South Ossetia

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Three day war, or World War Three?

 

 

 

MOSCOW — The sharpest fighting since the early 1990s in the disputed Caucasian enclave of South Ossetia threatened to draw Russia and the American-backed former Soviet republic of Georgia into direct military conflict on Friday.

 

Georgian officials said their military had fired on Russian planes and that their aircraft had bombed a convoy of Russian tanks that moved into South Ossetia, the pro-Russian enclave that has enjoyed de facto autonomy from Georgia since 2004.

 

Russian officials said they had not yet decided whether to respond militarily, and a local Russian official said the convoy was humanitarian.

 

But the Russian Defense Ministry said Friday afternoon that it would protect Russian citizens in the territory and Russian peacekeepers who came under fire in the capital of the enclave, Tskhinvali.

 

“The Georgian leadership has unleashed a dirty adventure,” the ministry said in a statement, posted on its Web site. “The blood shed in South Ossetia will remain on the conscience of these people and their entourage. We will not allow anyone to do harm to our peacekeepers and citizens of the Russian Federation.”

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

The fighting presented the most dangerous crisis in years in the Caucasus region, a key conduit for the flow of oil from the Caspian sea to world markets and an area where violent conflict has flared along the Russia’s outskirts for centuries, most recently in Chechnya.

 

The developments raised the question of how the United States might react to a Russian attack on Georgia, an American ally whose pursuit of NATO membership has angered the Russians.

 

By midday Friday, Georgian army units were trying to seize the rebel capital, Tskhinvali, using heavy machine guns and mortars in firefights with separatist paramilitary fighters, Shota Utiashvili, an official at the Interior Ministry of Georgia, said in an interview.

 

"Now, the army will have to take the capital,” he said, citing “massive fire” aimed at Georgian troops by fighters inside the city.

 

The head of a Russian peacekeeping force in the city, Marat M. Kulakhmetov, said in a telephone interview that the city had come under “massive attack” by the Georgians and that civilians had been wounded. As he spoke, shooting could be heard in the background.

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian official, said Georgians had seen Russian forces, including “hundreds of soldiers and dozens of armored vehicles, including tanks,” move up the military highway into the Caucasus Mountains that ties the separatist enclave to Russia.

 

By morning, they had passed through a mountain tunnel into the northern portion of the enclave, he said. "They are on Georgian territory now.”

 

"We don’t know whether they are militias or regular Russian forces," he said. "As they carry heavy equipment, we think they must be regulars. We don’t know. We just know they are coming to attack us."

 

He said Georgian Su-25 ground attack airplanes had struck the convoy and that the Georgians believed they had caused casualties and destroyed Russian armored vehicles.

 

But a spokesman for Teimuraz Mamsurov, the president of the semiautonomous Russian republic of North Ossetia, which borders the disputed territory, said the Georgian planes had struck an automobile convoy shipping humanitarian aid from Vladikavkaz to South Ossetia.

 

He said he had no information about the sighting of Russian tanks.

 

The Georgian military fired on Russian fighter jets that bombed Georgian territory and strafed Georgian positions at about 11 a.m. Moscow time, Mr. Utiashvili said.

 

Georgia’s president, Mikhail Saakashvili, ordered the “total mobilization” of military reserves, said Kaha Lomaia, Georgia’s national security adviser. He said about 70,000 troops would be mobilized, though not all would be immediately called up.

 

"They will be on high alert," he said.

 

Russian leaders sent mixed signals about their response. A spokesman for President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia said the president’s security council would hold an emergency meeting shortly to decide how to respond to the Georgian incursion.

 

But Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin said that Russia would retaliate.

 

Speaking in Beijing, where he traveled to attend the opening of the Olympic Games, he said Georgia’s actions "will certainly lead to retaliatory actions.”

 

Mr. Medvedev’s spokesman, Alexei Pavlov, declined in an interview to say whether Russia would respond with military force.

 

"There is a lot of information and it is very contradictory," he said. "Any word said in the wrong context could be ruinous for the peaceful and human resolution of this conflict."

 

The reported Georgian attacks were likely to be seen as a sharp provocation by Russia. But it also may have reason to tamp down the fighting to avoid chaos in a region not far from its Black Sea resort town of Sochi, where Russia will host the Winter Olympics in 2014.

 

Analysts said that Georgia could be trying to seize an opportune moment — with world leaders focused on the start of the 2008 Olympics in Beijing this week — to reclaim the territory.

 

Russia also may be seeking to draw attention away from another breakaway Georgian region, Abkhazia, where it has been under pressure to allow a settlement between pro-Russian and pro-Georgian factions, analysts said.

 

Meanwhile, Russian citizens in South Ossetia called on Russia to intervene, “We are being killed by Georgian aggressors,” they said in a letter posted on an official Web site maintained jointly by South Ossetia and North Ossetia, an adjacent territory on Russian territory that wants to unite with the southern region.

 

“We, hiding in the basement of a house, showered by bombs, are not feeling now that we are citizens of a great country. We hear Russia has a great air force and excellent planes. Protect your citizens. You are our last hope."

 

Mr. Utiashvili, the Georgian Interior Ministry official, said that about 10 Russian jets dropped seven or eight bombs on Georgian territory outside South Ossetia. The jets struck a police station in Kareli and a radar station in Gori -- hitting two cities near the Georgian capital of Tblisi -- and wounded several people, he said.

 

It was unclear whether any Russian jets had been hit by Georgian forces.

 

Georgian casualties from Thursday totaled 10 dead and 50 wounded, he said. More were killed and wounded Friday morning but the military had not yet provided a tally. At least 25 people have been killed since fighting started Thursday, according to officials from both sides.

 

“We consider that to be an act of military aggression and we call on the Russian Federation to immediately stop military aggression against Georgia,” said Mr. Lomaia, the national security adviser.

 

Heikki Talvitie, special envoy for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe chairman-in-office, said Russian attempts to arrange a meeting between Georgian and South Ossetian authorities had failed on Thursday, but would continue today. The Georgian minister was unable to reach Tskhinvali yesterday, he said.

 

“We are very worried that this will escalate even further,” he said. “It will escalate very easily to a kind of a warfare and who controls this.”

 

He said it is essential that a meeting take place as soon as possible. “Now, as far as the situation is now, we still think it can be controlled by the parties. But if it escalates, who knows.”

 

Ambassador Talvitie said Tskhinvali has been partly evacuated, but the O.S.C.E. mission of five or six people remains active.

 

 

 

 

Wow. That is a lot to read.

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Stefan.

Go Russia, I guess. confused.gif

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agent17
Go Russia, I guess. confused.gif

Indeed, Georgia's sudden attack was uncalled for, just to regain some territory. But it think it should be important to note how many troops are involved already. It escalated pretty fast.

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krashdown

what are they thinking confused.gif

 

Yeah i don't mind Russia, so go them lol.gif

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Struff Bunstridge
Go Russia, I guess. confused.gif

Indeed, Georgia's sudden attack was uncalled for, just to regain some territory. But it think it should be important to note how many troops are involved already. It escalated pretty fast.

Regain some territory? As in, get back some territory that Russia took from them? Thieving bastards.

 

Good luck to 'em, I say.

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Hayden
Please post the source.

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VonDutch

I hope Georgia wins and I heard the US and other NAVO countries will support Georgia.

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[CTD]LaBan

Gulag, anyone?

 

EDIT: Russians were trying to get whole world in their hands in the soviet times, like nazis.... And they still are.

 

And Russia is denying everything, like they are used to. turn.gif

Most of the tv channels of the world are getting information from the Russian channels that are announcing false information and lying to people, like in China. icon13.gif

Edited by [CTD]LaBan

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Vince_ThePhoenix

On the other hand, much what happen in Kosovo, if Russia condemn Grizuns internationally and screw the yankz in the UN, Russia hands will be free to punish the agressor - Gruzia by demolishing any military target in Gruzia proper.

 

S Osetia have enough resource to hold it's positions. The only way for grizuns to make a dent is to commit mass murder, what will cost them very dearly.

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brz59

Russia is the f*cking aggressor... Georgia is just trying to survive.

I don't get why the hell you're supporting Russia on that.

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Breaking Bohan

CNN is reporting that Russia invades Georgia ... not the other way arround. Why must Russia ruin happy Olympics day? Is Russia afraid that they can't compete in the gym so they roll some tanks into neighboring countries?!

 

If Georgia was part of NATO this would be a huge mess!

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DaSanAnThug

did you know that some nerdy historians have done some research and foun out that in

these 2000 years there have been only 7 years in total when there were no wars on this planet of ours.

 

humanity=wars

 

isnt there like 3 wars in africa right now? if not.. then.. well.. ive been missinformed.. and..icon14.gif

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VonDutch

Georgia is a member of the NATO, am I right?

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Warplay3r

Great, my f*cking aunt just moved to Georgia last month.

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[CTD]LaBan

uhmmm.... just wait until it keeps trying to invade the Baltic states.

 

 

Georgia is a member of the NATO, am I right?

Russia was trying to force them not to join NATO, so i guess not. confused.gif

I'm f*cking worried about that sh*t.

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Edmachine
LaBan' date='Aug 8 2008, 15:17'] uhmmm.... just wait until it keeps trying to invade the Baltic states.

 

...

Why would they do that? I see no reason.

I hope they don't, otherwise I'm f*cked!

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lt_yao

 

LaBan,Aug 8 2008, 16:17] uhmmm.... just wait until it keeps trying to invade the Baltic states.

 

 

Georgia is a member of the NATO, am I right?

Russia was trying to force them not to join NATO, so i guess not. confused.gif

I'm f*cking worried about that sh*t.

Again... f*ck no!! We had enough of them the last time!

 

Oh my here we go, WW3.

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Hayden

A shorter article:

 

Georgian military forces have fought their way into the capital of the breakaway region of South Ossetia.

 

Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili said Friday he had ordered an all-out offensive to regain control of the breakaway area.

 

Georgian tanks and troops, backed by artillery, have moved into the region and surrounded the capital Tskhinvali, where they are battling Russian-backed separatists for control of the city's center.  South Ossetian officials say 15 people were killed in the fighting.

 

Mr. Saakashvili also demanded Russia stop air attacks on Georgian cities - which Russia denies carrying out.

 

Russian President Dmitri Medvedev pledged to defend Russian citizens in South Ossetia, an area where many residents hold Russian passports.

 

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin condemned the Georgian advance and vowed to retaliate.

 

News reports from the area say Russian tanks have entered the region.

 

The White House, NATO and the European Union have called for an immediate end to the violence.

 

Russian authorities say several Russian peacekeepers where killed when Georgian artillery hit their barracks in the breakaway region.

 

Georgian authorities also say they are taking measures to stop Russian mercenaries from entering the country. 

 

The U.N. Security Council failed to reach an agreement on a Russian-drafted statement calling on Georgia and the separatists to stop fighting immediately.

 

South Ossetia declared independence from Georgia in the early 1990s, sparking fighting and the dispatch of Russian peacekeepers to the region.

 

Georgia accuses the peacekeepers of backing the separatists and has vowed to bring South Ossetia back under central government control. 

Source

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Hart
LaBan,Aug 8 2008, 16:17] uhmmm.... just wait until it keeps trying to invade the Baltic states.

 

 

Georgia is a member of the NATO, am I right?

Russia was trying to force them not to join NATO, so i guess not. confused.gif

I'm f*cking worried about that sh*t.

Again... f*ck no!! We had enough of them the last time!

 

Oh my here we go, WW3.

Know your facts fool before you post! No WW3 is going to start. Leave them be.

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Breaking Bohan

Well, despite all this mess, the NYSE opens in 5 minutes and oil is down nearly 2 dollars as well as natural gas and gold is off nearly 20 dollars. Does Georgia have much oil? It seems like the prices would go very high ...

 

Apparently it's taking a toll on the Russian markets ...

 

Does anyone here live in Russia or Georgia?? What the hells the deal?

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Svip

To sum up.

 

Georgia tries to regain an autonomous territory within their country. With force.

 

Russia does not approve and attacks Georgia.

 

War is upon us.

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Bartleby

The South will rise again!

 

It's been a long time coming.

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Hayden

A shorter article:

 

 

To sum up.

 

Georgia tries to regain an autonomous territory within their country.  With force.

 

Russia does not approve and attacks Georgia.

 

War is upon us.

Source

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[CTD]LaBan

 

To sum up.

 

Georgia tries to regain an autonomous territory within their country.  With force.

 

Russia does not approve and attacks Georgia.

 

War is upon us.

Do you really think that Russia isn't trying to get former USSR states back?

Now they have the chance.

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brz59

 

LaBan,Aug 8 2008, 16:41]
To sum up.

 

Georgia tries to regain an autonomous territory within their country.  With force.

 

Russia does not approve and attacks Georgia.

 

War is upon us.

Do you really think that Russia isn't trying to get former USSR states back?

Now they have the chance.

If they'd try to do that, they'd have the whole NATO on their asses, I doubt they'd dare to.

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[CTD]LaBan
LaBan,Aug 8 2008, 16:41]
To sum up.

 

Georgia tries to regain an autonomous territory within their country.  With force.

 

Russia does not approve and attacks Georgia.

 

War is upon us.

Do you really think that Russia isn't trying to get former USSR states back?

Now they have the chance.

If they'd try to do that, they'd have the whole NATO on their asses, I doubt they'd dare to.

Yup, you're right.

 

But it seems like with any other war conflicts that West isn't trying to do anything about that because of the fear over the new cold war.

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Breaking Bohan

Does this mean that NATO's "missile shield" really isn't pointless and antagonizing to the Russians?

 

PS. I don't think the cold war ever really stopped ... it just became a bit tepid for awhile.

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Vince_ThePhoenix

Russia governement is still considering the proper actions in a cabinet meeting, and some numbnuts arready draw conclusions.

 

Russia considers measures to stop...

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Breaking Bohan

Russia refuses to comment on their actions at this time ... but Russia provides humanitarian assistance to refugees from Georgia ... so that's nice of them, eh?

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D0c

Are georgians crazy or what? Do they know how much danger they're putting their bloody nation and its people in? Russia has a massive army (navy, land and air) and bloody nukes. What idiots!

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