Jason's Track Build Up

[Dunpeal]

I'm currently stuck at deciding what car I want too buy as a Drift/Track car...

 

Right now I'm stuck between...

S15

Supra

R32 GT-R (I have the dosh for the RWD conversion but won't have much for anything after that)

AE86 (If I go with AE86 I'll end up buying two lol. One for track and one for my daily driver)

 

One of the good things about living on an army base is someone has one of these cars within a stones throw, so the only one I haven't been able to drive the S15.

[Lurch]

Why would you convert a GT-R to 2wd when you could just buy a (cheaper) 2wd R32?

[Dunpeal]

Cos I'm a retard who likes nice things. I could get a GTS-t or whatever, but then it wouldn't be a GT-R. I have a stupid mentality like that.

[dog_day_sunrise]

I'm currently stuck at deciding what car I want too buy as a Drift/Track car...

 

Right now I'm stuck between...

S15

Supra

R32 GT-R (I have the dosh for the RWD conversion but won't have much for anything after that)

AE86 (If I go with AE86 I'll end up buying two lol. One for track and one for my daily driver)

 

One of the good things about living on an army base is someone has one of these cars within a stones throw, so the only one I haven't been able to drive the S15.

AE86 are mentally expensive for what is, in standard form, a rather underpowered car. They're cheap in Japan only because there are so many of them, as far as I can see across the rest of the world their as rare as rocking horse poo.

 

Lots of people here in Europe are having plenty of luck with BMW drift cars. A well set up M3 will sit right on the tail of a tweaked S15/GTST/Supra regardless of how much angle it's putting in the corners and with a ropey non-Evo 3.0 costing under £2500, there's no excuse not to go nuts!

[Dunpeal]

The average AE86 I can find in AUS is around 15k+ with a stupid amount of kilometres on the clock and a whole bunch of backyard mods.

 

Average cost of a stock standard AE86 with 100000km's on the dial is around 10-12k fully imported and ready to go bar registration.

On top of that I know a guy who works for an importer in Perth, Western Australia, who says he can source me some quality cars in Japan if I give him the models etc, for a cheaper finders fee by a substantial amount. So I'm definitely looking at importing which ever car I decide to get.

[MrcTOtheJ]

I say get a supra I've seen people looking at 350-400hp with just some tweeks to the stock config and maybe an ECU reflash, also don't blow the mony on GT-R just to convert it to RWD it would be a waste of time and money just get a RWD Skyline and put GT-R badges and an RB-26DETT in it and ta-da a drift ready GT-R.

Also DDS is right about BMW drift cars they do real well and are even useing them in Japan and here in the states as well, and give most other cars a run for there money.

[dog_day_sunrise]

I say get a supra I've seen people looking at 350-400hp with just some tweeks to the stock config and maybe an ECU reflash, also don't blow the mony on GT-R just to convert it to RWD it would be a waste of time and money just get a RWD Skyline and put GT-R badges and an RB-26DETT in it and ta-da a drift ready GT-R.

Also DDS is right about BMW drift cars they do real well and are even useing them in Japan and here in the states as well, and give most other cars a run for there money.

I see the classic appeal in the Supra, but anyone whose ever tried to get a car sideways and hold it will tell you that chassis and drivetrain setups are far more important than brute power.

The Supra is great for making big power easily (that's why there's so many dyno queens) but the chassis takes a fair bit of tweaking to get a good setup- and that can be a hell of a lot more expensive than an engine build. A 400bhp Supra would probably just require a larger FMIC, remap, stiffer wastegate springs and a decent turbo-back exhaust- but for a properly responsive chassis you'd be looking at some reasoanbly expensive coilovers, adjustable top mounts or camber plates, strut braces, a limited slip read diff, beefed up brakes...Big expense as you'd have to fight the relatively nose-heavy ballance of the car (thanks to the twin turbo motor plus intercooler and ancilleries hanging over the front wheels).

 

I met an Irish bloke at the 'ring who had a burnt orange, stripped out E36 M3 Evo covered in Driftworks stickers, and went out for a ride with him. With a trick Wavetrak (I think) rear preloaded LSD, a grands worth of 2-way adjustable KW Clubsports, some home-brewed camber plates and E46 M3 CSL brakes it was brutally fast on the circuit despite being down on power. Having chatted to the owner he thought it was far better to drift in than any of the big-power RX7's and S14's he was running before despite the engine being relatively stock.

 

 

 

 

[-slash]

just get a RWD Skyline and put GT-R badges and an RB-26DETT in it and ta-da a drift ready GT-R.

 

Anyone who does that to a normal Skyline should be shot on my opinion. Such a f*cking wanker thing to do, even if it has an RB26 conversion.

 

Out of those choices provided, Supra is the least ideal, but dog day covered that.

Converting a GTR to RWD is not a good idea when you can get a GTS-T, and there are nice ones out there, with the bigger engines in them.

AE86s are over priced underpowered rust buckets. Need to spend like $30,000 on them to make them half decent.

S15s are a more expensive and better looking alternative to the S14, as far as beginner drift cars go an S14 would be a better start, cos you'll crash into stuff eventually.

[Drunk Russian 9]

also don't blow the mony on GT-R just to convert it to RWD it would be a waste of time and money

What??? All you need to do is remove the front axles and your set. No money, and hardly any time. Lots of people have done it already.

 

If it was legal here, I'd get myself a R33 GTR. Meh, I'll keep dreamin. Anyways I decided to start saving for the FT 86, shouldn't be too bad of a decision, considering it'll be brand new and all for $25k with the subie boxer turbo'ed.

[-slash]

also don't blow the mony on GT-R just to convert it to RWD it would be a waste of time and money

What??? All you need to do is remove the front axles and your set. No money, and hardly any time. Lots of people have done it already.

 

 

I don't think that's his point, you'd pay more money in the first place for the GTR.

 

Over here at least a nice streetable GTR is in the region of $20,000. At the same time, an equally good condition GTS-T can be picked up with an RB25DET conversion for $8000. It makes more sense.

[dog_day_sunrise]

also don't blow the mony on GT-R just to convert it to RWD it would be a waste of time and money

What??? All you need to do is remove the front axles and your set. No money, and hardly any time. Lots of people have done it already.

 

If it was legal here, I'd get myself a R33 GTR. Meh, I'll keep dreamin. Anyways I decided to start saving for the FT 86, shouldn't be too bad of a decision, considering it'll be brand new and all for $25k with the subie boxer turbo'ed.

I'm not sure your right there. Shirly the complicated electronically controlled AWD system will throw a hissy-fit if the entire front axel, complete with all its yaw and G sensors, acceleromiters and the like just vanishes?

[Drunk Russian 9]

also don't blow the mony on GT-R just to convert it to RWD it would be a waste of time and money

What??? All you need to do is remove the front axles and your set. No money, and hardly any time. Lots of people have done it already.

 

If it was legal here, I'd get myself a R33 GTR. Meh, I'll keep dreamin. Anyways I decided to start saving for the FT 86, shouldn't be too bad of a decision, considering it'll be brand new and all for $25k with the subie boxer turbo'ed.

I'm not sure your right there. Shirly the complicated electronically controlled AWD system will throw a hissy-fit if the entire front axel, complete with all its yaw and G sensors, acceleromiters and the like just vanishes?

 

 

"R33 has to have the tailshaft taken and the fuse

R32 can just have the fuse taken out pity its not the same with the 33"

[dog_day_sunrise]

 

also don't blow the mony on GT-R just to convert it to RWD it would be a waste of time and money

What??? All you need to do is remove the front axles and your set. No money, and hardly any time. Lots of people have done it already.

 

If it was legal here, I'd get myself a R33 GTR. Meh, I'll keep dreamin. Anyways I decided to start saving for the FT 86, shouldn't be too bad of a decision, considering it'll be brand new and all for $25k with the subie boxer turbo'ed.

I'm not sure your right there. Shirly the complicated electronically controlled AWD system will throw a hissy-fit if the entire front axel, complete with all its yaw and G sensors, acceleromiters and the like just vanishes?

 

 

"R33 has to have the tailshaft taken and the fuse

R32 can just have the fuse taken out pity its not the same with the 33"

Quoted from the Skyline forums

 

 

the instructions that came with my torque split controller specified that it should not be switched to 2 wheel drive when fitted to an R33 gtr because unlike the R32 gtr there is an amount of preload on the clutch pack in the transfer box that will always send some torque to the front wheels, this should'nt be a problem whilst driving, but an R33 gtr shoud'nt be run on a two wheel dyno or rolling road with the fuse pulled or a torque controller switched to 2 wheel drive as it will destroy the clutch pack.

 

In order to convert an R33 GTR to RWD and maintain a resonable drivetrain life you'd be looking at a pretty intensive rebuild of the entire drivetrain system from the centre diff/transfer box back.

 

 

 

Edited to add-

 

Though Tench mentions that it should be okay on the road, I think that that would only be the case if the car was never subject to a situation in which uneven load was placed on the clutch pack in the transfer box- by not having the front axels connected to the clutch pack its likely to put undue stress on those clutches and wreck the transfer box. Hence why all of the devices for converting GTR's to RWD still place a 5% torque bias on the front wheels, in order not to trash the box.

Edited April 2, 2010 by dog_day_sunrise

[Drunk Russian 9]

So an R32 can, infact, be easily converted to RWD by taking out the 4WD fuse. Because we are looking at the R32, not the R33.

 

edit: they even make switches for 4WD to RWD, as seen here. That's pretty awesome.

Edited April 2, 2010 by Drunk Russian 9

[dog_day_sunrise]

So an R32 can, infact, be easily converted to RWD by taking out the 4WD fuse. Because we are looking at the R32, not the R33.

 

edit: they even make switches for 4WD to RWD, as seen here. That's pretty awesome.

I'm not denying that, it's only much later versions of the GTR that came stuffed full of fancy gizmos. As you said, it's just a fuse to disconnect the FWD segment but why would you want to? If a car is designed to be AWD, it's going to perform far better as an AWD as its suspension and weight distribution factor in the AWD system.

[Lurch]

 

So an R32 can, infact, be easily converted to RWD by taking out the 4WD fuse. Because we are looking at the R32, not the R33.

 

edit: they even make switches for 4WD to RWD, as seen here. That's pretty awesome.

I'm not denying that, it's only much later versions of the GTR that came stuffed full of fancy gizmos. As you said, it's just a fuse to disconnect the FWD segment but why would you want to? If a car is designed to be AWD, it's going to perform far better as an AWD as its suspension and weight distribution factor in the AWD system.

Exactly. Which brings us back to the fact that if you want a 2wd Skyline, just buy a goddamn cheaper GTS-t that's....you know, made to be a RWD car.

[-slash]

So an R32 can, infact, be easily converted to RWD by taking out the 4WD fuse. Because we are looking at the R32, not the R33.

 

edit: they even make switches for 4WD to RWD, as seen here. That's pretty awesome.

I'm not denying that, it's only much later versions of the GTR that came stuffed full of fancy gizmos. As you said, it's just a fuse to disconnect the FWD segment but why would you want to? If a car is designed to be AWD, it's going to perform far better as an AWD as its suspension and weight distribution factor in the AWD system.

Exactly. Which brings us back to the fact that if you want a 2wd Skyline, just buy a goddamn cheaper GTS-t that's....you know, made to be a RWD car.

..And much cheaper than buying and ruining everything good about a GTR.

[MrcTOtheJ]

 

I don't think that's his point, you'd pay more money in the first place for the GTR

 

What -slash said is what I meant. And also what DDS said is partialy right R32's system was less complicated thatn the R33 and R34. Any way if you want a drifting Skyline get a GTS-t, ar Gt25t with the RB25 which is vertualy the same as a RB26, same block diffrent Heads and such.

[dog_day_sunrise]

 

I don't think that's his point, you'd pay more money in the first place for the GTR

 

What -slash said is what I meant. And also what DDS said is partialy right R32's system was less complicated thatn the R33 and R34. Any way if you want a drifting Skyline get a GTS-t, ar Gt25t with the RB25 which is vertualy the same as a RB26, same block diffrent Heads and such.

Hence why almost no-one drifts the GT-R, they're all GTST's with GTR bodywork and/or engines.