Lurch Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 (edited) I waas under the impression that this topic was about a buildup of a badass silvia and not running chums to parties, smoking puntos, and how much the sh*tty dubs of a lincoln cost... Edited July 20, 2009 by Lurch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretch. Posted July 20, 2009 Share Posted July 20, 2009 Laydeez Laydeez, Calmez vouz silverplates. 1.8 Diesel is where it's at in the uk, leaves a fair few cars standing when I bury my foot. And I get the feeling of boost, can't beat it. But then again I did start out paying 3k insurance on a 1.3 fiesta worth 1800... Now I pay nearly half that for my car 40 - 60 mpg all day long baybay. On that vein, how much is gas in aus? what sorta mileage you getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I would say pocket money compared to the $1200 for EACH rim on my old Lincoln. Ehh, I don't know why you would put that kind of money into chrome rims. Just seems useless to me. Maybe I didn't and it's the price of the stock rims? Lol. Sounds like you got ripped off. Sry for the assumption I guess . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-slash Posted July 21, 2009 Author Share Posted July 21, 2009 On that vein, how much is gas in aus? what sorta mileage you getting? Lol didn't think my thread would start an economy argument/question time, but I get around 500kms (310 Miles) out of a tank city driving. Which is from a 55L tank. (14.5 Gallon) So I guess if I do the maths that means I'm using 11L per 100km or in the old system, 21.3 MPG That's pretty much the worst economy I get (Not including track use where I spend all day bashing limiter) and it's been as high as 650km on a tank when it's all highway driving. AS for price I'm paying around $1.45AU a litre for 98 Octane BP Ultimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretch. Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 holy crap that's cheap We pay a little over 2 aussie bucks for standard 95 ron per litre for petrol... Goddamn government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 Jesus, you pay pretty much twice as much as I do for gas! Didn't think it'd still be that bad... At least you get some decent performance out of that car. I get 15 city. Couldn't tell you my highway mileage as I never use the highway for more than a couple minutes a few times a week. This weekend I racked up 350 miles, most of which were highway. This is I was going 80-100mph the whole way, so I still only avaeraged 15mpg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) Rounded off, Jason is paying nearly $4.47USD/gallon compared to premium here at around $2.50/gallon. And here I was thinking things in Aus. were fairly cheap. I guess it's cheap compared to the $6+USD/gallon Ali is paying over in the UK. @Andy - GM V6's are pigs. I see big 2 ton Caprices and Fleetwoods getting 18 city / 25 highway with a crummy TBI LO5 350. Might just be your 3.73 rear end compared to their 3.04 though. Still, it appears that fuel economy should not be one of your reasons for sticking with a V6. Edited July 21, 2009 by Lurch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretch. Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 64mpg at 65mph, 55 at 80 uk gallons mind, The reason for getting a diseasel XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*MURDOC* Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 64mpg at 65mph, 55 at 80 uk gallons mind, The reason for getting a diseasel XD In the ruck I get about 15-16 at 90-100mph, and besides that I get around 20. Again, Diesel, and also almost 6k lbs. Now lets talk about something else that has to do with the topic more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted July 21, 2009 Share Posted July 21, 2009 I have done a fair bit of driving over the past 3 days, i put 60 quid in my car and i have travelled 415 miles since i filled it up, its still not on the red. Quite cool really considering my average speed was around 80+ whilst traveling to and from coventry and i had it cruising at 110mph for about 5 minutes but then there was a pileup on the M6 so we ended up snailing at 5mph for about half an hour. Im too tired to work out how many mpg i was getting but i assume its not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 (edited) So, Jason, how bout you update this and tell us all about how you go through 1 SR20DET per drfit day now. Eats motors like a fat dude eats cheesecake. Edited September 27, 2009 by Lurch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunk Russian 9 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 One question; I'm (hopefully) getting an IS300 soon, and I plan to try powersliding in the rain(off legal roads of course). All the youtube vids got me convinced that it's easy as pie, and it's similarities with drifting will keep my need of sliding at bay. Have you ever tried it? Is it difficult, dangerous etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cran. Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Is it a slushbox? Answer: good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-slash Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 One question; I'm (hopefully) getting an IS300 soon, and I plan to try powersliding in the rain(off legal roads of course). All the youtube vids got me convinced that it's easy as pie, and it's similarities with drifting will keep my need of sliding at bay. Have you ever tried it? Is it difficult, dangerous etc.? I'm not sure exactly what you mean. Do you mean just doing straightline skids in the wet, or pulling out of intersections and doing skids? Or stomping the gas as you're halfway around corners? Either way, people on youtube make it look easy because they've done it a lot. It's incredibly dangerous, and it's difficult to be good at it, but very easy to lose control and wrap your car around something. Really need to be a good driver who knows his car before you can do sh*t like that. I've been driving my car since I was on my Ls and been drifting regularly for about a year and as you'll see in the video, I haven't gotten that good at what I'm doing yet. Plus I've also got around $4000 worth of suspension work and a wheel alignment I've been experimenting with for a good year and bit which I'm finally happy with. In the wet you need to wipe off heaps of speed from what you think is acceptable. It's very unpredictable and very easy to just slide clean off the track/road. Fun to do in beaters which cost you $500 though, which is why I had a Corona with choppies and a welded diff. Anyway... as Lurch has said, I'm about to go into my third drift day with the car's 3rd engine in 3 months. The last two drift days I've had two different engines too. Haha, for updates, all I have is some footage of my crappiest lap of the last drift day I was at. Was drifting on new tyres for the first time instead of crappy second handers so grip was at a high level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Jesus christ, 3 in three months?!?! Put an LS1 in there, it'll last forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan. Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Nice work there buddy. That looks like it's at Oran Park, am I right? Also, how much approximately has this set you back? About a few thousand, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-slash Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 That is at Baskerville, I'm in Tassie. All up, well I've never added it up cos I don't want to. If I was to outline some very rough expenses not taking into account 5 engines, 4 clutches, and tyres and repairs, etc: S13 - $5500 SR20DET - $2500 Coilovers - $1500 Suspension Arms - $800 Swaybars - $500 Diff - $1200 Power upgrades - $5000 Bodykit - $1000 Paint - $1000 Seat - $900 etc etc Goes over $20000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I'm telling you man, if LS1s are even close to as available as they are over here, over there swap one in. You can get one around here for $2K easy with decent mileage (~50K). You can build it easily, a cam, headers, bigger/higher flowing intake. That should take it to a good 400hp. And it's as light as an SR20DET. And it won't blow up because it makes what the SR20 pushes for at stock power. I wouldn't trust an SR20DET in a drift car, too fussy. This way, let's say you spend even $2K on the engine, then it costs you another $1000 to set it up nicely, you've only spent $3K on an engine that won't blow every race. These things are used to pushing around cars that weigh 1,000lbs+ more, all day and night. They can handle drifting abuse. Just a suggestion, but I think it'd be the way to go, especially if you're burning up engines as fast as your tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) You can get it cheaper than 2k (unless you're referring to AUS). I've seen them go as low as $200. I'd say around $1,200 USD is the going price here. And mileage is irrelevant if it's getting a full rebuild anyway. What you have to take into consideration is that you'd most likely need a T56 (doubt any silvia tranny is going to last very long) out of a Camaro to go with it. And that requires lots of tranny tunnel cutting and a new driveshaft made. And motor mounts need to be made and a new bigger rad to cool the thing. Just little bits of work like that are why people stay with what's easier. Edited September 29, 2009 by Lurch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I meant $2k USD, but I meant that'd be the max you'd need to spend. That'd most likely get you one with <50K miles and the T56. And you don't need to do much work to get them in an s13 or s14. The most I believe is modify the crossmember, fab some motor mounts and trans mounts, bash in the tranny wall to give it a little more room and the shifter lines up with in 2 inches of stock. Then you'd probably need a drive shaft but that can't be too costly , especially when you consider how much has been put in the car already, even with the cost of everything else. And I'm pretty sure the stock rear on a 240sx is good for 400-425hp, so a stock ls1 wouldn't even chew it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) Jason's Silvia is already pushing around 400 hp or so so I doubt a stock LS1 would really suffice. Although I'm not sure where the point of diminishing returns is when comes to hp on drift cars. I'm guessing 550 or so is the max you'd ever really want or need. Not hard to get out of an LS1 though but will be more than a few grand. Then I guess you get to the point where you worry about rear ends (bigger diff out of a 300 or 350Z maybe). Edited September 29, 2009 by Lurch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dog_day_sunrise Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 If your popping engines, you need better internals, better cooling or better fueling. LS1 transplant- might be cheap to buy the engine, but going to be a nightmare to fit, to wire up and to program. You'd either have to go stand-alone management or somehow try and convince the Nissan electrics to play ball with the Yank ECU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 It'd be fairly easy and cheap to get an LS1 to 400hp. $300 or so for a cam $500 on exhaust $200 on intake That right there could bump it up to 400hp for sure, depending on cam size of course. And where it'd lack in hp it'd make up in tq compared to the Sr20. As for fitting, they fit in just fine. There are tons of documented swaps online. They're very straight forward, that's a big reason it's so popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurch Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) It'd be fairly easy and cheap to get an LS1 to 400hp.$300 or so for a cam $500 on exhaust $200 on intake That right there could bump it up to 400hp for sure, depending on cam size of course. And where it'd lack in hp it'd make up in tq compared to the Sr20. As for fitting, they fit in just fine. There are tons of documented swaps online. They're very straight forward, that's a big reason it's so popular. Anyone building an LS1 to take constant high revving abuse is going to do more than just that though. Heads, boring it, bling pistons and connecting rods, maybe even a stroker crank, etc. And big LS1 cams can be as much as $750 (most seem to to be in the $400-500 range). It adds up in a heartbeat. I doubt any serious drifter is just putting a cam in an LS1 and running it. Building an engine to stand up to continuous abuse cost money. So I'd say it'd still cost about the same as the total amount he spent on the SR20DET (7500 AUD) for a mighty drift-worthy LS1 but with 525 hp or so instead of 400. Edited September 30, 2009 by Lurch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrcTOtheJ Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Don't go with an LS1 I would go with an RB25DE the RB26's under rateed brother because... 1.As far as I heard they are reliable and last long. 2.After maket support is huge 3.it is a simpeler swap than an LS1 swap. Well that is my opinion on this but in the long run it is your choice. Good luck and it looks good so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. O Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 When I had my 240 I popped the stoker and let it sit for about two months then got the money to afford a redtop SR20. Made my own exhaust and had an ARC intercooler kit that got stolen . Then replaced it with an ebay 24 12 3 intercooler. that ran real well had no problems with it. But, I also agree with pico, The LS1 is one of the most well balanced motors ever built, it is also a very light motor. You actually see it in a lot of imports now. Most import motors had an iron block the LS1 is all aluminum so it usually weighs the same or less than the stock motor. LS1 RX7 LS1 miata LS1 240 LS1 Skyline Anywho, everything sounds damn sexy, I miss my 240 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Don't go with an LS1 I would go with an RB25DE the RB26's under rateed brother because... 1.As far as I heard they are reliable and last long. 2.After maket support is huge 3.it is a simpeler swap than an LS1 swap. Well that is my opinion on this but in the long run it is your choice. Good luck and it looks good so far. The RB25 is quite heavy and very expensive. And I believe it's a bitch to squeeze in a 240sx, it's very long. It's been done quite a bit, but an LS1 makes more sense especially for what he wants to do. Drift. Lightweight, great power... @Mr. O, exactly. Look how they manage to even stuff the LS1 in a Miata. I've seen some videos of LS1 Miatas... god those have to be beasts. It's funny we're going so indepth on swap suggestions, slash hasn't even posted since it's been going on. I doubt he's even considering it. But really, if you keep blowing your little 2.0's then an LS1 would make some sense assuming they're as cheap over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-slash Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 Yeah, I know everything there is to know about the engine conversions. RB25DET is my main interest, to stick with Nissan. LS1 is like a dream thing. They're just not as cheap and readily available here as they are in America. They put them in Commodores from 2000-2006 so there's a few but they're mostly auto. Bout $3000 is the cheapest LS1 I've seen, then there's wiring and mounting and fixing up a transmission. Cos it doesn't happen as much as it does in the states there's no specialists over here or anyone who makes plug and play wiring kits. There's not much I need to say other than that cos you've managed to cover the pros and cons amongst yourselves. To be exact I've only stuffed two engines. The first one had some foreign object go through the crank, and the second one was a tired engine when I bought it. New engine has perfect compression. I'll be building an engine with complete forged internals in the off-season, then it won't cause me any trouble at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pico Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Damn, sucks they're not as available over there. The cost alone negates the positives then. But an RB25 sure isn't cheaper, is it? I'd say it's on par. But it may be an easier job since I believe you guys got plenty of Skylines there, right? Sounds good about the new engine. Hope it works out good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrcTOtheJ Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Wow I've seen SR20 miatas but never ever an LS1 miata that's over kill. Or you could go small...An RB20DE the littelist of the RB inline six bunch and as far as I know the Cheapest. Sorry if I seem fanboy-ish by only suggisting Nissan motors and my sig dose not help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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