Mods

[semie]

 

It's an 18+ rated game. They can put whatever the f*ck they want on it.

 

If stupid ignorant parents who didn't give a shti about their kids bought them the game at the age of 11 I bet GTA wouldn't be in the limelight as much.

 

 

 

 

NEVER have more truer words been spoken or typed in this case...

 

Parents need to take responsability for there own actions and adhere to the ratings of games, I am a parent of three children aged 6, 9 and 13 and it would be completely irresponsible of me to let them play or even watch myself play any such game that depicts realistic style violence, there are hundreds of games for children to play that dont involve the style of gameplay that GTA games are renowned for.

 

We as parents need to stop blaming society or games companies or the Govt for all the so called issues that we face everyday but teach our children the relevant skills/behaviours that will help them develope into self thinking, honest and empathasing human beings.

 

Common sense and alot of love go along way.

 

Your kids = your responsability...

 

cheers

 

Se]v[!e

[looloolooigotsomeapples]

It's an 18+ rated game. They can put whatever the f*ck they want on it.

 

If stupid ignorant parents who didn't give a shti about their kids bought them the game at the age of 11 I bet GTA wouldn't be in the limelight as much.

 

 

 

 

NEVER have more truer words been spoken or typed in this case...

 

Parents need to take responsability for there own actions and adhere to the ratings of games, I am a parent of three children aged 6, 9 and 13 and it would be completely irresponsible of me to let them play or even watch myself play any such game that depicts realistic style violence, there are hundreds of games for children to play that dont involve the style of gameplay that GTA games are renowned for.

 

We as parents need to stop blaming society or games companies or the Govt for all the so called issues that we face everyday but teach our children the relevant skills/behaviours that will help them develope into self thinking, honest and empathasing human beings.

 

Common sense and alot of love go along way.

 

Your kids = your responsability...

 

cheers

 

Se]v[!e

That depends greatly on the kid.

If the kid is very mature, can establish the boundary between fiction and reality, and isn't a squeamish person, then I think it is fine to get those kind of games for your kids.

There are definitely 12 year olds that are extremely mature and don't seem there age.

[Knyte]

 

There are definitely 12 year olds that are extremely mature and don't seem there age.

 

I hope you know, since you posted that, Chris Hansen has been watching your house.

 

Since they already have the Free mode multiplayer, I want an MP RPG mod, like the ones for SA-MP that let you level up and live in the city however you want.

[noid449]

is that the dude from nbc usa or something

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nm most of the 12 year olds round here know how to drive anyway :|

[texan1985]

is that the dude from nbc usa or something

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nm most of the 12 year olds round here know how to drive anyway :|

chris hansen

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur4aqkyCzPA

[<Dageron>]

Hm, as I know there is 2 programms now in developing stage for GTAIV modding. This is SparkIV(by aru) and OpenIV (by GooD-NTS). About OpenIV there is spesial topic in Tools thread, but who knows anything about aru`s SparkIV?

[MVP]

There should be a Back to the future MOD!

[looloolooigotsomeapples]

There are definitely 12 year olds that are extremely mature and don't seem there age.

 

I hope you know, since you posted that, Chris Hansen has been watching your house.

 

Since they already have the Free mode multiplayer, I want an MP RPG mod, like the ones for SA-MP that let you level up and live in the city however you want.

Ha, I have to hand that to you.

Why don't ya take a seat, right over there?

[MVP]

BACK TO THE FUTURE MOD !!

[Abel.]

Crysis and Half Life skins. Please.

[mkey82]

Crysis and Half Life skins. Please.

What? Psycho in LC? With that freeze gun? All that dead civilians, are you insane?

[SlingShotUK]

I'm really excited by the idea of GTA 4 modding, but I have to admit that at the moment I have a bad feeling that modding will just not be possible - or incredibly difficult to achieve.

 

I think that after HotCoffee, Rockstar are so paranoid about people building in mods which could cause bad press that they will have secured GTA 4 like crazy. Look at the V2.0 patch to SA. That pretty much killed modding without reverting back to 1.0..

 

We will have to see (and I don't know what has been found by analysing the Xbox files) but it wouldn't surprise me if all of the game files are encrypted and obfusticated in some way.

 

It's just the more I think about the development cycle of this game, the more it seems unlikely that they would have been building the game without considering people modding it... When this was raised I can't see them saying; "Ah don't worry about that, it'll be ok if people mod it".. More like; "Make sure it's next to impossible to mod the game - we can't risk another HotCoffee'.

 

Really hope this isn't the case though.. When I first got GTA 4 on the PS3, the thought of a PC version which could be modded was immence..

I kept driving around the city thinking if they could make a roleplaying mod for this game like we had for San Andreas it would be mind blowing...

 

If it's possible this could become the greatest moddable game ever... I'll even look into modding it..

 

[mkey82]

We will have to see (and I don't know what has been found by analysing the Xbox files) but it wouldn't surprise me if all of the game files are encrypted and obfusticated in some way.

AFAIK the x360 version has already been modded. There is some vid on youtube, I think.

 

The only and proper way to stop hotcoffee (it's a 100% effective and proven method) is for them to get off their asses and remove any forbidden content.

[amisnaru]

It would be immensely stupid from R* to prevent modding because "we dont want another Hot Coffee."

 

The only reason Hot Coffee was controversial is because it was put in the game by the developers THEMSELVES!

 

The rating committees and whatnot can't complain about a similar user-created mod because it's not technically part of the product.

[SlingShotUK]

It would be immensely stupid from R* to prevent modding because "we dont want another Hot Coffee."

 

The only reason Hot Coffee was controversial is because it was put in the game by the developers THEMSELVES!

 

The rating committees and whatnot can't complain about a similar user-created mod because it's not technically part of the product.

I do know what your saying about HC, but I would still imagine Rockstar to be very twitchy about someone putting content into the game which was highly controversial. Can you imagine the press reaction if a sex game or bad taste WTC mod was released..

 

Even if they didn't put content in themselves, they would still get slammed for releasing a game that could be easily modded.

 

Therefore I don't think it's that unlikely that Rockstar will have locked the game up as tightly as possible to avoid this happening..

 

Fingers crossed they haven't though and it's as easy to mod as SA...

 

This has the potential to be the greatest mod game of all time.. I just have a nasty feeling in my gut that it just won't be possible..

[Smiler-Online]

Back On Topic:

 

I think that the first mod that I would like to see would be an import of the Transfender code from GTASA

 

I just hope that in the GTAIV engine, you can mod the Main.scm(or equivalent) without it killing your savegames...

[High]

Back to HC topic:

 

 

Even if they didn't put content in themselves, they would still get slammed for releasing a game that could be easily modded.

 

In the history of PC gaming, did something like that ever happen?

 

in the case of HC they had to re-release the game with the M rating and i can only imagine how frustrating it was for them, this time the game is being released with the M rating right from the start so i don't see any problem and neither should R*.

 

*holding fingers*

[SlingShotUK]

Back to HC topic:

 

 

Even if they didn't put content in themselves, they would still get slammed for releasing a game that could be easily modded.

 

In the history of PC gaming, did something like that ever happen?

 

in the case of HC they had to re-release the game with the M rating and i can only imagine how frustrating it was for them, this time the game is being released with the M rating right from the start so i don't see any problem and neither should R*.

 

*holding fingers*

Same here.. and you are right about it not happening in the past so we may be ok.

 

I was just thinking that due to the money lost from HC and the bad press, Take 2 (if not Rockstar) may be insisting that the game is secure.

Even though we can't see a problem, it's different when you are the company who has gone through a crisis like that. You want to make sure that similar incidents won't happen again, no matter how they come about (third party mod's etc).

 

Back on topic, mod wise, I love the atmosphere of the GTA games (more than the random killing etc) so anything that can enhance this side of things is an exciting prospect. More ped behaviour would be cool. I like how there are some ped's who have pulled over to the side of the road because they have broken down.. Or parked up and looking in the trunk.. More stuff like that would be cool.

The idea of a proper bus service would be awesome, though it may not be possible or not very easy to do.

[DHoff]

A mod which would leave all buildings used in storymode open. (Bank of Liberty, Comrade's Bar etc.)

[SlingShotUK]

A mod which would leave all buildings used in storymode open. (Bank of Liberty, Comrade's Bar etc.)

That's a brilliant idea! Along with scripted peds inside them..

[DHoff]

A mod which would leave all buildings used in storymode open. (Bank of Liberty, Comrade's Bar etc.)

That's a brilliant idea! Along with scripted peds inside them..

I actually hope the PC version has them open after the story, but I'll guess we'll have to wait and see.

[mkey82]

I do know what your saying about HC, but I would still imagine Rockstar to be very twitchy about someone putting content into the game which was highly controversial. Can you imagine the press reaction if a sex game or bad taste WTC mod was released..

 

Even if they didn't put content in themselves, they would still get slammed for releasing a game that could be easily modded.

You completely missed the point. R* bit the bullet on hotcoffee because of their OWN incompetence. Somebody from the inside messed up. They made that version of the game, locked some content (instead of removing it and rebuilding the archives) and released it. It's obvious - THEY f*cked up.

 

The developer can'/shouldn't be held responsible for what people do with the source. AFAIK there were a few nude mods for GTA in the past. Did R* face any kind of penalty for those? NO, because that wasn't their content. It wasn't in the game, locked or in any other form. You are responsible only for the stuff you include in the game. HC fiasco was just that - a fiasco. Like the later R*'s attitude toward modders who, in twisted R* eyes, are the ones at fault. Lame.

 

If they block modding, it will be their stupidest move up to date. And it will severely cripple the replay value of the game. If any GTA needed modding, this is the one.

[<Dageron>]

I think that game modding will be 100%. Like this game developers, or not, but most of game resourses are already hacked. We saw video of first mod by GooD-NTS and his OpenIV programm.

[AngeloR93]

A full real life conversion, planes....now if only i could run it on this pc

[DexX]

 

I think that game modding will be 100%. Like this game developers, or not, but most of game resourses are already hacked. We saw video of first mod by GooD-NTS and his OpenIV programm.

"Hacked" isn't the right word. Most of the data files on the 360 game are still text-based, and can be opened with notepad. Most likely it will be the same on the PC. The meat and potatoes of modding, for most people, is the models and textures and they were not fully cracked last i checked (models not at all, textures, not really..).

 

 

A full real life conversion, planes

I suspect planes will be a popular request, due to all the whining that occurred when it was announced the game won't have any. It is very unlikely we will be able to add entirely new vehicle types. Planes that do come out will more than likely be based on the helicopter vehicle type.

 

 

Can you imagine the press reaction if a sex game or bad taste WTC mod was released..

There are WTC map mods for the current GTAs, and there are videos of people flying planes into the map-mod WTCs on youtube. No one has complained yet.

[MISTO]

I think the cars and the scripts mods will be the most popular things in GTAIV.

[SlingShotUK]

 

I do know what your saying about HC, but I would still imagine Rockstar to be very twitchy about someone putting content into the game which was highly controversial. Can you imagine the press reaction if a sex game or bad taste WTC mod was released..

 

Even if they didn't put content in themselves, they would still get slammed for releasing a game that could be easily modded.

You completely missed the point. R* bit the bullet on hotcoffee because of their OWN incompetence. Somebody from the inside messed up. They made that version of the game, locked some content (instead of removing it and rebuilding the archives) and released it. It's obvious - THEY f*cked up.

 

The developer can'/shouldn't be held responsible for what people do with the source. AFAIK there were a few nude mods for GTA in the past. Did R* face any kind of penalty for those? NO, because that wasn't their content. It wasn't in the game, locked or in any other form. You are responsible only for the stuff you include in the game. HC fiasco was just that - a fiasco. Like the later R*'s attitude toward modders who, in twisted R* eyes, are the ones at fault. Lame.

 

If they block modding, it will be their stupidest move up to date. And it will severely cripple the replay value of the game. If any GTA needed modding, this is the one.

I do see where you are coming from and hope your right, although I don't think I've missed the point though - not the point I'm making anyway. Which is that after HotCoffee, Rockstar locked down GTA:SA.. V2.0 can not be modded. They didn't just remove the code they had left in the game they locked it down completely. Why do you think that was? It was clearly to stop anyone being able to add stuff back into the game which could cause more contraversy.

 

The problem we have here is that Rockstar haven't released any game since SA which has been moddable so we're going to have to see whether their v2.0 mentality from SA makes it's way into GTA 4.

 

It's a good sign that the XBox version has text files which can be edited, but whether the rest of the game (models etc) will be accessible is another matter entirely.

 

My only point is that once contraversy - major contraversy - hits a company like Take Two there are many many meetings to discuss how to stop it happening in the future. Yes, the first way is to avoid leaving code in the game which should *never* be seen, but also there could have been pressure to lock the game down so it's not possible for people to add their own elements. It hasn't been a problem before HC but I am talking post-HC.. Things have changed...

 

Anyway, lets just hope this isn't the case and we'll be able to find ways to mod everything.. The day the first IMG editor appears for GTA 4 will be magical..

 

I'm totally praying for this to happen.. But I just wanted to point out that attitudes may have changed after HC which may have affected the way Rockstar set out to build this wonderful game.

[mkey82]

The meat and potatoes of modding, for most people, is the models and textures and they were not fully cracked last i checked (models not at all, textures, not really..)

What about SCM coding?

 

 

Things have changed...

I don't think so. I beleive R* realized their mistakes and n future will try to keep the code and data sets clean.

 

We can discuss about this till the cows come home, but I'm sure not even R* CO's are that stupid to block modding entirely on GTA IV. FFS mods are the only reason I'm getting the bloody thing and I'm pretty sure it will be so for many more people when they actually get to play the game.

[SlingShotUK]

The meat and potatoes of modding, for most people, is the models and textures and they were not fully cracked last i checked (models not at all, textures, not really..)

What about SCM coding?

 

 

Things have changed...

I don't think so. I beleive R* realized their mistakes and n future will try to keep the code and data sets clean.

 

We can discuss about this till the cows come home, but I'm sure not even R* CO's are that stupid to block modding entirely on GTA IV. FFS mods are the only reason I'm getting the bloody thing and I'm pretty sure it will be so for many more people when they actually get to play the game.

Again I do hope your right and I'll be delighted to hear the game is not locked down in any way when it get's released.

As long as the mod guys can figure out the file formats and it isn't like V2.0 of SA, it's all good.

 

Could be a very exciting few years ahead..

[iristrauma]

Has anybody mentioned a dismemberment mod here? Individual body parts .. ( Remember Carmagedon..?)

 

What about the ability to squash peds poly's..? A 4 Ton Hummer would certainly put a dent in a peds day yes..?

 

I think these two vital components are missing from ped killing..I agree it could get messy, but hey if you dont lke that sort of thing, thats fine. I just feel that they could make the ped mowing a whole lot more fun..