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New York City is the safest big city in America is it not? However before the zero tolerance rule kicked in it was very dangerous and had a high crime rate. London is a very dangerous city nowadays, and probably the most dangerous big city in Europe. This is not just London, Nottingham is a city in England which is allegedly one of the most dangerous cities to live in the world, and Britain in general has a very high crime rate, every time I hear the news someone has been killed by a knife or a gun. About a month ago a group of French students was stabbed to death and then burnt in an apartment in London. Would it improve the UK in general to introduce the zero tolerance rules like it did New York? I am personally sick of having to sort out little sh*ts who bully my little brother and threaten him with knifes!

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Don't believe everything you read. I'm not convinced NY is the safest big city in America, nor am I convinced that Nottingham is a particularly dangerous place to live, having lived there for the last four years. London has always been dangerous, given its size and the fact that it's generally the centre of most things political and financial in England, which in all fairness is a very small country. Other than the recent rise in knife crime (dealt with elsewhere on this board), I don't feel London is any more dangerous than it ever has been, and as a Londoner originally, I don't feel oppressed or intimidated there any more than anywhere else in England I've been.

 

To answer your question, I think the zero tolerance laws would improve pretty much any big city in the world in theory, but it's all about attitudes. The laws were embraced in NY, but I'm not sure that they would be in England, for example, simply because we're arrogant bastards and don't like being told what to do.

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Well, I reguraly visit Western Europes Murder Capital and I can tell you its much safer then where I live, believe it or not. The murders that happen in Limerick are entirely a result of organised crime executions with the odd random murder now and then. Introducing new zero tollerance laws will, to be frank, do f*ck all for these statistics, it won't even affect the random murders. Why? Because these people run the prisons. The entire prison system is filled with these people and I litterly meen filled. They would even make more money inside than they ever could outside simply due to the easy access of drug addicts. I visited mountjoy (ironic name for a prison) and got to talk to 2 heroine addicts, among other things, and they told us that it was easier to get their fixes inside, and even cheaper. Although the gangsters would probably prefer not to go to prison if they had to go they wouldn't be too pushed about it because they know they'll get a warm welcome on arrival. There was even a stage where prisoners had pets, mobiles and plasma tvs (I can't find a link but anyone from Ireland on this board will be able to confirm it).

 

Obviously this doesn't apply to all countries but I thought I'd give my 2 cents on the matter from an Irish perspective.

 

Edit - A link,

http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/migrati...ess-668171.html

 

I like these quotes,

Sixty mobile phones were seized in the E1 wing of the Midlands jail last year.

 

Orders for executions, drug trafficking and importation of arms are being directed on mobile phones from inside what are supposed to be secure institutions.

 

John Daly's call to Liveline [Liveline is a day-time radio programme, he must have had a radio too so] from his cell in the supposed maximum security wing

 

It should be noted that within the past few weeks AK47 assault rifles were recovered by gardai in Finglas and Rialto in Dublin and in Cork. All came from the same shipments organised in tandem by Dublin and Limerick criminals in prison.

 

Don't you love the Irish Prison System? Ever so effective.

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New York City is the safest big city in America is it not? However before the zero tolerance rule kicked in it was very dangerous and had a high crime rate. London is a very dangerous city nowadays, and probably the most dangerous big city in Europe. This is not just London, Nottingham is a city in England which is allegedly one of the most dangerous cities to live in the world, and Britain in general has a very high crime rate, every time I hear the news someone has been killed by a knife or a gun. About a month ago a group of French students was stabbed to death and then burnt in an apartment in London. Would it improve the UK in general to introduce the zero tolerance rules like it did New York? I am personally sick of having to sort out little sh*ts who bully my little brother and threaten him with knifes!

Funny you mention this.

 

I was walking down the street in Midtown Manhattan thinking about how I would explain that the New York crime rate has dropped so much, and it has less to do with being tough on crime then you think. Zero tolerance as f*ck all to do with the low crime rate in New York. I've read that not everybody is entirely sure why the crime rate is so low all of a sudden and from personal observation I notice there are cops everywhere. So basically I'd say the low crime rate is a product of mystery and strong police presence. Even those two prick mayors, Giuliani and Bloomberg probably had little effect on it. Police presence prevents most crimes and coupled with the end of the crack epidemic, the crime rate is much lower now.

 

Safest big city in America. I wish people would stop associating safety with fascism, you don't actually have to give up- your rights to be safe. New York's crime problem went away not because Rudy Giuliani was tough on crime and if more people realized it they wouldn't be so willing to throw there own rights away.

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rugbyrules

Well the police in uk are so shyt and get beaten up by f*cking chavs! I wish they bring in the SAS to be our police then it would sort everything out!

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Here in England it has became the norm to hear about violence on the news and in the newspapers. I hear about so many murders and violent attacks each day that i don't even think about how terrible it is that a father was kicked to death by a group of teenagers for telling them to get off his car. I know it sounds bad but thats the stage that violence has got to here we are becoming immune to it.

Years ago there were unspoken rules that criminal's obeyed such as not stealing from your neighbours and the disabled however these rules have been forgotten, now many criminals go by no set of rules...

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The police are pathetic around these parts, i can complain because i wish only for democracy to be eradicated, but most of the people that i come across don't realise their votes constitue sh*t options within democracy Aka low justice and criminals sticking the finger up at you and walking free after raping someone. If many wish for tougher policing the whole political structure needs to be changed... will you see teenagers rob and kill elderly when they find out before they do it that they will have their legs smashed in!?

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The police are pathetic around these parts, i can complain because i wish only for democracy to be eradicated, but most of the people that i come across don't realise their votes constitue sh*t options within democracy Aka low justice and criminals sticking the finger up at you and walking free after raping someone. If many wish for tougher policing the whole political structure needs to be changed... will you see teenagers rob and kill elderly when they find out before they do it that they will have their legs smashed in!?

As effective as that might be I'd still like to keep my rights icon14.gif

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we need more cops like that dude from red heat...

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The police are pathetic around these parts, i can complain because i wish only for democracy to be eradicated, but most of the people that i come across don't realise their votes constitue sh*t options within democracy Aka low justice and criminals sticking the finger up at you and walking free after raping someone. If many wish for tougher policing the whole political structure needs to be changed... will you see teenagers rob and kill elderly when they find out before they do it that they will have their legs smashed in!?

As effective as that might be I'd still like to keep my rights icon14.gif

Well good luck fighting for justice.

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The police are pathetic around these parts, i can complain because i wish only for democracy to be eradicated, but most of the people that i come across don't realise their votes constitue sh*t options within democracy Aka low justice and criminals sticking the finger up at you and walking free after raping someone. If many wish for tougher policing the whole political structure needs to be changed... will you see teenagers rob and kill elderly when they find out before they do it that they will have their legs smashed in!?

As effective as that might be I'd still like to keep my rights icon14.gif

Well good luck fighting for justice.

I have justice and I'm quite pleased with it. If you think a communist Ireland will do anything but sh*t on its people like every other communist regime I'd like to hear about it in a seperate thread (I'm sure there is already one around here somewhere).

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Teqila
New York City is the safest big city in America is it not? However before the zero tolerance rule kicked in it was very dangerous and had a high crime rate. London is a very dangerous city nowadays, and probably the most dangerous big city in Europe. This is not just London, Nottingham is a city in England which is allegedly one of the most dangerous cities to live in the world, and Britain in general has a very high crime rate, every time I hear the news someone has been killed by a knife or a gun. About a month ago a group of French students was stabbed to death and then burnt in an apartment in London. Would it improve the UK in general to introduce the zero tolerance rules like it did New York? I am personally sick of having to sort out little sh*ts who bully my little brother and threaten him with knifes!

They weren't killed by ojects but rather the people using them. Remember that. Firearm and knife bans do nothing to reduce crime and very little to change the manner in which it is performed. Focus on the criminals. Give them proper sentences not that "He's really a good person, he just needs some love" after they murder or commit armed robbery. Bring back the death penalty. What's to stop a killer from getting out early from a ridiculously light sentence and become better at breaking the law.

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Exactly! I tell you what, It is usually the little punks that carry knifes. I always fight with my fists and next time I see a little skinny chav I am gonna batter him to death I dont care if he is inocent!!!

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lloydo

 

The police are pathetic around these parts, i can complain because i wish only for democracy to be eradicated, but most of the people that i come across don't realise their votes constitue sh*t options within democracy Aka low justice and criminals sticking the finger up at you and walking free after raping someone. If many wish for tougher policing the whole political structure needs to be changed... will you see teenagers rob and kill elderly when they find out before they do it that they will have their legs smashed in!?

As effective as that might be I'd still like to keep my rights icon14.gif

Well good luck fighting for justice.

I have justice and I'm quite pleased with it. If you think a communist Ireland will do anything but sh*t on its people like every other communist regime I'd like to hear about it in a seperate thread (I'm sure there is already one around here somewhere).

So you would say Capitalism is a much finer way of living than that of a Communist one? Intriguing, you know many will speak out against Communism only when their lives seem at risk, yet when the millions of people in China are ruled by so called brutal Communism, the majortiy of the world cares less. As long as the state has no interferance in the economy the world economy will fall, democracy implements free trade capitalism, capiltalists battle it out for resources which, unless you have forgotten, are depleting. Of course state interferance introduces tough measures, but by God i would warmly welcome them against this so called modern society which is indeed a sheild to a society of sick rapists, thugs will no morals and laws with no common sense.

So what do you want? A free trade, resource depleting capitlaist society? Or a restricted Modern Communist society which would have ability to intervene in trade which currently allows billions upon billions to go missing each year? By all means lets get a Communism Capitalist thread going! Oh and rugbyrules, don't bother fighting thugs, hooligans etc, if you are where i am from you would probably be sent to jail for that, so much for common sense in a modern society.

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So you would say Capitalism is a much finer way of living than that of a Communist one? Intriguing, you know many will speak out against Communism only when their lives seem at risk, yet when the millions of people in China are ruled by so called brutal Communism, the majortiy of the world cares less. As long as the state has no interferance in the economy the world economy will fall, democracy implements free trade capitalism, capiltalists battle it out for resources which, unless you have forgotten, are depleting. Of course state interferance introduces tough measures, but by God i would warmly welcome them against this so called modern society which is indeed a sheild to a society of sick rapists, thugs will no morals and laws with no common sense.

So what do you want? A free trade, resource depleting capitlaist society? Or a restricted Modern Communist society which would have ability to intervene in trade which currently allows billions upon billions to go missing each year? By all means lets get a Communism Capitalist thread going! Oh and rugbyrules, don't bother fighting thugs, hooligans etc, if you are where i am from you would probably be sent to jail for that, so much for common sense in a modern society.

lol, If you want to discuss it open a new thread, 'tll then I'll enjoy my democratic rights.

 

P.S. Ireland isn't a capitalist country.

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Teqila
Exactly! I tell you what, It is usually the little punks that carry knifes. I always fight with my fists and next time I see a little skinny chav I am gonna batter him to death I dont care if he is inocent!!!

"Always fight". You may be part of the problem. It's mostly the tough guy culture where you have to fight over the most trivial matters at all times to prove your toughness.

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So you would say Capitalism is a much finer way of living than that of a Communist one? Intriguing, you know many will speak out against Communism only when their lives seem at risk, yet when the millions of people in China are ruled by so called brutal Communism, the majortiy of the world cares less. As long as the state has no interferance in the economy the world economy will fall, democracy implements free trade capitalism, capiltalists battle it out for resources which, unless you have forgotten, are depleting. Of course state interferance introduces tough measures, but by God i would warmly welcome them against this so called modern society which is indeed a sheild to a society of sick rapists, thugs will no morals and laws with no common sense.

So what do you want? A free trade, resource depleting capitlaist society? Or a restricted Modern Communist society which would have ability to intervene in trade which currently allows billions upon billions to go missing each year? By all means lets get a Communism Capitalist thread going! Oh and rugbyrules, don't bother fighting thugs, hooligans etc, if you are where i am from you would probably be sent to jail for that, so much for common sense in a modern society.

lol, If you want to discuss it open a new thread, 'tll then I'll enjoy my democratic rights.

 

P.S. Ireland isn't a capitalist country.

Not Capitalist? I must be mistaken by those who are making profit in the Irish economy, there is an estimate of 100,000 millionaires in Ireland, twice as many per capita as Britain.

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Not Capitalist? I must be mistaken by those who are making profit in the Irish economy, there is an estimate of 100,000 millionaires in Ireland, twice as many per capita as Britain.

state capitalism is a term used to describe a system where state is intervening in the markets to protect and advance interests of big business.

 

People being successful doesn't make Ireland a capatilist country, it just means we have a relativly good education system and provide decent chances for those willing to make a go at it.

 

The Irish goverment have interevened in dozens of cases where business actions would have cost peope their jobs. Remember the Aer Lingus/Ryan Air thing? The goverment would have made millions from that but said no because it would have cost hundreds of Irish people their jobs.

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Not fully Capitalist, but with Capitalist elements. The state and states everywhere need control to preserve resources for future generations, unlike modern money makers today who have erdicated parts of society due to their little or no regard to culture etc. It's quite hyprocritical to find so called democracy eradicating societies all over the globe just for it's own survivle and benefit.

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New York City is the safest big city in America is it not? However before the zero tolerance rule kicked in it was very dangerous and had a high crime rate. London is a very dangerous city nowadays, and probably the most dangerous big city in Europe. This is not just London, Nottingham is a city in England which is allegedly one of the most dangerous cities to live in the world, and Britain in general has a very high crime rate, every time I hear the news someone has been killed by a knife or a gun. About a month ago a group of French students was stabbed to death and then burnt in an apartment in London. Would it improve the UK in general to introduce the zero tolerance rules like it did New York? I am personally sick of having to sort out little sh*ts who bully my little brother and threaten him with knifes!

Funny you mention this.

 

I was walking down the street in Midtown Manhattan thinking about how I would explain that the New York crime rate has dropped so much, and it has less to do with being tough on crime then you think. Zero tolerance as f*ck all to do with the low crime rate in New York. I've read that not everybody is entirely sure why the crime rate is so low all of a sudden and from personal observation I notice there are cops everywhere. So basically I'd say the low crime rate is a product of mystery and strong police presence. Even those two prick mayors, Giuliani and Bloomberg probably had little effect on it. Police presence prevents most crimes and coupled with the end of the crack epidemic, the crime rate is much lower now.

 

Safest big city in America. I wish people would stop associating safety with fascism, you don't actually have to give up- your rights to be safe. New York's crime problem went away not because Rudy Giuliani was tough on crime and if more people realized it they wouldn't be so willing to throw there own rights away.

The answer may be very simple... legal abortion.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abo...nd_crime_effect

 

Interesting read.

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New York City is the safest big city in America is it not? However before the zero tolerance rule kicked in it was very dangerous and had a high crime rate. London is a very dangerous city nowadays, and probably the most dangerous big city in Europe. This is not just London, Nottingham is a city in England which is allegedly one of the most dangerous cities to live in the world, and Britain in general has a very high crime rate, every time I hear the news someone has been killed by a knife or a gun. About a month ago a group of French students was stabbed to death and then burnt in an apartment in London. Would it improve the UK in general to introduce the zero tolerance rules like it did New York? I am personally sick of having to sort out little sh*ts who bully my little brother and threaten him with knifes!

Funny you mention this.

 

I was walking down the street in Midtown Manhattan thinking about how I would explain that the New York crime rate has dropped so much, and it has less to do with being tough on crime then you think. Zero tolerance as f*ck all to do with the low crime rate in New York. I've read that not everybody is entirely sure why the crime rate is so low all of a sudden and from personal observation I notice there are cops everywhere. So basically I'd say the low crime rate is a product of mystery and strong police presence. Even those two prick mayors, Giuliani and Bloomberg probably had little effect on it. Police presence prevents most crimes and coupled with the end of the crack epidemic, the crime rate is much lower now.

 

Safest big city in America. I wish people would stop associating safety with fascism, you don't actually have to give up- your rights to be safe. New York's crime problem went away not because Rudy Giuliani was tough on crime and if more people realized it they wouldn't be so willing to throw there own rights away.

Maybe the mysterious "increased police presence" had something to do with a policy promoted by one of those "prick" mayors??

 

Now, I live in the 2nd poorest city in USA - and that sucks - and although I do not want to live in a police state, it would probably do the local economy some good to hire 500 more cops and have them patrolling the city constantly.

 

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