Eminence Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 On the subject, is Eminence on holiday, or what? Yes. I don´t see the major problem in the forum, and I don´t see why people claim things need to be drastically changed. It´s a forum for writing, so write, and don´t turn things into something so complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbine23 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Well we could use some more people here, because we're a small community in the writers discussion. Most people in the writers discussion are people like Eminence, Univirginiser, Oxidizer, Vercetti21, Cubanwhip, Saltinespike, Struff, Me, Phusion, Ronmar and a few others. The only problem is that we can attract the wrong people to this part, and i only have one grudge with Unvirginisers idea. The fact that they have to post two comments before they can write there own is bad in a way. They can just make something up to get by that fact, and just say the stories awesome when they haven't read it. And yes i do agree that we need a leader to this discussion but we don't have to make a sub-forum for this section. Like others said, it's not active enough. As for the "Originals" and "Fanfics", is it possible to make an extra box next to the topic title on the writers board. Like next to the box of the topic creator it says what type of story it is. Just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Constantin Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 And yes i do agree that we need a leader to this discussion but we don't have to make a sub-forum for this section. Like others said, it's not active enough. As for the "Originals" and "Fanfics", is it possible to make an extra box next to the topic title on the writers board. Like next to the box of the topic creator it says what type of story it is. Just a suggestion. That would be very complicated and would require a member of the GTAF Staff to rewrite the code for the forum; which I cannot see happening. I don't think it really matters whether or not it's instantly obvious whether a post is an Fanfic or Original, because the author will usually point you one way or the other before actually delving into their story. The most we could ask is for them to put 'Fanfic' or 'Original' in the topic description or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhoda Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Sure, the WD section can become overrun with abandoned stories that barely hit the 2 page mark, but these quickly drift off the page. Just how long has the WD section been going without anyone stepping in? I aim to be a regular here (if I'm not already counted as one) and already I don't see much need for help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickstick Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Well we could use some more people here, because we're a small community in the writers discussion. But that's the thing you see: I, and many others, like it like that. As Pat has repeatedly said in the past, the slow pace of WD, at least compared to some other forums, is a big part of it's appeal. Do you really get any "community" feel in Gen Chat? No, because there's so many people posting it's almost impossible to keep up with it. In WD we all know ecah other a little better, simply because we see each other's posts more and there's less of us. And that is what makes Writer's Discussion. In any case WD is far, far more active now than what it was when I started visiting it often. The topics on the first page would often stretch back to three weeks ago. Look at it now- what is it? Less than a week? It already is active. If you really want to see inactivity, go look at Vehicle Talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbine23 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 If it isn't broke, don't fix it. Sure, the WD section can become overrun with abandoned stories that barely hit the 2 page mark, but these quickly drift off the page. Just how long has the WD section been going without anyone stepping in? I aim to be a regular here (if I'm not already counted as one) and already I don't see much need for help. I would say your considered a regular, and nothing bad has really happened in the writers discussion besides a few people who have created countless topics because nobody commented on the past ones. Also people have been creating countless topics, drifting well-worthwhile and hard working ones off to the second page, and i don't think a lot of people in writers discussion look at the 2nd page unless they need to catch up on something. And people also complain about the feedback here, which has been an issue in this part of the forums. Places like the "General chat" and "GTA4" section receive lots of feedback compared to this. @Gabriel - yes i suppose your right, but it was just a suggestion to those who would want it. @Chickstick - I meant a few more not a whole bunch like general chat because then stories will be drifted off to the second page in a matter of minutes. The good thing about this community is that some bond with each other and PM each other about stories and help out each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickstick Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 @Chickstick - I meant a few more not a whole bunch like general chat because then stories will be drifted off to the second page in a matter of minutes. The good thing about this community is that some bond with each other and PM each other about stories and help out each other. I know you did, and I think I've been misunderstood. Perhaps that was a little exaggeration for effect on my part. Obviously WD will never have the amount of activity that Gen Chat enjoys. But surely if only a few more people will become regulars they will become so of their own accord, rather than from having to leave feedback so they could post their own stories? And don't forget, as Oblivionz stated, just because you haven't left feedback doesn't mean you haven't read it. I try to have at least a quick read of every new topic in WD, whether it be from a seasoned regular or a GTA IV noob, but only leave feedback where I see fit. I don't leave feedback just for a free post. Who do you think I am, longkissgoodnight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbine23 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 (edited) @Chickstick - I meant a few more not a whole bunch like general chat because then stories will be drifted off to the second page in a matter of minutes. The good thing about this community is that some bond with each other and PM each other about stories and help out each other. I know you did, and I think I've been misunderstood. Perhaps that was a little exaggeration for effect on my part. Obviously WD will never have the amount of activity that Gen Chat enjoys. But surely if only a few more people will become regulars they will become so of their own accord, rather than from having to leave feedback so they could post their own stories? And don't forget, as Oblivionz stated, just because you haven't left feedback doesn't mean you haven't read it. I try to have at least a quick read of every new topic in WD, whether it be from a seasoned regular or a GTA IV noob, but only leave feedback where I see fit. I don't leave feedback just for a free post. Who do you think I am, longkissgoodnight? Very true. I know Oblivionz does that. I remember he thought my "song of death" short story was scary so he just had to leave some feedback about it. And i remember Longkissgoodnight. That was a long time ago haha. I remember his emotionless posts like "i like this or interesting". Your definitely not him Chickstick, and you were the first person to help me in this forum. You may not remember but you were the first help i got with my first story. I always leave feedback just so i can be a good, well-respected member and to make people feel happy, because mostly everybody here knows the feeling of getting a detailed feedback from somebody here. It's a wonderful warm feeling @Gabriel (Post below me) - That's a good idea i suppose. Sorry i just didn't want to make another post. I hate having the most posts in a topic Edited July 21, 2008 by Carbine23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Constantin Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I think we need a place for us writers to congregate and talk, in order to create and even stronger community feel. A la Writer's Ideas; but not so much geared towards a focused topic. Who's with me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti21 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I don't see the major problem in the forum, and I don´t see why people claim things need to be drastically changed. It´s a forum for writing, so write, and don´t turn things into something so complicated. But that's the thing you see: I, and many others, like it like that. As Pat has repeatedly said in the past, the slow pace of WD, at least compared to some other forums, is a big part of it's appeal. Agreed on both points. No need to try to make WD a more popular forum, and no need to Nazi-fy it. Although I do agree with the new forum led-by idea but while I don't want him to lock inactive topics left and right, I'd prefer him only to step in when a member gets out of hand with either behavior or quantity of stories, such as LKG and GTAwarrior. I think Struff could be good at that job, or possibly *gasp* Cubanwhip. I like the idea of an aggressive led-by in these parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubanwhip Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Agreed on both points. No need to try to make WD a more popular forum, and no need to Nazi-fy it. Although I do agree with the new forum led-by idea but while I don't want him to lock inactive topics left and right, I'd prefer him only to step in when a member gets out of hand with either behavior or quantity of stories, such as LKG and GTAwarrior. I think Struff could be good at that job, or possibly *gasp* Cubanwhip. I like the idea of an aggressive led-by in these parts. Listen here Vercetti21! I am not aggressive. I am the kindest and most tolerant regular on this forum. AND I DON'T NEED SUCH SLANDER BEING THROWN AROUND. Now, drop down, and give me infinity. And I don't mean push-ups soldier. But yeah, we might need a new led-by. Two out of three I don't even see in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltinespike Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I don´t see the major problem in the forum, and I don´t see why people claim things need to be drastically changed. It´s a forum for writing, so write, and don´t turn things into something so complicated. Pretty much agreed there. Of course, it could use with some touch-ups, but it's always been like this. No worse than a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark-2007 Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I don't see too much of a problem in WD. It's a nice, close community. Not everyone gets on, but don't have to mix with each other. A bigger presence from someone with authority would help reduce the numbers of multi-story posters - there'd need to be a poll or something to decide who as I, and others I'm guessing, disagree with some decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unvirginiser Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share Posted July 22, 2008 You see, a lot of you are missing the point entirely. The point is not to reduce spam, the point is to increase reading each other's work, and the way to do that is to force people in to reading other pieces before they can post their own stuff. And locking old inactive topics? Pointless, maybe just abandoned ones with no glimmer of hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oblivionz Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 There is a play coming in here that the led-by may not like a certain person, so they'll always have something against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbine23 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 You see, a lot of you are missing the point entirely. The point is not to reduce spam, the point is to increase reading each other's work, and the way to do that is to force people in to reading other pieces before they can post their own stuff. And locking old inactive topics? Pointless, maybe just abandoned ones with no glimmer of hope but reducing SPAM is something useful that can come out of your idea, hopefully giving hope to those who abandon stories to get more feedback. I agree though with the "reading others respectively" idea also, and hopefully the joy of reading others work will match the joy of writing your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxidizer Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I think we need a place for us writers to congregate and talk, in order to create and even stronger community feel. A la Writer's Ideas; but not so much geared towards a focused topic. Who's with me? Makes sense to me. WD is Writer's Discussion, after all. Other than that, I don't get what's wrong with all the short stories from newer members (I don't like the term n00b ). At first I thought there was too many topics but they're for different pieces, so those who are posting a lot of material aren't exactly doing anything they shouldn't be or whatever. The Led-by thing seems all right as it is too. Topics don't need locking so often as to need a LB on scene immediately, you know? Plus there's the library thing to locate specific stories if the wave of gamescripts/short stories or whathaveyou is making it harder to find a certain piece you're wanting to read. But that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercetti21 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 (edited) The point is not to reduce spam, the point is to increase reading each other's work, and the way to do that is to force people in to reading other pieces before they can post their own stuff. I don't know about you but I want thoughtful and helpful criticism. Your plan only allows for "criticism" from new members of WD, 90% of which will just say "wow great best i've ever read!" You see, you're giving up quality for quantity. I'd rather keep WD a democracy, as it is. Where no one is 'forced' to criticize anyone else's work, but it is certainly encouraged. This makes it so that you only get comments from people who are worth your time, as they willingly gave their time to help you out. If it's more story attention you want, I think we definitely need to put it out there that everyone needs to pick up on the criticisms. Not to be a hypocrite here as I myself have been slightly inactive lately, but it seems like we're seeing a lot more stories and a lot less comments on them. Edited July 22, 2008 by Vercetti21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickstick Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 The point is not to reduce spam, the point is to increase reading each other's work, and the way to do that is to force people in to reading other pieces before they can post their own stuff. But how will we know people are actually reading other people's work? As has already been posted on numerous occasions, a lot of us read but don't leave feedback. And surely if we "force" new members to read they'll just leave WD? If this system had have been in place when I joined I doubt I'd be as active in WD as I am now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Struff Bunstridge Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I'm not really too bothered how many people give me feedback; it's not like we're scoring points here. I like to write occasionally, but mostly I enjoy coming on here and shooting illiterate people down in flames providing constructive criticism for people where I feel it's appropriate. I don't think anybody condems unnecessarily, nor do I see any evidence of persistent grudges or arguments. I don't think WD needs a revamp that badly; if I write a piece and someone wants to comment, they can. If not, I won't lose any sleep. The only people who will aren't writing for the right reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unvirginiser Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share Posted July 22, 2008 You need to think outside the box.... Forget new members for s second. Right, say I want to post a new story... called err, raging raptors, I dunno First, I have to read Kingdom, leave feedback Then The Man Who Once Spoke, leave feedback Then I post raging raptors... then since I've read kingdom, I'm now a big fan of Vercetti's work... read all of it and comment on every chapter, then read all his new pieces, same with carbine. That way, the overall flow of WD improves, if everybody does what I just did. Bahh, well it's up to you guys, made sense to me at the time, but I can see what your all saying One thing we can all agree on is a new ledby and a community discussion thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanted Assailant Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 You need to think outside the box....Forget new members for s second. Right, say I want to post a new story... called err, raging raptors, I dunno First, I have to read Kingdom, leave feedback Then The Man Who Once Spoke, leave feedback Then I post raging raptors... then since I've read kingdom, I'm now a big fan of Vercetti's work... read all of it and comment on every chapter, then read all his new pieces, same with carbine. That way, the overall flow of WD improves, if everybody does what I just did. Bahh, well it's up to you guys, made sense to me at the time, but I can see what your all saying One thing we can all agree on is a new ledby and a community discussion thread But it seems too forced. And like what everyone said up above, the feedback would just be a lame +1 spam for people who want their stories read and vice-versa. Not to mention the flow of WD would change. The slow/moderate pace of WD is pretty good to me, and I wouldn't want it to be an overflown volcano like GenChat, GTA neXt or the GTAIV boards. Anyways, I come by WD regularly and try to the read most of the stories placed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminence Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 One thing we can all agree on is a new ledby and a community discussion thread For what reason, exactly, is a new ledby needed? To simply lock more topics just for the hell of it? What´s actually wrong with how things are now? I agree with Struff´s earlier post; those who will lose sleep over not getting enough feedback are writing for the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbine23 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 You need to think outside the box....Forget new members for s second. Right, say I want to post a new story... called err, raging raptors, I dunno First, I have to read Kingdom, leave feedback Then The Man Who Once Spoke, leave feedback Then I post raging raptors... then since I've read kingdom, I'm now a big fan of Vercetti's work... read all of it and comment on every chapter, then read all his new pieces, same with carbine. That way, the overall flow of WD improves, if everybody does what I just did. Bahh, well it's up to you guys, made sense to me at the time, but I can see what your all saying One thing we can all agree on is a new ledby and a community discussion thread The good thing about the slow pace of writers discussion is that topics don't freakin get pushed back to the 2nd page like in the GTA4 section when GTA4 was released. That was crazy. More feedback wouldn't hurt, ESPECIALLY for those who are new to this section and don't understand the slow flow of it. I remember a new person came to this section and since he didn't get a lot of feedback on his story he created a topic complaining about this section. I think a led-bye would be great for this section to educate those who don't have the knowledge of this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unvirginiser Posted July 22, 2008 Author Share Posted July 22, 2008 One thing we can all agree on is a new ledby and a community discussion thread For what reason, exactly, is a new ledby needed? To simply lock more topics just for the hell of it? What´s actually wrong with how things are now? I agree with Struff´s earlier post; those who will lose sleep over not getting enough feedback are writing for the wrong reasons. Yeah well trust you to take offense The ledby would have been needed to keep up with the new rule, if it was ever enforced, which isn't looking very likely at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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