Hardstyle

[Mister Pink]

 

'lamb of god'

 

 

A fine choice, sir.

 

Wall Of Death!!!

 

Anyways, dance music is by no means my first choice; I prefer punk, psychobilly and metal. I do go to a night regularly in Nottingham that plays psytrance, which is designed purely for its repetitive beat, droning bass and danceability, not its musical merit. It can be fun, you just have to be in the right mood and with the right crowd.

Off topic: I love Psytrance too. Just been to a psy Festival 2 weeks ago. Checked out your myspace. Great tunes!

 

On Topic:I don't like Hardstyle at all. I think it's far too cheesy and repetitive and I love Electronica.

 

By no means is this music easier to produce than something with a guitar. Learning the technology and software can take years before even been able to producing something that sounds quality.

 

 

[Molotiv]

 

yep its a harder sub-genre of techno

no its not, hardstyle has its roots in the gabber/hardcore scene. Its just a slower version of the beats made in the 90's. But is has the same sequence and build as the old hardcore and gabber tunes. Again another pointless genre developed by the smart-marketing machine ID&T.

 

To compare it to techno is an insult. It has nothing to do with techno.

 

 

 

then again every electronic music-scene originated from techno....

Edited July 21, 2008 by Molotiv

[anus]

Time to move this to Music Chat.

 

I don't mind Hardstyle...it's not quite my scene, I'm into Hardcore generally. Not quite as thumpy in sound, though some stuff's not far off it.

 

I'm quite a fan of artists like Scott Brown, which tend to venture into that sorta music at times. This youtube vid shows the kinda music variation he has...the end's getting similar in style.

 

 

 

EDIT: Oh, I do like this tune...not far off either really.

 

 

 

Oh, and for those saying a bit of Lamb of God is needed to solve the problem, I myself own As the palaces burn and New American Gospel. In fact, I have a bit of LOG mixed in with some trance on my playlist . Good choice of tune, I myself prefer 11th hour from that album but that's certainly one of the best from As the Palaces Burn .

Hey can you tell me what the 5th 6th and 7th songs are in the first video you posted? I'm not sure which one it is, but its the one where there's a female singing. I seem to like that track a lot, so help me out. Thanks .

[Im Rick James B**ch!]

Does anyone else think they could download a programme for free and make that kind of music after about 10 minutes of fiddling around with the settings? It's just not 'real' music in my opinion.

You should have a go and see how you fair.

 

Besides, i always thought music was an art form, not an objective measure of ability.

 

 

As for hardstyle, too boring in my opinion. I like repetition, but only if the sounds are less harmonic or just generally more interesting. The music just feels too predictable.

 

 

 

[ass reamer]

I sing, play guitar, bass, drums and synth in a band (although not all at the same time), and I also use programming software to make music electronically. Neither are easy.

 

Check the link to 'Valens' in my sig; it represents ten weeks, or around sixty hours total, of what I made while studying Music Technology. Even after all that time, it still sounds poor, and I was studying that sh*t.

That sh*t in your sig sounds like you made in about 5 minutes in garage band. 60 hours and you still turn out a crock of sh*t that bad? If you were seriously studying music when you made that, then you f*cking fail at music. Find another hobby.

 

I think making "real" (acoustic) music is much harder than electronic music. You actually have to put a little bit of theory to work when playing a real instrument, unlike electronica where you can just mash buttons until you find something that you like.

[anus]

I'm sick and tired of people always comparing different genres. Genres are all different! They can't be compared! Different genres are what gives you diversity in music!

 

It takes just as much skill to produce a hardstyle as it takes to produce any other form of music. Just because you think its easy, it doesn't make it so. If you think it is easy to make a good electronica track, instead of just saying it, do it and prove it.

[Struff Bunstridge]

Thanks for the feedback, ass reamer. No doubt you have better efforts you're in the process of posting links for?

 

...no?

 

As you'll know from reading the post you quoted, I said it represents sixty hours of studying Music Tech, ie, learning how to use that software from scratch. Compare it to, say, learning French from nothing for sixty hours, and then having a conversation with a Frenchman.

 

You've obviously never tried making your own electronic music; as I and several others have pointed out, it's not just a case of "mashing buttons". Constructing a bass line, for example; you can use root notes if you want, but how much better will it sound if you use your knowledge of scales, or inclusion of fifth or seventh notes, to construct it? You can play the notes on a bass, or draw them into the software on a computer, but you still need the same knowledge of music theory to construct something complex.

[Mark]

Hey can you tell me what the 5th 6th and 7th songs are in the first video you posted? I'm not sure which one it is, but its the one where there's a female singing. I seem to like that track a lot, so help me out. Thanks .

I think you mean All about you...not sure though. This?

 

 

[Ludo]

Genres are all different! They can't be compared!

I don't understand...do you compare things that are exactly the same? Why compare then?

 

 

Tbh I do have no like for Hardstyle and/or any of the styles effectively in the same box. I worked in a night club the last 2 nights of 07, December 30 was a Techno night, now to me, it sounded that they either played the same song 3-4 times, or some f*ckers are copying each other. Either way, a big f*cking cheer went up from the crowd each time.

I do appreciate though that the same can be said for others listening to metal...

[Juice By Kayla Marie]

I like hardstyle. :] It's great.

[ass reamer]

You've obviously never tried making your own electronic music; as I and several others have pointed out, it's not just a case of "mashing buttons". Constructing a bass line, for example; you can use root notes if you want, but how much better will it sound if you use your knowledge of scales, or inclusion of fifth or seventh notes, to construct it? You can play the notes on a bass, or draw them into the software on a computer, but you still need the same knowledge of music theory to construct something complex.

Yes, it is. I've f*cked around with electronic music software before and that's basically all it is. A bunch of pre-loaded synth sounds and if you mash buttons long enough you'll eventually find something that sounds "good." You can do that with zero knowledge of music theory or skill.

 

I haven't heard a complex bass line in any of this horrible hardstyle sh*t, but even if there is some techno group out there writing incredible bass lines, they still aren't playing it. There's a big difference between writing something then programming it into a computer and being able to actually play it.

[Struff Bunstridge]

Equally, there's a big difference between being able to play the notes an an instrument, and being able to programme a computer to reproduce them within a given tempo and time signature.

 

What software have you "f*cked around with"? You're right to say that basically anyone can create a tune with pre-loaded synth patches, but just as basically, anyone can learn to play Wonderwall or Basket Case, or even Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, in about seventeen seconds flat on a guitar. Doesn't make them good at it.

 

Look, I know what you're saying. I much prefer playing music live as well, and would argue that over electronic music all day long, but I think it's important to recognise that it takes skill and musical expertise to be able to programme this kind of stuff.

[ass reamer]

I don't remember what program it was. It was years ago.

 

When I hear electronic music that clearly has put music theory to work, then I'll change my mind. I simply haven't heard anything that has impressed me at all.

 

Also, I'm sorry I kind of attacked your music experiment, that was a dick move.

[Struff Bunstridge]

Well, yeah, I think I was more pissed off about that than anything else, but no worries. People have used phrases like "needs work", or "sounds like you're not trying very hard", but that was new...

 

I guess it depends how much music theory you want to hear. Anyone who knows six power chords can write a punk song, but they still sound good, at least to my ears. On the other hand, I could listen to Michael Romeo from Symphony X play guitar all day, but I think the rest of his band suck. Swings and roundabouts, really.