DSMs'

[bananabis]

I'm really toying with the idea of picking up a 2G 1998-1999 (pref. 99) Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, or a 1998 Talon. Supposedly, the thrust bearings were revised "secretly" on the production lines for 1999, and theres a Crankwalk myth that the 1999 7 bolts have a better flowing head than the 1995's-1998's do.

 

I'm really hoping to get into cars a bit more. I've been enjoying my daily driver Celica for a few years, lotsa fun and I'm smiling everytime at the pump (only costs me about $40 to top off with gas at $4.59 in my area ) and I figured since I'm not commuting to college for the next couple years that I could pick up a semi-reliable (ha!) DSM and just learn more about imports. Aside from general maintenance and upkeep, I really don't have that great a knowledge of imports and I'd like to expand that. Sure, I can shoot the sh*t and talk about variable valve timing all I want, but nothing beats boost!

 

So, what do you "Car Guru's" here think of my DSM idea? Yay, or...nay?

 

[bananabis]

Mods, possible move?

 

EDIT: GRACIAS!

Edited July 18, 2008 by bananabis

[tuff_luv_capo]

Avoid the 2g, other than crank walk, you will have a plastic blow-off valve, smaller throttle body, smaller turbo, etc.

[bananabis]

Avoid the 2g, other than crank walk, you will have a plastic blow-off valve, smaller throttle body, smaller turbo, etc.

Ehh...I'd replace the P.O.S. plastic BOV with a 1G. No plans on making this a 1/4" car or a track car, simply a fun little daily driver. T25 (T2-ghey) is alrite, I'm not looking for huge HP numbers here but I could always go for a T28 or just look for a cheap 16G and just do all the supporting mods.

 

Only thing I'm really worried about is the sh*tty flowing head...I'm not really sure how to counter-crankwalk since their really hasn't been a "cure" found. Theres' so many rumors about what could cause it, and the scary thing is that it could happen to one with 500AWHP or it could happen to something with no more than an aftermarket air cannister.

 

Anyone on here famaliar with the DSM line/owned a 1G or a 2G in the past???

[tuff_luv_capo]

Avoid the 2g, other than crank walk, you will have a plastic blow-off valve, smaller throttle body, smaller turbo, etc.

Ehh...I'd replace the P.O.S. plastic BOV with a 1G. No plans on making this a 1/4" car or a track car, simply a fun little daily driver. T25 (T2-ghey) is alrite, I'm not looking for huge HP numbers here but I could always go for a T28 or just look for a cheap 16G and just do all the supporting mods.

 

Only thing I'm really worried about is the sh*tty flowing head...I'm not really sure how to counter-crankwalk since their really hasn't been a "cure" found. Theres' so many rumors about what could cause it, and the scary thing is that it could happen to one with 500AWHP or it could happen to something with no more than an aftermarket air cannister.

 

Anyone on here famaliar with the DSM line/owned a 1G or a 2G in the past???

The only counter to crank-walk is buy below 1995.

 

I love DSM but if you want the most problem free experience, accompanied with performance, you're better off with the more masculine (IMO) 1g.

 

But whatever you do, try and find either with below 150,000 miles, preferable a one owner that isn't modded. That's the only way to know you have a semi-solid base to work off of. Most recommend a timing belt and water-pump change since those are some of the more common culprits in maintenance worries. Other than that, with a DSM, you WILL have problems and you WILL become a mechanic within two months. You can ask any DSM owner.

[Picolini]

Lol, they sound like fun

 

A friend of mine has a GSX vert he's selling, hasn't mentioned any problems really. I think he wants 7K for it, not sure what the mileage is. Don't think there's any mods to it, just new rims, iirc.

 

After watching a video of crankwalk on youtube, I think I'll stay away from any DSM's

[tuff_luv_capo]

Lol, they sound like fun

 

A friend of mine has a GSX vert he's selling, hasn't mentioned any problems really. I think he wants 7K for it, not sure what the mileage is. Don't think there's any mods to it, just new rims, iirc.

 

After watching a video of crankwalk on youtube, I think I'll stay away from any DSM's

Like I said, the 1g's are your best bet, but to most people it's like telling them the sun dial is more reliable than a stop-watch. I mean sure it is older, but you can find hundreds in amazing shape, and you'll have peace of mind.

[epoxi]

Lol, they sound like fun

 

A friend of mine has a GSX vert he's selling, hasn't mentioned any problems really. I think he wants 7K for it, not sure what the mileage is. Don't think there's any mods to it, just new rims, iirc.

 

After watching a video of crankwalk on youtube, I think I'll stay away from any DSM's

Like I said, the 1g's are your best bet, but to most people it's like telling them the sun dial is more reliable than a stop-watch. I mean sure it is older, but you can find hundreds in amazing shape, and you'll have peace of mind.

I agree, 1g looks nicer, but is quite old. Make sure you don't pay very much for it.

 

My family's experience with Mitsubishi is very good. We've had a 1997 Mitsubishi Carisma for years, and despite being involved in several crashes, after repair it has never broken down...at all. Only problem when it comes to servicing are typical maintenance i.e. the windscreen wipers etc.

 

Our 2001 Mercedes A-Class on the other hand has broken down at least twice a year since 2003.

[MoWGLi]

The way I fixed the crankwalk problems in my girls 98' Eclipse GSX was swapping in a 6 bolt. Only way.

 

 

[bananabis]

The way I fixed the crankwalk problems in my girls 98' Eclipse GSX was swapping in a 6 bolt. Only way.

In response to this & Capo's....plenty of 6 bolts have walked. There not bulletproof.

 

I've been trolling thru some Supra forums; they've had issues with CW as well and I've heard it can be correlated to aftermarket clutches. I've read how many users say that keeping it on the stock OEM clutch for as long as possible can prevent crankwalk. Keeping the clutch down at lights is another issue...puts alot of stress on the thrust bearings.

 

There IS a "temporary" solution to the ordeal...it would involve me having to find a lift and check for spec in the crank every oil change or so (2500-3K) and replacing the thrust bearing if it's measured out of spec with a micrometer gadget.

 

Any GSX owners here? Please share your blights/troubles with me...just interested in learning more about this model

[tuff_luv_capo]

 

The way I fixed the crankwalk problems in my girls 98' Eclipse GSX was swapping in a 6 bolt. Only way.

In response to this & Capo's....plenty of 6 bolts have walked. There not bulletproof.

Alright, that's probably the first time I've ever heard anyone say 6 bolts are directly similar to 7 bolts in the crankwalk issue. 6 bolt has better and more oil points on the crank, 7 bolt does not. Making a lot of power, or launching, doesn't affect crankwalk. The vast majority of the CWed cars are stock with stock clutches and old man drivers. Auto tranny cars walk just as frequently. It CAN happen to 6's but 99% of the time, it does not.

 

 

I haven't "trolled through forums" to get my information, and I'd hate to spoil my project on here but I am currently working with a 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, to replace my 350z, so to finally answer your question: Yes, I do own a dsm. A 6-bolt with 130,000 miles that has never been serviced for CW.

 

You are desperately trying to justify getting a 2g aren't you?

Edited July 21, 2008 by Tuff Luv Capo

[bananabis]

 

The way I fixed the crankwalk problems in my girls 98' Eclipse GSX was swapping in a 6 bolt. Only way.

In response to this & Capo's....plenty of 6 bolts have walked. There not bulletproof.

Alright, that's probably the first time I've ever heard anyone say 6 bolts are directly similar to 7 bolts in the crankwalk issue. 6 bolt has better and more oil points on the crank, 7 bolt does not. Making a lot of power, or launching, doesn't affect crankwalk. The vast majority of the CWed cars are stock with stock clutches and old man drivers. Auto tranny cars walk just as frequently. It CAN happen to 6's but 99% of the time, it does not.

 

 

I haven't "trolled through forums" to get my information, and I'd hate to spoil my project on here but I am currently working with a 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, to replace my 350z, so to finally answer your question: Yes, I do own a dsm. A 6-bolt with 130,000 miles that has never been serviced for CW.

 

You are desperately trying to justify getting a 2g aren't you?

Haha, yes. I just can't shake it! Down the road if I can land an internship during my schooling, I'd love to pick one up. Right now I'm happy with my DD, but I'd love one of these babies as a little weekend car to fool around in, and just to learn more about cars and stuff.

 

I also didn't mean to come off sounding like I know cars, believe me I don't. I didn't mean "plenty of six bolts have walked" in terms of how many 7 bolts are effected. The 15% of 2G models that are affected by CW is a pretty SMALL # but it can happen to any 7 bolt at any time if theres play in the crank. It may not have a whole lot to do with the clutch situation I brought up, I've just read that things that the aftermarket clutch plates causing too much pressure can kinda "wack it out" of spec from hard launching, etc etc. The 6 bolt swap IS a tested and true alternative, and granted, the ones that HAVE CW'd probably were pushing high HP #'s (400-500 range?), and with a poor tune or lack of upkeep, results can be deadly.

 

I guess I'll just have to keep browsing VFaq then, I figured a few more people on here were into DSM's and stuff. How's your Z coming along? And any big plans for the 1G? Just keeping it as a fun DD?

 

EDIT: I just noticed that last little line in your sig and got a few chuckles.

[tuff_luv_capo]

The way I fixed the crankwalk problems in my girls 98' Eclipse GSX was swapping in a 6 bolt. Only way.

In response to this & Capo's....plenty of 6 bolts have walked. There not bulletproof.

Alright, that's probably the first time I've ever heard anyone say 6 bolts are directly similar to 7 bolts in the crankwalk issue. 6 bolt has better and more oil points on the crank, 7 bolt does not. Making a lot of power, or launching, doesn't affect crankwalk. The vast majority of the CWed cars are stock with stock clutches and old man drivers. Auto tranny cars walk just as frequently. It CAN happen to 6's but 99% of the time, it does not.

 

 

I haven't "trolled through forums" to get my information, and I'd hate to spoil my project on here but I am currently working with a 1990 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, to replace my 350z, so to finally answer your question: Yes, I do own a dsm. A 6-bolt with 130,000 miles that has never been serviced for CW.

 

You are desperately trying to justify getting a 2g aren't you?

Haha, yes. I just can't shake it! Down the road if I can land an internship during my schooling, I'd love to pick one up. Right now I'm happy with my DD, but I'd love one of these babies as a little weekend car to fool around in, and just to learn more about cars and stuff.

 

I also didn't mean to come off sounding like I know cars, believe me I don't. I didn't mean "plenty of six bolts have walked" in terms of how many 7 bolts are effected. The 15% of 2G models that are affected by CW is a pretty SMALL # but it can happen to any 7 bolt at any time if theres play in the crank. It may not have a whole lot to do with the clutch situation I brought up, I've just read that things that the aftermarket clutch plates causing too much pressure can kinda "wack it out" of spec from hard launching, etc etc. The 6 bolt swap IS a tested and true alternative, and granted, the ones that HAVE CW'd probably were pushing high HP #'s (400-500 range?), and with a poor tune or lack of upkeep, results can be deadly.

 

I guess I'll just have to keep browsing VFaq then, I figured a few more people on here were into DSM's and stuff. How's your Z coming along? And any big plans for the 1G? Just keeping it as a fun DD?

 

EDIT: I just noticed that last little line in your sig and got a few chuckles.

Massive plans for DSM. Z is being sold, totally demodded.

[lurchseesu420]

Massive plans for DSM. Z is being sold, totally demodded.

Sellout.

[bananabis]

Ya srsly? What teh hell?? Why the sudden change? I remember you saying you had an intercooled supercharger setup just waiting to be installed in your room last year...I've got some friends with N/A / relatively stock 350Z's and they say their torque monsters! But of course, they're getting robbed at the pump...that have anything to do with it?

[kevin2006rhs]

I think TLC has been planning on selling to trying to sell the Z for quite a few months now.

[tuff_luv_capo]

I've grown jaded. I had a special order on an Aspen White 2008 STI in February, then this happened, so I got my deposit back. I was putting 11,000 down, but when the deal when bad I put half of that away for a house and used the rest of it to pay down my Z.

 

 

The car is awesome, and I love it, but it hasn't been a perfect experience, and I've always wanted turbo. The Z's can handle turbo, but the engines are brittle and anything over 400whp requires a build, something I don't want to spend $ on right now. So in the lookout for another awd turbo car to replace my disappointment in the STI, I decided on the strong 4g63, and doing what the topic starter here did, I bought what I was told was the best year. I will have pictures soon. It's black on black, and right now is only sporting a turbo-back exhaust and a couple intercooler pipe fabrications, but as with my Z, I have stuff sitting around my room for it. It will be getting a full paintjob, and as is the plan for most of these cars, a bigger turbo, more boost, dyno-tune, and because I never liked quiet: open dumps. There's a lot more to it than that from a technical standpoint but I want this car to be running 11's by Christmas.

 

 

Oh, and if any of you are wondering what it's like to go from a sick ass 350z to driving around in a faded 1990 eclipse; I love it. People actually want to race me.

Edited July 21, 2008 by Tuff Luv Capo

[lurchseesu420]

I've grown jaded. I had a special order on an Aspen White 2008 STI in February, then this happened, so I got my deposit back. I was putting 11,000 down, but when the deal when bad I put half of that away for a house and used the rest of it to pay down my Z.

 

 

The car is awesome, and I love it, but it hasn't been a perfect experience, and I've always wanted turbo. The Z's can handle turbo, but the engines are brittle and anything over 400whp requires a build, something I don't want to spend $ on right now. So in the lookout for another awd turbo car to replace my disappointment in the STI, I decided on the strong 4g63, and doing what the topic starter here did, I bought what I was told was the best year. I will have pictures soon. It's black on black, and right now is only sporting a turbo-back exhaust and a couple intercooler pipe fabrications, but as with my Z, I have stuff sitting around my room for it. It will be getting a full paintjob, and as is the plan for most of these cars, a bigger turbo, more boost, dyno-tune, and because I never liked quiet: open dumps. There's a lot more to it than that from a technical standpoint but I want this car to be running 11's by Christmas.

 

 

Oh, and if any of you are wondering what it's like to go from a sick ass 350z to driving around in a faded 1990 eclipse; I love it. People actually want to race me.

Just be honest. It's because an 18 year old DSM is quicker than a 5 year old Nissan.

[tuff_luv_capo]

I've grown jaded. I had a special order on an Aspen White 2008 STI in February, then this happened, so I got my deposit back. I was putting 11,000 down, but when the deal when bad I put half of that away for a house and used the rest of it to pay down my Z.

 

 

The car is awesome, and I love it, but it hasn't been a perfect experience, and I've always wanted turbo. The Z's can handle turbo, but the engines are brittle and anything over 400whp requires a build, something I don't want to spend $ on right now. So in the lookout for another awd turbo car to replace my disappointment in the STI, I decided on the strong 4g63, and doing what the topic starter here did, I bought what I was told was the best year. I will have pictures soon. It's black on black, and right now is only sporting a turbo-back exhaust and a couple intercooler pipe fabrications, but as with my Z, I have stuff sitting around my room for it. It will be getting a full paintjob, and as is the plan for most of these cars, a bigger turbo, more boost, dyno-tune, and because I never liked quiet: open dumps. There's a lot more to it than that from a technical standpoint but I want this car to be running 11's by Christmas.

 

 

Oh, and if any of you are wondering what it's like to go from a sick ass 350z to driving around in a faded 1990 eclipse; I love it. People actually want to race me.

Just be honest. It's because an 18 year old DSM is quicker than a 5 year old Nissan.

Ha, the first night I had the GSX, stock for stock I raced my friend's G35 and was door to door with him. He immediately started plans to mod his car.

[bananabis]

Nice pickup on the 1G then. I'd seriously consider a 1G, but they are freakin stupid rare in my parts, and the Lasers? I've seen them going for around 7,500 and stuff. Its ridic. It would be cheaper for me to pick up a 2G AWD DSM, and find a donor 1G for the block.

 

I'd say, talking right out of my ass, go 16G and do all the supporting mods. Keep us posted with your progress, I'm very interested in this..

[tuff_luv_capo]

Keep us posted with your progress, I'm very interested in this..

Yea so am I. Already I've spent 1/20th the cost of my Z and work, and I'm almost ahead of it.

[kevin2006rhs]

Thinking about this all over again after reading over the topic, I'd have to say that I would rather buy and tune a Galant VR-4.

 

 

Hell, I even think they look better. But you have to admit, getting a Galant VR-4 is better than a 1G. They have everything that the 1G Eclipse, Talon, and Laser's had but they also had the four wheel steering and the "sleeper" look of a 4-door car working to their benefit. Also, with the drivetrain parts (engine, transaxle, rear differential, rear suspension, ect.) are identical or damn near it. Why buy a car that every boy racer has and every cop wants to pull over when you can have this pretty little thing:

[lurchseesu420]

I couldn't agree more. But aren't VR-4's pretty rare and therefore pricey?

[kevin2006rhs]

Nah...you can get one fairly cheap. But they are pretty damn rare, with only 3000 being made between 1991 and 1992.

[bananabis]

I was just gonna say, where the hell can you find an unmolested VR-4 these days?? Srsly, you guys gotta show me these deals you are finding! Everything in my area is either junked to $hit (not running, parts cars) or are just as highly priced as a semi-decent 2G ($7000+, and I'm not going to spend more than $3K on a 1G...

 

TLC, can you post up some pics of your 1G? Just because I'm so DSM horny, sorry.

[tuff_luv_capo]

I was just gonna say, where the hell can you find an unmolested VR-4 these days?? Srsly, you guys gotta show me these deals you are finding! Everything in my area is either junked to $hit (not running, parts cars) or are just as highly priced as a semi-decent 2G ($7000+, and I'm not going to spend more than $3K on a 1G...

 

TLC, can you post up some pics of your 1G? Just because I'm so DSM horny, sorry.

Sure thing, soon as daylight hits. It's not pretty, though.

[swolo yaggins]

 

I was just gonna say, where the hell can you find an unmolested VR-4 these days?? Srsly, you guys gotta show me these deals you are finding! Everything in my area is either junked to $hit (not running, parts cars) or are just as highly priced as a semi-decent 2G ($7000+, and I'm not going to spend more than $3K on a 1G...

 

TLC, can you post up some pics of your 1G? Just because I'm so DSM horny, sorry.

for rare cars you can't limit yourself to just your area. to succeed you got to broaden your horizons..

http://www.galantvr4.org/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Board=UBB12

 

there aren't many B6 Audi S4 Avant's available with a 6sp manual, which is why I plan on flying to where I have to next spring to pick one up, should the circumstances be in my favor.. just as an example. There are 55 on auto trader across the us, which only a handful are mt's

Edited July 22, 2008 by Desmosedici

[lurchseesu420]

We demand pictures, TLC!

[bananabis]

I was just gonna say, where the hell can you find an unmolested VR-4 these days?? Srsly, you guys gotta show me these deals you are finding! Everything in my area is either junked to $hit (not running, parts cars) or are just as highly priced as a semi-decent 2G ($7000+, and I'm not going to spend more than $3K on a 1G...

 

TLC, can you post up some pics of your 1G? Just because I'm so DSM horny, sorry.

Sure thing, soon as daylight hits. It's not pretty, though.

Thats what a DSM is all about .... sleeper-ness. I still think the 1G's are great looking cars. I just can't find em...

 

@ broading my horizons...yes, I CAN find deals outside of my area, thing is I'm just skeptical at driving to Ohio or something, and it turns out to be a not-running P.O.S. with a mess of wires sticking through the firewall and a half assed job at tuning or something. I'm still looking...I just have to find that "right deal."

 

The mistake I made in buying my current car when I first recieved my license (well, actually I purchased it a bit before I passed my test) was that I never really bothered to "shop around." I had 'ludes in mind, SRT-4's were outrageous in price (being only out for a few years now) and I always wanted a Celica since I "got into" cars in 7th grade. I wanted a red GT-S, couldn't find one; ended up with a silver GT (manual, so it's not TOO bad) and I don't have to worry about filling it with premium. As soon as I started learning about motors and stuff, I realized my mistake. Buyers remorse ftl. I'm sure as hell not going to do something like pick up a 1997 GS-T if I really have my heart set on a 99 GSX. I'm not making that mistake again. I'm going to let the deal "come to me", and if the price is right, DING DING DING DING DING!

[tuff_luv_capo]

I hate this thread hi-jack but...