GTA:IV's map is bigger then SA.

[PhilipO43]

In reading so many topics on LC's map size being about 70% of SA, and even some reviews as well, there is something that many never seem to take into account.

 

The subways running under LC are f'in huge and add for a double layer(of sorts) to the size of LC..when you add the elevated and underground subways.

If you ever run Niko on foot in the subways(and tracks), both below and above, the sheer size of LC, is really a good deal greater then SA.

 

Then if you add in some of the buildings to climb, IV is even larger in scale to SA.

 

If you doubt this, you really need to fully explore LC a bit better.

 

It amazes me how many gamers(and bad reviewers) just look at LC's 2D map and compare it to SA, when you need to look at it from a 3D viewpoint.

Edited July 16, 2008 by PhilipO43

[cimt]

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

[EmmaISsoontobeMVP]

It's SAN with out the wasted space.

 

But the city olny looks bigger because of the graphics and new technology. It takes something small and makes it look alot bigger which is cool. With the new hardware they can take some of the smallest details and make them stand out.

[PhilipO43]

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

^^

Exactly.

 

LC is really so much more sense and detailed, it's not even fare to compare.

 

One more thing, try running/walking Niko from one side of LC to the other, then do the same for CJ is SA.

 

Now, take a guess which one reaches the other side quicker?

[Jackmackg]

you can go untop of buildings in SA and you can swim under water. To me its really hard to know witch map i like more. >_< i kinda miss the mouton.

[Mr. Mcreary]

 

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

^^

Exactly.

 

LC is really so much more sense and detailed, it's not even fare to compare.

 

One more thing, try running/walking Niko from one side of LC to the other, then do the same for CJ is SA.

 

Now, take a guess which one reaches the other side quicker?

Yeah, it really is big. I feel as if I'm in real time NY when I'm on foot. It may not be the exact same size of NY, but Rockstar did a hella good job making you feel as if you are in NY, with it's size.

[Crosby]

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

^^

Exactly.

 

LC is really so much more sense and detailed, it's not even fare to compare.

 

One more thing, try running/walking Niko from one side of LC to the other, then do the same for CJ is SA.

 

Now, take a guess which one reaches the other side quicker?

I don't have SA anymore. Have you timed this?

Sounds interesting.

 

I don't care about size and neither do my whores.

 

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

I'm sorry but you're talking complete bollocks. The subways, oh wow really interesting down there.

No wasted space? unless you consider going to different diners fun then there is just as much wasted

space as San Andreas, in a MUCH smaller map with less to do

[02134]

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

^^

Exactly.

 

LC is really so much more sense and detailed, it's not even fare to compare.

 

One more thing, try running/walking Niko from one side of LC to the other, then do the same for CJ is SA.

 

Now, take a guess which one reaches the other side quicker?

I don't have SA anymore. Have you timed this?

Sounds interesting.

 

I don't care about size and neither do my whores.

GTA IV is made with the RAGE engine with moves you slower, Renderware moved you through San Andreas alot faster then the RAGE does for LC. The only fair comparison would be if there was a mod to put in San Andreas instead of LC, but there's no PC version.

[PhilipO43]

I'm sorry but you're talking complete bollocks. The subways, oh wow really interesting down there.

No wasted space? unless you consider going to different diners fun then there is just as much wasted

space as San Andreas, in a MUCH smaller map with less to do

You don't give up Tony, ha?

 

My point was not what is not down in the subways, but the fact it _is_ being rendered and that must me added into it's total map size.

 

It's LC and not LA/Vegas/SF(GTA:SA), it's a NYC(i lived there for 30yrs, so i know it inside and out) and a Newark NJ ripoff, and you _must_ render the subways, as these a major part of the city.

 

And i won't even get into the lack of detail in SA, because the amount of detail in IV is unmatched this generation, as even the sewers on each street are different.

 

Now i love SA, it's my favoriate game last generation, but to compare a size of a map that uses the same textures over and over, to GTA:IV is purely comical.

[PhilipO43]

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

^^

Exactly.

 

LC is really so much more sense and detailed, it's not even fare to compare.

 

One more thing, try running/walking Niko from one side of LC to the other, then do the same for CJ is SA.

 

Now, take a guess which one reaches the other side quicker?

I don't have SA anymore. Have you timed this?

Sounds interesting.

 

I don't care about size and neither do my whores.

GTA IV is made with the RAGE engine with moves you slower, Renderware moved you through San Andreas alot faster then the RAGE does for LC. The only fair comparison would be if there was a mod to put in San Andreas instead of LC, but there's no PC version.

Actually if you make CJ walk(pc version or Xbox/ps2..i have all three versions) at Niko's speed for just 1/4 of each respective map(diagonal wise), Niko's walk is longer.

 

And that has nothing to do with the subways, of course.

 

[02134]

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

^^

Exactly.

 

LC is really so much more sense and detailed, it's not even fare to compare.

 

One more thing, try running/walking Niko from one side of LC to the other, then do the same for CJ is SA.

 

Now, take a guess which one reaches the other side quicker?

I don't have SA anymore. Have you timed this?

Sounds interesting.

 

I don't care about size and neither do my whores.

GTA IV is made with the RAGE engine with moves you slower, Renderware moved you through San Andreas alot faster then the RAGE does for LC. The only fair comparison would be if there was a mod to put in San Andreas instead of LC, but there's no PC version.

Actually if you make CJ walk(pc version or Xbox/ps2..i have all three versions) at Niko's speed for just 1/4 of each respective map(diagonal wise), Niko's walk is longer.

 

And that has nothing to do with the subways, of course.

It would only be accurate if it were in the same engine.

[Magic_Al]

SA is only bigger in terms of island size because of all the wasted space...

This is very accurate. Liberty City is about the size of Los Santos, San Fierro, and Las Venturas put together, with the all the space of multiple airports used for other things since Liberty City only has one. San Andreas almost filled its map area with land but a lot of it was rural, while Liberty City has a bigger percentage of water.

 

It's good they are very different maps. If they had done GTA IV as a remake of San Andreas instead of a remake of GTA III, it probably wouldn't be any bigger than the old San Andreas because there's only so much stuff Rockstar can build for a game. Doing a whole state to the scale of GTA IV's Liberty City would probably be three times as big as San Andreas and it's hard to imagine how they'd do it.

[nlitement]

And? What's your point? All that space made everything more exciting and made everything feel bigger.

[wayninja]

Agreed, no qualification necessary. SA is bigger.

 

LC may be the size of LS/SF/LV put together but at least those 3 cities each felt distinct. Aside from Star Junction and the disused Funland, 90% of LC is the same.

[TheSamurai Hobo]

How is it "wasted space" if I used pretty much all of it?

 

I LOVED Offroad cop chases.. Backflipping an ATV off the mountain.. I always did random sh*t **THAT I ENJOYED** in this so called "wasted space.. and people say the ones that don't enjoy IV as much have no imagination

[Raptomex]

They have confirmed San Andreas was bigger in size but this is the biggest city in the series.

[mick69]

To the topic starter:

Walk around the entire state of SA and then come back and post.

[Ash_735]

90% of LC is the same.

You must be blind, seriously, you must be blind if you think 90% of the city looks the same. You seriously think the Industrial sector of Alderney looks the same as Hove Beach in Broker? Or that the airport looks the same as Middle Park? Dude, get your eyes tested or get your head out of your arse, still, seriously, 90%, you think it was the same? Boy, no wonder GTA IV is hated by people if they are like you.

[Ash_735]

To the topic starter:

Walk around the entire state of SA and then come back and post.

Here's a better idea, Niko and CJ roughly Swim at the same speed, Niko lasts a little longer at quicker swimming, Dive out into the waters and swim exactly one lap around the map and compare the times, that should give a rough idea of how big they are compared to each other.

[macorules94]

maybe LC is bigger but the cars and buildings and pedestrians are also bigger so therefore it makes it look smaller e

 

 

 

[mkey82]

To the topic starter:

Walk around the entire state of SA and then come back and post.

There was a thread about this not long ago.

 

LC map is 70% of SA size? Yeah, guess why there are no planes (besides the fact the framerate just couldn't handle it)? Because you can fly in a heli from one side of LC to the other in LESS then ONE f*cking minute. Do THAT in SA and compare.

 

To the guy who said LC is almost the same size as NY - what did you smoke/inhale/inject in yourself man? Do you now how ridiculously small is when compared with real life NY?

 

If GTA IV is such a great game why bother lying? I think SA is great game and I never lied about it. In fact I criticized ti for it shortcomings. Those girlfriends were a major pain it the but. Gang wars were tedious, I've been saying this for years, from first time I played the damn game and encountered those features.

[NinjaJones]

I'm sorry but you're talking complete bollocks. The subways, oh wow really interesting down there.

No wasted space? unless you consider going to different diners fun then there is just as much wasted

space as San Andreas, in a MUCH smaller map with less to do

Do you have to come into every thread and whine just because the game didn't live up to your expectations? I mean come on! You're a borderline troll right now! I'm not saying you can't voice your opinion but come on! At least keep it in appropriate topics...

 

How is the subway wasted space? Without it there couldn't be subway trains. What do you want R* to add some little shops and a parking lot down there? The map is slightly smaller in terms of land area but it's not like it's GTAIII size or anything. Besides GTAIV has so much detail that exploring takes alot longer! In terms of city size IV is acutally bigger! Can you please go whine about the game in one of the hundreds of "We hate GTA because ______" topics?

[Tony Mozzarelli 80]

I'm sorry but you're talking complete bollocks. The subways, oh wow really interesting down there.

No wasted space? unless you consider going to different diners fun then there is just as much wasted

space as San Andreas, in a MUCH smaller map with less to do

Do you have to come into every thread and whine just because the game didn't live up to your expectations? I mean come on! You're a borderline troll right now! I'm not saying you can't voice your opinion but come on! At least keep it in appropriate topics...

 

How is the subway wasted space? Without it there couldn't be subway trains. What do you want R* to add some little shops and a parking lot down there? The map is slightly smaller in terms of land area but it's not like it's GTAIII size or anything. Besides GTAIV has so much detail that exploring takes alot longer! In terms of city size IV is acutally bigger! Can you please go whine about the game in one of the hundreds of "We hate GTA because ______" topics?

I'm pretty sure you're aware, that when somebody posts a topic, they are putting it up for discussion.

I disagree with what the OP said, Please tell me, in which topic would it have been more appropriate

for me to have disagreed with the OP of this one? please tell me.

 

And i've heard a lot of fanboy arguments since GTAIV was released, but this one really takes the

award for the most ridiculous. The map is nowhere near as big, subways or not everybody, including

you knows that full well. and i never said the subways were wasted did i?

 

And as for trolling, It's funny how i see you adding your 'opinion' to every GTA disappointment topic,

and i'm a troll? You know what to expect when you click on them, but it's Ok for you to disagree with

them, but not Ok for me to disagree with this? Tell me that's not hypocrisy

[Mr. Mcreary]

To the topic starter:

Walk around the entire state of SA and then come back and post.

So, I'm guessing you've actually went for a walk around San Andreas?

[wayninja]

 

90% of LC is the same.

You must be blind, seriously, you must be blind if you think 90% of the city looks the same. You seriously think the Industrial sector of Alderney looks the same as Hove Beach in Broker? Or that the airport looks the same as Middle Park? Dude, get your eyes tested or get your head out of your arse, still, seriously, 90%, you think it was the same? Boy, no wonder GTA IV is hated by people if they are like you.

Yes, other than the 10% or so you mention, the rest looks relatively the same and has no where near the variation or distinction between cities in SA.

 

If I appear to hate the game because of this, it's an incorrect assumption on your part and your head may need to be pulled from an ass.

 

Oh, and seriously? Are you really seriously so serious all the time? Seriously.

Edited July 17, 2008 by wayninja

[Jackmackg]

if we halft to think about it and make a topic about it they must be close in size. its kinda hard form me to tell but SA seems bigger. its not like VC to SA. you could see the differentes.

[Mr. Mcreary]

someone should like photoshop some maps to see some comparisum

[Oxi Oxi]

They have confirmed San Andreas was bigger in size but this is the biggest city in the series.

Took the words right out of my mouth...

 

...thief.

[wayninja]

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