Digïtál £vîl Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Atheist. I have a friend who says, "I don't really believe in God, but I want to because if I don't I'll go to hell." That's exactly what is wrong with religion. Bullsh*t. I used to be that way. I felt that I would only believe in god and jesus because it was the "safe" thing to do. As in, why not believe in it if it means a guarantee that you won't spend forever in hell. But then I realized just how ridiculous that concept was and made a final decision in what I believed in. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaboobala Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I live by the philosophy that "everything is everything". So, in a sense I both beleive and don't beleive in every religion at the same time. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnyboy Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Atheist. I have a friend who says, "I don't really believe in God, but I want to because if I don't I'll go to hell." That's exactly what is wrong with religion. Bullsh*t. I used to be that way. I felt that I would only believe in god and jesus because it was the "safe" thing to do. As in, why not believe in it if it means a guarantee that you won't spend forever in hell. But then I realized just how ridiculous that concept was and made a final decision in what I believed in. Exactly, I did the same. However I decided that all religions were bullsh*t any way. I would rather just not be labeled as a religion and have to live by that. f*ck it all Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doesntcheatGTA Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Just to let you know, this isn't going to end well . I'd like to consider myself Agnostic. An Agnostic is an Atheist without balls (even though you are a girl). I'm an Atheist, but that is not a religion. Haha. No. An agnostic simply understands that other people might feel the need for some sort of order and ultimate power that is out of their control. While I don't technically believe in god, I am not going to rule out and put down other people's beliefs simply because of that. Everyone is entitled to believe in whatever they want to. You can try to educate them about various facts, but when it comes down to it. You can't change everyone. An agnostic understands this and decides to respect other's ultimate decision in their beliefs. A plain atheist seems to refuse that some people aren't logical enough to see there is no "higher power" and tries to push their belief upon others (e.g. Atheists who try to get the "Pledge of Allegiance" changed or our money changed so it doesnt say "In God we Trust"). As an agnostic, I understand that those pieces which are tied so closely into our history and nation are there more for cultural reasons then religious and I understand that to try to change it simply to comfort myself and validate my own personal beliefs is ridiculously selfish and stupid. I'm sure from my post you can see that I am agnostic. I tend to follow many Christian values and morals as I was raised in a Christian household, but I tend to connect those morals more toward a cultural standpoint then a religious one. I apply them to the idea that using the most common sense, you can see what works best in harmonizing everyone and everything to have the best kind of environment for everyone to live in. And in a lot of ways, some Christian morals do that. Of course.. not all of them though. lol Some morals and rules are just completely ridiculous to follow and have no real common sense base or application in the real world. I just don't need a religion to know morals. I'm a good person because it is the right thing to do, even though I'm an Atheist. I apply cultural values in a cultural sense, and realize that there is no point in tying religion into the mix. I am most definitely not an Agnostic, but do not push my beliefs on anyone just because I'm an Atheist. I do believe in logic but do not believe I need to shove it on other people. It is other people's lack of knowledge and ignorance, not mine. I believe that everyone is an Atheist. A Christian dismisses every other god other than theirs. I just dismiss one more god than them...the Christian "god". Once a Christian understands why they know there can't be a Hindu god or any other god, they will realize why I know there is no Christian god...or any other god for that matter. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
365_days_gone Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 The Bible is God breathed. God wrote what Jesus said. I'm pretty sure the bible was written by man. Sorry to let you down. Yes. But it is GOD BREATHED. God inspired what the people were writing. Basically God wrote it. 'God breathed'... interesting turn of phrase. What about the old testament? Was that the result of a breathy wheeze from the almighty father also? Yes. You think the writers of the Bible had free choice of what to include. Everything in it, God wanted in it. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippers Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Exact same issue that goes on now with Extremist and terrorists. They are still Muslim, however, they have taken a different interpretation of their own religious texts and applied it to their beliefs. I don't get that bit. I asked my mum this question a few days back. Seeing as i havn't read the Qur'an or anything... Where does it say that blowing people up/killing those who don't believe is the right thing to do? That's some serious manipulation of the true meaning to get that interpretation. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digïtál £vîl Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 What I find funny about this topic is the fact the creator asks others what their religion is, yet he refuses to have an open conversation about it. If you aren't Christian like him, you must be wrong and are to blame for various issues and problems throughout history. Talk about being close minded. Which I believe was the entire point of his argument against Atheists. Not at all. Im just having a discussion with someone. Take yourself somewhere else if you cant handle our civil conversation please. I am trying to have a civil conversation here. I merely pointed out a massive flaw in your argument against Atheism. I'd like a rebuttal now or some sort of counter-argument to prove me wrong. That is the point of a having a civil conversation. To provide adequate facts and knowledge so as to help each person to educate the other in some way or another. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runey Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Atheist. I have a friend who says, "I don't really believe in God, but I want to because if I don't I'll go to hell." That's exactly what is wrong with religion. Bullsh*t. I used to be that way. I felt that I would only believe in god and jesus because it was the "safe" thing to do. As in, why not believe in it if it means a guarantee that you won't spend forever in hell. But then I realized just how ridiculous that concept was and made a final decision in what I believed in. I was the same way. Think of it this way. You don't read fictional books and believe Pinocchio or any other character existed, but the Bible should be taken seriously. Religious organizations just want your money, plain and simple. Why do you think churches pass around a collection plate, and you get people like Pat Robertson on TV begging for money? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Girish Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I live by the philosophy that "everything is everything". So, in a sense I both beleive and don't beleive in every religion at the same time. Then I have to say you're pretty confused. You either follow a religion or you don't at all. It's never good to stay confused. Clear up your mind before it's too late. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
makeshyft Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yes. You think the writers of the Bible had free choice of what to include. Everything in it, God wanted in it. Then why did man decide that certain parts would be left out of the 'official' bible? If God had as much to do with writing the damned thing, then all of it should have been considered divine. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land Of Confusion Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I'm a quaker, a variant of Christianity. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
365_days_gone Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yes. You think the writers of the Bible had free choice of what to include. Everything in it, God wanted in it. Then why did man decide that certain parts would be left out of the 'official' bible? If God had as much to do with writing the damned thing, then all of it should have been considered divine. All you need to know is that whatever is in the Bible today, God wanted it in the Bible today. The way the world is in 2008 is exactly how God knew it would be. His plan will fall into place. Just wait and see my friend. May God be with you. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarz Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Conservative. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yes. You think the writers of the Bible had free choice of what to include. Everything in it, God wanted in it. Then why did man decide that certain parts would be left out of the 'official' bible? If God had as much to do with writing the damned thing, then all of it should have been considered divine. Precisely, who is a Christian to decide what laws, or ethics to not follow in The Bible? "Oh we understand this to old and outdated or unnecessary..." or similarly. The Bible was composed to be taken 100% literally and followed to the fullest extent. It's just stupid. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaboobala Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I live by the philosophy that "everything is everything". So, in a sense I both beleive and don't beleive in every religion at the same time. Then I have to say you're pretty confused. You either follow a religion or you don't at all. It's never good to stay confused. Clear up your mind before it's too late. Oh I'm pretty clear on it, thanks. Basically I reached this conclusion after mindf*cking myself with "quantum mechanics for dummies" type books for a few weeks. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runey Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yes. You think the writers of the Bible had free choice of what to include. Everything in it, God wanted in it. Then why did man decide that certain parts would be left out of the 'official' bible? If God had as much to do with writing the damned thing, then all of it should have been considered divine. All you need to know is that whatever is in the Bible today, God wanted it in the Bible today. The way the world is in 2008 is exactly how God knew it would be. His plan will fall into place. Just wait and see my friend. May God be with you. Oh sh*t, If I wanted to read preaching, I'd go to a religious forum. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digïtál £vîl Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Exact same issue that goes on now with Extremist and terrorists. They are still Muslim, however, they have taken a different interpretation of their own religious texts and applied it to their beliefs. I don't get that bit. I asked my mum this question a few days back. Seeing as i havn't read the Qur'an or anything... Where does it say that blowing people up/killing those who don't believe is the right thing to do? That's some serious manipulation of the true meaning to get that interpretation. It is all depending on their interpretation. It is the issue with older holy texts that are left up to interpretation. While it may not actually say to kill people or anything. It may say something along the lines of becoming a martyr for Allah and helping to spread the religious beliefs of Muslims. It again also ties into Organized Religion which usually ends up adding it's own beliefs and agenda to the underlying religion. The leaders of that organized religion plays off of various personal beliefs and morals they believe in and try to connect it to various religious meanings. It eventually leads to a lot of different sects and branches of a single religion. If you look at how organized religion has changed and advanced throughout the years you will be amazed at it. Most every single branch of religion, from Muslims to Christians, have originated from one single form of unorganized religion. What made each and every type of religion different was the personal beliefs and morals that were interpreted by the founders and leaders and applied to existing religion thought. Hell, even with Christianity you have a ton of sub-branches of it. For some people, being Catholic and being Catholic Christian are even a different thing. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saget Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Atheist, even though I was baptised against my will when I was a baby. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
makeshyft Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Yes. You think the writers of the Bible had free choice of what to include. Everything in it, God wanted in it. Then why did man decide that certain parts would be left out of the 'official' bible? If God had as much to do with writing the damned thing, then all of it should have been considered divine. All you need to know is that whatever is in the Bible today, God wanted it in the Bible today. The way the world is in 2008 is exactly how God knew it would be. His plan will fall into place. Just wait and see my friend. May God be with you. Ok, just so I have it clear: Different churches who all believe in the same God and use essentially the same bible, include or discount various books accepted or discounted by other churches. All the books included or discounted were essentially written by God, and the reason they are included or discounted is all just a sneaky plan by God? Makes perfect sense. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I live by the philosophy that "everything is everything". So, in a sense I both beleive and don't beleive in every religion at the same time. Then I have to say you're pretty confused. You either follow a religion or you don't at all. It's never good to stay confused. Clear up your mind before it's too late. Oh I'm pretty clear on it, thanks. Basically I reached this conclusion after mindf*cking myself with "quantum mechanics for dummies" type books for a few weeks. Seen the movie What The Bleep Do We Know? It's nice if you're into quantum physics, I've seen it a few times. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digïtál £vîl Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I'm trying to dig up the timeline image I used to have of various religions but it is proving difficult. However, I did find this interesting and informative animation about the history of various religions in a timeline like manner http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html Check it out. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maleficus Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I live by the philosophy that "everything is everything". So, in a sense I both beleive and don't beleive in every religion at the same time. Then I have to say you're pretty confused. You either follow a religion or you don't at all. It's never good to stay confused. Clear up your mind before it's too late. Oh I'm pretty clear on it, thanks. Basically I reached this conclusion after mindf*cking myself with "quantum mechanics for dummies" type books for a few weeks. Seen the movie What The Bleep Do We Know? It's nice if you're into quantum physics, I've seen it a few times. Aye, that's an excellent film. I still sit and ponder the perceiving of colors every now and then. I was loosely raised as a Christian, however I'm an Agnostic now. I've no problem with religion, but I do have a problem with the sh*t that gets carried out in the name of religions. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I was loosely raised as a Christian, however I'm an Agnostic now. I've no problem with religion, but I do have a problem with the sh*t that gets carried out in the name of religions. Indeed. People often blame religion for wars, when in reality it's mostly used as as a scapegoat to further political ambitions and etcetera. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kippers Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 All you need to know is that whatever is in the Bible today, God wanted it in the Bible today. The way the world is in 2008 is exactly how God knew it would be. His plan will fall into place. Just wait and see my friend. May God be with you. That's just plain rubbish. You can't use 'Becuase God wanted it' as an excuse for everything when it comes to a religious argument (Not just you personally, but the majority of religious folk i've come across) I'll have my head ripped off for this modern day comparison, i'm sure, but it's 4am and i don't feel like backing it up I'll fit in right at home with most religions then I'm not saying some really popular fellow called Jesus (celebrity) didn't exist and that he did have many followers (fans) and there was a book written about him and his life(autobiography) who apparently healed people from all sorts of diseases. But my persoanal view is that it all ended at the cross. There, dead, done, end of story. And what Make said. How can all the different versions of christianity/any other religion believe in the same God, if each one ignores and follows different bits? Surely you should follow everything? You can't ignore something becuase it doesn't fit with the way you want your religion to work. Essentially, you're using God as a reason for your own beliefs. He said soemthing in whatever book, but you don't agree, so you ignore it. Yet something else in another book and it's all a-ok by you, so lets put a tick next to it in the margin. Meh, i jsut don't understand. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Consider this, Jesus Christ travelled around the world (as it was known at the time of around 30CE), performing miracles for all to see. You would think that people would have written about him, historians and scholars of the time. How many recordings were there? None, not one. It's wasn't until around 30-40 years after his death that anyone actually wrote of Jesus Christ, what he said and did. Not one historical record of the 20 or so historians that lived around the Mediterranean at the time... perhaps it was the work of the devil. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
doesntcheatGTA Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 If Jesus walked on water, do you think he could swim? Or did he not have the ability? GOD! Christianity is stupid. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaboobala Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I live by the philosophy that "everything is everything". So, in a sense I both beleive and don't beleive in every religion at the same time. Then I have to say you're pretty confused. You either follow a religion or you don't at all. It's never good to stay confused. Clear up your mind before it's too late. Oh I'm pretty clear on it, thanks. Basically I reached this conclusion after mindf*cking myself with "quantum mechanics for dummies" type books for a few weeks. Seen the movie What The Bleep Do We Know? It's nice if you're into quantum physics, I've seen it a few times. Yea it's pretty good, but it doens't exactly follow my train of thought. I have to see it again though. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy. Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Raised Catholic, agnostic now. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdealer Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) If Jesus walked on water, do you think he could swim? Or did he not have the ability? GOD! Christianity is stupid. of course he could swim and Christianity is not stupid my friend. OT: i'm a born again christian. Edited June 9, 2008 by deathdealer Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tj11 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 It feels pretty nice to be an atheist and not have to bow down to imaginary non-existant beings that you call God. Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm an Atheist. No hypochristians in this household. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/355770-what-religion-are-you/?do=findComment&comment=1058224910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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