Mr. Someguy Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) I think the M4 fits when you are wearing a suit, but if you are in dirty old cloths, the AK looks better. And in real life, the M16 was horrible, but not near as bad as the M14 the army wanted to use. The AK47 and it's Chinese variants were much better. But the modern day M16/M4 is way better than the AK47, despite using a smaller bullet. EDIT: SantiagoDomingo is right, except for the part were he mentioned the world wars. The AK47 was made in 1947, as it's name suggests. The last world war, WW2, ended in 1945, 2 years earlier. Edited June 3, 2008 by Mr. Someguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I think the M4 fits when you are wearing a suit, but if you are in dirty old cloths, the AK looks better. And in real life, the M16 was horrible, but not near as bad as the M14 the army wanted to use. The AK47 and it's Chinese variants were much better. But the modern day M16/M4 is way better than the AK47, despite using a smaller bullet. It wasn't horrible, some parts were exchanged out in use of cheaper ones which corroded and rusted, the soldiers weren't issued the proper cleaning kits. Once the guns were updated to the original designs and the soldiers were issued their cleaning kits it was fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShineyDiscoBalls Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Here is what this site has to say - http://www.gta4.net/weapons/ Assault Rifle - Basis: AK-47 Range: 65 Accuracy: decent Capacity: 30 Reload: 2.1 sec Damage: 30 Rate: 7.5 rnds/sec Even after sixty years, Mikhail Kalashnikov's legendary AK-47 rifle is still a hard act to follow; both in reliability and popularity. Created with mass production in mind, the simple design and loose clearances resulted in a rifle that's practically indestructible, and that will remain functional with little maintenance or cleaning. Carbine Rifle - Basis: M4 Carbine Range: 70 Accuracy: good Capacity: 30 Reload: 2.1 sec Damage: 30 Rate: 7.5 rnds/sec Despite some teething problems with the earlier M16 variant during the Vietnam War, Eugene Stoner's 1958 AR-15 design went on to become one of the most popular and versatile rifles in the world. Given its light weight and compact size, the M4 carbine comes in handy for urban combat and police work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Someguy Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I think the M4 fits when you are wearing a suit, but if you are in dirty old cloths, the AK looks better. And in real life, the M16 was horrible, but not near as bad as the M14 the army wanted to use. The AK47 and it's Chinese variants were much better. But the modern day M16/M4 is way better than the AK47, despite using a smaller bullet. It wasn't horrible, some parts were exchanged out in use of cheaper ones which corroded and rusted, the soldiers weren't issued the proper cleaning kits. Once the guns were updated to the original designs and the soldiers were issued their cleaning kits it was fine. Well no, it was a good gun, just not good for the type of combat it was used in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I think the M4 fits when you are wearing a suit, but if you are in dirty old cloths, the AK looks better. And in real life, the M16 was horrible, but not near as bad as the M14 the army wanted to use. The AK47 and it's Chinese variants were much better. But the modern day M16/M4 is way better than the AK47, despite using a smaller bullet. It wasn't horrible, some parts were exchanged out in use of cheaper ones which corroded and rusted, the soldiers weren't issued the proper cleaning kits. Once the guns were updated to the original designs and the soldiers were issued their cleaning kits it was fine. Well no, it was a good gun, just not good for the type of combat it was used in. Due to the fact that the government didn't issue our troops the correct equipment to go with the guns. The ammo casing wasn't quite waterproof enough, the immense moisture of jungle warfare would cause the bullets to enlarge or become wet and not be able to fire. If the bullet enlarged and you had it in your gun, you now have yourself a jam. This was eventually fixed and the problems went down. Secondly, the soldiers couldn't properly clean their guns with out the proper cleaning kit, which they didn't all have. The AR15 was misconstrued to be a completely self cleaning gun when first introduced, the government read too much into that, Eugene Stoner himself said that the guns need to be cleaned still. It took a few bad years to get all this worked out but in the end it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seriously Smelly Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 play COD4... its much more realistic in terms of "gun shooting" no its not, in cod4 the guns have almost no recoil, GRAW or RS would be a better choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David 741 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 In GTA IV the M4 is much better since it is far more accurate and does like the same damage. In real life I'd prefer an AK47 and same goes for COD4. The AK47 does have much better stopping power in COD4 and real life.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[MenaceMovies] Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I don't know why but I sometimes think of the AK47 as an antique and old fasioned gun and the M16 a much more modern gun. Probably because most common AK47's have wooden stocks and grip which makes it look old, whereas the M4/M16's have a sleek black modern finish. But I think in GTA:IV the M4 is better than the AK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soleil Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Why are we talking about the real life weapons? This should be about how they guns play out in the game. In the game I haven't really noticed differences in range accuracy, etc. Not that I tried to compare either. If anyone knows for certain if one zooms in more (when you click on the right analog stick) or if one is more accurate during continuous fire, or if one does more damage, then please talk about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenops Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Here is a link to a video from the discovery channel that compares m-16's to ak-47's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7.62 hiberNative Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Here is a link to a video from the discovery channel that compares m-16's to ak-47's. american comparison by picatinny arsenal. enough said. they have some valid points, but a lot is glorified, so that's not a good comparison. look how the dude pulls the trigger. the ak47 isn't as accurate as the m16, but not THAT inaccurate, haha also, do a comparison with the current kalashnikov models In the game I haven't really noticed differences in range accuracy, etc. Not that I tried to compare either. If anyone knows for certain if one zooms in more (when you click on the right analog stick) or if one is more accurate during continuous fire, or if one does more damage, then please talk about that. i don't notice much in single player, but in multiplayer the m4 feels more accurate the m4 feels like a lame reskin of the ak47. the rate of fire is pathetic. also, they are mirrored like in counter strike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RONIN1191 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Not me. Besides, as some have said, there's no M16 in the game. I'll take the M4 Carbine...in this application (urban city, CQC more often than not) it is the cat's meow. I don't see anything wrong with the AK, I'm just not a fan of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker249 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Game: M4 Real Life: M4 So, looks like everyone is attributing their personal prefs to what they carry in game. No worries. I just go with accuracy over stopping power since this is all close quarters. 2 shots to the head > 15 shots spraying at a body. I do know that after a few tours in Baghdad and Tikrit, the Iraqi Army and Police are always begging for M4s. They don't like the AK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fnorg Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 It was awesome seeing niko wield that gun! Suits him perfectly. My peeve is that the game sort of forces you to take an m16 instead being "the better gun". I'm constantly choosing between style and substance. any others have this moment too? P.S. In real life AK's are waay better in terms of performance. reliable, efficient and easy to clean. 'nuff said. Actually my friend an AK is the worse off gun compared to the M16. The AK is cheaper and more simple yes. But it does not have good performance compared to the M16. The AK is not accurate whatsoever. Like that's gonna matter in close combat. Try standing thirty feet away from a guy with AK and say "It's not accurate whatsoever". Granted, it's no good when you're gonna be killin' your hostiles from a mile away, but that's what snipers are for. M4s and M16s shouldn't be used for long range fighting (say, 1000 ft. +, but I'm not expert), even they're not that accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 M16 can accurately kill from 1000 yards, AK47 cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiechu Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I'd definetely go for AK. Both in game and in RL. Why? It's powerful, invincible, and quite accurate (not as accurate as M4 of course, but in Counter Strike for example its inaccuracy is much overexaggerated.) It's also my weapon of choice in CoD4, along with AK74u in close combat, and believe me, I'm good in CoD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 I'd definetely go for AK. Both in game and in RL. Why? It's powerful, invincible, and quite accurate (not as accurate as M4 of course, but in Counter Strike for example its inaccuracy is much overexaggerated.) It's also my weapon of choice in CoD4, along with AK74u in close combat, and believe me, I'm good in CoD. It is a very inaccurate gun when you compare it to an M4. I have shot both. I can keep every shot of an M4 on target, the same can't be said about an AK47, the tolerances are too loose for accuracy. It was designed for tens of thousands of Russians to all use and shoot in the same direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisisking Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 M16 can accurately kill from 1000 yards, AK47 cannot. Unless you get a lucky shot? I prefere the M4 both in game and real life although the AK47 is a classic weapon and should be appreciated, but on the other hand most soldiers and killers would probably prefer the M4 for its light weight and high accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimsLookLikeCocaCola Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Ill go with the AK as someone previously stated the Youtube video will show you why the M4 is more accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimsLookLikeCocaCola Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Here is what this site has to say - http://www.gta4.net/weapons/ Assault Rifle - Basis: AK-47 Range: 65 Accuracy: decent Capacity: 30 Reload: 2.1 sec Damage: 30 Rate: 7.5 rnds/sec Even after sixty years, Mikhail Kalashnikov's legendary AK-47 rifle is still a hard act to follow; both in reliability and popularity. Created with mass production in mind, the simple design and loose clearances resulted in a rifle that's practically indestructible, and that will remain functional with little maintenance or cleaning. Carbine Rifle - Basis: M4 Carbine Range: 70 Accuracy: good Capacity: 30 Reload: 2.1 sec Damage: 30 Rate: 7.5 rnds/sec Despite some teething problems with the earlier M16 variant during the Vietnam War, Eugene Stoner's 1958 AR-15 design went on to become one of the most popular and versatile rifles in the world. Given its light weight and compact size, the M4 carbine comes in handy for urban combat and police work. Lol he said stoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RimsLookLikeCocaCola Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Sorry for the double post... well triple now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7.62 hiberNative Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) M16 can accurately kill from 1000 yards, AK47 cannot. erm... that's beyond it's effective area range but ok. Describe the ranges for the M16/A2 Rifle. * Maximum Range - 3,600 meters * Max Effective Range for a Point Target - 550 meters * Max Effective Range for an Area Target - 800 meters 550 meters = 600 yards. just google "m16 effective range" and have fun Edited June 3, 2008 by 7.62 hiberNative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 M16 can accurately kill from 1000 yards, AK47 cannot. erm... that's beyond it's effective area range but ok. Describe the ranges for the M4 Rifle. * Maximum Range - 3,600 meters * Max Effective Range for a Point Target - 500 meters * Max Effective Range for an Area Target - 600 meters http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army...udy-guide.shtml 600 meters = 650 yards. Ahh yes, yards and feet . . . what's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7.62 hiberNative Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 that's not the point. 1000 yards is a fantasy number for accurate fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Huh? Maybe you misunderstood what I meant. I was trying to say that I meant 1000 feet and not 1000 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker249 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 As far as ranges, you'll get around 550m effective on an M16A2 and just over 400m for an M4 (shorter barrel). US military qualifications go from 50m to 300m. "Standard" engagement ranges are normally considered to be 150m. On a side note, the AK is still more reliable and will knock you down due to the bigger round. It's reliable because it was virtually copied from the Nazi StG44. Talk about inaccurate and very heavy (12 pounds), but still it was an awesome grandfather to the current Kalashnikovs. StG44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 As far as ranges, you'll get around 550m effective on an M16A2 and just over 400m for an M4 (shorter barrel). US military qualifications go from 50m to 300m. "Standard" engagement ranges are normally considered to be 150m. On a side note, the AK is still more reliable and will knock you down due to the bigger round. It's reliable because it was virtually copied form the Nazi StG44. Talk about inaccurate and very heavy (12 pounds), but still it was an awesome grandfather to the current Kalashnikovs. StG44 Where did that quote come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker249 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Sorry dude. Brainfarted the wrong button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SantiagoDomingo Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Your brain can fart? Might want to get that looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7.62 hiberNative Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 who measures ballistic range in feet? someone that's not shooting. busted ;P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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